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On November 23 2012 22:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 22:39 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 22:32 Djodref wrote:On November 23 2012 22:23 marvellosity wrote:
Yeah, TheChronicler's bad plan still seems more likely it would have come from a townie to me. @marvWhat do you make on his stances on "information" ? He promotes a plan to produce more information (that was the main goal of his plan) He doesn't want iamp to publicly state his town read on Dieno He votes syllo which plan wasn't really "information producing"-like at first glance This made me think that he didn't really think about his first plan, didn't really believe in it, so I took it as a fake plan. @TheChronicler: Are you a player named ghost rider ? What is your global experience on playing mafia on forums ? I think at the time he was a well meaning but wrong townie. He pushed his idea for quite a while but eventually backed down from it when I framed it to him in a certain way. I don't really understand what he was trying to achieve as scum. He is a name no-one recognises, and if he knew how things were likely to go down or had a scumteam that did, then the plan is obviously bad, because he was never going to be listened to. I take your point that it could be "contributing to look townie", but why like that? It was so weird. I mean, maybe it's a massive double bluff and he's a super strong player playing the naive card or whatever, but I don't think so right now. I prefer the option of concerned but misguided townie who hasn't continued to shit up the thread with it for too long. @marvI'll see how he addresses my case then. As scum, I like to have bad ideas and to push them a lot. I don't really care if people tell me that's bad and that I should stop to shit up the thread with it and so on  What do you think about his vote on syllo ? I didn't like the lack of explanations for it. Regarding GK, I found that his thought process was easy to follow and I like how his campaign posts were structured. His ticket for his party was reasonable and he withdraw his candidature at a good timing. I have a town read on him so far.
Yes, agreed, but compare Mario to what went down here. TheChronicler pushed his idea, a lot of people shat on it, he pushed it some more, I basically told him to stop, and then he actually did. Whereas you went on in Mario for literally days with your setup stuff, he didn't keep going on about it forever after. See what I mean?
Actually I agree with you his vote on syllo was weird. Especially given syllo was effectively pushing the opposite campaign platform to what Chronicler was suggesting (information/openness vs total secrecy), and that he was voting him almost out of spite to Cave. I'd like to hear more from TheChronicler why he decided to vote syllo in the end.
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Just to segue back to sandroba quickly, I think what I wanna see out of him today is how/why he decides to push whoever he does. As the most popular wagon right now he doesn't have the luxury of pushing himself ;p
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When I am reading GK's filter again, he spends a lot of time discussing the party members. A LOT of time. he is repeating himself quite a bit.
Then I come to when he puts a finalized list for party members. Phagga is in there with no reasoning and no prior discussion by GK. Then he tells us that it is not a strong read. This seems like he is just setting himself away from phagga should town lynch/phagga dies and flips scum. Really suspicious. He also picks dien which is basically the opposite from phagga, not a lurker and he didnt scum hunt yet IIRC.
Scum would do this because he knows that dien is town and could still pull out a event win due to his claim even though him and phagga are scum.
Conclusion, he has not really done anything in terms of reads other than some really uncertain reads on his party members. But he is posting a lot, so he is trying to fake being town by asking questions even though those questions dont really lead to any more information.
His final party selection is really odd as Djo was more active than phagga and didnt scumhunt too IIRC, dien was also not in his criteria for picking party members.. trying to shoehorn in a scum with faulty reasoning which no one really picked up on at the time
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got sniped by acro posting to not post until Dien posted. oops 
Sandroba I think has the burden of proving other people scum/himself innocent.
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Oats, your analysis relies heavily on other peoples alignment to prove his guilt. That is generally a bad way to go about making a case until we actually flip a scum.
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Heavily like phagga is scum?
Do you think that his other 2 candidates fit his criteria of semi-lurky and scumhunty? Because thats what I feel is odd.
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On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote:
In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without. I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern. I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns)Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well. I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane). My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have. Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). Now to read what I've missed. He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3)
kita, I'd like you to expand on some things here. As you seem to know, Drazerk lies/trolls/does dumb stuff as either alignment, seemingly for his own amusement.
Nothing you've written here about him seems particularly alignment indicative for him, so why do you think he makes a good lynch? What makes him particularly scum rather than deranged townie?
Also, you say you "are still in favour of a sandroba lynch". I cannot find elsewhere you saying that you were in favour of a sandroba lynch, this looks like the first mention of it. As an oldschool player you should have some significant insight into his play, but there's none here. Explain yourself, please. Your whole post is very lazy indeed.
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Hey thread I'm at the airport
Flying to visit my old college roommate in Britain
I'll post as much as I can but idk how consistent wifi ill have
Plz not to kill me like last time I went on vacation - that's the only time I've ever been mostly chef an I'd rather not repeat it
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Mislay niches
And I'll be back on monday
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Mislynched
Damn you autocorrect
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I'm voting Sandra I don't Luke his ignoring Sylvia case yestersay
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On November 23 2012 23:28 strongandbig wrote:
I'm voting Sandra I don't Luke his ignoring Sylvia case yestersay
So you get to not be present in this game but not sandro ??
What the fuck with the double standards ?
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On November 23 2012 23:29 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 23:28 strongandbig wrote:
I'm voting Sandra I don't Luke his ignoring Sylvia case yestersay So you get to not be present in this game but not sandro ?? What the fuck with the double standards ?
it just means we'll hold him to a higher standard when he gets back.
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I might have sounded angry but I honestly think that this sandroba wagon is pretty stupid. Nobody really brings an original argument and is sheeping syllo ">50% chance that sandro is mafia" and/or basically lynching a lurker with contributions.
It's the perfect situation for the mafia to mislynch sandro if he is town, not contribute, blend in. I don't like how this D2 starts at all.
For example, risk.nuke dropping in the thread and casting his vote against sandro with his "waiting for sandro to participate to switch my vote to ..." without even giving any alternatives. Fuck this kind of attitude !
FoS risk.nuke
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lol when I was reading a mafia thread for the first time, I thought that FoS was full of shit :D
@Djo, since you dont think sandro is mafia, and the some of the people that voted for sandro are mafia,
Why do you think that risk.nuke is the scummiest out of all the votes?
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On November 23 2012 23:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol when I was reading a mafia thread for the first time, I thought that FoS was full of shit :D
@Djo, since you dont think sandro is mafia, and the some of the people that voted for sandro are mafia,
Why do you think that risk.nuke is the scummiest out of all the votes?
Because I hate lurkers lynching lurkers. Sandro doesn't get to be inactive for the only reason that town sandro is supposed to be imb4 and figure out the whole scumteam d2. But dropping by and casting a vote against him and go back to lurk land seems to be ok for themselves. They don't smell their own shit !
Regarding Risk.nuke, he stated that he is familiar with sandro and syllo but he has failed to bring in any original reasons for his vote. I'm expecting more from him. That's all...
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I really dont see a strong reasoning other than your own bias.. Sandro has quite a filter that we can analyse and is not a coin flip whether mafia/town. For example if BioSC was lynched right now, if he is town, we killed a town. If he is mafia , we got lucky.
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It's not Sand's sudden inactiveness (although it's not helping him). It's him not sharing any strong reads when he's running for election, yet demanding it of others.
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EBWOP: In my Looney game, sandro was town and he has been inactive for the whole D1 (it was a 96 hours D1 by the way) and almost got mislynched for it. And I think he also got mislynched in another game as town for being inactive. Not sure of the last thing though...
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On November 23 2012 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont see a strong reasoning other than your own bias.. Sandro has quite a filter that we can analyse and is not a coin flip whether mafia/town. For example if BioSC was lynched right now, if he is town, we killed a town. If he is mafia , we got lucky.
From what Bio has posted, does anything give you indications he's town? Any thought process or stance?
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