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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
December 06 2012 21:05 GMT
#1761
On December 07 2012 06:02 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 05:58 Lazermonkey wrote:
On December 07 2012 05:24 Keirathi wrote:
On December 07 2012 05:13 Xatalos wrote:
On December 07 2012 02:55 Keirathi wrote:
Argg fuck me. I can't decide if I believe austin or not.

On the one hand, why would scum claim a red check when they had done nothing about ti? Like, if you I was going to fake claim with a red check, I would have at least said it was a red check on someone I had been pushing.

But on the other hand, I still can't get over:

On December 04 2012 05:05 austinmcc wrote:
On December 04 2012 04:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
w/e, RB or not it doesn't really matter.

+ Show Spoiler [dota] +
What DOES matter is that I just went 12-2-27 as invoker and still lost.


This game is like a process of elimination right now. We have established several players as town and basically we just need to kill based on the flips we saw last night. It's that simple, really. I find it odd that BH is not around and talking, but certainly he has time to do so.

Also seeing as sandro agrees with me it probably means shiao is scum lolol (<3 sandro scumhunting abilities)

(1) We all know that WBG raged at his team, went afk in fountain with Exort invoker, and stole all those kills/assists with Suntrike.

(2) I'd like to hear more from you concering folks that aren't ShiaoPi or VE. I got not problem with you sitting back D1, but short of other claims it looks like you or sandro or DYH would be the likely mafia targets tonight. For instance, you wanted to pressure these folks:
On December 02 2012 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
I also think we should be pressuring these players:

MrZentor
Zealos
Dandel Ion
Shiaopi

since they essentially got away with either abstaining or not doing anything all day 1.

I haven't played with MrZ. I know he has a bit of a reputation. I've found him pretty clear and logical this whole game. Does that strike you as odd, or do you have a problem with that? Or does it make you think he's town? Do you still want to pressure him?

Zealos hasn't posted since partway through D1. You brought him up a little in relation to VE, but what do you make of his actual posts. I didn't like them D1 when talking to LazerMonkey, BH found them townie, but you haven't said anything about the actual posts that he did make, which is all we have to go off of.



I can't wrap my head around any possible motivation for that bit about sandro being shot by scum. That REALLY pushes it towards feeling like a fake claim that just forgot something he said earlier.


The problem is (for austinmcc) that there was no other option. WBG is dead, Zealos is dead, DYH is dead, BH is confirmed town. Who else did he push? He casted some suspicion on ShiaoPi early on, but didn't actually pursue that at any point - actually, quite the opposite. He's been soft defending ShiaoPi after the initial suspicion. He hasn't been pushing anyone he could conveniently frame now. So, his only option is to frame some non-confirmed townie he hasn't been pushing so far (Sandroba, Lazermonkey, debears, myself). Considering that there are possibly Mafia on this list, and that I'm a strong townread for several players, Sandroba isn't really a bad/weird pick for austinmcc. Nobody has him as a high townread and he hasn't done *too* much during this game. It's not a bad bet that he could manage to get Sandroba mislynched today - at least easier than someone like myself or especially one of BH/MrZ/Keirathi. I don't see how austinmcc choosing Sandroba as Mafia is unlikely at all.

You're missing the point I was trying to make.

If Austin was scum and wanted to fake claim to get sandro lynched, it would have made infinitely more sense to claim after the day post and say sandro killed DYH night 2.

The problem is that if Austin is town and had a red check yesterday...well pretty much anything else would have made infinitely more sense than what he actually did.

I don't know how to decide if his play was terrible scum or terrible town.
Well, your point is wrong.

There is no fucking way in hell he would get away watching anyone but Marv N1. The fact that you even try to use arguments like this makes me wonder if you actually are town.

You are missing the point. It's not that I would have claimed to watch someone else N1. It's that I could have claimed at the start of D3 to have watched DYH N2, and seen Sandroba kill him.

Nobody is talking about watching other targets N1.
My bad then. But how would you claiming D3 after seeing DYH get killed make you look any better?
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 06 2012 21:08 GMT
#1762
On December 07 2012 06:05 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 06:02 austinmcc wrote:
On December 07 2012 05:58 Lazermonkey wrote:
On December 07 2012 05:24 Keirathi wrote:
On December 07 2012 05:13 Xatalos wrote:
On December 07 2012 02:55 Keirathi wrote:
Argg fuck me. I can't decide if I believe austin or not.

On the one hand, why would scum claim a red check when they had done nothing about ti? Like, if you I was going to fake claim with a red check, I would have at least said it was a red check on someone I had been pushing.

But on the other hand, I still can't get over:

On December 04 2012 05:05 austinmcc wrote:
On December 04 2012 04:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
w/e, RB or not it doesn't really matter.

+ Show Spoiler [dota] +
What DOES matter is that I just went 12-2-27 as invoker and still lost.


This game is like a process of elimination right now. We have established several players as town and basically we just need to kill based on the flips we saw last night. It's that simple, really. I find it odd that BH is not around and talking, but certainly he has time to do so.

Also seeing as sandro agrees with me it probably means shiao is scum lolol (<3 sandro scumhunting abilities)

(1) We all know that WBG raged at his team, went afk in fountain with Exort invoker, and stole all those kills/assists with Suntrike.

(2) I'd like to hear more from you concering folks that aren't ShiaoPi or VE. I got not problem with you sitting back D1, but short of other claims it looks like you or sandro or DYH would be the likely mafia targets tonight. For instance, you wanted to pressure these folks:
On December 02 2012 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
I also think we should be pressuring these players:

MrZentor
Zealos
Dandel Ion
Shiaopi

since they essentially got away with either abstaining or not doing anything all day 1.

I haven't played with MrZ. I know he has a bit of a reputation. I've found him pretty clear and logical this whole game. Does that strike you as odd, or do you have a problem with that? Or does it make you think he's town? Do you still want to pressure him?

Zealos hasn't posted since partway through D1. You brought him up a little in relation to VE, but what do you make of his actual posts. I didn't like them D1 when talking to LazerMonkey, BH found them townie, but you haven't said anything about the actual posts that he did make, which is all we have to go off of.



I can't wrap my head around any possible motivation for that bit about sandro being shot by scum. That REALLY pushes it towards feeling like a fake claim that just forgot something he said earlier.


The problem is (for austinmcc) that there was no other option. WBG is dead, Zealos is dead, DYH is dead, BH is confirmed town. Who else did he push? He casted some suspicion on ShiaoPi early on, but didn't actually pursue that at any point - actually, quite the opposite. He's been soft defending ShiaoPi after the initial suspicion. He hasn't been pushing anyone he could conveniently frame now. So, his only option is to frame some non-confirmed townie he hasn't been pushing so far (Sandroba, Lazermonkey, debears, myself). Considering that there are possibly Mafia on this list, and that I'm a strong townread for several players, Sandroba isn't really a bad/weird pick for austinmcc. Nobody has him as a high townread and he hasn't done *too* much during this game. It's not a bad bet that he could manage to get Sandroba mislynched today - at least easier than someone like myself or especially one of BH/MrZ/Keirathi. I don't see how austinmcc choosing Sandroba as Mafia is unlikely at all.

You're missing the point I was trying to make.

If Austin was scum and wanted to fake claim to get sandro lynched, it would have made infinitely more sense to claim after the day post and say sandro killed DYH night 2.

The problem is that if Austin is town and had a red check yesterday...well pretty much anything else would have made infinitely more sense than what he actually did.

I don't know how to decide if his play was terrible scum or terrible town.
Well, your point is wrong.

There is no fucking way in hell he would get away watching anyone but Marv N1. The fact that you even try to use arguments like this makes me wonder if you actually are town.

You are missing the point. It's not that I would have claimed to watch someone else N1. It's that I could have claimed at the start of D3 to have watched DYH N2, and seen Sandroba kill him.

Nobody is talking about watching other targets N1.
My bad then. But how would you claiming D3 after seeing DYH get killed make you look any better?

Ummmm. Maybe because EVERYONE'S ENTIRE DEAL is that I didn't play D2 like I had a redcheck on Sandroba.

So instead of claiming at the end of N2, when my play makes no sense, I claim at the start of D3 that I saw Sandroba kill DYH N2. Now my actions fit perfectly with what people want me to have done, or one course of action they wish I'd taken, and I don't have a whole day where I try to be cutesy and then pay for it.

If I'm actually scum, I had no reason to be worried about getting killed N2 (or very little?) and so I could have just waited for the start of D3, claimed then, not had this whole issue.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 06 2012 21:11 GMT
#1763
Keirathi, and anyone else who might be interested in checking.

Obs QT in from Looney Lynching also had a small amount of chatter about how I'm a tard. Post 66, marv notes that I "get too caught up in [my] own web." Ta da.
Fe fi fo fum.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
December 06 2012 21:18 GMT
#1764
On December 07 2012 06:01 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Austin, I explained why I think your play is very suboptimal in my post quite clear. And the reason I think your claim would be bad from scum PoV is that there probebly would have been better ways of fake claiming and try to trade 1 on 1 with town, though I haven't really thought too much about it. I think for you to be town your play would have to super duper suboptimal while as scum just slightly. Thus Ockhams razer tells me that you are scum.
Where is the difference? If I'm claiming watcher with a red check on Sandroba, whether real or fake, and I'm behaving in a way that doesn't match up with my claim, why is the town claim less optimal?

You haven't actually said that. You said said it wouldn't be optimal scum play, and gave reasons why it would be bad town play. But you didn't explain why you think one is for some reason less optimal than the other. Why is it slightly bad as scum but super duper bad as town?


Show nested quote +
Regarding Sandroba, no I haven't looked into him. As a matter of fact, I haven't looked into anyone today because I was really busy IRL. Will probebly be able to do that tomorrow. I did have a slight scum read on him, yes. But I didn't feel like pushing his lynch would be very beneficial because my scum reads on other players were much stronger.
You may want to look into the other lynch candidate today before voting. It would probably be a good idea to actually vote based on both of us, no?


Beyond that, what do you think about Xatalos right now?
This should read ''Austin, I explained why I think your TOWN play is very suboptimal in my post quite clear.'' : /. Sorry if that tricked you. I said that you made ALOT of errors in your play town, if you would be town. But the only errors that comes in mind if you are scum is that the timing of the claim is a bit peciliar. But that comes down to WIFOM abit and I also don't know what roles scum have so I don't think it's a very strong point. I cannot be more precise than this tbh.

Yes, and I will, like I said. But the amount of time I'm able to play today is quite limited so I decided to focus on you as I felt his alignment comes naturaly after I was able to decide yours.

My read on Xata is unchanged. I haven't observed him today.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 06 2012 21:19 GMT
#1765
On December 07 2012 06:18 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 06:01 austinmcc wrote:
On December 07 2012 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Austin, I explained why I think your play is very suboptimal in my post quite clear. And the reason I think your claim would be bad from scum PoV is that there probebly would have been better ways of fake claiming and try to trade 1 on 1 with town, though I haven't really thought too much about it. I think for you to be town your play would have to super duper suboptimal while as scum just slightly. Thus Ockhams razer tells me that you are scum.
Where is the difference? If I'm claiming watcher with a red check on Sandroba, whether real or fake, and I'm behaving in a way that doesn't match up with my claim, why is the town claim less optimal?

You haven't actually said that. You said said it wouldn't be optimal scum play, and gave reasons why it would be bad town play. But you didn't explain why you think one is for some reason less optimal than the other. Why is it slightly bad as scum but super duper bad as town?


Regarding Sandroba, no I haven't looked into him. As a matter of fact, I haven't looked into anyone today because I was really busy IRL. Will probebly be able to do that tomorrow. I did have a slight scum read on him, yes. But I didn't feel like pushing his lynch would be very beneficial because my scum reads on other players were much stronger.
You may want to look into the other lynch candidate today before voting. It would probably be a good idea to actually vote based on both of us, no?


Beyond that, what do you think about Xatalos right now?
This should read ''Austin, I explained why I think your TOWN play is very suboptimal in my post quite clear.'' : /. Sorry if that tricked you. I said that you made ALOT of errors in your play town, if you would be town. But the only errors that comes in mind if you are scum is that the timing of the claim is a bit peciliar. But that comes down to WIFOM abit and I also don't know what roles scum have so I don't think it's a very strong point. I cannot be more precise than this tbh.

Yes, and I will, like I said. But the amount of time I'm able to play today is quite limited so I decided to focus on you as I felt his alignment comes naturaly after I was able to decide yours.

My read on Xata is unchanged. I haven't observed him today.

On a scale of 6 ducklings to 14 ducklings, where ducklings are comfortable, how comfortable are you with your vote right now?
Fe fi fo fum.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
December 06 2012 21:20 GMT
#1766
Btw, I'm going to bed now. Will have alot of time tomorrow.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
December 06 2012 21:21 GMT
#1767
Somewhere around 12 and a half duckling I guess?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
December 06 2012 21:22 GMT
#1768
EBWOP: ducklingS

Good night.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 06 2012 21:24 GMT
#1769
On December 07 2012 06:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
Somewhere around 12 and a half duckling I guess?

You monster.
Fe fi fo fum.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 06 2012 21:47 GMT
#1770
hmmmmmmm
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 06 2012 21:49 GMT
#1771
On December 07 2012 06:11 austinmcc wrote:
Keirathi, and anyone else who might be interested in checking.

Obs QT in from Looney Lynching also had a small amount of chatter about how I'm a tard. Post 66, marv notes that I "get too caught up in [my] own web." Ta da.

Trust me, I know you can have your pants-on-head moments. I've talked with marv about it quite a lot.

Your tard moments are generally around setup speculation though. I just can't fathom you actually going FULL retard as town and doing nothing to push a red check. Even for you, that seems too extreme.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 06 2012 22:20 GMT
#1772
Where the fuck is sandro though?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 06 2012 22:30 GMT
#1773
Bleh.

I had a town read on sandro before the claim, and a scum read on austin. Austin's claim makes no sense from either alignment.

##Unvote
##Vote: austinmcc
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 06 2012 22:33 GMT
#1774
I'm here, I just have nothing else to add to this. Seems pretty straight foward -> kill austin.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 06 2012 22:47 GMT
#1775
##Vote: sandroba
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
December 06 2012 23:09 GMT
#1776
One moment here mrZentor let's talk this out
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 06 2012 23:35 GMT
#1777
##Unvote sandroba
##Vote: austinmcc


Ugh, BH, why you so persuasive?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
December 06 2012 23:37 GMT
#1778
huehuehuehue
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 07 2012 00:16 GMT
#1779
Hey hey. BH. Quit being persuasive.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 07 2012 00:22 GMT
#1780
Since you guys are around, could one of you post non-me related logs. Your logs from after BH posted last night?
Fe fi fo fum.
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