EPTBut your conclusion is wrong. Or at least your scumteam is wrong.
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But your conclusion is wrong. Or at least your scumteam is wrong. | ||
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On December 05 2012 09:43 debears wrote: You are very correct about me DYH But we are in a predicament. We are down 3-0 to these scum. Looks like we'll a need a James Bond to emerge from the shadows of darkness and save us from dese scum ![[image loading]](http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02185/bond_2185670b.jpg) And why do I get the feeling that you just activated some ability or claimed something? | ||
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On December 05 2012 09:51 DoYouHas wrote: Please, walk me through your current suspicions. Surely you have it narrowed down a fair bit yourself by now. Will do, give me a moment. Full thoughts won't come until the end of the night, but I've narrowed things down somewhat. | ||
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On December 05 2012 09:51 DoYouHas wrote: Currently, we've got a couple categories of players:Please, walk me through your current suspicions. Surely you have it narrowed down a fair bit yourself by now. Based on abilities: Claimed almost-certainly-town-role-given-that-you-shot-scum: DYH Masons: Keirathi, BH, MrZ Rest of us I don't believe all the masons are town. So I think there's a scum within that group. Keirathi's claim is interesting, because if he were scum, he'd almost certainly (barring multiple factions/SK) know that WBG was, in fact, a mason and was, in fact, town. He also couldn't NOT claim because if WBG returned and said they were masons, we might wonder why Keirathi waited so long. I'm leaning town on him because of his play so far, but leaning is as far as I can go. BH/MrZ then contain a scum or two imo. BH snap counter-claimed keirathi. That's a bad call for scum, because if he knows they're town, we're going to lynch a town mason, and BH is gonna get got. Therefore, BH almost CERTAINLY town. That leaves MrZ, who I'm going to find scum by process of elimination. 4 town masons in a 15-man game with a DT and a claimed vigi? No thanks. Mason is so crazy powerful that scum would have to be STACKED to deal with that, or we'd have multiple factions, or something. We only saw 2 kills, you claimed one-shot. That means either we see multiple kills tonight and have issues with you, or we see one and we know scum isn't crazy stacked --> we don't have 4 town masons. Beyond that, the group is Xatalos, Debears, ShiaoPi, LazerMonkey, you, Sandroba. I mostly trust your claim for now I guess. There's no reason to be pushing you tomorrow, if you made a play with that VE shot and are anything other than town, oh well. For now, best to consider you almost-confirmed, take what we can get, and we'll sort it out later. Not gonna suggest a lynch one of our most likely townies tomorrow when there are other candidates. So now Xatalos, debears, ShiaoPi, LazerMonkey, Sandroba I found Sandroba's sideways defense of WBG odd. But WBG was town. And again, scum with the opportunity to mislynch WBG probably don't let that go. So while he's been kind of absent, I'm reading his defense as real, but wish he'd returned. I'd like to hear more from him, but leaning town. Xatalos, debears, ShiaoPi, LazerMonkey Now is when we start to get into stuff I'd rather talk about later, and not start making people targets right now. Everything above is pretty clear from what I've said in thread, and although WBG's flip changes things slightly (Sandroba looks more town than if he gave an odd defense of a scumbuddy). | ||
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So I could see one of you getting got. Sure, other options, but in a closed setup you guys being semi-confirmed by roles is a pain for scum. I put BH on my personal list in this category too, because of his snap counterclaim on the masons. I really, really hope you guys get most of your thoughts into thread tonight. | ||
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On December 05 2012 10:53 Keirathi wrote: This is true...but would leave you as mafia. Which would leave you as mafia saying you were mafia. @Austin: Don't be stupid. If you believe that BH is a mason, then you have to believe that he wasn't lying about his role PM that said he and MrZ were confirmed town to each other. Because the other alternative is FOUR MASONS IN A 15 PLAYER GAME Yes, his role PM said MrZ was town. The host, however, tells me the setup is closed, not to trust anyone, and that everyone (including BH) is lying scum On November 22 2012 06:53 JingleHell wrote: I don't...I don't think we're in a bastard-modded game though, and so it seems farfetched that the PM itself is a lie.Setup Information This game is a completely closed setup. Trust noone. They're all lying scum. BH, that is absolutely positively the PM that you received? It's odd to me that BH, almost certainly town, received a PM that says MrZ, his mason buddy, was town. But WBG, who was town, had a mason PM that does NOT say his mason buddy is town. Keirathi, do you have logs between you and WBG? I guess you're right, I shouldn't be stupid...and should think that you're more likely than BH or MrZ to be scum? Seriously...FOUR TOWN MASONS? That's silly. | ||
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On December 05 2012 11:01 MrZentor wrote: This is a friggin' understatementI think Austin is getting a little.... PARANOID | ||
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On December 05 2012 11:17 Keirathi wrote: How the fuck to even respond to such pants-on-head retarded theories? Why did I, as scum masoned with WBG, claim the masonry to TRY TO SAVE HIM? Why did I spend so much time during the day defending him if I knew I was scum and that he was town? I could have just AFK'd the day out and let him die, never claimed the Mason, and people would have just been asking who the hell his partner was for the rest of the game. I seriously have no fucking clue what you're thinking here. "Keir has played like he's town. WBG flipped town mason. But Keir might be scum, guys!" As to the bolded part: what if....*GASP*...BH is lying about the PM? Hi there. WBG was a town mason. Apparently masoned with you. You have no way of knowing if he comes back to the game and goes "Don't lynch me bros, I'm a mason with Keirathi." If you does that, you have to confirm ANYWAY. You can't very well say you're not masoned with him if he actually gets lynched, that's information that was GOING to come out into the thread. Like...you're saying "You really think I would have done this, just afk out?" But no, you wouldn't do that as either alignment, because WBG could claim and make you look REALLY suspicious, and you can't be sure he won't come back and do so. You have to claim. The claim doesn't make you town or mafia. Whereas BH COUNTERCLAIMED mason when you did. That tells me he's actually a mason, as he's taking an ENORMOUS risk (himself and zentor) if you guys are actually masoned, because 2 pairs is too much. He doesn't know what WBG is, what you are, but he knows he's a mason and it's fishy that you'd claim. I see his counterclaim as far more indicative of towniness than I see your claiming for WBG. You had to. He didn't, and straight up risked the lives of 2 mafia players if he's not town. | ||
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On December 06 2012 02:06 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay I must admit that I came back to the thread this late, because I fully expected to be lynched by all of your for stupid reasons. Well first off I am pleasantly surprised to be still alive, secondly how the heck was bugs town?!?!?! and finally WTF!!!! is this setup, 4 claimed mason, a dt and a vig. Dunno it is a lot to comprehend at once and I am way too tired to do some critical thinking now. I will look into the whole mason mess more closely tomorrow. Can't figure out what to make of ShiaoPi. If he were scum, then scum was under pressure yesterday to get votes on WBG and we can maybe get something out of that. If he's not scum...come on man. We need more analysis from you regardless, but also you've got a lot of people on you and you don't seem very worried. Pleasantly surprised to be alive...how is that your reaction to nearly being lynched? How is your reaction just "Ok, cool. I'm alive, this is good, wow some interesting stuff sure happened there, be back maybe before the end of night or perhaps just D3." I don't expect LVII(i think that's correct) end-of-game antics from you, but...it would be nice if we had more to work off of with you. You're posting very infrequently, often just to say that you'll be gone some more. That doesn't give us anything to work with, and it starts to look like you're just stalling and trying to keep from getting lynched for another day or so. | ||
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On December 06 2012 06:16 Xatalos wrote: Peculiar.It somehow looks like austinmcc is reluctant to talk about ShiaoPi. He rarely even mentions ShiaoPi, let alone asks him anything or interacts with him. When he does mention ShiaoPi, it's like this post (soft defending him without really committing to anything). I'm reluctant to talk about ShiaoPi and I rarely mention him or ask him anything. Yet you can pull out a couple quotes showing me doing that... Yes, the interaction is odd. I'm trying to figure out someone who just won't post, but who has done so as town and scum both before. Plus, he's someone I usually read based off of his reads, and without more info from him I find it difficult to read him myself. | ||
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On December 06 2012 07:27 Keirathi wrote: We didn't have a QT. We just talked on irc. And you didn't log at all? Copy paste into notepad? | ||
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On December 06 2012 07:37 Keirathi wrote: What benefit does me sharing them give? We've pushed/attacked/defended the same targets, which are the only people we've talked a ton about. I don't see what benefit sharing them would be at this point. I'd like to see what WBG said. I'd like to be able to make up my mind on you. IF you're town, you should be seeing yourself as a possible target tonight, and trying to get information into thread. If you don't share, and scum kills you 20 minutes from now, we just lost those logs. | ||
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I am a watcher. N1 I watched marvellosity. Sandroba, and only Sandroba, visited him. Therefore, Sandroba killed marvellosity. Therefore, Sandroba. If you look at my D2, I ask Sandroba a couple questions, some concerning his reads on ShiaoPi and WBG, especially his defense of WBG. This is one reason I ended up locked in on WBG and not wanting to lynch ShiaoPi, and one reason I've been weird about ShiaoPi. Sandroba dropped a vote and ShiaoPi early and was gone for much of the rest of the day, and defended WBG in this odd manner. In my mind, knowing that Sandroba was scum, it made the choice between the two easy - lynch WBG. I didn't claim because I actually thought WBG was scum, that there was no need to claim to ensure a scum lynch. Now, we've got a bit of uncertainty, so I can do so. We can lynch Sandroba to partially-confirm me if you guys would like, you can lynch me to confirm (not recommended). Tonight I am watching keirathi or BH. Still flipping back and forth between the two (5 minutes until end). Scum, non-sandroba scum, pretty please shoot the guy I'm watching. Right now I'm worried about the power roles in town. Confirmed cop, confirmed 1 mason pair of at least one townie, I'm confirmed watcher to me. That leaves a vigi...maybe? And maybe other masons. For a game in which scum had one KP N1 allegedly. Not buying it. Either DYH is scum or SK or scum has large numbers low KP, something. Otherwise, I've kind of been a bum as I am wont to be when blue, relying on role too much to play the game and not analysis, and also trying to wrap my head around CT mafia. Now that this is in the open, I can go back to playing normally. Slash what an awful end of night/claim post. | ||
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On December 06 2012 08:06 Keirathi wrote: So austin, you had a confirmed scum check and didn't push a sandro lynch AT ALL? AND said this: You had a confirmed scum check but still assumed that sandro would be shot by scum? No deal. ##Vote: austinmcc Yup. I had a confirmed scum check. You KNOW someone is scum, 100%. But town is in an okay spot and doesn't NEED a scum lynch D2 to survive, and you think one of the top lynch candidates looks scum + is being defended by the guy you know is scum + the guy you know is scum is attacking the only other candidate. Do you think it's actually ridiculous to try and milk information out of scum in that situation? I want Sandro to take stances, to give thoughts (you'll note there isn't very much of that beyond the lynch post we all (including me) kind of liked). I'd like to be able to look back after lynching him D3, and maybe finding another scum N2, to be able to try and get some associative juju going. | ||
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On December 06 2012 08:20 Keirathi wrote: Yes, it is ridiculous. If you have a scum check on someone, you push that as hard as you can. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work, and you start looking for associations from the people keeping it from working. You do NOT, under any circumstances, think that that person would be shot by mafia. What's your explanation for that, since you dodged that part of my argument? That part, Senor Keirathi, is absolutely not true? What do you do as a cop or someone with a red check on scum most of the time? You make a case on them, you push them. Heck, that's one way you're supposed to confirm cop claims, look for sudden changes in reads that aren't really explained, but that the guy is suddenly sure of after a night. We all know this, Sandroba knows this. If I'm going to be retarded and sneaky, I can't come out and go "I NOW THINK SANDROBA IS SCUM. BECAUSE...WELL HE HASN'T BEEN POSTING TOO MUCH SO THERE'S NOT MUCH TO GO ON BUT HE'S TOTES SCUM NOW" then, even if I convince town, I out myself completely. I was hoping to be able to get another check off, maybe catch someone else, and hoping to keep a low profile so Sandroba wouldn't suspect anything and would respond. | ||
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