Chrono Trigger Mafia

On November 20 2012 03:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Noooo 3sr he is my friend. Boot the smurph instead.
He tried to get into ponies mafia...cancelled.
He tried to get into Cold war...never started
And now he tries this game and he gets booted.
Really unfair imo. He wants to play a big game that's why he's not doing a newbie.

On November 20 2012 04:50 Foolishness wrote:
Could've sworn it was 12,000 BC, not 12,000,000 BC.....

On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O

On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play.

On November 21 2012 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote:


What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong.

On November 21 2012 12:31 Clarity_nl wrote:


Because you're throwing a second layer of wifom into the mix.

On November 21 2012 12:32 Oatsmaster wrote:


Thanks for the confidence boost...


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All this does is show us that you have no confidence in your reads... Also passing the blame if town fails the mission you are leading by saying you didnt pick the party members..
Suspicious behavior

On November 21 2012 12:35 Acrofales wrote:


So you want to be as unaccountable as possible. I want you to explain what USEFUL information you think we can gain from this plan? It gives us more sources of information, but less information about more things. Seems to confuse matters. How do you plan to put this "extra" information to good use?

On November 21 2012 12:41 marvellosity wrote:
i wonder how long we can discuss this infinitely awful idea for.

On November 21 2012 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
You are really not making sense Chronicler..

So the leader has to crapshoot 3 people that he thinks will pick town players?
This just makes it harder to complete the task successfully. Also, as Prome already pointed out, 1 mafia may cause the party to fail and since 3 people are picking 3 other people, it is more likely that they will pick a scum...

On November 21 2012 12:45 marvellosity wrote:


if i'm leader and i choose my strongest 3 townreads, why the fuck do I want people who aren't strong reads on my team? I chose those 3 people for a reason.

People will be discussing who should potentially be in any party anyway. No-one is prevented from doing this, so giving them some arbitrary power to choose doesn't add anything.

When it comes down to it, you want the 4 people likeliest to be townie in the party.

On November 21 2012 12:47 marvellosity wrote:
TheChronicler, take a moment, sip a glass of wine, and ponder why every single person who has read your idea has thought it terrible.

It's either because you're a genius, transcended on a plane above any of us mere mortals, or your idea is bad.

On November 21 2012 12:49 marvellosity wrote:
then we make sure we don't elect a scum person.

can't be that hard to make just one or two very likely town reads, no? ^^

On November 21 2012 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did not see the 'when'
sorry.
Also about the Keir thing with marv.
He said that if he did think marv was scum he wouldnt vote him
Then he said that he would have to be sure that marv was town to vote him.
They are the same in my opinion, Keir has the confidence that he will either have a town or scum read on marv by the end of the day, not a null read

On November 21 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:

What is there to explain? Both of those things you bolded say the exact same thing :o

On November 21 2012 13:32 iamperfection wrote:
also by the way i have a town read on Dienosore no nooby scum gonna come in here like that.

On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too).

Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to
-identify town
-vote town to lead the party
-Profit
-Kill Mafia/Lavos
-More Profit

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What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD.

I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party.

Come play the setup speculation game with me please!

On November 21 2012 13:55 iamperfection wrote:

is it scummy to say what i think?

On November 21 2012 14:05 Dienosore wrote:
I think it's possible to remain credible and maintain a good sense of playfulness at the same time

On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote:


I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question.

Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that.

On November 22 2012 03:23 Acrofales wrote:

I will correct you on this:
1. Polls are a terrible idea in mafia (I have tried to use them myself in my younger more nubby days and they are a terrible idea)

2. Expecting that mafia cannot manipulate a vote (especially an anonymous vote as in the poll system) is exceedingly naive.

3. You are dodging responsibility, because one of the reasons for voting for a leader is so he can be held accountable for his team. If the party fails, then everybody in that party comes under serious suspicion, but the leader most of all: he put a party together with at least one scumster (and probably more, or third parties, or something). Given that town reads are generally easier than scumreads, especially so early in the game, that means the leader either has really bad judgement, someone really fooled the crap out of him, or he is scum. By avoiding this dilemma and putting it up to majority vote, you cannot be held accountable in this manner, thus dodging this use of the party system, which, in the long run may very well be its most powerful use.

On November 22 2012 03:36 CaveJohnson wrote:


He doesn't care to convince people - Thats taking himself out of the running.

You clearly don't read the thread

On November 22 2012 04:12 strongandbig wrote:


huh

like, how random is this? I mean, i can give or take the logic, but did you really need to explain your useless town read right then?

On November 23 2012 02:34 marvellosity wrote:


I prefer truth over deception to keep myself alive

On November 23 2012 02:40 Djodref wrote:


No, I think kush was just being stupid and messed % with current hit points...

On November 23 2012 02:40 marvellosity wrote:


lol, hello omguser

personally i originally misread the % stuff as just meaning total hp.

On November 23 2012 02:44 Dienosore wrote:
The modkill is actually a big blow to the town. It sounds like his ability would have been perfect to easily destroy lavos.

On November 23 2012 02:45 marvellosity wrote:
you mean kita...

On November 23 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
TheChronicler, own up. Who are you?

On November 23 2012 02:52 CaveJohnson wrote:


I'm town sadly

On November 23 2012 02:58 Dienosore wrote:
If CaveJohnson is telling the truth (and it feels like he is), then I'm going to have to reevaluate my relationship map. He was catching a lot of flak from a lot of people, so now I'm going to reverse the pipes and see what comes up.

It's no surprise he doesn't like marv, but I didn't predict him having any opinion on Djo. My only link between Cave and Djo was a stretch that included a pitstop through possible scum Acro and Kitaman.

On November 23 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:


You are not taking me on missions without me killing you. If I lie I'll lie hopefully we'll catch people from it but apparently you don't understand baits.

On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.

Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv.

On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:

How is that a soft defense?
I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all.
I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch.

What part of that post is defending someone?

On November 23 2012 10:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
EWBOP: My post was directed at hopeless/clarity/marv. Not chronicler :D

On November 23 2012 10:14 Toadesstern wrote:


wat

I think I made it fairly clear that I want to lynch Sandroba today with that post. If anything I'm softdefending Marv by saying I'd rather lynch Sandro today lol. but that'd be incredibly far fatched.
I'd say I made it fairly clear that I'd like to lynch the both of them if we had a double lynch available.

On November 24 2012 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
@Chronicler: I think it's important to clear some stuff up and for that you will have to unsmurf.

I am very uncomfortable with you being a smurf, but playing like a noobie. If you are, in fact, a noobie hiding on a smurf (like we had in HRM) for TL reasons, claiming your identity will not suddenly set lights flashing everywhere. However, if you are someone acting as a misguided noobie as some hairbrained scheme, we need to know.

On November 24 2012 02:28 Acrofales wrote:

Okay, so you're not picking the easy way out.

Did you have some ulterior motive with your plan, or did you suggest it as a serious idea?

On November 24 2012 05:15 Djodref wrote:


I agree with that, you didn't say that people should chose town reads. You said they should chose people on which they have "certain reads on"...
Care to expand on that ?

On November 24 2012 03:42 Djodref wrote:




@TheChronicler

I think you don't know how to keep your story straight

On November 24 2012 05:39 goodkarma wrote:
@Z-Boson:

Long story short I was starting a writeup on my thoughts on TheChronicler. I was going to state something along the lines of "Making contradictions isn't something that only scum does, and is not inherantly a scumtell." This may still ring true, but I'm going to take a closer look before this is my conclusive answer. He seems to be piling on more stuff that leads me to stop and think, such as his latest quote:



Wat?


But you can definitely expect from me a more definitive look at whether I think he is scum, and for me to list my top scum suspect tonight. I know my vote right now is on Sandroba, but given my unfamiliarity with his meta I can't really say it's anything other than a pressure vote on a lurker... You can expect it will probably change.

On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:

How the fuck does that make him scum?

On November 24 2012 06:21 Acrofales wrote:
Regarding Prom: I have him on my list of people to read and figure out at some point. I definitely don't have a town read on him at the moment, but he is not a high priority either. I am still mainly looking at GK, Kita, Sandro and of course Chronicler.

On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:

You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it?

On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:

you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum?
##Vote: TheChronicler

p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines.

On November 23 2012 22:07 sandroba wrote:
I am free to play, I'm posting more than the average person and I've contributed a lot. Mind you that 2 out of the 3 people syllo took with him I was planning on taking. I gave out a town read on syllo very early on.
As to your question, obviously, since I am town. He has been paranoid about my alignment a lot of times in the past (of the top of my head merc mini mafia and that huge 80 player game), but normally he reaches the correct conclusion soon enough.

On November 24 2012 06:56 Hapahauli wrote:


Well I think his campaign-actions are more likely townie than the alternatives. Also, I don't think lynching someone for losing interest on D2, especially over the holidays, is a good idea. I really want to see more from Sandroba before I'd consider lynching him.

On November 24 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:

You're suggesting that the scummiest player is the one with the most votes. That's ludicrous and is a terrible way to determine who you want to lynch.

On November 24 2012 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:

My problem with sandro's lynch is that I don't think he is scum. My problem with your reasoning to lynch him is that they aren't centered around him being scum.

On November 24 2012 07:09 Acrofales wrote:

No. Your defense has been erratic, because you are not being logical. You are basically reacting in exactly the opposite way I would expect you to react. I point out a very clear contradiction and you say "there is no contradiction". It's not scummy, it's not townie, it's erratic. If I believe you are honest in not seeing how your behaviour clearly flipflops between two completely different viewpoints, then a lot of the reasons I think you're scum drops away. And THAT is what I am trying to assess by allowing you a chance to give me some meta-information.

Anybody have a clue who this guy is?

In addressing you directly, not that I believe there is much point, I will explain the two contradictions in my own words, rather than through your quotes.

Contradiction 1:
- Your plan calls for town reads, the more the merrier.
- You tell people you don't want them to share town reads.

Reasons for town to do this: their brain is switched off.
Reasons for scum to do this: present a plan! It's the townie thing to do. Stop people from sharing town reads! It's an easy way to look like you're contributing without contributing. Easymode scumcruise under the radar. Whoops, I forgot about my plan.

Contradiction 2:
- Dudes, I have an awesome plan
- Okay guys, I am going to vote for Syllo, because he is doing the OPPOSITE of what I wanted, and what I wanted was bad.
- Dudes, my plan was always awesome!

Reasons for town to do this: their brain is switched off.
Reasons for scum to do this: not well thought-out post-hoc rationalization of an easy sheep vote to blend in. Yes, your vote was a sheep. Say all you like that you were an early adopter, but I absolutely disagree: you came in after Marv and his sheeples were already on there. That vote flew COMPLETELY under the radar, thus the very definition of blending.

On November 24 2012 07:18 Clarity_nl wrote:


Closest he came to calling someone scummy was me. Please note that even his townreads lack reasoning.

On November 24 2012 07:24 Acrofales wrote:


Okay. Do you remember any game where you and Sandro were opposite alignments?

On November 24 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ TC

Yes. Consolidating is something you do later in the cycle, not early. We still have plenty of time, so if you are town spending your time finding scummy things that haven't been pointed out yet is way better than sheeping onto someone and thinking you've contributed.

On November 24 2012 03:12 marvellosity wrote:


Haha. I've literally not been able to help myself considering sand/syllo/kita as some sort of superblock and I know that when I've found one of them scummier I've moved another down as less scummy for no reason.

One of the reasons I trusted in my vote in syllo was that sandroba called him definitely townie. Of all the possible alignments of the two of them, the only situation that would be worrying in is a sand/syllo scumteam, which I dismissed internally, for no particularly good reason... yeah.

Acro, syllo was town and sandroba was scum in Liar Game mafia, but it was a PM game so take what you will.

I am disquieted by syllo's lack of thread presence today, and I want kita to show up and answer for himself. sandroba we just gotta wait for atm.

On November 24 2012 07:30 Clarity_nl wrote:


You just told me something, I told you you were wrong, and you immediately agree and use my logic to make yourself look good?

On November 24 2012 07:35 Clarity_nl wrote:


That's great. So are you agreeing with me that taking other people's vote into consideration early during the cycle is a bad idea?

On November 24 2012 06:47 TheChronicler wrote:
Ebwop: cute how all my attackers keep going afk. Can't really hold them accountable since I'm gone for long periods of time, too, but it is annoying.

On November 24 2012 09:44 CaveJohnson wrote:
Its ok I've already used that one VE

On November 24 2012 10:29 Dienosore wrote:
Oh and also some of the lines in the second map are pencil, some are pen. Pencil indicates that they are voting to hang that person.

On November 24 2012 11:09 Toadesstern wrote:

sry it's firday (was) and as usually I'm taking the train back to my parents place.. that takes a lot of time and I haven't read a thing because I didn't really want to after that long of a trip, so I played some dota from 9pm my time or something like that... sry I guess, but that's how it is with me every game I'm playing.

About the question:
I think I made my point on Sandro (and Marv) very clear. You even quoted me when I did that. What do you want me to say more about it?

On November 24 2012 13:44 Djodref wrote:


@TC

1) it's wrong. You have never explained in details how and when you decided that syllo was town. I want you to explain it now and why you didn't to do it.

2) I don't care about what happened for us. Everytime we discussed about your plan, you say something like "what if the party leader was mafia and stuff". I want you to show in which situations your plan would have been useful for town. I want you to expand your thoughts about your plan. I don't care if everyone else thinks it's bad and that we shouldn't clutter the thread an so on. You still think that your plan is good right ? I'm giving you an opportunity to show it to everyone.

On November 24 2012 14:15 Z-BosoN wrote:


This makes zero sense to me. Why would he pick three people if not people based on his own town reads? What the hell do you/him mean by "certain reads". What other reads are there when choosing the "team pickers"?

On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:




Really, no contradiction? At all?

On November 24 2012 14:32 Djodref wrote:


@TC

1) So basically, the election of the party leader and the process we should apply to pick up the other party members, it was just a big gamble to you. You based your vote on the fact that CJ was opposed to syllo's candidature. What do you know about CJ and his motivation to do this ?

2) I'm saying that your "give us information" mantra is some bullshit you made up. Give me a concrete example with players and alignments.

On November 24 2012 14:40 Djodref wrote:
@TC

Can I ask you what do you think was town main goal yesterday ?

• Was is to ensure that the event would be a success ?
  
• Was it to find some mafia players ?
  
• Was it to build a consensus on a town player ?

Maybe you thought of another goal. In this case, please explain it to me.

Anyway, given the goal you think town should have tried to achieve yesterday, please explain me in details how yor plan was bringing some advantage to your position.

On November 24 2012 14:46 iamperfection wrote:

thats bs though i get very strong reads on day 1 all the time. your just wrong here.

On November 24 2012 14:48 Z-BosoN wrote:


1) Except I didn't mention a contradiction. I just can't fathom what sort of "reads" you are gonna use if not town reads. refer to point no. 2.

2) You also did not post a single fucking thing on what sort of reads they should be. What other reads could there possibly be for you too chose your candidates? You didn't go into detail on this, and this is something important and supposedly an integral part of your plan.

This was an attempt, and the only one I actually found in your filter:


But I view this as absurd and vague. How are you gonna choose? What's going to be your thought process? How are you gonna judge what gives more information and what does not?

I can't view someone choosing a scum read over a town read in this brilliant plan because it would give "more information". So my question remains: What sort of "reads" are you referring to??.

On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:




Really, no contradiction? At all?

On November 24 2012 14:59 Djodref wrote:


I disagree. As scum, I would have come with a bad plan and tried to push for it.

Does his plan have any sense from a town perspective ?

His plan doesn't help us to assure the event success.
His plan doesn't help us to find town players.
His plan doesn't really help us to find mafia players.
The only thing is plan does is giving us some irrelevant information.

His plan was made so he couldn't be elected and so he looked like this bad guy with poor ideas and poor logic. Or he is just a guy with poor ideas and poor logic with one year experience on mafia forums. Not buying it.

On November 24 2012 16:07 Keirathi wrote:

Huh? Are you saying that I'm nearly confirmed as scum, or that I've said that syllo is nearly confirmed scum?

Because neither are true. I said syllo was most likely town, but that him choosing me for the party leaves some room for doubt.

On November 24 2012 19:53 Acrofales wrote:
TheChronicler

I am glad your thought process is finally becoming clear and I am starting to see why you think there is no contradiction there. Let me go through it with you and see if I understand you this time round. If any point is wrong, please correct it, or if the whole thing is wrong, please say so. We will get to questions and considerations afterwards.

1. You have no confidence in your own D1 scum or town reads.
2a. You extrapolate from that that nobody else can be right in their D1 reads either.
2b. Or you have seen so many D1 mislynches that you conclude town sucks at picking scum and therefore also sucks at picking town.
3. Therefore the best town can do when facing the problem of picking not one, but four town reads on D1 is to choose pretty much at random and pray that we're right.
4. Your plan would probably fail the event (but that is unimportant, because we would probably fail the event anyway, see point 3), but would give us insight into who picked whom and based on what reasoning. We could then use this to scumhunt in the rest of the game.

Further considerations are that you would pick your scumreads to give their preferred party member and not town reads.

Is this assessment correct? Please also indicate whether you feel 2a or 2b is most accurate, or both are considerations you had in mind?

On November 24 2012 21:39 Acrofales wrote:

Is not pushing reads a scumtell? Especially if so blatantly obvious about it?


I agree. Today, I want to figure out Kita, GK and Prom. I also feel that I am starting to figure out Chronicler, which will allow me to go over his filter again and see if it makes sense as town.

I am more cautious. I honestly feel that Toad could also have been the scum in the running. I haven't analyzed his play yet, but Sandro is giving answers that feel right. As stated before, his absense of caring can be explained by him simply going afk at the wrong time. His failure to give constructed reads seems fairly in line with what I know about him in the thread. Syllo seems to be trying to read Sandro as if they are skyping each other, which is simply not the case here. I feel Sandro is not playing any different from the town games I have seen him in, except for a noted drop off in activity.

I also think his claim of using "shadow" is indicative of a townie use, but he might be bamboozling us. I realized before he replied that his self-pity could be explained as a townie who is quite unused to getting mislynched feeling himself powerless to convince people (or Syllo) that he's town.

Additionally I am a bit suspicious of the way the Sandro wagon formed. It is basically one giant sheep of Syllo, which is way too easy for scum to just hop on with no-to-little reasoning. While I realize this would happen regardless of Sandro's alignment (based only off what Syllo thinks), it doesn't mean I like it.

On November 25 2012 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote:


So your current scumreads are Zbo, Toad and Djo. I disagree with all of them.
Please make some cases on them.

On November 25 2012 03:12 Acrofales wrote:


Okay, moving on. I cannot fathom why you voted Syllo. Please explain it again.

From my point of view: you think chance of success at the event is very small. You don't think Syllo can actually read townies, so it's like flipping a coin whether we succeed or not. All you hope to obtain from the event is information and Syllo offers you the least of it. Why vote Syllo, with as reason that CJ is opposed to Syllo.

Rather than Hapa, Kita, Toad or Sandroba, who were all giving information about why they were picking their team, which insofar as I understand you, equates to more information.

On November 25 2012 03:56 marvellosity wrote:
It is somewhat tempting just to kill sandroba simply on the basis that kita is at least trying.

On November 25 2012 04:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
A lot of people haven't, why does this condemn him but not others? This is not a defense of him, just curious.

On November 25 2012 04:04 Clarity_nl wrote:


No, GK is right. He might get lynched tonight.

On November 25 2012 04:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay let me expand on that. I think I am one of the least influential people this game, out of the ones who are active.
If someone who IS influential does that though, and we don't get to hear his reads, it'll be a waste.

On November 25 2012 04:08 marvellosity wrote:
TheChronicler, seriously, what drugs are you on?

Are you purposefully being a useless sack of crap? Just curious.

On November 25 2012 04:12 marvellosity wrote:


All your play. You just snipe at people. You said I wanted outs to back off my kita case, when in the same post I made my kita case I said I would be happy to vote sandro too. If you have something worthwhile to say it, present it, otherwise stop sniping.

On November 25 2012 04:14 kitaman27 wrote:


"Failed case"?

Do you have knowledge of my alignment?

On November 25 2012 04:18 marvellosity wrote:


Stop posting until you have coherent thoughts to present. I don't care if you're on the phone, you're not helping anyone or anything.

On November 25 2012 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Chronicler.
Hmm is there a scum reason for doing this?
YES THERE IS. Toad was under pressure last cycle, chronicler was also under pressure. So fake a 'dt' check and BAM TOAD IS SCUM

On November 25 2012 10:35 marvellosity wrote:


why did you choose those 2 players?

On November 26 2012 04:05 Dienosore wrote:


There is this:

On November 26 2012 05:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
How about we speculate about the setup speculation now that grey swooped in and stopped the setup speculation. No.

On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:


Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town.

On November 27 2012 00:54 Djodref wrote:
@Acro and marv

Sorry for the fail post. Please also understand that I'm pissed off right now.

My wording was wrong, sorry for that. I didn't want to sound dumb like that. I really would like us to discuss another method for pressuring them and force them to contribute. This is my main goal here.
But I'm seriously going to shoot one of them, and you can ostracize me for this later if you want. So why shouldn't we discuss who has the most chances to flip scum among them ?

On November 27 2012 03:08 marvellosity wrote:


yes, plus his behaviour + night actions towards me make me pretty sure clarity is town (i understand this is reliant on me being town, but hey)

Djodref has been more townie for me today as well, there was something earlier in the cycle that made me specifically think that but i can't remember right now, will dig it up later if necessary.

for now, see you all later

On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Syllogism
##Vote: Hopeless1der

Things and such.

On November 23 2012 07:56 Hopeless1der wrote:

I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result

On November 23 2012 08:01 Hopeless1der wrote:

I am not currently aware of any such influence.

On November 23 2012 09:25 Hopeless1der wrote:

Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one.

My setup exploration was unproductive by the way.

On November 23 2012 09:36 Hopeless1der wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +

Having played only a couple games with Toad, I'm not all that familiar with HypnoToad. Is that kind of what you're talking about Z-Bo? Can you link a couple town games that you think he isnt living up to?

On November 23 2012 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
EBWOP: he was an assassin, not SK but anyways

On November 23 2012 10:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oats, you're lucky I have no new info to speculate with, or I'd derail the shit out of things with setup speculation.

On November 24 2012 00:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
I've read through sand's filter and I'm not content to lynch him today. I would like to see him scumhunt, but he called half the party early in the day


'When the time comes' would most likely have been when he was close to being elected leader. However, his activity dropped and we shifted to syllo.


On this, I feel syllo is best suited to legitimately make the case against sandroba today, but given that we wanted a town-party, I don't find his reluctance to give reads that scummy. I don't see big mafia motive behind sand's actions thus far. His proposed party is consistent:

kush ended up dying and we didn't hear much more from sand on the topic, but the fact remains, he picked 2 members of the party quite early.


This was the only post that jumped out at me as completely useless filler reading through his filter. It doesn't really do anything to further a read, and doesn't really think through the likelyhood of kush dying. It'll stick in the back of my mind, but I don't want to lynch over 1 trivial post and a lack of activity.

---

I need to go find someone I do want to lynch.

On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:

you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum?
##Vote: TheChronicler

p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines.

On November 24 2012 11:45 Hopeless1der wrote:


I still don't know if I buy this though. Seems like he used more than 1 ability last night.

These abilities are from the original invoker from the Warcraft Dota. Super old, and quite frankly its retarded that draz fails to explain this better.

On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:

you think acro faked his copclaim as well?

On November 27 2012 09:22 Promethelax wrote:


the party leader gets the reward (from what Syllo said). Do you think that taking Kier makes sense? We've, presumably, had bonuses every day because of Frog/Robo but would not have those in the end of time.

On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town.

On November 27 2012 09:47 goodkarma wrote:


So let's say (hypothetically) bringing you night one took us from 100% to 70% success rate, but you succeeded.
But it could have been something like from 100% success rate to 10% to but you succeeded.

Same outcome, but very different likelihoods of success...

We can continue to speculate on this, but it just doesn't make sense to me why we should bring you today since we don't know that we'll have the same outcome this time around as last time with you in the party.

On November 27 2012 10:00 Keirathi wrote:
Technically we can still bring any of the 5.

Oats just can't be party leader.

On November 27 2012 10:00 Acrofales wrote:

No. Can't take Dino and Clarity both.

Keir, Syllo, Dieno/Clarity and either Djodref or Chronicler would be my choice.

On November 27 2012 10:05 strongandbig wrote:


what

On November 27 2012 10:10 Dienosore wrote:
Alright guys, I'm going to run for group leader again unless it's obviously clear I should vote for someone else. I was healed last night, so I'm not really that scared of dying anymore.

Here is my proposed group:

Oats/Syllo/Keirathi

Unless I missed something, we are still in 2300ad, so Robo(oats) will probably continue to be beneficial to the party. Syllo is a shoo-in based on his performances d1/d2. Keirathi has expressed his desire to be in the group so he may use his abilities and was cleared on d1 group.

Any objections? Suggestions?

On November 27 2012 10:17 iamperfection wrote:
Oh clarity would be a great pick to i think for party. You feel up for it clarity? How you feel better?

On November 27 2012 10:58 Promethelax wrote:


so, you bodygaurded someone for 100 hp and that means you should be on the team?

also you do know that it is against the rules to quote any pm you get from the hosts right? Don't do that.

On November 28 2012 01:31 Acrofales wrote:
Shit. You people, can't you keep your conclusions about survivors to yourselves?

Seeing as the cat's pretty much out of the bag, I confirm I'm 3rd party. My wincon is to survive and do some stuff that I am not telling anybody about. I promise that the extra stuff is in town's best interest. Not saying anything more, because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me. Otherwise Drazerk's solution to playing a survivor will always work: claim D1 and go AFK (or in this case, claim D1 and help town to figure out how to fulfill the other part of my wincon, THEN go AFK).

This is also immediately the reason I don't want to be on a party. I asked Greymist whether my influence counts with town or scum, or whether I could choose. He told me that I cannot choose and that he's not saying what my influence counts as. I have no way of knowing my hidden influence factor. So.. no. There is no contradiction between my not wanting to be on the party and being really surprised at Keirathi's claim.

Think about it, though: scum was probably not feeling too comfortable on D3. D1 went town's way, D2 went further town's way. Why would they NOT want to take any opportunity to get on the party? Claiming not wanting to be on the party would be a ridiculously stupid move, unless you think scum is so afraid of being caught out through the party mechanic that they are going to hide all game while town figures them out and kills them one by one on the few lynch days we get?

Oh, I can claim some other stuff: I have a load of one-shot abilities, but don't know what they do. Part of my suspicions of Drazerk are founded on this: he claims to be able to figure out what his abilities do before using them. I am unable and have to use them and pray. I can make an educated guess using common sense and some help from the chronopedia to figure out what is likely, but I cannot know for certain. Not giving ability names either, as they are 100% linked to my character name.

On D1 I used an ability that I thought would mason me with 3 other people. Instead it did 75 damage to each of them. I hit Sandroba, Dienosore and BioSC with it. I wanted to chat with Sandroba and BioSC to figure out if they were scum or not. I wanted to chat with Dienosore about setup-related stuff that largely got resolved in the thread.

I already said what I did D2.

D3 I cannot reveal, as it says too much about me. This is the only one I breadcrumbed, though, so if I ever feel safe in claiming my name in full, you will be able to check it.



@Hopeless1derp: I have called you an idiot too many times this game, already, but here goes again. On the offchance you are really town (which I really don't think): you're an idiot. OF COURSE you want Lavos to appear when scum is dead. Fairly certain killing Lavos with scum alive is going to be harder than killing him with scum dead. It doesn't look like there's much opportunity to kill scum, so wasting whatever abilities you have to kill scum on me is beyond ridiculous. I also have rather a lot of HP and things that I really really suspect are heals.

There is 0 point to killing me and I am helping town as best I can. I have done more scumhunting than pretty much anybody except Marv. I was wrong on Sandroba, so /shrug. However, I DID find Toad. If you prefer I shut up and go afk for the rest of the game, say so. I am happy to leave you derps derping it up. This time I don't give a shit if the endgame has Kushes Fubas and Proms in it: I just need to not get killed once I have completed my other condition, which I am fairly confident I can do without your help.

On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
...
Are you the guy who has to kill me?

On November 28 2012 03:06 Acrofales wrote:

How about you read my claim. It's explained there.

/VERY tired of people not reading the thread.

On November 28 2012 04:37 Clarity_nl wrote:


Ehm, if this was used on marv:


And isn't a lie, then yes. Marv took 550 damage last cycle.

On November 28 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote:


Neither of you seem to be talking so, why was putting a shield on marv a bad idea? I don't think it was.

@ TC

You... realize you didn't post anything, right?

On November 28 2012 05:53 Acrofales wrote:

In the game there's an entire questline devoted to fixing the sword. I suspect that if we wait long enough, we'll get Melchior to fix it. I don't know why the party and the sword are related.

Dieno, do you get the feeling you should do something to fix it? Or just wait around til the game fixes it for you?