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On December 08 2012 06:51 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 06:49 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 06:48 debears wrote:
actually i'm strongly considering shiaopi
I'm way more certain he's scum over which of sandro/austin is
we get a scum lynch and then put of mylo for two more lynches (right?) We end up back in the same situation. All scum has to do from now on is send sandro to do the kills. Even if I see anything, it's sandro again, and not like that's going to change the information we have. Guys what do you think of that snap reaction by austin? Is that mafia logic or watcher logic?????
It makes sense from both.
In the same vein, you had me paranoid for a moment that this was a mafia attempt to shift things onto ShiaoPi as a mislynch, and avoid the 1 for 1 today, and waste town's time tomorrow because Sandroba would be super apparent as mafia.
I don't think that's what is happening, I much prefer scum ShiaoPi to scum you. But any action can be WIFOMed like that.
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At this point I'm headed home soon, but will be around for the 30 minutes or so before lynch. I'm happy to address any remaining concerns. My bullet points of why I'm town remain the same:
I'm putting work into this cycle, he's not
I'm treating this like the game isn't over/on pause, he's not
He has a history of being lazyscum
I have a history of not crumbing
I have a history of being a tard concerning blue roles
I have found you Lazermonkey, with some decent analysis hopefully
I drew BH a picture
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On December 08 2012 07:17 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 06:54 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 06:51 debears wrote:On December 08 2012 06:49 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 06:48 debears wrote:
actually i'm strongly considering shiaopi
I'm way more certain he's scum over which of sandro/austin is
we get a scum lynch and then put of mylo for two more lynches (right?) We end up back in the same situation. All scum has to do from now on is send sandro to do the kills. Even if I see anything, it's sandro again, and not like that's going to change the information we have. Guys what do you think of that snap reaction by austin? Is that mafia logic or watcher logic????? It makes sense from both. In the same vein, you had me paranoid for a moment that this was a mafia attempt to shift things onto ShiaoPi as a mislynch, and avoid the 1 for 1 today, and waste town's time tomorrow because Sandroba would be super apparent as mafia. I don't think that's what is happening, I much prefer scum ShiaoPi to scum you. But any action can be WIFOMed like that. Lol. You know what I am paranoid about. You and sandro both being scum o.O It would be an epic strategy on your guys' part if you are both scum
It would, but that ain't whassup.
If nothing else:
austinmcc thinks critically, looks townie on D1
austinmcc looks scummy on D2
austinmcc thinks critically, looks townie on D3
One of these things is not like the other, and coincides with the time I was trying to be sneaky. If nothing else, the fact that the rest of the game I've looked like I should ought to give you some comfort that I'm not actually scum. If I'm scum, I just decided to be scummy one day instead of continue doing whatever I do.
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On December 08 2012 07:37 Blazinghand wrote:
##unvote austinmcc
##vote shiaopi
On December 08 2012 06:46 austinmcc wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HcgBJ.jpg)
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH YOU NOW
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On December 08 2012 07:40 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 07:37 Blazinghand wrote:
##unvote austinmcc
##vote shiaopi Don't be dumb. We don't gain anything by voting ShiaoPi today, and then we have to go through this discussion again tomorrow.
If nothing else, this prevents a last minute switch. I don't know why they'd do that, but this gives a cushion stopping a one-man last minute change.
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I am quite pleased with the robin costume.
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RAWR. For realsies, I'm town.
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On December 08 2012 08:07 Xatalos wrote:
I still don't get your Day 2 play Yeah...this seems to be a recurring theme.
I'm pretty happy with ShiaoPi/Lazermonkey, although we've got time to discuss and figger this out.
I'm going to be mostly inactive tonight, because I've put in too much time on this today, have to try and not get mislynched in another game, and have most of tomorrow full.
I'll try and poke around some filters from people that I've been considered town but haven't looked at much (just debears) and then the remaining maybes (Xatalos and Keirathi). I don't foresee any of those people being scum, or at the very least they probably won't look scummy enough compared to ShiaoPi/Lazermonkey.
Still in the back of my head is a VE-style SK who has been saving shots, or something like that, but nothing to be done there except solve that once we finish off scum.
For anyone actually interested in diving into ShiaoPi beyond this game, I think WBG had some good comments on him (someone did) in the obs for a game within LVI, LVII, and Liquid City. I think the comments were in LVII (he was blue) and Liquid City (I think he ended up scum? I quit following). Whatever game he was scum in, there was a nice comparison of how he wasn't just INACTIVE that game, but just wasn't even interacting with thread at all. At least that's what I remember, gonna try and get around to finding that tonight.
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On December 08 2012 08:12 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 08:10 austinmcc wrote:On December 08 2012 08:07 Xatalos wrote:
I still don't get your Day 2 play Yeah...this seems to be a recurring theme. I'm pretty happy with ShiaoPi/Lazermonkey, although we've got time to discuss and figger this out. I'm going to be mostly inactive tonight, because I've put in too much time on this today, have to try and not get mislynched in another game, and have most of tomorrow full. I'll try and poke around some filters from people that I've been considered town but haven't looked at much (just debears) and then the remaining maybes (Xatalos and Keirathi). I don't foresee any of those people being scum, or at the very least they probably won't look scummy enough compared to ShiaoPi/Lazermonkey. Still in the back of my head is a VE-style SK who has been saving shots, or something like that, but nothing to be done there except solve that once we finish off scum. For anyone actually interested in diving into ShiaoPi beyond this game, I think WBG had some good comments on him (someone did) in the obs for a game within LVI, LVII, and Liquid City. I think the comments were in LVII (he was blue) and Liquid City (I think he ended up scum? I quit following). Whatever game he was scum in, there was a nice comparison of how he wasn't just INACTIVE that game, but just wasn't even interacting with thread at all. At least that's what I remember, gonna try and get around to finding that tonight. It's fucking dumb that you used the defense "I've been playing townie so I must be town" for yourself, but you said that I had been playing townie and STILL think I have a chance to be scum. YES IT IS. I don't care.
I didn't figure out exactly what I wanted to say with that until the end of the day though. The townie stuff from me is in part...I played townie D1 and D3. I didn't D2. I said I was trying to do this thing D2. You may not believe it's a good idea, my plan may have been retarded, but there's a very peculiar shift in my play during the time I say I'm doing something different.
That's the more full explanation. It's not just play townie b/c townie. I should have been playing very townie except the time I was retarded. You've been consistently townie....therefore POSSIBLE SCUM.
MWAHAHAHAHA.
Also, I said I didn't think you were. But of course there's a CHANCE.
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On December 08 2012 08:42 Blazinghand wrote:
really though shiaopi was setting up to look good after an austinmcc flip by "opposing" it and doing nothing to stop it. plus all the other reasons he's scum.
he's so scum.
Are you okay with ShiaoPi/Lazermonkey?
Or do you think someone else be red.
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Okay. Too much mafia today. Dear sweet Jesus thank you guys for coming around and not lynching me. If I die tonight, I'm most sure about Lazermonkey being mafia.
He already felt wonky. When some of the wonkiness, the night posting, was asked about, he said that was his usual style. It's not. For realsies (I say for the 90th time today). It's completely out of character with his night posting, and closest to the posting from a game in which he was mafia. You know, the guys we want to lynch. I've yet to see anything from him recently that makes me think he's town, and the way he dropped his vote still STINKS to me. Two candidates, I'm voting you, but nope...haven't gone back to look at the other guy despite saying I would. Then a lot of arguing about that decision.
Blah blah blah. I think I've posted enough, you guys have my thoughts if I die (I probably can't post much more/at all before deadline).
Lazermonkey
ShiaoPi
are most likely. Xatalos was scaring me early in the day, but that faded away. He's worth another look though. debears is the weird outlier who will turn out to be SK or something and rub it in our faces. But he's never felt like he fits the scumteam.
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Lazermonkey,
You haven't been around since lynch. You have anything to say? Anything in your defense? Updated reads in light of sandroba being mafia?
Masonfolk, or at least keirathi, would.be good to get some thoughts down. Bh and mrz have mason chat, if one dies the survivor.can post 2 people of info. But without that luxury, any changes in reads or anything keirathi?
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Just got back in. gg all.
I seem to have been more than a bit jubby this game. For that, I apologize. It'll probably happen again. I'm glad at least that we could turn things around and work things out. <3 all for believing me.
I can see ways in which, had things played out differently, we would have had some paranoia or some bad calls - vigi shot on a townie, especially on a miller mason, would have been interesting. The miller masons as a whole could just throw a wrench into things, especially when a miller flip's PM says his partner is town, and his town partner's PM says the miller was town.
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On December 09 2012 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Heroic shot DYH. Armed.with flip info I was about to look real town.
^
sexy N1 shot.
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Am I the only one who doesn't really care about the case on MrZ?
Our first day was kind of low activity. We had lots of people half lurking. I expect BH to make a half-baked case or two and throw them around to stir things up, and I don't care if the case was on his mason partner. MrZ was never in ANY danger of getting lynched, so why does it matter?
If it were others who had made a case on x and then claimed mason partners with x, I'd be more worried. But I actually didn't find it that weird and I certainly don't think it was playing against wincon. Town just has to lynch scum. There shouldn't be any kind of restriction on who you build cases on.
Take with a grain of salt, given that I tried to pump up the town cred of someone I knew was scum...but still.
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On December 11 2012 01:01 marvellosity wrote:
the issue is that it causes confusion where there doesn't need to be confusion
i was of the mind for a while that town would have to flip BH for how the play went down. Obviously that went away but basically town needlessly complicating stuff for town = not good, is the basic idea.
On December 11 2012 01:02 Blazinghand wrote:
Austinmcc I agree that some of the rage is a bit misdirected, but the case against MrZ did have the effect of weakening my Mason claim a bit, even if perhaps it shouldn't have. As I was re-examining my notes after posting the case initially I remembered he was my mason partner and realized I couldn't push him since we might have to claim at some point and also he might actually get lynched. It certainly wasn't playing against wincon, especially given how it was retracted, but it meant there was a bit of hesitance about believing the mason claim. I imagine if the claim order were reversed (MrZ and me claimed and Kei/WBG counterclaimed) MrZ would have been lynched instead of WBG. That being said, MrZ and I did a good job of defending each other throughout this game and the case was retracted immediately so it wasn't a huge issue.
E: but yeah basically what marv said. there's plenty of people to write questionable meta cases against D1, it's unnecessarily confusing to do it against your mason partner, so barring weird circumstances as a mason you should try to avoid attacking your partner.
I guess I just didnt' feel confused. I'm not advocating it, but ... the mason claim was so instantaneous, so genuine, and backed up with logs the minute they were requested.
There was no way you guys weren't masons. While the case on MrZ didn't fit that, oh well...it wasn't a big enough deal to worry about imo, and I was sitting there suspecting EVERYONE.
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