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On December 01 2012 03:52 debears wrote:
See why I asked and wanted to wait? Thanks guys
No...I don't. Because this came up last night.
On November 30 2012 11:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:01 austinmcc wrote:
Dandel is discrediting himself. You say it doesn't make sense from a town perspective. However, it doesn't make any more sense from a scum perspective.
Simply untrue. Scum have plenty to gain by being ignored. Just take a gander in Ver's guide for an example (Misder possibly)
Here's marv mentioning Ver's guide
On November 30 2012 11:22 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:08 marvellosity wrote:On November 30 2012 11:01 austinmcc wrote:
Dandel is discrediting himself. You say it doesn't make sense from a town perspective. However, it doesn't make any more sense from a scum perspective.
Simply untrue. Scum have plenty to gain by being ignored. Just take a gander in Ver's guide for an example (Misder possibly) He's not asking to be ignored. This is the chain in which Dandel Ion speaks: Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 09:15 Dandel Ion wrote:On November 30 2012 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 09:10 DoYouHas wrote:On November 30 2012 09:03 Xatalos wrote:On November 30 2012 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
##vote Xatalos
I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Heheh.. What ever should I do. Clearly I've been found out! Well that is a suspicious way of responding to BH's vote. ##Vote Xatalos Wrong. He is a noob. (no offense) you can't read too much into things like that with him. I'm a noob too, and you already lynched me  So inconsistant He says he's a noob. Discrediting was DoYouHas's word I believe, but I'd argue that (1) There can be benefits to scum in lurking (2) What Dandel Ion did (making a post calling himself a noob) =/= lurking To some extent, calling yourself a noob implies that you're going to sit back and let other people do the heavy lifting. But I don't really attribute any kind of purpose to Dandel Ion's post like that, and I don't think it makes sense for scum to point out newness, because iirc every newbie guide says apologies/hiding behind newness = scum. tl;dr I think there's a difference between lurking/being passive/playing to be ignored and Dandel Ion's post.
Here's me responding, noting the same thing, that newbie guides keep talking about hiding behind newness as a scum trait.
I also have no idea why, if DI's actions didn't make sense as scum, you'd vote him, say he was scummy as shit, and maintain that point of view.
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debears,
thoughts on lazermonkey and shiaopi?
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On December 01 2012 10:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh, LI is interesting reading if anyone is at all interested in my scum-meta...although to this day I attest that I don't have a meta...austin thinks he's got an activity tell on me but that's neither here nor there.
SCUM WON LI BY THE WAY
Wat? I'm assuming I said this in a past game?
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On December 01 2012 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah Mad Men I think. Maybe it was someone else....with a chart and everything.
Not me.
I have a super secret method of reading you.
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On December 02 2012 02:13 marvellosity wrote:
I'm quite suspicious of austin for showing up yesterday to make 2 irrelevant posts then disappearing again. Hum.
austin's not as active as marv would like D1
therefore, austin is ________
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Zealos's posting is poopoo.
Silly one-liners concerning/voting/unvoting DI.
Useless comment that isn't a one-liner.
One-liners concerning debears asking DI about newbie guides
Useless comment that isn't a one-liner explaining what he thinks debears is doing.
I don't think debears is mafia...the end
Followed by:
On December 02 2012 01:48 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 00:58 debears wrote:On December 02 2012 00:53 Ace wrote:
man half of you guys are utter shit at this game. Stop fucking going back to past games and read what the fuck you see HERE. You're shitting up the thread with shit that doesn't even matter. I see him as scummy here for not doing anything. He claims his d1 pattern is saying nothing for most of d1 as defense. I show him that he's wrong How is that not related to this game? Agreed. Looking at what is happening HERE, all I am seeing is an angry Vet making no real contribution to the game.Btw, I had a mad friday, and have been busy most of today, so I won't really have time to add much till the lynch. I will be more involved in the coming days, but until then I'm pretty useless. One thing I have noticed is that Marv seems to be playing differently than how I remember him. I played a scumgame against his Town play, and he was aggressive, asking a ton of questions, and wouldn't rest till he had me killed. This game he seems to be acting much more passively...
On December 02 2012 03:28 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 02:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 02 2012 01:48 Zealos wrote:On December 02 2012 00:58 debears wrote:On December 02 2012 00:53 Ace wrote:
man half of you guys are utter shit at this game. Stop fucking going back to past games and read what the fuck you see HERE. You're shitting up the thread with shit that doesn't even matter. I see him as scummy here for not doing anything. He claims his d1 pattern is saying nothing for most of d1 as defense. I show him that he's wrong How is that not related to this game? Agreed. Looking at what is happening HERE, all I am seeing is an angry Vet making no real contribution to the game. Btw, I had a mad friday, and have been busy most of today, so I won't really have time to add much till the lynch. I will be more involved in the coming days, but until then I'm pretty useless. One thing I have noticed is that Marv seems to be playing differently than how I remember him. I played a scumgame against his Town play, and he was aggressive, asking a ton of questions, and wouldn't rest till he had me killed. This game he seems to be acting much more passively... Why is this? There are plenty of time untill the lynch=alot of time to make reads. Your filter is empty as you yourself point out. But that is not the most alarming IMO. You really haven't been scum hunting at all. You have a few null or slight town reads but most of all you are being extremly wish washy. You say Ace looks like an angry vet with no contribution. Does this make Ace scum do you think? You say marv plays differently, but does that make him scum? You say you don't think Debears is scum, although you provide no analysis. You don't think Xata is scum. What do you think then? ##FoS Zealos
I did give reasoning for debears. Ace I would call scum if he were a different player, but no one seems to be too keen to push him yet, so I'm willing to leave it for now. Plenty of time ≠ plenty of free time till lynch. I am pointing out marv plays differently. Perhaps scum, perhaps a blue trying to protect himself, may just be acting differently for no reason. I am saying what I am thinking and seeing in the thread. I have not outright called anyone scum yet, but I don't feel I have had enough time to read over to decide who deserves the lynch. I would say the earlier stuff with DI and debears was a little dodgy, but equally, it had too much read into it at the time.The current votes on Xata seem to be the best bet for the time being. This is for instance seems a little.. odd... Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 04:16 Xatalos wrote:Well, it's always good to post real content in my eyes. Maybe some of my suspicions faded, but I still don't have a good feeling about you (sorry  ). Something about that post just feels forced... Like it were a tactical move to look better instead of actually having a beneficial effect on the thread. I'm used to blowing things out of proportions though. I'll have to consider my vote a lot more until I can be satisfied with having catched a strongly likely Mafia. The sorry in particular, along with the end of the post strike me as weird. "Hey, I think you might be mafia, really sorry about that. Also, for anyone reading this, I wouldn't listen to me, because I'm probably wrong, but at least I'm contributing right? Right?! I don't really like using meta as an argument, so I'm gonna ignore trying to tie it in to his past games as mafia and/or town, but from what I've read so far, this guy seems the best lynch candidate. ##Vote:Xatalos
The red bits are basically his comments on anyone other than Xatalos. They amount to nothing. If he's busy or doesn't have much time, fine, but when he's chimed in he hasn't added anything.
Got another person or two to post about, then getting to the voting/discussing/whatever
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ShiaoPi's posting is also poopoo.
ShiaoPi and I usually have some sort of psychic bond and read things the same way. But when I look at his posting this game, I don't get the sense that he's puzzling through things, trying to figure the game out. I started writing out some thoughts, but there's nothing super concrete. Just...look at the posts.
On November 30 2012 22:30 ShiaoPi wrote:
Xata marv already said why it is illadvised to share townreads without a good reason. So what is your reason?
None of the mentioned townreads of your are in danger of getting lynched (deadline isnt that soon anyway). Nor have you cut down the number of players to figure out scum. So why do it? Really see no reason to do that. I know you to be a better player than just mindlessly share stuff like that as your contribution.
Questioning Xata results in
On November 30 2012 23:16 ShiaoPi wrote:
I expect sth more thought out. There must have more than just BLs strategy behind it. I expect of xata to be smarter than whathe claims to be.
ShiaoPi expected smarter answers. No conclusion from that though. Doesn't follow up with anything on Xata for the rest of the day.
Then recently he was interested in BH. Questioning BH, looks at DYH for Zentor, comes back with:On December 02 2012 00:54 ShiaoPi wrote:
I looked over DYH's filter and to be honest I think BH to be scummier. Ther are a couple of things that strike me as suspicious, the whole ace is dangerous and xata is noob thing but I also agree with the questions he had for BH. So I want to see some repsonses fom BH right now, unfortunately he seems to be absent...
DYH has "a coulpe of things that strike [ShiaoPi] as suspicious," but BH is scummier.
But whereas he says DYH is "suspicious" for a couple reasons, I'm having trouble figuring out why he finds BH scummier and votes BH. This is the best explanation he gives:On December 02 2012 01:40 ShiaoPi wrote:
I just dont see how BH can be that decisive with that metaread he produced. DP aint that easy to read, I only got him in LVI via elimination and reaction. Especially if you consider BHs read on me in Liquid city which was extremely convincing in comparison to this one. On December 02 2012 01:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
Okay its almost 1am now, i need my sleep. Nobody answere my questions so
##Vote: Blazinghand
I am unsure but seems to me the best bet for now.
Will try to be around for deadline but no guarantees, its much more likely that I will miss it by far. After looking at DYH for Zentor, he has concrete things he didn't like about DYH. But as to BH, his vote, he doesn't see how BH can be so decisive in a meta-read.
Seriously. That's his reasoning and vote as I read it. I'm having trouble finding this to be town ShiaoPi.
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Wanted to say the same thing about DYH's posting, but actually...it's just tunneled in on Xatalos.
Fun fact - since DYH's "hello" post, he has only A SINGLE post that doesn't concern Xatalos, and that's answering a non-xatalos question that was posed directly to him.
I find that remarkably curious, but not scummy? If it continues though, then I find the heavy focus problematic because it gives town nothing to read you off of other than "DYH is that dude who finds Xatalos scummy."
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On December 02 2012 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, that's where I'm at with Zealos too austin, which puts me at a crossroads because Zealos also voted for Xatalos.
:/
MARV COME HERE I WANT YOU
Why exactly are you voting Xatalos?
He's scum hiding inside a tunnel = he's doing nothing but tunneling someone as a way to look active when he's doing nothing?
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For anyone who's particularly concerned about Zealos's vote on Xatalos indicating Zealos is scum...here's my hangup.
WHY WOULD SCUM DROP A VOTE LIKE THAT?
When it comes down to "scumZealos is trying to look like he's not just jumping on board a lynch" and "townZealos is dropping a vote without a good explanation" ... I lean towards the townZealos option. I know that you may want to justify a vote as scum, but...that's not the way to do it.
Right? That's where my head is at right now on Zealos. Without that vote, he's scummy. With that vote, I have more trouble thinking that he's scum.
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UNRELATED TO CURRENT MARV/BUGS DRAMA
DYH. Xatalos has been teleported out of this game. He's gone. The end.
Which remaining player is your biggest scumread? Biggest townread? Biggest "WHAT IS THIS PERSON DOOOOIIIIIIING?" read?
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BH, recent votes. You were voting marv, then DP, then WBG, then "buying what WBG is selling" and back to DP, and are currently still on DP.
There's a lot of interaction between that whole group...marv pushing for DP recently, WBG/marv having a spat, WBG voting and pushing for marv. BH, try and unravel that whole ball of yarn if you would...where are your current thoughts on the entire group of marv/wbg/DP
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On December 02 2012 06:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Austin! You've been posting suspicion on several players now but are yet to cast a vote. Who is, in your opinion, top second etc scum read?
I think Zealos is my top scumread.
##vote: Zealos
Beyond that, I'm worried about...hmmmm. Both you and DP concern me, I don't think both of you are scum, but I can't figure out which is which. Right now, I'm inclined to believe you're scummier between the two. DP had some good points on you, and I was going back and forth with you yesterday because I haven't played with you (I don't think), so I wanted to try and get a better sense of where you were. I came away feeling alright from that exchange, but reading over how some other people viewed it, I think a lot of my good feelings came from the fact that you actually interacted and kept things moving somewhat, and I wasn't paying enough attention to your actual comments on folks.
However, you're not my #2 scumread. That's actually ShiaoPi right now. I don't like typing that out, it seems like someone else should be there, but it's him.
I don't care about reading BH right now, because I think he's useful for town regardless of his alignment. I'm not bothering to really try and solidify reads on some people that aren't relevant to the D1 lynch - Ace, Zentor, DYH. Nobody in the remaining players sticks out to me like Zealos, ShiaoPi, and you do.
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On December 02 2012 06:33 Ace wrote:
So the case on Zealos is inactivity?
As far as I'm concerned, it's what his actual activity has been.
Either one-liners, or posts that look meaty in comparison but actually just durdle around and say nothing.
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Ace, most of your comments D1 have been concerning the vets/folks you've played with (except poking at debears). Have you been primarily concerned with reading them, or does that just happen to be the only thing you're commenting on?
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This post smells. Bad.
On December 02 2012 07:08 DoYouHas wrote:
##Unvote Xatalos
##Vote DarthPunk
I still think we are making a mistake with Xatalos, but I agree with BH that lynching marv is a bad idea. If nothing else, I have an easier time reading marv as the game wears on. I'm a little biased towards Zealos since he is one of the few that agreed with me on Xatalos. That leaves me with DarthPunk as the only viable one to switch to.
DYH do you care who you're voting for? You have been ENTIRELY focused on Xatalos, 100%. Now you pop in, decide that your #1 super duper scumread isn't your vote, you will vote one of two people who are possible lynches. And you choose between them based not on the cases against them, something you find scummy, or ANYTHING like that. You place your vote on DP because.......Zealos voted for Xatalos.
Would you care to say ANYTHING about ANYONE who isn't Xatalos?
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On December 02 2012 07:40 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:39 MrZentor wrote:I want to kill DoYouHas. ##Unvote: Marvellosity ##Vote: DoYouHas I like where you're going but I'd like a bit more explanation.
DYH has done nothing but poke at Xatalos all D1.
DYH drops in right before lynch, changes his vote from the guy he's been tunneling. Does he change it to someone he finds scummy? NO. He picks the two targets that seem most likely to be lynched in the face of marv's cop claim, and says he's choosing among those. He proceeds to choose, not by which person is scummiest, but by whether or not someone voted for Xatalos.
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Mah intentions. I intend to vote for scum.
I'd appreciate someone who got a scum PM claiming, and then I will vote that person. Otherwise, I'll vote Zealos, DYH, ShiaoPi. ShiaoPi does not appear to be happening.
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On December 02 2012 07:47 debears wrote:
Lol.....why is it that after I go off someone and find him null/townie everyone finds him scummy......
I still don't like your reasons early. The reason he's scummy has nothing to do with the stuff you were pointing out.
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