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Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 23 2012 04:49 GMT
#1821
I'm going to do another relationship map tonight, then cross reference it with the old one to see if I can pick up any patterns. Hopefully I can get a better quality picture up so you guys can actually see it this time.

Also, why has this thread slowed down so much Everyone eat too much for thanksgiving or something? lol. Pehaps you are ... digesting... all the info I just dropped? lol x2
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 23 2012 04:53 GMT
#1822
On November 23 2012 13:49 Dienosore wrote:
I'm going to do another relationship map tonight, then cross reference it with the old one to see if I can pick up any patterns. Hopefully I can get a better quality picture up so you guys can actually see it this time.

Also, why has this thread slowed down so much Everyone eat too much for thanksgiving or something? lol. Pehaps you are ... digesting... all the info I just dropped? lol x2


+ Show Spoiler +
I was about to give you minus GreYMisT points for that pun, but I realize that might be a bit hard to swallow right now.

Make sure you don't bite off more than you can chew.
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 23 2012 04:56 GMT
#1823
On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:
I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well.

I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef


I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane).

My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have.


Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask).

Now to read what I've missed.


I didn't pay a lot of attention to CJ because I thought he was trolling for some reason when he told us to shot the newbies.
I think that the part in bold font in his claim is utter bullshit. Does anybody know his success modifier factor ?
I bet that even mafia players don't know their own...

Anyway, CJ is trolling, obviously making shit up, which indicate that he doesn't care about the town. I understand that he is going to be anti-town and be disruptive anyway if he is indeed drazerk.

I think he is our best lynch for today. I would still like to hear more about BioSC though.

##Unvote
##Vote: CaveJohnson

syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 23 2012 04:57 GMT
#1824
Phew, that was pretty stressful
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 23 2012 04:57 GMT
#1825
T_T

Plz don't distract me from getting to the meat of our problems. I've been consumed by them all day, so I can't really stomach any more derailment.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 23 2012 05:01 GMT
#1826
On November 23 2012 13:57 syllogism wrote:
Phew, that was pretty stressful


@syllo

god job syllo. I would have picked up Oats and Dieno as well but not Keirathi (Clarity instead of him). Could you tell us more about the choice of Keir for your party ?
Did you take any damage ?
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 23 2012 05:02 GMT
#1827
CaveJohnson is also my leading candidate for lynch. I'll build a proper case for this when I finish the map, but I can say right now that I think I have some pretty incriminating evidence.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 23 2012 05:05 GMT
#1828
I took 50 damage.

I'm going back to bed, but very briefly him suggesting that his modifier is likely low was something that probably makes people less likely pick him. He also pointed out the fact that if parties are announced in public, mafia has easier time choosing who to support and that was a pretty towny observation and something that occurred to me as well. In addition he wasn't afraid of asking me and sandro whether we thought he was suspicious.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 23 2012 07:50 GMT
#1829
I havn't started on the map yet, but here are some talking points I whipped up that might get this thread moving again. I fear I have limited time left in this game, so I can't afford all of you to go afk on me now.


- I have a strong GreYMisT read that tells me I might be heavily responsible for the success of our mission. I'd imagine I get a little bit extra influence for being a hero anyway, and then even more on top of that for being in the party during the proper time period. We shouldn't assume anyone in the party is not scum because I could just be pulling their weight.

That being said, I see no reason to change as long as we keep winning our events. I maintain we leave things be and try to fit the lore as best as possible.

This means that we should have a serious discussion on whether or not it would be benificial for Robo to roleclaim sometime on the next cycle. If my theory is correct, you should be traveling to the future soon. Having Robo in the squad during this time might be the key to winning the challenge. This may prompt the Mafia to do a false claim, so be highly critcal of anyone who steps up.

- Kitaman27's guessing game indicates to me the presense of a third party who gets this ability every lynching. I also suspect that this is a one-hit-ko type of deal to a regular towny.

I think I've picked up on another 3rd party who does a 100dmg spread in 20s to 5 people. Either that or CaveJohnson can deflect dmg (check roleclaim)

- There are three big hidden factors that I don't think anyone has tried to figure out yet that concerns Mafia killing power;their numbers/hp/kp. I'm guessing each mafia game is pretty similar in this regard? Does anyone with more experience have any input?

- Thanksgiving gives lurking mafia the perfect excuse as to why they have been lurking. I'm not saying everyone who said this is lying, but I have a hunch at least one person is using it as a cover.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 23 2012 08:33 GMT
#1830
Thanks for the huge post Dien!!
This is really been a change from the start in your posting :D
I am not afk, but there has been nothing to talk about . Europeans are just waking up so we should see some stuff soon.

1. What do you think about the damage done to you and marv?
Do the people that take damage indicate a certain alignment?
2. About the Cave Johnson roleclaim. I think that it is extremely sloppily done, not a lot of specific stuff.. I think that it should be looked into more closely.
I would also like to know what the mafia/3rd party numbers were from previous 25 player games. HP and KP i think are really hard to get with only 1 cycle of information
No gg, No skill.
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 23 2012 08:55 GMT
#1831
On November 23 2012 11:10 Dienosore wrote:
First of all, I'd like to congratulate the town for passing our first event! I believe my presence weighted heavily on our success rate, seeing as this was my era, so hats off to Syllo for having enough wisdom to bring me along. I believe I have been marked for death by the scumlords (I took 445 dmg during the night). I'm not dead yet, but I'm trapped in a corner and my back is against the wall. I feel my only option now is to come completely clean, tell my story, and hopefully set up the groundworks for a towny victory:

As soon as I got my PM saying I was Frog, I realized I would be in an early position of influence. Originally I wanted to be leader, since I thought it might give our group some sort of extra powers. This was the reason I was very forward and pushy about getting leadership. I was completely ignored (and rightfully so, now that I look back at it).

So, I started playing for the second best thing: a spot in the group. In order to do this, I decided to roleclaim. I believe this was the only sure-fire way I could get into the group, so I went ahead and took the chance. I knew the target I painted on myself was huge, but I felt as if I had enough HP to at least survive the night. (I loled quietly to myself when someone said Lagos had 999 hp) I also wanted to draw the fire away from helpless townys who I believed might only have 50 hp.

Also, since I knew I was going to be taking a TON of heat anyway, I started making hard scumreads and openly confronting the accused. I hoped to use my very public position to hopefully shine the light on scum, where others might have been more reserved in their cases. Well, I must have rattled some cages, because I ended up taking a fuckload of dmg.

I do not want to give out my max HP, but lets just say another hit like that would cripple me. If you have any protection or healing powers, please help out your friendly town frog! <3

Additionally, I want to use this opportunity to provide myself as a safe contact. If you want to organize some sort of town circle, please get in touch with me somehow. I know PM's aren't allowed in this game, so we will have to figure out some other way to communicate outside of the thread. I know there is always the chance of a Mafia infiltration, so I will be EXTRAORDINARILY critical of anyone who expresses interest in grouping up. The Mafia has already organized, and has probably been following a plan for a full cycle now. We cannot wait any longer.

Thanks~


regarding the bolded, it might very well be that you were just hit with a shitton of damage because you claimed a potentially very powerfull role.

just saying.

Also, you are really cute. It's refreshing to read your posts, although I don't always agree with everything in it.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 23 2012 08:57 GMT
#1832
1. I think I was a blatantly obvious target. No surprise that I took so much damage;in fact I was kind of counting on it to protect our regular townies from getting popped day 1. Not sure yet why Marv got roleblocked and 200 dmg'd. Maybe it was just an attempt to gimp a strong towny? 200 damage seems like a lot to me coming from just one source though, so maybe the mafia split between us. Or 3rd party, who knows.

I'm pretty sure the mafia wouldn't shoot themselves in this situation

2. Yeah I didn't really believe it either after it happened. He did it at a weird time and for no real reason, then even said something a few posts later about lieing to bait out reactions. (different topic i think, but still fishy that he'd say something like that right after claiming)


After comparing some numbers, I'm going go postulate that a regular mafia is sitting around 200 hp. I'm also going to speculate that a regular mafia can do 25 damage each, except for the scumlords who can do more. As for their numbers, the dmg output is showing about 8-10 scumbags running around.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 23 2012 09:05 GMT
#1833
Huh 10 scum is really a bit to high I think, the accepted ratio is 3 town to 1 scum right?
i think maybe 5-6 scum, 16-17 town and 3-4 3rd party. maybe.
No gg, No skill.
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 23 2012 09:05 GMT
#1834
My list with reads on everyone has one person painted in bright red: CaveJohnson. That's were my vote goes for now.

However, my list is not up to date. I will try to go through several filters and update it, so I might make a more definite vote before Kita has to make his prediction.

People who are also red in my list:

- Goodkarma, although I REALLY have to go through his filter now. Have not done that yet.
- BioSC, lurking hardcore although he was very excited pregame, as someone mentioned

Other people I want to look into/know more about:

- Sandroba, I read his filter yesterday. I want to hear more from him and what he says about the current accusations
- Hopeless1der, I have "looks shady, check filter" note on him, but I don't know why anymore. Will clear this up.

##Vote CaveJohnson
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 23 2012 09:11 GMT
#1835
On November 23 2012 17:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thanks for the huge post Dien!!
This is really been a change from the start in your posting :D
I am not afk, but there has been nothing to talk about . Europeans are just waking up so we should see some stuff soon.

1. What do you think about the damage done to you and marv?
Do the people that take damage indicate a certain alignment?
2. About the Cave Johnson roleclaim. I think that it is extremely sloppily done, not a lot of specific stuff.. I think that it should be looked into more closely.
I would also like to know what the mafia/3rd party numbers were from previous 25 player games. HP and KP i think are really hard to get with only 1 cycle of information


@Oats

Congrats for the success of the event ! The town read I had on you is now straightened

1. I think that some mafia members are going to lie about the damage they have taken. Giving wrong and unreliable information (we cannot check if they lie or not) is going to create confusion for the town. Keep in mind that town members or third party players are likely to cause some damage as well.
2. About CJ claim, what do you think about him claiming his specific success modifier factor and adding the fact that it is low ?

I don't think that any comparison with previous games is going to be relevant because this game is heavily themed
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
November 23 2012 09:14 GMT
#1836
People who vote for me don't want to vote for scum - It happens every game just see what you can get from the lynch information afterwards - I'm out for a few hours toodaloo.
Mafia smurf
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 23 2012 09:16 GMT
#1837
I think that yeah it is totally fake on that because it was clearly stated in the OP that each player has a HIDDEN number assigned to them.
I dont know why he would fake it though :/
No gg, No skill.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 23 2012 09:28 GMT
#1838
I briefly entertained the idea that he claimed low success modifier to try and sucker syllo into putting him on the team as an "obvious" towny. Or maybe he is just disappointed about being a chef.

idk i can't honestly see a reason why he would claim anything, especially in such a foolhearty way, other than to offer himself up for the first necking.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 23 2012 09:28 GMT
#1839
I suppose I can mention that I received a useful gift tonight, in case someone claims something later and I'm not around to confirm. Also I recommend listening to chrono trigger soundtrack while reading the thread.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 23 2012 09:47 GMT
#1840
I am entirely opposed to troll(CaveJohnson) hunting at present. I am not as confident as some seem to be that, based off his current anti-town dialogue, he has demonstrated he in fact is mafia.


On the other hand, if Sandroba's meta (as stated by others here) is to be believed, he is a clear choice as a lynching candidate for today. He has gone into hardcore lurker mode, which normally is something I wouldn't consider a tell. However, as a player of his reputation that plays so well as town to disappear as he has, I deem voting to lynch him appropriate. I would like to hear what he has to say to explain his current complete lack of caring since very early this game. And until he does:

##Vote: Sandroba
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