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havn't played mafia in a long time, but this sounds like it could be fun | ||
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Good luck everyone. ##Flip: 10g into fountain | ||
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perhaps you feel threatened that your scummy play for power is being challenged by a random nobody? | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:29 Z-BosoN wrote: No, you don't get to come in here all nice guy and shit. What do you think of what has happened so far? Reads? Thoughts on who should be party leader? Tip: it's not you. I don't think anything has happened so far, because it hasn't. Just mindless dribble pouring out from people trying to turn nothing into something. Why don't we let the game develop a little first so at least we know what we have to work towards? | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:31 Hapahauli wrote: Now now let's not jump on poor 'ol Dienosore - he just wants to be friendly is all =) How goes it Dieno? Other than your fluffiness and cuteness, what will you bring to the town as party leader? ^^ I will bring cookies, naturally | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:35 Clarity_nl wrote: If you're new you don't do that, no. But do we know he's not a smurf? Well, I am new... so... there goes that bit of logic out the window lol | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:55 Clarity_nl wrote: There is a special place in hell for people like you. T_T lets just be friends | ||
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I have no idea who any of you are, and none of you know me. Therefore, I can't abuse any preconceived notions or reads you have on me because they just dont exist. If I'm elected the leader, I promise to publicly consider every move before it happens. I will try to do so in such a manner that hopefully leaves no sour taste in anyones mouth. ![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/2141g6r.png) campaign poster lol | ||
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On November 21 2012 14:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Dienosore. Get off your ass and start playing properly. Its does not help anyone when you keep making fluff posts and pissing people off What would you have me do? How does one "play properly"? | ||
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If I don't win, well shucks, at least I tried | ||
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I STILL VOLUNTEER MY SERVICES | ||
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Djodref: Supports sandroba, though he (weakly) nominated himself. Wants Clarity and Lamp on his team. Has asked a few times to different people what their reads are. Maybe mining for info? Said "I don't think it would be fair for the scum team not being able to kill the party members" Also, put out a hit on a town marv and town Hapa for being dangerous to the mafia. I'd say 80% sure he is scum goodkarma: Seems to be in favor of Sandroba for pres, even though he nominated himself for it. wants sandroba and promethelax on his team. Put emphasis on finding townies, not scummies, which could mean he is scum. Asked questions that feel as if they come from mafia perspective (dealing with towny death and kill immunity). Attacks back at Keirathi after he explains that we dont know HOW the scum kills by saying "scum must be able to remove it somehow" Uses distancing language "town" when talking about possible medics. I'm 70% sure he is scum. Seems to be town hunting. ![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/20zd73t.png) | ||
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Oatsmaster: his team is marv/prome/acro. doesnt know how the mafia kills work. against roleclaims. Seeking out others opinions on sandroba. Getty a pretty heavy towny feel from him since he asked a harmless question scum probably would already know answer to. Acrofales: Was first to suggest this was similar to resistance. Would choose Marv/Sandro/Syllo. Doesnt like mass roleclaims because they could backfire (being key word). Asks questions from towny perspective. Read TheChronicler as Towny. Getting a pretty good towny vibe from this guy. ![[image loading]](http://i46.tinypic.com/335e8v9.png) (last poster i swear lol) | ||
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On November 21 2012 17:55 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay so you explained what both of them are doing but you have not explained why it is scummy. Djo is "mining info" and goodkarma is "town hunting". Both of which are perfectly reasonable ways to play this game as either alignment. Please don't drop random percentages, and stop posting that poster. It's less what they are doing, and more of HOW. I'm really good at reading language, like what verb tenses they are using or watching for specific pronoun connotations. For both of these guys, it feels very much to me like they are talking from a mafioso perspective, asking questions a scumlord would ask, etc... That being said, I am not 100% on any of my reads yet and don't really want to throw up any red herrings. All this is only based off of two pages of material. Give me another day or so (assuming these guys keep talking) and I'll have narrowed things down much better. | ||
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Scared I might find something? -___- | ||
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I do find it funny, though, that you assume I want people to take me seriously in a game full of established vets with way more experience than myself | ||
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@Clarity: No reason for us to continue arguing. You may not agree with my campaign methods, but there is no doubt now people will at least recognize my name when they decide to fill out their ballot ^^ | ||
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Just seems strange so many people are blindly believing him to be towny based on past games | ||
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All I want is the first leader position. If elected, I will open up the party selection process to everyone by making a poll and taking the top three with me (I know i said two earlier; was an honest mistake). I will also have a poll for what to do for our first action. I believe this is the best way to go about things, seeing as we have NO IDEA what is going to actually happen at the end of the first cycle. Once we have seen how the game is played, I will step down and let someone else have a turn as leader. | ||
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As for the majority elected team, I think it's more logical to do things this way, at least for the first cycle while we are completely in the dark. I don't view polling the masses as dodging responsibility, but rather taking away the mafias chance to have an iron grip on the initial proceedings (assuming scum is elected and starts a dictatorship). By putting the vote out into the open, we also have another opportunity to see where loyalties lie. | ||
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I know the move is risky, but it is a calculated risk. Of course if you have a better way to identify mafia, one that perhaps doesn't potentially sacrifice a towny to draw out scum or one that doesn't include blind reads, I'm all ears. [On second thought, I think its pretty clear now I don't have any real shot at first leader. However, I would still like my day 1 strategy to be considered by whoever is in that position] | ||
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On November 22 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote: As I was on the way to the supermarket, I thought of something that might be worth considering. I know this is a greymist game and aperture mafia was hardly about aperture at all, but I, at least, am not the goddamned batman or any kind of planar dragon, so from my point of view the theme is more serious this time around. If you agree that the theme could be serious, consider that the first mission in Chrono Trigger is also in a church. The playable characters are Crono, Lucca and Frog. Of these, I feel Frog is the most important, lorewise, in this mission. I don't think an outright claim is in order, but it might be worth considering, if you're one of these chars, in particular Frog, and running for the campaign, to make a more serious go at becoming the party leader. Frog, of all the characters, seems like he would wield the most influence in favour of town in the first mission of Chrono Trigger, assuming lore is an important aspect of this game. ![[image loading]](http://i50.tinypic.com/zk3muc.png) | ||
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On November 22 2012 08:02 Hopeless1der wrote: Either claim or fuck off with that goddamn poster My guise doth not incur thy's trust? | ||
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On November 22 2012 08:19 strongandbig wrote: Hokay so I just finished reading this massive thread I also have yet to vote. I am thus a swing voter and demand pandering. As far as I can tell, there are three "real" campaigns (real meaning the candidate actually intends to get elected) - Sandroba, Syllogism, and Toad. All three campaigns are based around the fundamental premise "i'm a vet, i'm town, i have good reads, and i'm self confident enough to take responsibility for my actions." Unless I've missed something, that's pretty much 100% of syllogism's campaign. Sandroba has his "get some noobs semi confirmed" thing Toad says he'll talk a lot Out of those, I gotta say Sandroba's got the lead on talking points, so I have questions for the other two: Syllogism, it's been a pretty long time since you started your campaign. You said you weren't going to lock yourself in to your party or whatever early, but do you have anything more for us by now? Or is it 100% that you're running because you know you're town and you're still not sure of Sandroba? Toad, why do you need to be the party leader to do that stuff you were saying you would do about getting people to talk about reads, and putting yourself under scrutiny so we get a better read on you? Shouldn't you be doing all that anyway, and why is it a campaign point? Mine name is Glenn...Cyrus' hopes and dreams...and now the Masamune, forthwith I shall slay Magus and restore honor! There is yet time to aid me on my quest. Elect me your party leader! | ||
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Alright, guys. I've been doing a lot of watching these past 30~ pages or so. I've come up with this aggregate system that isn't based around calling people towny or scum, but rather personal interactions. Using my extraordinary abilities to decipher what people mean rather than what they say, I've drawn out what I think is turning out to be a very interesting relationship map, and here it is: ![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/22mao4.jpg) The wiggly lines show hate/distrust, while the straight lines show some sort of companionship. There are a few other types of lines in there that represent different things, but I don't really feel like going into depth about every little mark. From this, I am able to extrapolate what I see into a larger picture. The only things that really set off flags for me are these: - Djodref and Goodkarma coming up as strong scumreads. - Kitaman drawing a lot of attention for little reason. - CaveJohnson coming up as scummy. - Iamperfection being indicated in secret relationships with SnB and CaveJohnson. I've also spotted some sort of mysterious link between Promethelax/Kushm4sta, Promethelax/Kitaman, and Risk.Nuke/Promethelax. I find it hard to think townies would be forming these sort of clandestine connections this early in the game, though it does not necessarily make them scum. There is always the possibility of a third party out there. Right now, I havn't really made any clear towny reads using this map other than Syllo. Sandroba was clear town for me until Syllo raised some suspicion with his >50% remark. Another flag is the sudden surge of support for Kitaman27 from people who I've dubbed as suspicious. What's also interesting is who is not on the map. BioSC caught a bit of negative attention from Iamperfection early on, then sort of disappeared. Not sure what this means. Alright that's all I have for now. Looking through all my info, it's pretty clear that I'm not going to be first leader, and that's fine with me. I just hope I get in the party and survive the night. | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:49 phagga wrote: Please elaborate the bolded points. What exactly is it that makes them strong scumread/scummy? I identified them as mafia very early in the game. Since then, I've been evaluating their interactions with everyone, and they seem to always come up negatively. I can only assume scum because why would a towny act this way? Why else would they garner so much distrust and hate from everyone except for the people I've flagged as possible scum too? I realize there isn't much tangible evidence... however, if you put enough toothpicks together, eventually you will have a house. On November 23 2012 00:51 Acrofales wrote: Why do you have the Scum? by my name, yet I don't appear in your scumreads based on this? If you'll look closely, it says Scum? not Scum. I'm not going to flat out accuse anyone who I'm not entirely sure of. But know my eye is on you, Acro. Oh and I know you have some secret relation with CaveJohnson. | ||
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On November 23 2012 01:17 Acrofales wrote: Dude, that's way cool, you found out! CaveJohnson is secretly my daddy. He's not very nice, though, he only gives me lemons to play with. I wish my mommy was here. In all seriousness. Based on what do I have this secret connection. I seem to be missing CaveJohnson's name in all the squiggly lines flying all over the place. And yes, I am trying to take this seriously, but having a really hard time of it. You sure you're not BillMurray smurfing? Your deflection of my accusation only reaffirms it in my mind. Being linked to CaveJohnson isn't a good thing, as he is looking pretty scummy from more than a couple angles, so maybe it's time for you to lay low if you want to take the heat off yourself (and there is much heat right now). | ||
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On November 23 2012 01:37 marvellosity wrote: Your accusation had nothing to respond to. You made a statement "you are linked" without explaining why. That is not an accusation, that is an unquantifiable statement, if you do not explain it further. Fine, I will dig up the evidence. Give me a sec to wade through the filter. | ||
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On November 21 2012 21:01 Acrofales wrote: If Marv is a 3P, will you get "scummy vibes" from him? In fact, I doubt your ability to pick up scummy vibes from Marv at all on D1, regardless of Marv's alignment. I agree with Toad that this feels like a very cheap justification for parking your vote with no real justification at all. So explain to us all: Why do you think Marv is town unless he gives off scummy vibes? Am I town unless I give off scummy vibes? How about CaveJohnson (add other random unknown smurf here if you prefer)? What exactly constitutes a scummy vibe? I know Marv is rather notorious for hiding his scummy vibes really well. What makes you so confident that your long experience of playing with him let you find these scummy vibes? On November 22 2012 02:51 Acrofales wrote: Cave, are you Drazerk? On November 22 2012 05:42 Acrofales wrote: How the hell do you have any idea what your HIDDEN success modifier is? What CaveJohnson's post made me think of was 3rd party. I thought syllo was referring to the fact that a 3rd party didn't want to come along on the mission was "townie", because he at least cares enough about the town to warn them off. | ||
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Not the best of evidence, I admit. That's why it's a lightly drawn loopy line rather than big, bold and angry line. | ||
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I identified them as scum early game due to their posturing and grammar. I didn't have much to go on then, so I had to make some advanced reads based on 1-2 pages of filter. I wasn't entirely sure. Since then, however, there has been so many indicators that if I were to compile them all here it would take up too many hours of my Thanksgiving. | ||
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Obviously this should serve as proof that I am right about everything | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Dieno you've used this comment about grammar before, could you please give us an example of where someone's grammar is alignment indicative? I'm sorry, but I'd rather not just yet. What I look for is hard to hide because it's essentially coming from the subconscious. But if I start giving examples of my exact lines of thought, then it's easier for someone to use my detection methods against me or fall off my radar completely. | ||
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another bad point is now mafia have some sort of HP frame to build their attack plan around | ||
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It's no surprise he doesn't like marv, but I didn't predict him having any opinion on Djo. My only link between Cave and Djo was a stretch that included a pitstop through possible scum Acro and Kitaman. | ||
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On November 23 2012 03:05 Djodref wrote: @ Dienosore You have a scumread on me but you are not giving your proper reasoning for this read. I cannot allow this because I'm town and I would like to be able to really discuss your read on me with so I can prove you that you are wrong. Please tell me what you find in my behavior that convinces you that I am mafia. Well, how about this... For starters, I find the general stuffyness and use of proper language relative to your earlier posts as an indication of something. What this something is, I do not know for sure. But then when I look at your overall message, it is about clearing your name. This is where I connect the dots and assume you have something to hide about your claim on being towny. What else is there to hide other than being scum or third party. Also, it looks like you edited this post halfway through, "really discuss your read on me with so I" which sets off another flag that you have more you want to say but are trying to control yourself. I mean, I guess there is a small chance you are telling the truth and I'm just reading too deep into one post... but I've been getting these reads off of you since the game started and they are starting to stack up. | ||
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also, thanks for giving me another relationship line I can draw between the three of you for coming to his defense ^^ Ok, it is Thanksgiving after all. I think im going to take a mafia break and eat some turkey with the family. See you all later! | ||
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b-b-b-but i was only gone for like 6 hours | ||
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As soon as I got my PM saying I was Frog, I realized I would be in an early position of influence. Originally I wanted to be leader, since I thought it might give our group some sort of extra powers. This was the reason I was very forward and pushy about getting leadership. I was completely ignored (and rightfully so, now that I look back at it). So, I started playing for the second best thing: a spot in the group. In order to do this, I decided to roleclaim. I believe this was the only sure-fire way I could get into the group, so I went ahead and took the chance. I knew the target I painted on myself was huge, but I felt as if I had enough HP to at least survive the night. (I loled quietly to myself when someone said Lagos had 999 hp) I also wanted to draw the fire away from helpless townys who I believed might only have 50 hp. Also, since I knew I was going to be taking a TON of heat anyway, I started making hard scumreads and openly confronting the accused. I hoped to use my very public position to hopefully shine the light on scum, where others might have been more reserved in their cases. Well, I must have rattled some cages, because I ended up taking a fuckload of dmg. I do not want to give out my max HP, but lets just say another hit like that would cripple me. If you have any protection or healing powers, please help out your friendly town frog! <3 Additionally, I want to use this opportunity to provide myself as a safe contact. If you want to organize some sort of town circle, please get in touch with me somehow. I know PM's aren't allowed in this game, so we will have to figure out some other way to communicate outside of the thread. I know there is always the chance of a Mafia infiltration, so I will be EXTRAORDINARILY critical of anyone who expresses interest in grouping up. The Mafia has already organized, and has probably been following a plan for a full cycle now. We cannot wait any longer. Thanks~ | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:21 marvellosity wrote: make what work dear? some town circle is impossible as all communication is in-thread only. Was there something else in particular you are trying to make work? Forming a town circle of some sort was my plan. I guess I'm just going to have to shoulder the load by myself until someone else reliably claims. | ||
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And why did you use the word 'had'? Does your success modifier change? | ||
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The story so far (condensed version): + Show Spoiler + Teleporter malfunctions, group wakes up and sees castle. Gets pounced on by fiends, some people die, and the group heads to the church. We enter church, fight some demons, and save the King and Queen. Team returns to present and now we get to lynch a 'shapeshifter' (aka mafia). So far this is very consistent with the actual Chrono Trigger game, so I am going to assume that we can draw clues about what is going to happen next based on that. In the video game, Chronos and his party are arrested for kidnapping the princess and are sentenced to death (idk, might just be represented with our lynching phase). The group escapes through another portal, which flings them far into the future 2300ad. Here, they learn about Lavos and vow to stop it. Along they way, they repair and meet Robo (probably going to be the next crucial party member). After some running around, they eventually bump into Gaspar, the old sage at the end of time (might be a 3rd party role this game?). He gives them magic powers and the ability to time travel. The party then jumps back into prehistoric time, where Ayla (probably another role) and Frog join the group. The team helps Frog repair his sword, then fights and kills Magus (might be a scum role), the evil guy who turned me into a frog. Well, it seems I have this broken sword in my inventory. As explained in my initial role PM: "Now, you wield the broken Masamune to defend your queen. Until it is fixed you cannot use its full power." I'd like to live long enough to see us fix it, but I'm afraid I won't make it at this current rate. I think it could be a great help to the team if we get this bad boy online. ------------------------------------- Ok for my next trick, I have compiled a list of everyone who has admitted to taking damage. We can use this to gauge a rough estimate of mafia killing power. I am aware that it would be oh-so-easy for mafia to lie about this, so take it with a grain of salt. There has to be a bit of truth behind it though, so here it is: Dienosore - 445 dmg Marvellosity - 200 dmg CaveJohnson - 25 dmg Clarity - 20 dmg Iamperfection - 20 dmg Acrofalls - 20 dmg Djodref - 20 dmg Keirathi - 0 dmg TheChronicler - 0 dmg | ||
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Another thing I forgot to add. Since this game seems like it's going to be pretty dynamic, I'm also considering the possibility that the queen we just saved can be utilized in some way. Maybe someone's PM said something like "if the group saves you, you get so-and-so power" or maybe she's just an NPC that will make our next mission easier, IDK -_- | ||
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Also, why has this thread slowed down so much Everyone eat too much for thanksgiving or something? lol. Pehaps you are ... digesting... all the info I just dropped? lol x2 | ||
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Plz don't distract me from getting to the meat of our problems. I've been consumed by them all day, so I can't really stomach any more derailment. | ||
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- I have a strong GreYMisT read that tells me I might be heavily responsible for the success of our mission. I'd imagine I get a little bit extra influence for being a hero anyway, and then even more on top of that for being in the party during the proper time period. We shouldn't assume anyone in the party is not scum because I could just be pulling their weight. That being said, I see no reason to change as long as we keep winning our events. I maintain we leave things be and try to fit the lore as best as possible. This means that we should have a serious discussion on whether or not it would be benificial for Robo to roleclaim sometime on the next cycle. If my theory is correct, you should be traveling to the future soon. Having Robo in the squad during this time might be the key to winning the challenge. This may prompt the Mafia to do a false claim, so be highly critcal of anyone who steps up. - Kitaman27's guessing game indicates to me the presense of a third party who gets this ability every lynching. I also suspect that this is a one-hit-ko type of deal to a regular towny. I think I've picked up on another 3rd party who does a 100dmg spread in 20s to 5 people. Either that or CaveJohnson can deflect dmg (check roleclaim) - There are three big hidden factors that I don't think anyone has tried to figure out yet that concerns Mafia killing power;their numbers/hp/kp. I'm guessing each mafia game is pretty similar in this regard? Does anyone with more experience have any input? - Thanksgiving gives lurking mafia the perfect excuse as to why they have been lurking. I'm not saying everyone who said this is lying, but I have a hunch at least one person is using it as a cover. | ||
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I'm pretty sure the mafia wouldn't shoot themselves in this situation 2. Yeah I didn't really believe it either after it happened. He did it at a weird time and for no real reason, then even said something a few posts later about lieing to bait out reactions. (different topic i think, but still fishy that he'd say something like that right after claiming) After comparing some numbers, I'm going go postulate that a regular mafia is sitting around 200 hp. I'm also going to speculate that a regular mafia can do 25 damage each, except for the scumlords who can do more. As for their numbers, the dmg output is showing about 8-10 scumbags running around. | ||
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idk i can't honestly see a reason why he would claim anything, especially in such a foolhearty way, other than to offer himself up for the first necking. | ||
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I'd like to hear everyone's stance on a Robo roleclaim before the next party selection. Should Robo claim? When would be the best time for him to expose himself? Who should he replace on the team? Is it really worth exposing a strong member for the sake of him being there during the proper time period? well? | ||
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As for GK, he's popped up a couple times on my map, but the squigglies protruding and intruding his bubble are too varied for any reliable read right now. I havn't specifically examined him yet, so idk. My earlier leanings was scum, mostly because he attacked my credibility a few times for no real reason. Also, his demeanor was setting off some flags, but as many of you kindly have pointed out english isnt his first language. | ||
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On November 24 2012 04:25 marvellosity wrote: No, that was Djodref. Get yourself together and make a proper analysis on GK. Sry, mistake. I'm still working on mapping things out, then im going to crossreference. I will say, though, that you have quickly popped up on the second map and are starting to collect some heat marv. It could just be your playstyle to be accusatory towards lots of people, or idk, but for some reason you are drawing a lot of negative attention. | ||
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Mistake No. 1 [spoiler] On November 21 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote: Perhaps our host could explain?: Are chosen party members kill-immune? If not, what happens if scum kill a party member? On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote: I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. On November 21 2012 17:16 goodkarma wrote: The game structure inherantly requires us to produce targets for the mafia, and we'll just need to accept that... I should reword what I said, then, as follows.: Until such a time where lynching becomes an available option, we should be prioritizing townhunting over scumhunting as we choose our party leader and members. These all happened early and seem to come from a scumbag's perspective. While one post wouldn't necessarily indicate mafia, I became suspicious when they began to stack up quickly Mistake No. 2 + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2012 17:50 goodkarma wrote: Nice to play with you again Toadesstern  . There were a few things you mentioned I would like to briefly touch up on and then I'm really going to bed...What you're saying here seems perfectly reasonable to me. However, I still feel as if blah blah blah... Here he completely glosses over Toad's accusation of Keirathi, indirectly saying to me that he supported the idea of a scum Keirathi. Well, it turned out Keirathi was in the group when we succeeded, so...? Mistake No. 3: + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 15:10 goodkarma wrote: Okay. To the best of my ability I have selected a team. 1) Oats: This is a guy who has played unafraid of what others think of him, making a mediocre (at best) case against clarity and chiming in every chance he gets. He clearly is excited to scumhunt, which is what I believe to be the only reason he placed a vote on toad. I visualize a scum in this setup taking more time discussing who's town, which is definitely the "safer" route. 2) Djo: I can't say that I have a very strong read on him, but I'm leaning towards town. He has proposed his own ideas for how to run an election. A scum could be just as forthcoming, however. Beyond that, I have to go off of his reads: he doesn't trust acro and prox, and thinks oats is town. I am in general agreement there. Definitely my weakest read. 3) Sandroba: However much I feel he's playing lazy (he is), I keep coming back to his filter. I do currently believe that he is town. Everything he has done to date has been to provide clarity and insight into reads others have had and the general mechanics of this specific game. He could do this as scum, but I am inclined to believe he could have been a little less helpful and gotten away with it as scum as well. I look forward to seeing his proposed party as this will provide the information I need to help solidify my understanding of his thought process and determine if he truly belongs on this platform. But as it currently stands, I believe him to be town, and am including him on my platform. A brief note on Dieno: He is playing so badly that many would consider him likely town, as newbie scum tend to play far more cautiously. However, the persistence and singlemindedness with which he's been pushing his campaign (even after repeatedly being warned) and shitting up the thread leaves enough doubt in my head to exclude him. As a newbie town trying to improve he would have changed his gameplan long ago, as a troll he would be more, well, trolly, and as a newbie who doesn't give a shit he would have given up. How he's been playing is just plain sad, to the point where I wonder if what he's been doing is deliberately anti-town as a scum. He most definitely could be town, but I would rather not take such a risk on such an unknown. So he picked Oats for the obvious towny to gain people's trust, Djo who has always been suspicious to me, and Sandro who has recently come under heavy fire as a scumbag. Not very solid picks IMO. Also, why attack me at the end of it? He doesn't directly call me scum, but it seems as if he is trying to plant some seeds of doubt at least. He ends up switching his party no much later to Djo/Phagga/Dien. Why so flip floppy, I ask? He later revealed that I made the cut solely because of my roleclaim. Mistake No. 4 + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2012 01:19 goodkarma wrote: I am not in the least bit surprised that he has made one. But he has come to the correct conclusion, for the right reasons. I do regret that the last few times I've played with him I never took the time to congratulate him, so I'll do so now. He played NMM XXIII spectacularly, and it has been a pleasure to play with him since then. <3 Happa He seems overly relieved to finally have someone call him town. Even threw in a cute little heart there too. My gut says he started off very scummy, then toned it down a bit after he decided to drop his campaign and try to blend in. He is definitely top 3 on my Mafiadar. My next target: Sandroba[/quote] | ||
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Syllo, since you are running the show right now, can you give us 4 people to concentrate on? | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Closest he came to calling someone scummy was me. Please note that even his townreads lack reasoning. My maps confirm this. I have him showing aggression towards you, distrust towards Risk.Nuke, and intense aggression towards Prom. Other than those three squiggles, though, everything else has been inbound. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/14ippmq.jpg) My D2 map (still in progress): ![[image loading]](http://i46.tinypic.com/nmls9l.jpg) Haven't began to crossreference anyone yet. Probably will only do that on a case by case basis. Nothing pops up as too fishy yet, but I've only just begin to really look deep into the maps. | ||
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On November 24 2012 09:14 TheChronicler wrote: Is there a reason there's no lines leading away from me? O. Hav to specifically call someone scum? Just trying to make sense of that thing. If you are on the outside of the bubble, chances are it's because you have been lurking. Some people in this game already have 14 pages of filter, while others have 3. I start by framing the map with who I view as the most influential people in the game. In the middle, put people who are most in the public eye and under the most scrutiny. D1 it was Syllo/Sandro. D2 it was the group; Syllo/Oats/Keir. Then, whenever a new name is introduced, I put it near who introduced it first, and things just kind of spiral out from there. This way you can find out where certain groups exist, people talking about only a certain group of people. Thats why it's fun to cross reference day to day, to see if certain names group up again. One thing I've found interesting so far is that Sandro and Marv sure do create a lot of concentration, and that GoodKarma hasn't moved AT ALL from day to day. I have no idea what that means yet, because this whole process is more of an art rather than science, but it is awfully curious. | ||
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On November 24 2012 23:01 Toadesstern wrote: screw that ##vote Sandro I mapped you voting for sandro a long time ago. Why do you feel the need to vote him again, and in such a lackadaisical manner? Here is the updated map for d2. There has been a ton of shit slinging, so it's starting to fill up quite nicely. ![[image loading]](http://i46.tinypic.com/2uepqiq.jpg) Noteable things: - Djodref with no incoming lines, nor any negative outgoing lines (other than his vote for TheChronicler). This is wildly different from the day 1 map. Is the only supporter of many other who are catching flak right now. - Kitaman with no outgoing lines, other than a mutual hate with Risk.Nuke (You'd think someone catching as much negativity as Kita is would try to shift the blame, or at least frame someone else) - Phagga/Keirathi/Iamp/SnB/Adam/and Hopelessder flying WAY under the radar on d2. Doesn't mean one thing or another, just is suspicious. - Lots of scum reads from everyone, but they dont really match up with the voting results. Voting results from d1 and d2 (so far): + Show Spoiler + Day 1 Vote Count + Show Spoiler + Kitaman27 (4): Kitaman27, Promethelax, strongnbig Goodkarma (1): risknuke Hapahauli (4): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl, CaveJohnson Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson, sandroba, phagga Hopeless1der (1): Hopeless1der Day 2 Lynch Count! + Show Spoiler + Sandroba (10): Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, Adam4167, goodkarma, risk.nuke, strongandbig, syllogism, TheChronicler, Promethelax, Toadesstern CaveJohnson (1): phagga TheChronicler (2): Djodref, Acrofales, Hopeless1der Promethelax (1): Hapahauli | ||
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On November 25 2012 01:42 Toadesstern wrote: I actually haven't understood your map yet, like Marv said I've been mainly mentioning Sand and him d1&d2 so far, maybe Keir a little d1 but I think I made it very clear that that was on purpose to get something going and I don't see arrows between Marv and me. But than again who knows what arrow belongs to what person + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/2lcp5b9.jpg) As you can see, I already have those two connections mapped out. I know it's a bit tough for you guys trying to make sense of it all online | ||
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On November 25 2012 01:59 marvellosity wrote: are you going to sit there commentating like a useless buffoon, or actually contribute? If you're asking me to build a case on someone, I unfortunately don't have the time right now. All I'm trying to do is lay out the facts with my maps and try to catch someone contradicting themselves. Hopefully I can spur some discussion with my revelations, because right now everyone is kind of talking around circles. The same people are calling the same people scum, yet still voting for sandro anyway. | ||
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On November 25 2012 02:05 marvellosity wrote: Except you're not providing insight into anything, you're just summarise. Why not give your viewpoint on the arguments going on? you're not laying out any facts except your own interpretations which we're not really party to. Sure i'll happily share my viewpoints. Which arguments would you like to discuss? | ||
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On November 25 2012 02:08 Toadesstern wrote: But telling people who he picked probably isn't good either, at least not if he's town. There is always the angle he could play, "Here is who I picked, a vote not for him is a vote against me" Of course there would be no way to tell a lie here, and no way to tell if he actually took damage. Could be used as a good way for mafia to influence the vote. HOWEVER, I remember kita saying that if he guesses wrong, he will die. For a towny whose head is on the chopping block, he seems rather content with just taking his pick to the grave with him and not trying to survive. | ||
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On November 25 2012 02:17 kitaman27 wrote: You misread. If I guess wrong I do not die. Ah, my mistake. I misread an earlier post of yours that said something about scum knowing how much they need to take you out | ||
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Rather than proving someone else is scum, I'd like for them to prove their innocence. Have it it, boys. I don't have much time left. If none of you reply to this, then im going to have my sister who has no idea what mafia is to randomly pick one of your names. | ||
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On November 25 2012 03:59 goodkarma wrote: Could you provide your top five scum suspects? It would be a shame to let such a list go to waste... "Could you provide your top five scum suspects? It would be a shame to let such a perfect opportunity to paint a target on you if you are close". | ||
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Ok well, I'll be your first supporter then ##Vote: GoodKarma | ||
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Robo + Frog in first group lol; High5 Oats I think it's clear right now that either Oats or myself should be party leader. I don't really care who, just as long as we both make it into the group. Barring some unforeseen circumstance, we should be able to cruise through our next challenge. I will gather my thoughts, smoke a bowl, then make a case on a few people we should bring with us. | ||
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On November 25 2012 10:52 goodkarma wrote: That aside, I have no idea how role-claiming makes you any more qualified to be team leader... Might even make you less qualified since that information really only helps scum at this point. Are you kidding? You can't possibly think of any reason why we might want Robo as party leader during his era? | ||
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On November 25 2012 11:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Did you take any damage last cycle? I'd rather not say Sry, just self preservation. | ||
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On November 25 2012 11:14 goodkarma wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster It's between Oats and dieno then... I would propose Oats assume party leader and sheep syllo's choices. Sure was a mighty fast flip-flop there. | ||
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On November 25 2012 11:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok right, in that case, I will take Dieno (Froggy :D) Ribbit! I intend to run against you for leader, but it will be a friendly race. I can promise you'll have a spot with me too, so no fear my friend. | ||
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Oats Clarity Phagga These might change after I do a bit more digging. So far, though, they are the only ones who my maps indicate as not connected with any suspected scum. | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:26 Djodref wrote: My guess is that we are going to be back at picking a party leader tomorrow. The problem is that I think that the final blow is going to be delivered to Frog tonight so we'll have to find a new "almost confirmed" town player for tomorrow... Why were you so confident I would be dead? I'm beginning to rethink your spot. | ||
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On November 25 2012 14:16 Dienosore wrote: Why were you so confident I would be dead? I'm beginning to rethink your spot. Oh I just found this! On November 25 2012 10:27 Djodref wrote: @marv I think we can limit ourselves to one party member from the last time. Dieno is the most obvious town in my eyes. I don't know how he is still alive but I would definitively take him in my party. Why does does it surprise you so much that im still alive & kickin?! | ||
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On November 25 2012 15:32 Djodref wrote: @dieno Given that this game choice mechanics are mainly going to be focused on the election of a party leader and on the composition of the party members, I'll say that the biggest asset we have as town is Oats and you right now. You have both claimed and your play scream out loud that you are town newbies. This quality is easy to recognize and it is reinforced by the fact that you have already helped one event to succeed. Given your roles, I bet that your hidden factor is quite reasonable in any era on top of that. Being the biggest asset of town, you are also a great threat for the mafia. So I expected you to be killed, because you were the only one to have claimed at that time. Since you've said yourself I am one of the biggest assets to town and I am such a big threat to the mafia, why didn't you assume that the town wouldn't protect me somehow? Also, this seems like a suspiciously long explanation to a short question... @everyone I don't think that Oats or Dieno should be party leaders. As much as I appreciate their enthustiasm and the fact that they are easily recognizqble town players, I don't trust their judent. I would like to remind you that syllo received a gift the first cycle because his party was successful. I would prefer experienced players to receive such gifts. Moreover, I think that Oats and Dieno are both the closest to be confirmed town players. That make them big targets for the mafia. That's another reason why they should not receive these gifts which could be helpful to fight Lavos. You don't trust our judgement? Obviously I am going to listen to everyone's input about possible group members before I make a decision, so that's a terrible argument. About the item, and I'd like to think that even though my mafia experience may be limited, i'd still recognize the proper time to use an item lol. It really cant be that hard. The fact that I still have a huge target on my back and may die before I get to use the item is a valid point, though. | ||
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"Why didn't you assume the town would protect me..." | ||
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On November 25 2012 15:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Dieno, did you take any damage tonight? Sry, I'd rather not say unless you absolutely demand it of me | ||
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That being said, here is the claimed dmg report so far: + Show Spoiler + Happahauli : 100 dmg Kitaman27 : 50 dmg Iamp : 30 dmg + a heal Acro : 30 dmg Djo : 30 dmg Clarity : 30 dmg Also, here is a list of notable claims and developments: + Show Spoiler + - prome claims marv targeted syllo with a spell - marv says hes a medic - kita says new game is if hapa, oats, or phagga vote for him, he dmgs ppl - keirathi claims to be 600ad char, possibly medic? - oats claims robo and has multiple abilities - Thechronicler claims he can see if two people are the same alignment, incriminated toad - acro knows chronicler is being truthful, doesnt want to come into the group, says toad is queen zeal - toad claims johnny, the attention whore robot, going to use 200 hp heal, redistrubute hp by hitting people, exposed as queen zeal scum by acro | ||
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On November 25 2012 16:34 Djodref wrote: For the other point, the fact that you considered phagga for your party and the fact that you are basing a lot of your decisions on your chart makes me uncomfortable to trust unique items to you. Sorry, I don't mean to pick on you, but I have to ask this. Do you have a read on phagga that shows scum? Any specific reason why you dont trust him to be in the group? I don't doubt that you are going to listen to other players but some of them could be mafia. true, but if mafia try to mislead me, I'd expect the players that I have really good towny reads on to set them straight. I don't know how much protection you can get but I giess that you are going to die if mafia really wants you dead. Oooo... scary... Don't worry, you made already a ver good job by playing like you do. You are almost confirmed now so it is incredibly useful for us now. I understand your frustation but we have to play as a team and you did already more than your part ^^ Thank you for these kind words at least ^^ | ||
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On November 25 2012 16:50 Djodref wrote: EBWOB: by the way, you didn't deny the protection part, Dieno, so I'm going to assume that you were indeed healed or protected or some stuff  The fact im still here should have revealed at least that much to you ^^ | ||
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New group: CaveJohnson Toadesstern Hopeless1der + Show Spoiler + lol, just kidding. heres the real new group: Oats Marv Clarity | ||
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On November 25 2012 17:11 Clarity_nl wrote: You know the more people call me obvious town the more I'm afraid of getting randomly lynched down the line. Why would townies lynch a fellow towny? Don't you mean "I'm afraid of getting gunned down in the night."? | ||
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On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longerThis is acceptable to me. ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On November 25 2012 12:01 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Oatsmaster ##Vote Toadesstern | ||
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Ugh my eyes are bleeding. We are going to be targets whether or not we are in the group, so there is no reason not to put us in right now. Completing events is my #1 goal right now. Any scum that we can turn over in the meantime is just extra cake for dessert. Until we have an established group, I don't think we should take any chances at the challenges. It feels to me as if you are setting yourself up to drag in some unknown scumbuddy into the group, win the challenge anyway because of Robo carry, then be in a position of power to control the opinion of the lynch vote the next day. In the meantime, your scumbuddy now has good towny cred for passing a challenge. Your third reason is just a straw point to back up your power play. While it's true that more people will have passed the group test and therefor be slightly 'cleaner' than others, I don't think it's worth it. | ||
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On November 26 2012 01:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv are you not running for leader? Ugh, there were like almost 300 posts to catch up when I logged on. Who's running with syllo and Dino in their team? I'll vote for that person because honestly, that's the team that's going to succeed imo. So you're saying you don't want Robo in the group during 2300ad? | ||
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On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote: As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? Are you are suggesting there is a built-in repercussion for roleclaiming in addition than becoming a huge target for mafia? Care to elaborate on what you think these repercussions might be? I ask because I think these strategic roleclaims are going to be one of our most powerful tactics to pass challenges in the future. And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. More random speculation angled to get me off the team. True, I am not 100% like Oats, but I still think the benefits of my presence in the group far outweighs any danger. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. [/quote] Syllo did a great job leading us d1 and d2. He also played a vital part in identifying Sandroba as scum. As far as the party is concerned, however, he has not claimed a power role, so should willingly step aside for those of us who have (me, oats). And do you really think keith, the person who was least trusted out of the group due to his low modifier, is better than having Oats as Robo? Why does it feel so much like you are trying to sabotage our group? | ||
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On November 26 2012 03:12 Djodref wrote: EBWOP: but I'm not voting Oats until I obtain some assurance that TC is not in the party Oats and I agreed earlier on a team consisting of me/marv/clarity | ||
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On November 26 2012 03:13 risk.nuke wrote: Dienosore, the reason is (and this is not the least biased by your actions in this game) is because you're a massive moron. syllo, care to weigh on on what I think regarding HP and HSM? I make an argument against your post and your only response is to get sarcastic then call me a moron. How do you ever expect me to trust you? Is it too much to let the results of the events, rather than distracting speculation, determine whether or not our plan of attack is correct? We haven't lost a challenge yet, so I see no reason to change our line of thought about how groups should be formed. | ||
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On November 26 2012 03:27 risk.nuke wrote: Right now the general assumption is just that if one party member is mafia the party fails. But that doesn't make sense because then HSM would be useless. I thought the general assumption was that my hidden modifier was boosted due to matching my role with the correct time period, enough so that I could potentially carry even if scum was on the team. | ||
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On November 26 2012 03:32 Keirathi wrote: Does your role PM say anything about it being boosted if you're in the party during your era? Mine doesn't, although I do get other bonuses when I'm in the party during my era. No, it doesn't say I get a boost in my pm. I just assumed it because the likelyhood of syllo correctly picking 3 townies on day 1 was low, yet we still won the challenge. It's highly possible Syllo just had some good reads, but surely having Frog in the squad during 600ad couldn't have hurt either. | ||
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On November 26 2012 03:56 Keirathi wrote: So your ability costs gold. But you haven't gained any gold, nor do you know how to, but you got to use it? :o I'm confused. There is this: On November 20 2012 05:17 Mementoss wrote: Because me and GreYMist are such nice hosts, we gave each and every one of you 200 G to explore the fair, mingle with friends, and play the games! | ||
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On November 26 2012 04:11 TheChronicler wrote: A nice quote, but not relevant to me. I didn't start with 200. Then you should complain to Greymist and demand a refund | ||
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Relationship Maps D1 map: [/spoiler] [/spoiler]D2 map: + Show Spoiler + D3 map (incomplete): + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i48.tinypic.com/2v1l06a.jpg) Looking at these becomes funner and funner once people start flipping certain colors Notable Claims and Events + Show Spoiler + prome: claims marv targeted syllo with a spell, says he has roleblocks marv: says hes a medic, and got healed, clarity says he isnt lying about night stuff kita: says new game is if hapa, oats, or phagga vote for him, he dmgs ppl keirathi: claims to be 600ad char oats: claims robo and has multiple abilities Thechronicler: claims he has gold based abilities, incriminated toad with 'popcorn' for 200g, says end of the day is going to be fun for him acro: knows chronicler is being truthful, doesnt want to come into the group, used 1 shot to expose toad as queen zeal toad: claims johnny, the attention whore robot, going to use 200 hp heal, redistrubute hp by hitting people, exposed as queen zeal scum by acro syllogism: roleblocked iamp: claims he was healed cave: claims he is 1000ad char clarity: claims to know marv isnt lying about his night actions, also says cave's char isnt from a certain era hopeless1der: took self inflicted dmg cavejohnson: said he was going to kill acro asap Damage Report Day 1 + Show Spoiler + Dienosore - 445 dmg Marvellosity - 200 dmg (roleblocked) Kitaman - 200 dmg (conditional) Sandroba - 125 dmg CaveJohnson - 25 dmg Clarity - 20 dmg Iamperfection - 20 dmg Acrofalls - 20 dmg Djodref - 20 dmg Oh and someone else claimed they got hit for 50, also forget who Day 2: + Show Spoiler + Happahauli : 100 dmg Kitaman27 : 50 dmg Iamp : 30 dmg + a heal Acro : 30 dmg Djo : 30 dmg Clarity : 30 dmg Toad: 500 dmg (conditional) Syllogism: roleblocked Votecounts Day 1, First Group Leader + Show Spoiler + Kitaman27 (3): Kitaman27, Promethelax,strongnbig Goodkarma (1): risknuke Sandroba (1): Z-Boson Hapahauli (4): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl, CaveJohnson Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (13): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, sandroba, phagga Hopeless1der (1): Hopeless1der Day 2, Necktie Social No:1 + Show Spoiler + Kitaman27 (3): Kitaman27, Promethelax, strongnbig Goodkarma (1): risknuke Hapahauli (4): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl, CaveJohnson Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson, sandroba, phagga, Hopeless1der (1): Hopeless1der Day 3, Second Group Leader + Show Spoiler + Syllogism (1): risk.nuke Dienosore (3): kitaman27, Adam4167, Promethelax Oatsmaster (10): goodkarma, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, iamperfection, Dienosore, Clarity_nl, phagga, Keirathi, Hopeless1der, Z-BozoN, marvellosity, Hapahauli, Syllogism Quick note here, there have been a lot of changes which I haven't recorded. Everyone seems to have consolidated on Oats fairly early in the cycle, so it felt like a lot of unnecessary work. K that's about it for now. I'll be up for 10 more minutes or so. Anyone have any questions or want my opinion on anything? | ||
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On November 26 2012 18:53 Promethelax wrote: I think it has gone past that to totally meaningless. That is why I want his conclusions. If ntohing else they are good for a laugh. They are relationship maps, not scum/town indicators. If someone is talking about someone else, I connect them with the arrow pointing towards who is being talked about. The more erratic the line, the more negativity associated with it. The maps don't lean one way or another, they are a tool that shows who feels what about who, and who is talking about who. While this is all good by itself, the real fun comes when you start cross-referencing people from day to day as situations change. Also, it is useful to see how the names group up, and if there are any cliques forming. Anyone specific you want a conclusion about? | ||
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On November 26 2012 19:27 Promethelax wrote: I'd like the conclusions you feel are most important, the ones you think I should be paying attention to. Well, considering the discussion on the last 10 pages or so, the two people under the most heat right now are Toad and Hope. When I look at the three maps, it's pretty clear these guys have been in a downward spiral since the beginning of the game. Allow me to explain what I see... Hopeless didnt make it onto the d1 map, which I attribute to heavy lurking. D2 shows him with only one connection, and it is a positive relationship with Sandro (who flipped scum). Day three has him right in the middle of the map, catching heat from many different angles Toad is shown on d1 not being very active. His only connections are a scumread from Kush and a positive connection towards Kitaman. D2 has him on the opposite side of the map, suggesting he has changed his clique. He begins to attract negative attention from a few sources, and has positive connections with Kita and yourself (Prom). He was exposed as we all know on Day 3, and has been taking immense heat since then. | ||
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Clarity on day 1 has mostly positive links, although he did draw some fire from Sandroba and even a bit from syllo. D2 shows him with 95% good feedback, with his only negativity coming from a strong indicator from oats. Since he's been nominated on day 3, there hasn't been very much reaction at all. Still just positive vibes from just about everyone. Phagga was on the outside of the bubble on D1, but still had a few connections of various types here and there. This indicates playing a standard game. He stays outside the bubble on day two and has even fewer connections;a safe vote to lynch cave, trust from clarity, and a scumread on goodkarma. Day three isn't complete yet, but its shaping up to look as if Phagga will remain on the outside. He also has flipped his stance towards goodkarma. All in all, pretty neutral. Well, I guess you guys weren't happy with bringing a neutral player into the fold, so I replaced him with the safer bet, Marv. He had been extremely active, so I had a lot of sources to draw from before I eventually concluded he was trustworthy. It also helped that Oats had wanted him in his party too. On day 1, most of you guys didn't like marv. His only clear supporter was SnB. The next day was a more focused hate, coming primarily from toad, risk.nuke, and prom (intense hate from prom, actually). He also found some mainstream support from Clarity. Day 3, however, has been a completely different story. Even since he has been nominated to be in the group, there has been an overwhelming consensus to support this guy. Any other questions? | ||
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My maps will become much more useful as the game plays out. Any deductions made right now are mostly conjecture and extrapolations, but soon I'll have the keys to the kingdom. | ||
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On November 26 2012 20:47 Clarity_nl wrote: You seem to not mention Oats basically calling me scum D1, other than that that's basically how I recall the game going, yes. There's nothing wrong with summarizing information like this, Dieno, but realize that there's no real original input from you when it comes to this. You put work into it and I really appreciate that, but I would like to see you make some observations of people on your own, rather than summarize those of others. I did say that oats gave you flak on d1, maybe you just missed it And if you really think what I'm doing is just summarizing the game, then you are unfortunately misunderstanding the whole purpose. While you guys are debating each other and sifting through filters to dig up evidence for cases, I'm documenting it all. Then, I can take a step back and look for patterns and connections that you guys might miss because you are too wrapped up in what people are saying, rather than why they are saying it or who they are saying it to. Once a few more people flip, you'll be able to look back at the maps and be like, "oh snap, this guy who has been exposed as mafia has been supporting this guy all game" etc. Once one domino falls, the rest will be sure to quickly follow. I just hope I can stay alive long enough to make sure it happens. | ||
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On November 27 2012 04:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah, it makes sense. Not to call him confirmed or anything if toad flips red but it would clear him in my book. I think you are misreading what hapa wrote. He wrote that if Toad flips red, then Hopeless is town. To me this feels like a greasy move to do some damage control for the mafia. | ||
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On November 27 2012 09:03 Mementoss wrote: ...and the cutie pie Deinosore. But Dienosore had a plan to make the hovercraft go faster! He pulled some pretty pink ribbons out of his pocket and attached them to the back end. However, this did not do anything except make the party look fabulous. teehee “Marvellosity, I am so sick of you! GL HF”, shouted Clarity_Nl, as he pushed him out of the moving hovercraft. “ We will come back for you, espeically if we owe GMarshal 1000G!” Marvellosity - King Guardia XXI! has been killed! wtf clarity, y u do that | ||
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Here is my proposed group: Oats/Syllo/Keirathi Unless I missed something, we are still in 2300ad, so Robo(oats) will probably continue to be beneficial to the party. Syllo is a shoo-in based on his performances d1/d2. Keirathi has expressed his desire to be in the group so he may use his abilities and was cleared on d1 group. Any objections? Suggestions? | ||
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OHH, just read the 1.5 thing. Ok well then I retract my candidacy for this cycle. As much as I'd like to get masamune working again by winning as party leader (just a guess), I think it would be better for Oats to be in the group while it's still his era. Not sure who I want to vote yet. I think I'm going to let things simmer a touch before I place my vote this time. | ||
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Syllo/Keirathi/TheChronicler I picked TheChronicler because he's wanted to be in for a few cycles now, and because he has gained my trust through his claims. | ||
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Also, here is my daily dmg report and notable claims: + Show Spoiler + thechronicler - 150 dmg, his ability was ineffective hopeless1der - 75 dmg hapahauli - 50 dmg promethelax - 25 dmg, was roleblocked toad - got shot, but minimal dmg acrofales - negated 50 dmg to himself kitaman no sidegame thechronicler claims acro and hopeless are opposite factions | ||
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D1: Under heavy fire from Phagga/Acro. Suspected Kitaman/Phagga/Goodkarma/CaveJohnson of being scum D2: Still taking heavy fire from Promethelax. Was also suspected by Keir/Toad. Suspected CaveJohnson/Kita/Toad of being scum. D3: No longer accused as mafia by anyone. Was extra friendly towards Hapa/Syllo/Adam/Djod. Flat out calls CaveJohnson a scumlord, strongly suspects Hopeless and Acro, and calls out Kitaman as 3rd party. What can we tell from this? Well, we can safely say that Marv was convinced CaveJohnson is scum. He also was convinced Kita is 3rd party. His only real public enemy was Prome. Going to start my D4 map. I think with this much info to cross-reference, I'll finally be able to put together a pretty solid post discussing some reads. | ||
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On November 27 2012 11:04 Djodref wrote: @Dieno I'll vote for you if you take me in your party instead of TC. Do you think it could be a good time now to tell us how much damage you took yesterday ? Sure. I didn't take any damage yesterday. I assumed I was the main target of mafia KP because of the low dmg claimed compared to D1, so I didn't want to reveal to the mafia if their plan was a success or not. Thanks whoever has been protecting me! <3 | ||
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On November 27 2012 11:09 Hapahauli wrote: Oh shut the fuck up Prom. Do you have a case or will you keep up with this OMGUS stuff? Hell I misread stuff as town all the time, and apparently my play is not "good enough" simply because I missed VE's silent vote on Oats in the voting thread. So tell me - apparently you've been hiding this secret thought that I've been scum, yet you've never made a case on me, and even agreed with my case on Hopeless less than 24 hours ago. Describe to me how that's a town thought process. Just to pile a few more things onto Prome: You were literally the only person in the game still attacking him, even while you weren't even on his public scumdar. How do you explain your accusations towards Marv on d2? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Poll: Who should be the fourth member? StrongAndBig (4) TheChronicler (3) Djodref (1) Iamperfection (1) Phagga (1) VE (0) Hapahauli (0) Z-Boson (0) Promethelax (0) Clarity (0) Adam4167 (0) Acrofales (0) 10 total votes Your vote: Who should be the fourth member? (Vote): VE The first two members being Syllo/Keir, of course. If this is a bad idea, just ignore me X_x | ||
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Should we be concerned that Clarity pushed Marv out of the car, DESPITE MY BRILLIANT PINK RIBBON PLAN? | ||
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On November 27 2012 14:51 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, I've finalized my proposed party: Me, syllo, Oats, Djodref How would you feel about me as leader, and we boot out Djodref? I wouldn't mind backing you up normally, but I really think I can repair my sword if I win a challenge as the leader. | ||
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On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote: In fact, what have you DONE this game? Are you the guy who has to kill me? Risk.Nuke Day1: Suspected me of being scum. Has unexplained connection with Kitaman. Otherwise, was fairly quiet. Day 2: Suspected Syllo of being scum, accused Sandroba as scum (Sandro accused him right back), got into an argument with Kita where they both accused each other of scum. Voted to hang sandro. Otherwise, was fairly quiet. (Day2, everyone was jumping on Kita and Sandro, so to me this looks like simple bandwagoning) Day 3: Makes two safe towny calls on Syllo and Oats. After that, it's flat out scum accusations towards VE, Adam, and Acro. Otherwise, fairly quiet. Day 4: NOT MUCH OF ANYTHING. He has been cruising under the radar, jumping on the obvious wagons that have formed from time to time. He is one of the few people in the game who have had no serious incoming lines, which tells me he has been actively avoiding the spotlight. Also, what little bit of mud he has thrown has largely been on people who I've had neutral or town reads on. To me, this smells like someone just took a 27 lb scumball turkey out of the oven, stuffed it full of scum, then served it with a giant helping of scummed potatoes and gravy. | ||
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Judging by the estimated hit that marv took last night, I expect I can live through something similar, considering I also expect to get some protection to help out. While I was notified that I had Masamune to fix, I was not given instructions on how. My first instinct was to run for party leader, so I did. Since then, people who receive gifts seemed to be VERY tight lipped about it. So now that we are choosing a leader again, I would of course like to run again before I'm dead. Honestly mafia KP is going to be very hard to judge since it looks like most people have various 1 shot abilities or some type of damage mitigation. It would be dumb for me to say I'm not 100% sure I'm not going to die, so if I could get a chance to repair my sword before I croak, it would definitely be beneficial for the town (as long as you could keep me alive). | ||
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On November 28 2012 05:53 Acrofales wrote: In the game there's an entire questline devoted to fixing the sword. I suspect that if we wait long enough, we'll get Melchior to fix it. I don't know why the party and the sword are related. Dieno, do you get the feeling you should do something to fix it? Or just wait around til the game fixes it for you? I definitely don't feel like I can just sit around, regardless of whether or not the game will fix it for me. Simply, I'm afraid I wont last that long since we seem to be creeping through the story line. My only other lead so far are these ultra mysterious items. On the other hand, I'm aware I could be completely wrong about it and the item is just a potion or something dumb like that. Either way, I promise to expose what the item is and everyone gets some knowledge. So... win/win? | ||
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On November 28 2012 06:02 TheChronicler wrote: I get that, but half the reason I was voting Keir initially was so we could get the benefit of his abilities. Also, he says he has a low modifier so I wanted to get him on the team with the confirmed people. Turns out we can't do that I hadn't taken into account that marv died when I first said that. I still think Keir should be on the team so we can get the benefit of his abilities, but I don't think he needs the reward (potentially) as much as Die does. I agree with you, Keir should be on the mission. My current proposed group is Oats/Keir/Syllo | ||
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On November 28 2012 06:11 Promethelax wrote: well stop being open to suggestions. Scum must have some influence on this game. Get your butt in gear and make one town read on your own. Unless I hear the majority of people telling me to change my vote, I have chosen TheChronicler based on my town read. Why are you insisting that scum must have some influence? Are you perhaps threatened by the fact that you don't think your viewpoints aren't being heard or agreed on by the general populace? Enough so, that it makes you want to reinforce to the admitted new guy that scum are constantly lurking around, so you can verify to yourself that what you are doing is actually working? You should really stop making your anger at me because I just wont fucking die so obvious. | ||
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On November 28 2012 06:18 goodkarma wrote: This. Your relationship map and bowl should help you on your quest. + Show Spoiler + And yes. That's sarcasm. You too, GoodKarma. The way you hate me only makes it so much clearer that you are scum. My maps make it so that people can't hide from me. I would be naive to think I could catch everything with my web, but I think I do a pretty good job snagging a few flies here and there... | ||
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On November 28 2012 06:26 Promethelax wrote: I'm not even being angry bro. Not at you. But it is bad play as a town leader to ask the thread who to take with you. My point is, that all I said was that I'm open to suggestions. I wasn't asking the thread to tell me anything. If someone actually felt the need to try to sway me, I would have considered what they said as moot and instead gave them negative points for try to change my opinion. Not the best bait, I admit, but I do find it slap-my-knee funny both Prom and Cave jumped on me for it lol | ||
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On November 29 2012 02:59 goodkarma wrote: From the damage reports, I'm under the impression town has roughly 150 damage / turn at its disposal. From the flips, however, 600 HP seems to be a reasonable assumption for the amount of HP Toad has. (Following the mechanics of the actual game, I'd say he can't have any more than 999.) As such, I'd expect it to take at least 3-4 turns to kill him. And I strongly believe we'll have a chance to lynch within 1-2 turns. What? how can you possibly say for sure how much kp the town has unless you subtract mafia and 3p damage first? The only people with that kind of knowledge are mafia and 3p trolol | ||
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I'm so sorry guys. I deserve to die for this | ||
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Ty for the save, Djo. I still took a whopping 475 dmg though. | ||
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On November 29 2012 12:13 Djodref wrote: Can I also be considered almost confirmed town for it ? Just saying this so you can send me on a party anytime whithout too much doubts now. Tonight's actions have completely greened you in my book. I realize I've probably lost whatever influence I had with you guys, but I suggest the next party look something like Djo/Syllo/Oats/Clarity | ||
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Also, I really cant figure out the motivation for including me in the tent. Sure, I'm almost positively town, but I've also taken something like 900 dmg this game. I'm probably going to croak next cycle unless I get more protection, I'm not particularly good at filterdiving and hunting scum, and I've already claimed my role on D1... so why me again? | ||
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On November 30 2012 02:42 TheChronicler wrote: So I'm going to ask openly since I don't want to try and be sneaky and have it missed. I want that rollback really bad, and I need it tonight. If I get the rollback I also would really like to be on the party. My one shot ability is really good for me, and by extension town. ##lynch: toadesstern ##leader: clarity I'd propose a party of clarity, syllo, Keir, me. Order of events. Lynch toad > roll me back > tomorrow during the event my ability is used. If I'm NOT going to be on the team tomorrow I need to be told before we send in actions tomorrow. No need to say anything today. However, the sooner I'm on a team the sooner I can use my ability (if I get rolled back). This sounds like a good plan of action to me. Sound logic. Also I feel bad for shafting you... so, I'm going to throw my weight behind this movement. My only reservation is the potential pardon. If somehow toad pushes it on syllo, then idk if you guys can win the challenge a man down. | ||
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and how mad would you guys be if I were actually mafia? hahaha I'm not, but just sayin, lol K, I hope you guys try TC's plan. ##Lynch: Toad ##Leader: Clarity | ||
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Unless of course you guys think TheChronicler's ability is worth more than my death, then by all means go for it. | ||
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What if he was lying about his HP? I kinda figure I have a lot of HPs, and a blow like that wouldn't have killed me either. It would have dropped me down to relatively nothing, though. We don't seem to be getting many opportunities to lynch, so we have to be very careful how we spend these cycles. If my hunch is right and Toad is very close to dying, then it would be pretty wasteful to lynch him instead of another highly suspected scumball. (ie. Hopeless1nder?). | ||
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On December 01 2012 00:44 goodkarma wrote: Stop and think for a second: As scum: Do you seriously think that I would make a detailed list post highlighting all my reads in this game? This would give you an abundance of information if I were to flip scum, and that just isn't my scumgame... Further, that's way more effort than I put into my scum game... Seriously. Get your head out of your ass and spend a few seconds to consider the merits of my writeup. Except you fail to mention that you put that exact same list in the mason qt before you posted it here. Now, I'm not sure why you felt the need to throw all that info to the public? Giving cases on scum is fine, but copy/pasting your notepad list of reads on half of the people of the game just doesn't make sense to me... Maybe you were scared Syllo was going to expose it, and so you decided to post here in the forums before he did as a bit of damage control? | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:56 Acrofales wrote: Honestly, I think Drazerk is lying about everything he has done this game. His role sounds OP compared to mine: I haven't tried all my abilities yet, but I have not yet stumbled upon anything as powerful as the nuke Drazerk claimed to use last night. Kush had one, but it was his ONLY ability. I also only have 9 abilities and can't know what they do until I fire them. He claims 250 HP, but never takes the damage he's supposed to and doesn't die when he's supposed to. He claims to be able to nuke for retarded amounts, which don't line up with what actually hits. He doesn't hit Kita with the damage he claims he is doing. Imho one (or both) of Drazerk and Kita is lying about the damage they've been dealing to each other. Add that to the absolute weirdness of Drazerk's role and I am quite convinced Drazerk is lying. Well duh. I consider this as fact: Everything Toad says at this point is a lie and intended to misguide town. Now here I put forth case a and b. They both concern the same event. case.a On November 29 2012 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: holy crap someone shot me for 710 dmg. case.b On November 29 2012 10:22 Toadesstern wrote: Oh i really took 750 dmg but I'm pretty much immortal (again, why does every host give those roles to me? It's like the 3rd time I'm the joker in a row) so you can't really kill me. Which tells me he didn't take any dmg, hence could be why he didn't shake when I indirectly quizzed him about his hp On November 30 2012 06:10 Toadesstern wrote: I already told you, you can't kill me My HP is in the 4 digits. And well, you'll see what's going to happen after the lynch :p All of this leads back to Drazerk. The most reasonable explanation is Draz is lying and Toad is using this opportunity to make you guys think he is immortal so we have to lynch him tonight. | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:30 Acrofales wrote: Okay. I think I'm done. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgRwUW7S2s2HdHFnd1J0T2hzWmNKTmR5R2xUZ1dzNnc + Show Spoiler + Not making it editable. Last time I made my spreadsheet editable Caller played with it. If there's something wrong, let me know in the thread. Weird shit that needs explaining: Hapa heal on D3. Syllo doing damage and roleblocking on the same night. Prom claiming less damage than Syllo claimed to deal. Drazerk claiming less damage than Kita claimed to deal... twice. Kita claiming no damage when Drazerk claimed to deal it. Drazerk dealing less damage than he should have on N4. There are lots of unclaimed roleblocks. There seem to be too many protective roles and way less damage dealing roles than makes sense balance-wise. All members of the N4 party took 75 damage, so it could have been the event, or it could be scum activated to deal damage to the party. Just wanted to clarify, nothing at all happened to me day 2. No heals, no damage, nothing. Day three was when I got healed. | ||
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Also, I have good news everyone! Seems like my theories were completely wrong about masamune! I guess since I've lived to this point, it has been magically repaired! How many exclamation points can I use in one paragraph?! bad news scum balls, Frog's back in town... prepare to get slurped. | ||
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As for Slash, I said C earlier, but maybe we should consider saving our mp for a more dire situation. Marv's KISS advice sounds good here for option A. If he has no sword, then how can he hurt us? Unless of course it's a trap. Then option B fuck it starts to sound good, but then he'd most likely get the sword next turn and our battle becomes harder. Right now I'm leaning towards A, but I wont change my vote just yet. I'll wait to see what y'all think. | ||
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I'm lead to believe that Masamune isn't a 1-shot deal. Therefor, I don't think I'd be wasting it here. However, I have no idea what the mechanics behind the attack delay are, so it's possible, I guess, that I won't be able to attack Magus when he eventually pops up because I'll be "waiting for my action gauge to fill up again". Just speculation here | ||
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
ok I change my votes to Slash:A, Flea:E | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On December 01 2012 12:18 Hopeless1der wrote: + Show Spoiler + Because of the amount of effort Acro has put into the game and my belief that he has the towns best interest at heart, I am not going to 100% claim my actions in order to protect his HP information. I do not believe the information I'm withholding is valuable enough to town to justify giving scum/other 3rd parties that info. I gain vig hits equal to 2x the damage I deal to myself and untargetability as my secondary ability. N1 - 63 HP N2 - Target CJ for 126 damage N3 - # HP (withheld to prevent knowledge of Acro's HP) N4 - Target Toad N5 - I'll debate whether its worth claiming. Things to note: My target on CJ seems to have been delayed. In addition, it directly contradicts gk's claim. There is an extra 75 damage that went missing on CJ Night 3. However, my hit should have gone through Night 2, and I don't know why it didn't. I was unable to deal the amount of damage to myself that I wanted to last night. I still have a shot, its just less than I was expecting. The amount I fell short makes no sense from a percentage standpoint. It was not a round number. No heals to report. I don't want to use tech attacks for this event. I want to try taking that sword and I want Robo to attack first. ##Slash: A ##Flea: E Assuming he isn't lying, this post changes my perception of Hopeless, someone who I was sure was scum. Also it incriminates GK even further. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On December 02 2012 05:08 syllogism wrote: Strongandbig claims that he targeted you on n1 with an ability that does 250 damage to you, but at the same time increases your max hp by 300 and "heals" you by 300 (so +50 net heal). He claims that the healing aspect doesn't count as a normal heal, so you aren't informed about that. If you assume you took 300 less damage on n1, would the damage you received on n4 been enough to kill you no also, that sounds like a very fishy claim to me. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
This was my second ever mafia game and I had a blast. Good luck town! I'll see you all again soon! Greymist and co., it was a pleasure | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Good job townies! *pats on backs for EVERYONE!* | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
If they didn't send me on that silly mission with 1hp, I probably would have lived forever | ||
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