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On November 20 2012 03:21 kushm4sta wrote: Noooo 3sr he is my friend. Boot the smurph instead. He tried to get into ponies mafia...cancelled. He tried to get into Cold war...never started And now he tries this game and he gets booted. Really unfair imo. He wants to play a big game that's why he's not doing a newbie. As sorry as I feel for your friend, why would he take priority over me? I tried to get into another game on my smurf but it didn't start (LVIII) so while I sympathize with your friend, your reasoning is weaksauce. I even signed up fairly early, so again, why would you try to boot me? I seriously can't think of a reason other than you don't want to play against someone with no meta. | ||
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On November 20 2012 04:50 Foolishness wrote: Could've sworn it was 12,000 BC, not 12,000,000 BC..... It is | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote: random fluff post, Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote: What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong. Scum will have to choose another person or risk showing their hand and causing the event to fail. Town can freely choose themselves since they know they'll only help with the event. Doesn't seem chaotic to me. Why is it seeming chaotic to you? | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Because you're throwing a second layer of wifom into the mix. I'll take the information given by that choice over information given by a leader choosing based on his "reads". Seems pretty simple to me. Do you want information from the choice of one person, or do you want information given from the choices of three people (four, kind of, since you still get information from who the leader chooses)? | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Thanks for the confidence boost... ---------------------------------------------- All this does is show us that you have no confidence in your reads... Also passing the blame if town fails the mission you are leading by saying you didnt pick the party members.. Suspicious behavior You have confident reads this early? I'm taking the decision given to one person and spreading it to four. Leader can say who he's picking and give his reasons why (if he wants to), and then the three chosen can choose who they want on the team and give their reasons why (if they want to) That gives us four times the information. How is this bad? Because you have to put more effort into the game and keep track of what people are doing? | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:35 Acrofales wrote: So you want to be as unaccountable as possible. I want you to explain what USEFUL information you think we can gain from this plan? It gives us more sources of information, but less information about more things. Seems to confuse matters. How do you plan to put this "extra" information to good use? I don't want to be as unaccountable as possible. If you think it's a better idea then why not have it go leader chooses three > three choose 3 others, can't choose themselves. Leader will want to choose people who he has certain reads on, since he will want the event to succeed, and those three will want to choose someone they have a certain read on. We get information from all the choices, and avoid the problem where everyone will just choose themselves. | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:41 marvellosity wrote: i wonder how long we can discuss this infinitely awful idea for. Respond to my modified version? | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote: You are really not making sense Chronicler.. So the leader has to crapshoot 3 people that he thinks will pick town players? This just makes it harder to complete the task successfully. Also, as Prome already pointed out, 1 mafia may cause the party to fail and since 3 people are picking 3 other people, it is more likely that they will pick a scum... So... what if the leader is scum and we do it your guys' way? I even said if I'm not elected I want the person elected to use my way of doing it. I think we have better odds if we spread the party choice amongst more people than if we have it rest with a single person. | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:45 marvellosity wrote: if i'm leader and i choose my strongest 3 townreads, why the fuck do I want people who aren't strong reads on my team? I chose those 3 people for a reason. People will be discussing who should potentially be in any party anyway. No-one is prevented from doing this, so giving them some arbitrary power to choose doesn't add anything. When it comes down to it, you want the 4 people likeliest to be townie in the party. Again, what if the leader is scum.... | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:47 marvellosity wrote: TheChronicler, take a moment, sip a glass of wine, and ponder why every single person who has read your idea has thought it terrible. It's either because you're a genius, transcended on a plane above any of us mere mortals, or your idea is bad. Alright, it's probably just bad. I just wanted to spread it out b/c I don't want to elect a scum person and have them controlling everything. | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:49 marvellosity wrote: then we make sure we don't elect a scum person. can't be that hard to make just one or two very likely town reads, no? ^^ I figured I'd add in a system that got us as much information as possible. I never expected to be elected since I'm on a smurf, but I really wanted my idea to be used because I think there's a good enough chance we don't get a townie elected (I've lynched enough townies d1 not to be overly confident in my d1 reads) | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Did not see the 'when' sorry. Also about the Keir thing with marv. He said that if he did think marv was scum he wouldnt vote him Then he said that he would have to be sure that marv was town to vote him. They are the same in my opinion, Keir has the confidence that he will either have a town or scum read on marv by the end of the day, not a null read I think you're reading that wrong. Think marv is town = will vote Thinks marv is scum = will not vote Unsure of marv = will not vote You're not considering the possibility of #3 in your reasoning. You're saying Keir will have the confidence, but he hasn't said that at all. Following quote sums it up. On November 21 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote: What is there to explain? Both of those things you bolded say the exact same thing :o ------------------------------------------ On November 21 2012 13:32 iamperfection wrote: also by the way i have a town read on Dienosore no nooby scum gonna come in here like that. Is there a reason everyone feels the need to shout their town reads this game? ------------------------------------------- On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too). Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to -identify town -vote town to lead the party -Profit -Kill Mafia/Lavos -More Profit What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD. I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party. Come play the setup speculation game with me please! How about we don't speculate on setup. What is speculating going to do? It's just an opportunity for scum to mislead us when they shouldn't have that opportunity. | ||
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It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go. | ||
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On November 21 2012 14:05 Dienosore wrote: I think it's possible to remain credible and maintain a good sense of playfulness at the same time If only you were doing something to lend yourself credibility other than posting nothing. | ||
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On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote: I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that. Your previous post looks like someone going through a filter trying to force something instead of going through a filter and coming to the conclusion. This post just looks like you backpedaling with a weak excuse. Admit you were wrong, like I did with my plan even though I still think my revised plan is a good idea, and move on. Dragging it out just makes you look bad. 1) Syllo didn't even chose that 2) What does that have to do with anything? No one even suggested a vote for syllo in that quote chain at all. | ||
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On November 22 2012 03:23 Acrofales wrote: I will correct you on this: 1. Polls are a terrible idea in mafia (I have tried to use them myself in my younger more nubby days and they are a terrible idea) 2. Expecting that mafia cannot manipulate a vote (especially an anonymous vote as in the poll system) is exceedingly naive. 3. You are dodging responsibility, because one of the reasons for voting for a leader is so he can be held accountable for his team. If the party fails, then everybody in that party comes under serious suspicion, but the leader most of all: he put a party together with at least one scumster (and probably more, or third parties, or something). Given that town reads are generally easier than scumreads, especially so early in the game, that means the leader either has really bad judgement, someone really fooled the crap out of him, or he is scum. By avoiding this dilemma and putting it up to majority vote, you cannot be held accountable in this manner, thus dodging this use of the party system, which, in the long run may very well be its most powerful use. I agree with your first two points, but I disagree with the third. Simply because he wants more people involved in the decision doesn't mean he doesn't want the responsibility. I'm assuming he's voicing the idea for whoever the leader ends up as. It's very similar to my idea. | ||
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On November 22 2012 03:36 CaveJohnson wrote: He doesn't care to convince people - Thats taking himself out of the running. You clearly don't read the thread Just stop. | ||
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On November 22 2012 04:12 strongandbig wrote: huh like, how random is this? I mean, i can give or take the logic, but did you really need to explain your useless town read right then? In his defense, he was responding to an equally useless question asking for a town read less than a day into the game. Oh wait, that's not a defense. Oh well... | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:34 marvellosity wrote: I prefer truth over deception to keep myself alive How would you have taken any damage anyways? That post by Kira seems nonsensical. | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:40 Djodref wrote: No, I think kush was just being stupid and messed % with current hit points... Alright... And to explain my previous post more, kita how would Marc have taken any damage? Telling people I'm at 100% hp right now doesn't seem harmful in the least. | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:40 marvellosity wrote: lol, hello omguser personally i originally misread the % stuff as just meaning total hp. I quoted you but was talking to Kira. See my most recent post, sorry | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:44 Dienosore wrote: The modkill is actually a big blow to the town. It sounds like his ability would have been perfect to easily destroy lavos. How? Even if he makes it that far without taking any damage Lagos is coming in with 100% hp. Not that there aren't ways to get hp back, I guess. | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:45 marvellosity wrote: you mean kita... On an iPad, don't have access to a computer >.< | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote: TheChronicler, own up. Who are you? Negative, ghost rider. | ||
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Did I miss something? Why did you claim? -------------------- On November 23 2012 02:58 Dienosore wrote: If CaveJohnson is telling the truth (and it feels like he is), then I'm going to have to reevaluate my relationship map. He was catching a lot of flak from a lot of people, so now I'm going to reverse the pipes and see what comes up. It's no surprise he doesn't like marv, but I didn't predict him having any opinion on Djo. My only link between Cave and Djo was a stretch that included a pitstop through possible scum Acro and Kitaman. Why would you explain your "plan" openly for scum to read? Unless you never intended to go through with it... | ||
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On November 23 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote: You are not taking me on missions without me killing you. If I lie I'll lie hopefully we'll catch people from it but apparently you don't understand baits. This feels so weak as justification. | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine. Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? I'm talking about you trying to get votes on marv when sand is trending. I wouldn't even mind if you had done it with some reasoning. | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:09 Oatsmaster wrote: EWBOP: My post was directed at hopeless/clarity/marv. Not chronicler :D Lol, I was like wtf? | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:14 Toadesstern wrote: wat I think I made it fairly clear that I want to lynch Sandroba today with that post. If anything I'm softdefending Marv by saying I'd rather lynch Sandro today lol. but that'd be incredibly far fatched. I'd say I made it fairly clear that I'd like to lynch the both of them if we had a double lynch available. No. To me it looks like you're trying to have a back door for yourself in case a marv push were to appear. You could point to that post and go, "See!" People will decide for themselves, but for ME it's sketchy as hell. | ||
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On November 24 2012 01:52 Acrofales wrote: @Chronicler: I think it's important to clear some stuff up and for that you will have to unsmurf. I am very uncomfortable with you being a smurf, but playing like a noobie. If you are, in fact, a noobie hiding on a smurf (like we had in HRM) for TL reasons, claiming your identity will not suddenly set lights flashing everywhere. However, if you are someone acting as a misguided noobie as some hairbrained scheme, we need to know. Just like I told marv, I won't be unsmurfing. I'm alive and didn't take any damage, don't think I'm playing like a noob at all. | ||
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On November 24 2012 02:28 Acrofales wrote: Okay, so you're not picking the easy way out. Did you have some ulterior motive with your plan, or did you suggest it as a serious idea? The revised edition was my original plan but as I was posting it I got cute. Don't know why, that was bad. Was serious about the revised plan. I still think it was a good idea, but if I'm the only one thinking that it must have been bad. | ||
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1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people" 2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer. 3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility. 4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost? 5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip. | ||
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Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo | ||
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On November 24 2012 05:15 Djodref wrote: I agree with that, you didn't say that people should chose town reads. You said they should chose people on which they have "certain reads on"... Care to expand on that ? When I made the certain reads post it was after it had been said out loud that scum would have to stay with themselves and not pick a replacement. It was important for me not to just say I would pick my town reads and the people I picked pick theirs. I wanted to choose three, have those three choose three, and then have everyone give their reasoning for their picks. Look at how much discussion that would create. So much information. Now what do we have? We have a successful event. We don't even know that everyone sylo picked was town, we don't know sylo is town. We now have an after the fact explanation that these were his town reads. Did he pick three townies bc he's scum and knows who town is so he wants to be successful for that town cred? Is he town and actually picked his town reads? (I think it's this one). Know what this is? Information, and thats great, but it's about one person's choices instead of four. I think we missed out on a lot. I think getting information from the picks of a lot of people is better than one. Yes, it worked out for us but that's results oriented thinking, IMO, which is bad. On November 24 2012 03:42 Djodref wrote: @TheChronicler I think you don't know how to keep your story straight And how is this a change? Again, where's the contradiction? I'm missing it entirely. | ||
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On November 24 2012 05:39 goodkarma wrote: @Z-Boson: Long story short I was starting a writeup on my thoughts on TheChronicler. I was going to state something along the lines of "Making contradictions isn't something that only scum does, and is not inherantly a scumtell." This may still ring true, but I'm going to take a closer look before this is my conclusive answer. He seems to be piling on more stuff that leads me to stop and think, such as his latest quote: Wat? But you can definitely expect from me a more definitive look at whether I think he is scum, and for me to list my top scum suspect tonight. I know my vote right now is on Sandroba, but given my unfamiliarity with his meta I can't really say it's anything other than a pressure vote on a lurker... You can expect it will probably change. I'm sure you were creating a case /s. then you found something you thought you could latch on and simply posted wat hoping people would take that as a case. There is no wat. I've already explained why I wouldn't necessarily have chosen my town reads (or even if I had I wouldn't have said so in thread) | ||
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It doesn't? Why read into it like that? | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:21 Acrofales wrote: Regarding Prom: I have him on my list of people to read and figure out at some point. I definitely don't have a town read on him at the moment, but he is not a high priority either. I am still mainly looking at GK, Kita, Sandro and of course Chronicler. Have you even responded to anything I've said? | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote: You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote: you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChronicler p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me. | ||
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On November 23 2012 22:07 sandroba wrote: I am free to play, I'm posting more than the average person and I've contributed a lot. Mind you that 2 out of the 3 people syllo took with him I was planning on taking. I gave out a town read on syllo very early on. As to your question, obviously, since I am town. He has been paranoid about my alignment a lot of times in the past (of the top of my head merc mini mafia and that huge 80 player game), but normally he reaches the correct conclusion soon enough. On November 24 2012 06:56 Hapahauli wrote: Well I think his campaign-actions are more likely townie than the alternatives. Also, I don't think lynching someone for losing interest on D2, especially over the holidays, is a good idea. I really want to see more from Sandroba before I'd consider lynching him. He says he's free to play. So he's not "losing interest" and it isn't because of the holidays. What more do you want to see from sandroba? | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote: You're suggesting that the scummiest player is the one with the most votes. That's ludicrous and is a terrible way to determine who you want to lynch. I don't think it's an unfair suggestion to say that the person with the most votes is the one who is currently thought of as most scummy. I didn't say he's scum because he has votes. I said he was a good candidate because a lot of people find him scummy and you can therefor lynch him. If your problem is that a Sandro lynch seems too easy then you need to say that. Right now you're misrepresenting what I'm saying and I have to wonder why. | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: My problem with sandro's lynch is that I don't think he is scum. My problem with your reasoning to lynch him is that they aren't centered around him being scum. This is a response to clarity as well. So you guys are saying we should all just vote willy nilly not taking into account who major lynch candidates are? My reason for voting him is that he seems to know too much, in my opinion. I justify further votes on him by saying he's a major lynch candidate. Onto acro. On November 24 2012 07:09 Acrofales wrote: No. Your defense has been erratic, because you are not being logical. You are basically reacting in exactly the opposite way I would expect you to react. I point out a very clear contradiction and you say "there is no contradiction". It's not scummy, it's not townie, it's erratic. If I believe you are honest in not seeing how your behaviour clearly flipflops between two completely different viewpoints, then a lot of the reasons I think you're scum drops away. And THAT is what I am trying to assess by allowing you a chance to give me some meta-information. Anybody have a clue who this guy is? In addressing you directly, not that I believe there is much point, I will explain the two contradictions in my own words, rather than through your quotes. Contradiction 1: - Your plan calls for town reads, the more the merrier. - You tell people you don't want them to share town reads. Reasons for town to do this: their brain is switched off. Reasons for scum to do this: present a plan! It's the townie thing to do. Stop people from sharing town reads! It's an easy way to look like you're contributing without contributing. Easymode scumcruise under the radar. Whoops, I forgot about my plan. Contradiction 2: - Dudes, I have an awesome plan - Okay guys, I am going to vote for Syllo, because he is doing the OPPOSITE of what I wanted, and what I wanted was bad. - Dudes, my plan was always awesome! Reasons for town to do this: their brain is switched off. Reasons for scum to do this: not well thought-out post-hoc rationalization of an easy sheep vote to blend in. Yes, your vote was a sheep. Say all you like that you were an early adopter, but I absolutely disagree: you came in after Marv and his sheeples were already on there. That vote flew COMPLETELY under the radar, thus the very definition of blending. Ok, you're going to say there's a contradiction here, but there isn't. You need to think about the game more. In response to 1. My plan never called for town reads. Again, there is no contradiction here. My plan called for certain reads, and something I think sylo could have done better was to come in after our success and emphasize how not all his picks were his town reads and that he was really suspicious of one of his picks. I don't actually know why he didn't do that. He's now painted a giant target on all of the group. He's acting like the resources of town are infinite. In response to 2. You seem to not understand that someone can place the voices of the many over his own. This is not a contradiction. I think my plan was good, I still think it is. No one else does. As I said earlier, do you want me to continue to harp in the thread posting useless content since no one is going to accept my idea? That's what it looks like you want me to do, and I can't figure out why. | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Closest he came to calling someone scummy was me. Please note that even his townreads lack reasoning. Almost like he knows too much. Shocking... | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:24 Acrofales wrote: Okay. Do you remember any game where you and Sandro were opposite alignments? I'm almost 100% certain Marv or someone else answered this. | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: @ TC Yes. Consolidating is something you do later in the cycle, not early. We still have plenty of time, so if you are town spending your time finding scummy things that haven't been pointed out yet is way better than sheeping onto someone and thinking you've contributed. Almost like when I said Sandro knew too much and eKeir latched onto the end of my post trying to make me look scummy then disappeared. | ||
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On November 24 2012 03:12 marvellosity wrote: Haha. I've literally not been able to help myself considering sand/syllo/kita as some sort of superblock and I know that when I've found one of them scummier I've moved another down as less scummy for no reason. One of the reasons I trusted in my vote in syllo was that sandroba called him definitely townie. Of all the possible alignments of the two of them, the only situation that would be worrying in is a sand/syllo scumteam, which I dismissed internally, for no particularly good reason... yeah. Acro, syllo was town and sandroba was scum in Liar Game mafia, but it was a PM game so take what you will. I am disquieted by syllo's lack of thread presence today, and I want kita to show up and answer for himself. sandroba we just gotta wait for atm. Right here. Sorry about the spam. | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:30 Clarity_nl wrote: You just told me something, I told you you were wrong, and you immediately agree and use my logic to make yourself look good? Its me telling you to read my filter and see that I did go read Sandra's filter and point out why I thought he was scummy. | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:35 Clarity_nl wrote: That's great. So are you agreeing with me that taking other people's vote into consideration early during the cycle is a bad idea? Did you even read what I posted, or did Keir tell you to come into the thread and jump on me? I never said anything about consolidation. What is it with this game? Contradictions that don't exist, misrepresentation galore. All I said was that Sandro was a viable candidate. | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:47 TheChronicler wrote: Ebwop: cute how all my attackers keep going afk. Can't really hold them accountable since I'm gone for long periods of time, too, but it is annoying. | ||
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On November 24 2012 09:44 CaveJohnson wrote: Its ok I've already used that one VE I take it to mean that you used this last night? I'm confused. | ||
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On November 24 2012 10:29 Dienosore wrote: Oh and also some of the lines in the second map are pencil, some are pen. Pencil indicates that they are voting to hang that person. I'll take this opportunity to place my vote on sandroba. Where is toad... I would have really liked seeing his opinion on Sandro before voting. I really only see Sandro as scum if toad is scum, too. | ||
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On November 24 2012 11:09 Toadesstern wrote: sry it's firday (was) and as usually I'm taking the train back to my parents place.. that takes a lot of time and I haven't read a thing because I didn't really want to after that long of a trip, so I played some dota from 9pm my time or something like that... sry I guess, but that's how it is with me every game I'm playing. About the question: I think I made my point on Sandro (and Marv) very clear. You even quoted me when I did that. What do you want me to say more about it? Lol, actively lurking much? | ||
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@djo 1) read my filter, already responded 2) my plan wasn't so much about winning the event as getting the information from for peoples decisions not just one. I think we got lucky winning the first event, and everyone now thinks we made the right decision because if that. But how strong are town/scum reads d1? How easily are they wrong? I've seen enough d1 mislynches to know things are more luck than actual hunting. If you accept that luck p lays a huge factor, then choosing thee people to choose another three won't make a difference for the end result. However, you will get a lot of information from the choices of the three chosen. I'm going home ams on my phone, I know the spelling and formatting is horrible. @zbo You're either scum or don't read actually read filters. I reasoned to acro's accusations. Afaik he still hasn't responded to my response, though. | ||
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On November 24 2012 13:44 Djodref wrote: @TC 1) it's wrong. You have never explained in details how and when you decided that syllo was town. I want you to explain it now and why you didn't to do it. 2) I don't care about what happened for us. Everytime we discussed about your plan, you say something like "what if the party leader was mafia and stuff". I want you to show in which situations your plan would have been useful for town. I want you to expand your thoughts about your plan. I don't care if everyone else thinks it's bad and that we shouldn't clutter the thread an so on. You still think that your plan is good right ? I'm giving you an opportunity to show it to everyone. Probably because I didn't decide he was town. So me saying I chose him bc he was my town read would be wrong. I didn't have a scum read on him, his plan was pretty opposite of mine, and cave had been trying to say he wasn't a viable candidate when he actually was, which made me think he was trying to keep sylo from being town leader with no solid reasoning. Why do that? Hence my vote. My plan was useful regardless of town leaders alignment because it gave us information based on the choices made by the leader and whoever the leader chose. I just gave a situation where it was useful for town. Honestly, I feel like nothing I say will appease you. Why is that? I think you're trying to justify your bad posting earlier. | ||
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On November 24 2012 14:15 Z-BosoN wrote: This makes zero sense to me. Why would he pick three people if not people based on his own town reads? What the hell do you/him mean by "certain reads". What other reads are there when choosing the "team pickers"? Lol, you have to be scum. There's absolutely no way I can see you as town. I sat here for like five minutes trying to find the contradiction, then I realized this was just so much easier to explain if you/acro were scum together. On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote: Really, no contradiction? At all? Really? Two people jumping on the same thing and both being equally wrong? I've given a lot of leeway with reading for this, but I can't find anything in my posts that say I would choose town reads. Why try and make something so easily checked like that up? Something so purposefully misleading only has scum motivation. | ||
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On November 24 2012 14:32 Djodref wrote: @TC 1) So basically, the election of the party leader and the process we should apply to pick up the other party members, it was just a big gamble to you. You based your vote on the fact that CJ was opposed to syllo's candidature. What do you know about CJ and his motivation to do this ? 2) I'm saying that your "give us information" mantra is some bullshit you made up. Give me a concrete example with players and alignments. 1) anyone saying they have a strong read d1 is lying. I made a decision based on small things, yup. 2) I'm leader, I'm town. I select my three scum reads at the time (which is really just near random). Say I choose Keir, die, Marv. Doesn't matter if kier is scum, he now has a choice proposed to him and his choice gives us information. Same for Marv/die. Information is pro-town. Instead we got sylo and his three choices. So we got lucky, woohoo. What information do we have now? Don't lynch into those 4 because theyre more likely town than scum. Awesome. Now what? You're relying on people's night actions to give us information now. Sweet. | ||
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On November 24 2012 14:40 Djodref wrote: @TC Can I ask you what do you think was town main goal yesterday ?
Maybe you thought of another goal. In this case, please explain it to me. Anyway, given the goal you think town should have tried to achieve yesterday, please explain me in details how yor plan was bringing some advantage to your position. Town's main goal yesterday was to get information from as many people as possible and send up a prayer to win the event. Instead we sent up a prayer and won the event. Sweet, we got lucky. Too bad we got the least information possible from the win. | ||
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On November 24 2012 14:46 iamperfection wrote: thats bs though i get very strong reads on day 1 all the time. your just wrong here. You're lucky with your day 1 reads then. It's either horrible scum or pure luck. With nothing to go on and no real interactions no scum should slip up that early. Strongly disagree. | ||
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On November 24 2012 14:48 Z-BosoN wrote: 1) Except I didn't mention a contradiction. I just can't fathom what sort of "reads" you are gonna use if not town reads. refer to point no. 2. 2) You also did not post a single fucking thing on what sort of reads they should be. What other reads could there possibly be for you too chose your candidates? You didn't go into detail on this, and this is something important and supposedly an integral part of your plan. This was an attempt, and the only one I actually found in your filter: But I view this as absurd and vague. How are you gonna choose? What's going to be your thought process? How are you gonna judge what gives more information and what does not? I can't view someone choosing a scum read over a town read in this brilliant plan because it would give "more information". So my question remains: What sort of "reads" are you referring to??. Lol the root quote has you saying On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote: Really, no contradiction? At all? THIS is what a contradiction looks like and this is why posting a lot is pro-town. Scum will trip over themselves eventually. 2) You're right, I didn't. Why should I influence other people's choices? The best information is given by people making choices that haven't been influenced. The "reads" you quoted there at the end is referring to any reads by a single person. We're supposed to trust the reads of a single person who could very well be scum? Sylo isn't even confirmed town and we have Keir in thread saying he's near confirmed scum. What? No, all we know is that he picked a successful team. I think there's equal motivation for scum to succeed as there is to fail it, maybe more to succeed. I don't even know what happens if we fail the event, but it didn't look like anything happened when we won it. Maybe scum knows the results of a win/loss, maybe having a near confirmed leader was more valuable than risking another of their members to force a loss since that narrows the fault to the four people on the team, while success has now given them the chance to put the entire thread under suspicion. I guarantee if we failed the scrutiny would have fallen on the four and we would be lynching one of the four. How is that good for scum? Why am I the only one thinking of this? | ||
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On November 24 2012 14:59 Djodref wrote: I disagree. As scum, I would have come with a bad plan and tried to push for it. Does his plan have any sense from a town perspective ? His plan doesn't help us to assure the event success. His plan doesn't help us to find town players. His plan doesn't really help us to find mafia players. The only thing is plan does is giving us some irrelevant information. His plan was made so he couldn't be elected and so he looked like this bad guy with poor ideas and poor logic. Or he is just a guy with poor ideas and poor logic with one year experience on mafia forums. Not buying it. 1) and sylo's has a higher chance of success how? 2) and sylo's has a higher chance of finding town how? 3) and sylo's has a higher chance of finding scum how? 4) the difference between sylo's plan and mine was that mine exposed more people's decisions than sylo. | ||
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The thing that made me consider marv's post telling me to stop was clarity's post saying we're just getting a second layer of wifom. I disagree, but with multiple people telling me my plan was bad, I stopped. I still think my plan is right, but I'm not going to continue shitting up the thread. I think I've said more than enough about my plan and why I think it was good. I'm done responding to questions about it unless something new is brought up. | ||
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On November 24 2012 16:07 Keirathi wrote: Huh? Are you saying that I'm nearly confirmed as scum, or that I've said that syllo is nearly confirmed scum? Because neither are true. I said syllo was most likely town, but that him choosing me for the party leaves some room for doubt. That's a typo on my part, I meant to say near confirmed town. | ||
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On November 24 2012 19:53 Acrofales wrote: TheChronicler I am glad your thought process is finally becoming clear and I am starting to see why you think there is no contradiction there. Let me go through it with you and see if I understand you this time round. If any point is wrong, please correct it, or if the whole thing is wrong, please say so. We will get to questions and considerations afterwards. 1. You have no confidence in your own D1 scum or town reads. 2a. You extrapolate from that that nobody else can be right in their D1 reads either. 2b. Or you have seen so many D1 mislynches that you conclude town sucks at picking scum and therefore also sucks at picking town. 3. Therefore the best town can do when facing the problem of picking not one, but four town reads on D1 is to choose pretty much at random and pray that we're right. 4. Your plan would probably fail the event (but that is unimportant, because we would probably fail the event anyway, see point 3), but would give us insight into who picked whom and based on what reasoning. We could then use this to scumhunt in the rest of the game. Further considerations are that you would pick your scumreads to give their preferred party member and not town reads. Is this assessment correct? Please also indicate whether you feel 2a or 2b is most accurate, or both are considerations you had in mind? Both 2a and 2b. Someone pointed out earlier that there are cases like crazy claims that almost have to be town, so there is that, but picking someone like Keir to be on the team seems absurd to me. Why not pick someone like Marv (who didn't even run iirc)? I think 4 is worded unfairly, but yes. | ||
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On November 24 2012 21:39 Acrofales wrote: Is not pushing reads a scumtell? Especially if so blatantly obvious about it? I agree. Today, I want to figure out Kita, GK and Prom. I also feel that I am starting to figure out Chronicler, which will allow me to go over his filter again and see if it makes sense as town. I am more cautious. I honestly feel that Toad could also have been the scum in the running. I haven't analyzed his play yet, but Sandro is giving answers that feel right. As stated before, his absense of caring can be explained by him simply going afk at the wrong time. His failure to give constructed reads seems fairly in line with what I know about him in the thread. Syllo seems to be trying to read Sandro as if they are skyping each other, which is simply not the case here. I feel Sandro is not playing any different from the town games I have seen him in, except for a noted drop off in activity. I also think his claim of using "shadow" is indicative of a townie use, but he might be bamboozling us. I realized before he replied that his self-pity could be explained as a townie who is quite unused to getting mislynched feeling himself powerless to convince people (or Syllo) that he's town. Additionally I am a bit suspicious of the way the Sandro wagon formed. It is basically one giant sheep of Syllo, which is way too easy for scum to just hop on with no-to-little reasoning. While I realize this would happen regardless of Sandro's alignment (based only off what Syllo thinks), it doesn't mean I like it. Agree 100%. Really happy we're on the same page for something in this game. | ||
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On November 25 2012 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote: So your current scumreads are Zbo, Toad and Djo. I disagree with all of them. Please make some cases on them. Or my scum reads are sand (who my vote is on and everyone has somehow selectively forgotten), toad by connection, zbo/acro by connection on their contradiction that wasn't a contradiction though acro has backed off at this point, and djo for his claims of reading my filter and trying to force me as a lynch candidate with weak sauce reasoning centered around a plan I abandoned and has continually brought it up when I was fine to let it drop. How many pages were screwed up because I was responding to all of his questions that basically said the same thing? Give a specific case? Why doesn't a general case work for you? You can't be bothered to put names in yourself? | ||
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On November 25 2012 03:12 Acrofales wrote: Okay, moving on. I cannot fathom why you voted Syllo. Please explain it again. From my point of view: you think chance of success at the event is very small. You don't think Syllo can actually read townies, so it's like flipping a coin whether we succeed or not. All you hope to obtain from the event is information and Syllo offers you the least of it. Why vote Syllo, with as reason that CJ is opposed to Syllo. Rather than Hapa, Kita, Toad or Sandroba, who were all giving information about why they were picking their team, which insofar as I understand you, equates to more information. How did the others give more information? Every candidate's thing was "we pick town reads". Who cares if someone's reads are invisible until after event. That has no impact on the information we end up with. Cj's nonsense pushed me to a sylo vote, and that's pretty much it. | ||
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On November 25 2012 03:56 marvellosity wrote: It is somewhat tempting just to kill sandroba simply on the basis that kita is at least trying. Giving yourself a way back onto sandroba? | ||
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On November 25 2012 04:02 Clarity_nl wrote: A lot of people haven't, why does this condemn him but not others? This is not a defense of him, just curious. Helping Marv back off kita. On November 25 2012 04:04 Clarity_nl wrote: No, GK is right. He might get lynched tonight. How? I don't see a major push on him. I see a failed attempt to move the lynch away from sand as we get closer to deadline. | ||
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On November 25 2012 04:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay let me expand on that. I think I am one of the least influential people this game, out of the ones who are active. If someone who IS influential does that though, and we don't get to hear his reads, it'll be a waste. Why do you feel this way? I've been paying attention to you and you were one of my strongest town reads until you just started helping Marv get off his failed case. | ||
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On November 25 2012 04:08 marvellosity wrote: TheChronicler, seriously, what drugs are you on? Are you purposefully being a useless sack of crap? Just curious. Probably just seeing something where there's nothing. Def don't trust clarity anymore. | ||
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On November 25 2012 04:12 marvellosity wrote: All your play. You just snipe at people. You said I wanted outs to back off my kita case, when in the same post I made my kita case I said I would be happy to vote sandro too. If you have something worthwhile to say it, present it, otherwise stop sniping. What else can I do. I'm on a phone. | ||
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On November 25 2012 04:14 kitaman27 wrote: "Failed case"? Do you have knowledge of my alignment? Lol. Failed case = alignment confirmed since when? | ||
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On November 25 2012 04:18 marvellosity wrote: Stop posting until you have coherent thoughts to present. I don't care if you're on the phone, you're not helping anyone or anything. I think I'll keep pointing out possible scum tells as I come across them. If there's nothing there you have nothing to fear. | ||
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On November 25 2012 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Chronicler. Hmm is there a scum reason for doing this? YES THERE IS. Toad was under pressure last cycle, chronicler was also under pressure. So fake a 'dt' check and BAM TOAD IS SCUM Yup. I'm in the business as scum of trading myself for a single townie. Oh wait... Check my filter from this last cycle. There's a reason I wanted toads reaction to a Sandro lynch so bad. Both ran as candidates for leader and didn't win. Figured sylo's alignment would be determined by failure/success. Got lucky. | ||
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A nice quote, but not relevant to me. I didn't start with 200. | ||
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On November 26 2012 05:30 Clarity_nl wrote: How about we speculate about the setup speculation now that grey swooped in and stopped the setup speculation. No. Why is it that whenever I call someone out you're suddenly there to defend them? You know something I don't? I'm not even relating anything to setup speculation. I'm accusing hopeless of attempting to set up a fake claim. | ||
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I'll be posting from my computer soon enough and I'll be able to make actual cases not just take snips at people. I think my results should speak for themselves and how I'm playing this game soon enough. That's all I'll say for now. | ||
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On November 26 2012 07:47 Hassybaby wrote: No seriously, when's the voting supposed to end? In like 24 hours, yeah? | ||
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On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote: Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town. Well that's... interesting. I'm inclined to disagree. | ||
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On November 27 2012 00:54 Djodref wrote: @Acro and marv Sorry for the fail post. Please also understand that I'm pissed off right now. My wording was wrong, sorry for that. I didn't want to sound dumb like that. I really would like us to discuss another method for pressuring them and force them to contribute. This is my main goal here. But I'm seriously going to shoot one of them, and you can ostracize me for this later if you want. So why shouldn't we discuss who has the most chances to flip scum among them ? Hi Risen Anywho, I'm awake and alive, just waiting until we're closer to deadline to post my case. Not a lynch day and there's no need to give scum a reason to change what they're doing, which is why I also dislike this talk of which lurker to shoot. Djo why are you trying to get people's town reads amongst the lurkers? 1) you honestly want input, which would be fine if it wasn't also telling scum who amongst the lurkers who to shoot (don't direct blues) 2) you're scum and want to know who amongst the lurkers to shoot See how both points are bad for town? Do your own scum hunting, post your reasoning for your shot right before deadline, and if you've been honest in your hunting I don't think anyone would actually be mad at you. You shouldn't let the thread sway you in your shot so much. Then again maybe you have a kill shot and want to treat this like a lynch, in which case I think you should just kill Toad. A downside to toad being checked is that on days with near confirmed lynches discussion tends to drop off. | ||
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On November 27 2012 03:08 marvellosity wrote: yes, plus his behaviour + night actions towards me make me pretty sure clarity is town (i understand this is reliant on me being town, but hey) Djodref has been more townie for me today as well, there was something earlier in the cycle that made me specifically think that but i can't remember right now, will dig it up later if necessary. for now, see you all later What did Clarity do to you at night? (If it hasn't been posted don't say) | ||
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1) His vote for himself taking it off sylo. On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der Things and such. I don't get it. Here is his justification. On November 23 2012 07:56 Hopeless1der wrote: I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result What things? He even says his vote doesn't have anything to do with his role. So what things? On November 23 2012 08:01 Hopeless1der wrote: I am not currently aware of any such influence. Next up we have his actions towards Sandro, who we now know was scum. These things might not point to scum otherwise, but with a confirmed flip I think it's telling. On November 23 2012 09:25 Hopeless1der wrote: Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one. My setup exploration was unproductive by the way. Is this a soft defense? Is it a slight accusation? I don't know, in fact it just looks like a bunch of nothing. If you still need to read Sandroba why do you feel the need to point out Looney Lynching mafia? And the ever famous scum pushing something off line, "I'm going to go look into that one" regarding his interactions with Sylo. Did he come back and talk about what he found? No. On November 23 2012 09:36 Hopeless1der wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote: The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Having played only a couple games with Toad, I'm not all that familiar with HypnoToad. Is that kind of what you're talking about Z-Bo? Can you link a couple town games that you think he isnt living up to? And this piece of work. This one actually is near null for me, but what does it accomplish? Was zbo not descriptive enough when he said he was disturbed by Toad's lack of posting? This is a post that once again, does nothing. Null on its own, but when taken in the context of this post... On November 23 2012 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote: EBWOP: he was an assassin, not SK but anyways So you have the knowledge of Toad's actual role name in a game but don't know what zbo is talking about when referencing him? On November 23 2012 10:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Oats, you're lucky I have no new info to speculate with, or I'd derail the shit out of things with setup speculation. So... we're lucky you didn't have anything else to shit up the thread with, so you're just going to fill it with more nothing. That makes sense. Onto his defense of sand... On November 24 2012 00:49 Hopeless1der wrote: I've read through sand's filter and I'm not content to lynch him today. I would like to see him scumhunt, but he called half the party early in the day 'When the time comes' would most likely have been when he was close to being elected leader. However, his activity dropped and we shifted to syllo. On this, I feel syllo is best suited to legitimately make the case against sandroba today, but given that we wanted a town-party, I don't find his reluctance to give reads that scummy. I don't see big mafia motive behind sand's actions thus far. His proposed party is consistent: kush ended up dying and we didn't hear much more from sand on the topic, but the fact remains, he picked 2 members of the party quite early. This was the only post that jumped out at me as completely useless filler reading through his filter. It doesn't really do anything to further a read, and doesn't really think through the likelyhood of kush dying. It'll stick in the back of my mind, but I don't want to lynch over 1 trivial post and a lack of activity. I need to go find someone I do want to lynch. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but calling half of the party that gets taken shouldn't really be an accomplishment when there's a possibilty that he's going to flip scum. Why didn't hopeless consider this possibility? And WE shifted to sylo? Sure you jumped on him, but then (referencing him earlier) you jumped right back off. Again, why? You never really said. This post isn't even a very convincing defense. And you need to find someone you do want to lynch? Sweet, who's it gonna be? After not finding sandroba a good lynch target I'm going to assume it takes a lot for you to lynch someone... On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote: you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChronicler p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. Oh... I guess it doesn't. I guess all it takes is for you to "misunderstand" a post. The REAL telling thing here is the bolded. Where was it? It never happened. You never actually made a case against me. And then we're back to more of the same... On November 24 2012 11:45 Hopeless1der wrote: I still don't know if I buy this though. Seems like he used more than 1 ability last night. These abilities are from the original invoker from the Warcraft Dota. Super old, and quite frankly its retarded that draz fails to explain this better. Is this for real? You quoted actual invoker abilities as if they'd be relevant to this game? This post is worse than filler, it's actively trying to get the trhead to talk about something irrelevant. I'm not going to quote today, because I'm probably being too biased at this point. Today you've decided to try and place a vote on Toad to keep him from taking damage under some sort of far off possibility. So you're saying you're going to potentially SAVE someone who would otherwise take 500 dmg, and has two red checks?!? I don't know about you, but I couldn't take a 500 dmg hit right now. Why were you trying to save him? His death means we get a real lynch tomorrow. Oh and there's this... On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote: you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Why are you trying to cast doubt on acro? Trying to get him lynched? Could it be because... Day 2 actions 200 gold Popcorn You target 2 players. you will be told if they are the same alignment or different alignments. Day 2 results: hopeless1der and acrofales, different. | ||
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Also, it would appear that my ability for last night was... ineffective. I'm also broke as fuck and took 50dmg last night. | ||
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If it's just party lead we select a party lead from the winning team and we should have 4/4 team that has already won us an event, right? It's just 1/2 of the previous team, and we can take people from the original team as well. How can we lose? | ||
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On November 27 2012 09:22 Promethelax wrote: the party leader gets the reward (from what Syllo said). Do you think that taking Kier makes sense? We've, presumably, had bonuses every day because of Frog/Robo but would not have those in the end of time. I don't think it really matters. I don't think there's scum in the team of sylo, Kier, Die, Oats. ##vote: Syllogism Just win every event and only bring in other people if scum kills those on the teams off. Don't think this is a difficult decision at all. We have what, 6 people? Only 4 able to go at a time. So scum would HAVE to kill someone NOT on the team between today and our next event. If they don't we have another team of 4 np. If they do kill someone off and we eventually need to bring someone in we can use the event as a way to confirm people as town and to scumhunt as an aside (I suggest we go for wins and if it turns out someone we bring onto the team causes us to fail we lynch them and we know they're the scum) I'm assuming scum aren't in our current pool of 6 people. | ||
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On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote: TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town. No. Winning the event is more important than your "proving" you're town. This reads as scum trying to get on the team to make us fail the event as a last ditch effort. We don't even have a lynch today, and Toad would be the lynch over you regardless. Acro could easily have been bussing Toad after seeing my check. I STILL can't wrap my head around why he would claim in thread. What scum would do something like that, though? | ||
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Keir, Dei, Oats, Syllo, Clarity Best leaders would be Keir, Dei, or Clarity since they don't have rewards yet. | ||
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Keir, does your role have anything special when you're leader? Don't answer this. Clarity hasn't claimed anything to do with being a party member. I think Keir should be our leader because it's possible he gets something out of it. We won day 1, just use the same team. | ||
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On November 27 2012 09:47 goodkarma wrote: So let's say (hypothetically) bringing you night one took us from 100% to 70% success rate, but you succeeded. But it could have been something like from 100% success rate to 10% to but you succeeded. Same outcome, but very different likelihoods of success... We can continue to speculate on this, but it just doesn't make sense to me why we should bring you today since we don't know that we'll have the same outcome this time around as last time with you in the party. If we don't bring him today we're just going to be bringing him next time when we have to bring in someone who hasn't been a part of the teams. We want the highest modifier we can get when that happens. | ||
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Party should be Keir, Dei, Syllo, Clarity | ||
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On November 27 2012 10:00 Keirathi wrote: Technically we can still bring any of the 5. Oats just can't be party leader. Look at the update from mods last page On November 27 2012 09:54 Mementoss wrote: Clarification, since Marvellosity died, half the party would be 1.5/3. There are no half people in this game. So technically only 1/3 of the remaining alive party can be taken for this party. That is all. | ||
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On November 27 2012 10:00 Acrofales wrote: No. Can't take Dino and Clarity both. Keir, Syllo, Dieno/Clarity and either Djodref or Chronicler would be my choice. Oh shit you're right. Then I want to be party leader. If the reward is gold I could desperately use some. | ||
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200 gold Popcorn | ||
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How is this difficult to understand? The ability costs 200g. I didn't start with infinite gold. I have not received any gold since the start of the game. | ||
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On November 27 2012 10:10 Dienosore wrote: Alright guys, I'm going to run for group leader again unless it's obviously clear I should vote for someone else. I was healed last night, so I'm not really that scared of dying anymore. Here is my proposed group: Oats/Syllo/Keirathi Unless I missed something, we are still in 2300ad, so Robo(oats) will probably continue to be beneficial to the party. Syllo is a shoo-in based on his performances d1/d2. Keirathi has expressed his desire to be in the group so he may use his abilities and was cleared on d1 group. Any objections? Suggestions? You can't use Oats. | ||
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On November 27 2012 10:17 iamperfection wrote: Oh clarity would be a great pick to i think for party. You feel up for it clarity? How you feel better? Why clarity over Keir, please read my posts on the matter. | ||
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100 gold Funnel cake You target a player. Places a 100 damage shield on target player (stays on them). You take 100 damage. Night Results You used Funnel cake! You took 150 damage! | ||
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On November 27 2012 10:57 Hapahauli wrote: Will players who did not vote get modkilled and/or replaced (like VE)? He did vote, he also posted. | ||
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On November 27 2012 10:58 Promethelax wrote: so, you bodygaurded someone for 100 hp and that means you should be on the team? also you do know that it is against the rules to quote any pm you get from the hosts right? Don't do that. No, I shouldn't be leader because I took 150 damage and we want people with high hp to be the ones with the rewards. I feel I should be on the team for previously stated reasons. I should have worded that better. I didn't quote it I copy pasted, but whatever. | ||
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On November 28 2012 01:31 Acrofales wrote: Shit. You people, can't you keep your conclusions about survivors to yourselves? Seeing as the cat's pretty much out of the bag, I confirm I'm 3rd party. My wincon is to survive and do some stuff that I am not telling anybody about. I promise that the extra stuff is in town's best interest. Not saying anything more, because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me. Otherwise Drazerk's solution to playing a survivor will always work: claim D1 and go AFK (or in this case, claim D1 and help town to figure out how to fulfill the other part of my wincon, THEN go AFK). This is also immediately the reason I don't want to be on a party. I asked Greymist whether my influence counts with town or scum, or whether I could choose. He told me that I cannot choose and that he's not saying what my influence counts as. I have no way of knowing my hidden influence factor. So.. no. There is no contradiction between my not wanting to be on the party and being really surprised at Keirathi's claim. Think about it, though: scum was probably not feeling too comfortable on D3. D1 went town's way, D2 went further town's way. Why would they NOT want to take any opportunity to get on the party? Claiming not wanting to be on the party would be a ridiculously stupid move, unless you think scum is so afraid of being caught out through the party mechanic that they are going to hide all game while town figures them out and kills them one by one on the few lynch days we get? Oh, I can claim some other stuff: I have a load of one-shot abilities, but don't know what they do. Part of my suspicions of Drazerk are founded on this: he claims to be able to figure out what his abilities do before using them. I am unable and have to use them and pray. I can make an educated guess using common sense and some help from the chronopedia to figure out what is likely, but I cannot know for certain. Not giving ability names either, as they are 100% linked to my character name. On D1 I used an ability that I thought would mason me with 3 other people. Instead it did 75 damage to each of them. I hit Sandroba, Dienosore and BioSC with it. I wanted to chat with Sandroba and BioSC to figure out if they were scum or not. I wanted to chat with Dienosore about setup-related stuff that largely got resolved in the thread. I already said what I did D2. D3 I cannot reveal, as it says too much about me. This is the only one I breadcrumbed, though, so if I ever feel safe in claiming my name in full, you will be able to check it. @Hopeless1derp: I have called you an idiot too many times this game, already, but here goes again. On the offchance you are really town (which I really don't think): you're an idiot. OF COURSE you want Lavos to appear when scum is dead. Fairly certain killing Lavos with scum alive is going to be harder than killing him with scum dead. It doesn't look like there's much opportunity to kill scum, so wasting whatever abilities you have to kill scum on me is beyond ridiculous. I also have rather a lot of HP and things that I really really suspect are heals. There is 0 point to killing me and I am helping town as best I can. I have done more scumhunting than pretty much anybody except Marv. I was wrong on Sandroba, so /shrug. However, I DID find Toad. If you prefer I shut up and go afk for the rest of the game, say so. I am happy to leave you derps derping it up. This time I don't give a shit if the endgame has Kushes Fubas and Proms in it: I just need to not get killed once I have completed my other condition, which I am fairly confident I can do without your help. *cough* *cough* I'm broke. I have no more checks, I can't protect anyone else. There's a reason I didn't check hopeless against Toad. There's a reason I didn't check YOU against Toad. Clarity between the two of us that means Marv took something greater than or equal to 550 damage if I'm adding correctly? | ||
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On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote: ... Are you the guy who has to kill me? Someone has to kill you and you claimed? | ||
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On November 28 2012 03:06 Acrofales wrote: How about you read my claim. It's explained there. /VERY tired of people not reading the thread. Are you referring to this part of your claim? "because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me" I'm not seeing what you could be referring to otherwise, and I still don't understand why you claimed. You say the cat was out of the bag, but it was all speculation. | ||
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I still don't think you should have claimed. Your confirm red check should never have been claimed, and your claim just now never should have happened. Toad is the very clear next lynch, there isn't any REAL pressure on you for at least two cycles (that's on the assumption of two lynches consecutively) and on top of this no scum in their right mind would kill you while there's that much suspicion on you so you don't even have to worry about that (which you clearly weren't anyways). I just don't get it. | ||
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On November 28 2012 04:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Ehm, if this was used on marv: And isn't a lie, then yes. Marv took 550 damage last cycle. | ||
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On November 28 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Neither of you seem to be talking so, why was putting a shield on marv a bad idea? I don't think it was. @ TC You... realize you didn't post anything, right? I meant that as far as scum was concerned my shield could have been on anybody. I forgot I hadn't said who my target was. | ||
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On November 28 2012 05:53 Acrofales wrote: In the game there's an entire questline devoted to fixing the sword. I suspect that if we wait long enough, we'll get Melchior to fix it. I don't know why the party and the sword are related. Dieno, do you get the feeling you should do something to fix it? Or just wait around til the game fixes it for you? I get that, but half the reason I was voting Keir initially was so we could get the benefit of his abilities. Also, he says he has a low modifier so I wanted to get him on the team with the confirmed people. Turns out we can't do that I hadn't taken into account that marv died when I first said that. I still think Keir should be on the team so we can get the benefit of his abilities, but I don't think he needs the reward (potentially) as much as Die does. | ||
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I got healed. Bad things I used my 1 shot ability and it didn't work because I wasn't on the fucking event team. Is this a joke? Like the team that was constantly posted in thread couldn't be used? | ||
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I'm Risen, by the way. Sorry I lied to you Prom I've been feeling nonstop bad about it since I did it but seriously could you have crumbed my name any more obviously? It wasn't enough that you just said you knew who I was? | ||
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##lynch: toadesstern ##leader: clarity I'd propose a party of clarity, syllo, Keir, me. Order of events. Lynch toad > roll me back > tomorrow during the event my ability is used. If I'm NOT going to be on the team tomorrow I need to be told before we send in actions tomorrow. No need to say anything today. However, the sooner I'm on a team the sooner I can use my ability (if I get rolled back). | ||
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On November 30 2012 02:46 Promethelax wrote: Risen: why did you decide to smurf this game? What were you hoping to gain by that? Syllo: can you please give us some of the posts from the QT which you feel are damning of Risk. I've been trying to smurf for a while now. This is the third game I signed up for on chronicler? First one that started :/ | ||
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On November 30 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, TC. You mentioned you used your 1 shot last cycle but it didn't do anything because you weren't on the party. Is there any way you can tell us what your 1-shot is? Also note that the heal you received will not have happened, you will take damage equal to the heal. Wait the rollback wouldn't act as a protection? | ||
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On November 30 2012 02:58 syllogism wrote: I'm fine with that, although I haven't actually read anything about TC's 1-shot yet. I didn't say anything about it other than I used it and it was useless bc I wasn't on the team. | ||
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On November 30 2012 02:59 Promethelax wrote: No, it is the second one you have signed up for with this alias, believe me, I read all of your posts and checked time stamps with your main; just this and LVIII. Any real reason you wanted to smurf? Or did you just want to get away from being Risen? I didn't sign up for cold war? And I just didn't want to be risen anymore. Earlier this game someone said there was no way i was risen and I was like thank god. | ||
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On November 30 2012 03:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I did...sorry about that. I literally had to go check my Inbox. XD I didn't take any damage though! I'm still working on that post. It's incoming soon. This sounds... False. | ||
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On November 30 2012 03:00 Clarity_nl wrote: The rollback is a rollback. The way you were 48 hours ago (1 full cycle). So the hp you had, the abilities you had, the items etc you had. So any heal that happened in the last 48 hours will be reversed. I think it's worth it. | ||
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Voting A for both. The sword seems important. Attacking solo seems stupid. I'm pissed. Good on you die. My one shot ability would have given me my starting gold if I was on the team and won the event. Two more parity checks and a shield on someone. SWEET. | ||
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On December 04 2012 09:10 Keirathi wrote: We're only half way through the game :o Remember, we don't go to 1999 until cycle 12. Even if you're right, I doubt we can sit in EoT forever. ಠ_ಠ | ||
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On December 05 2012 09:04 Mementoss wrote: ... Also VisceraEyes fell off the Epoch while being in a 5 day coma. ... Fucking had me laughing so hard. Nothing happened to me. | ||
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On December 07 2012 05:20 Acrofales wrote: Oh, I forgot to vote? Thought I had done so with the case. ##Lynch risk.nuke ##Epoch Middle Ages All the cool kids want to go to the middle ages. I don't care. Yeah uhh.. same. | ||
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On December 07 2012 09:40 kitaman27 wrote: RIP Cave. While you slaved in the kitchen preparing the finest cuisine, we looked down upon you and some of us (not to name any names) tried to murder you. Your talents were truly unappreciated. I only wish you were alive to see the end of time one day... I suppose with five mafia dead it wouldn't hurt, unless Acro is out to kill me or something Mass claim is probably our best option to find the remaining 1-2 anti-town players. My abilities cost a certain amount of mp and I can use as many abilities as I want per turn as long as I can pay for them. My mp regenerate over time and I gain new abilities while leveling up, which occurs with successful events, mafia lynches or at random (I haven't quite figured out why I sometimes gain two levels. Maybe the time period) Cyclone 10mp - 50 damage target player Lightening 30mp - Roleblock target player Lightening 2 70mp - 100 damage + Roleblock target player Raise 150mp - Gain a level Frenzy 100mp - Damage target for 50 for two nights I've mostly been using Cyclone and Lightening each night to sustain my mp until Lavos shows up, since the others don't seem very cost efficient. I figure I probably have the highest event success modifier, which is why I've tried to get myself included in parties, but apparently people never had a strong enough read on me This role claim is hilarious to me. | ||
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Austin is z-Bo. I have no problems with this. Why are we going to 65m bc? I'll have to vote epoch today since I'll be traveling to a magic tournament tomorrow. ##vote: austinmcc ##Epoch: 65,000,000 BC | ||
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On December 10 2012 02:22 Hopeless1der wrote: If a player dies during the Lavos encounter, do we see their flip? Prom, we can't vote for a No-Lynch. I don't know how many heals we have lying around. I'd love one as a test, but I can't confirm that anything special (other than I'd live longer) would come of it. Where does it say that? Anyways, we shouldn't no-lynch. ##vote: austinmcc | ||
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On December 10 2012 03:29 Hopeless1der wrote: The part where I explicitly asked in-thread? All you had to do was answer the question. No need to be snide. | ||
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Correct me if I'm wrong. This is how I've followed it. 1) Acro/hopeless different 2) Acro claims third party 3) Acro gets taken on the random mission led by our glorious leader Dienosore and we fail. On this mission with Acro are Keirathi and Goodkarma. These two haven't flipped, so maybe they're scum, but I don't think Keir is scum. For me this narrows our loss to GK and acro. Acro as a claimed third party makes me think he's the reason we lost. 4) We decide to lynch austin and everyone then decides to lynch phagga. Now we're lynching austin again. So... fill me in? I still believe austin is scum b/c of z-bo and Acro is third party b/c of austin's recent interactions with him, I'm just trying to figure out how people know he's third party. To me he's most likely third party witha side possibility of bus. Looking at austin's most recent post makes me think he knows Acro isn't scum (then again, somehow everyone in here seems to know acro isn't scum except me. The guy who checked him against hopeless), and if austin flips scum it almost confirms acro as third party/scum, to me. I don't see a townie claiming third party. This would therefor confirm hopeless as town to me, disregarding the off chance that I hit third party/scum. But then why isn't hopeless pushing for an acro lynch since in hopeless' mind he should KNOW acro isn't town if hopeless is town. Ergo quid pro quo etc, we lynch austin. | ||
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On December 10 2012 13:05 austinmcc wrote: This is what I'm talking about. We win by defeating lavos. Scum win by killing off town and having mafia alive. So what happens if all mafia are dead, we summon lavos, and he somehow wipes us? Nobody wins? Everyone loses but lavos? Grey has spent a lot of time crafting this game and hosting it, and I don't think that he'd leave this gaping hole in the setup where nobody wins. You've got no idea if Acro is the gap-filler. A third party that's pro-lavos. Working to summon lavos, but then against town once that happens. You may not have a beef with 3rd party now, but if that third party has a win condition that is actively anti-town, you darn well better have a beef with 3rd party. See? Look at this post, if you're town why aren't you defending yourself by airing the possibility that Acro could be scum? | ||
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1) I claim sand/toad same alignment 2) Acro says "yeah they're the same" Acro was a major part in catching Toad. You right, makes sense to me. And yeah a major part of catching risk, the guy who openly claimed in thread that he could hurt the people in his mason thing. It's a good thing we have acro, this game has been DIFFICULT. | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote: sup guyses. Thx for reviving me Rofl | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:03 Hapahauli wrote: Have any damaging/healing/whatever abilities? Nope rofl. Might as well claim. I'm crono's mom hahaha. Hey kita be home for dinner ahahahaha | ||
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Should be an easy win from here just target Lavos and if he dies then we can help acro by killing toad? I'm assuming toad respawned with full hp. So since acro says he can hit toad for 200 dmg a turn 5 cycles til toad death. I think Lavos killing us off will mean 4 cycles til he's dead. So maybe we coordinate the dmg abilities so we can split the last cycle? I can't do shit, sorry guys. Doesn't look like it matters, though. Anyways, claim dmg in thread so we can plan this out? | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:15 Acrofales wrote: I need to kill Toad before Lavos dies. Toad has to be dead when the game ends for me to win. Then we'll need to coordinate or something. I swear I thought you were scum buddies with Austin, but I can't see you trying to kill toad as scum. | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:26 Hopeless1der wrote: Toad how did you avoid taking so much damage? His flip said he had 1000 hp. | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:38 Acrofales wrote: Based on what idiocy did you get that conclusion? Hopeless said if there was faction kp last night there's another mafia member. I think it's you. It makes perfect sense. "don't worry guys I've got 200 dmg I'll be using on toad only" Riiiiight. I'll wait to see if anyone claims damage before definitively calling you scum, but if there is it makes perfect sense. | ||
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On December 12 2012 05:48 iamperfection wrote: Imp will not be my nickname Rofl | ||
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