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Keirathi
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On November 25 2012 18:38 Clarity_nl wrote: I disagree with that argument Djo because our medic roles also have an easier time deciding who to protect. This. | ||
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On November 26 2012 02:18 Djodref wrote: @marv When I look as my table with the different damage claims for today, I could say that the mafia went for a Dieno kill. Could you help me to assess iamp alignment ? iamp isn't acting anything like his town meta, and I agree with you that no rational town player would have healed him. But its possible there are other explanations, so it doesn't damn him to being scum. | ||
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Keirathi
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On November 26 2012 02:31 risk.nuke wrote: Yes but generally people assume I have extra knowledge and this is how they tend to react (pickyourpoison) And CJ has the right of it. If acro is 1-shot he should had claimed immediately. And he did not push toad very hard. While I would normally agree with this, since today isn't a lynch day and we can do nothing about Toad today, I don't think its unreasonable to think he would have waited until tomorrow. In fact, I would have expected both of them to wait until tomorrow. THAT'S what I find weird. | ||
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On November 26 2012 02:36 Hopeless1der wrote: That doesn't sound like your super convinced toad is scum =\ What you quoted was in response to a question from Djo. It made sense in context, but if you're just looking through risk's filter, I guess you could take it as that. He said this a bit before though: On November 26 2012 00:04 risk.nuke wrote: Toad is definitely scum. Two players claiming copchecks. And sandroba had the framebus and he was roleblocked (unless he lied). As to your question, there is no failsafe way to kill him except dayvigs/lynch. | ||
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On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote: He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering) He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day. | ||
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Keirathi
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On November 26 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote: My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle. Yea, but that's my point. He checked Sandro against TOAD? Why? What purpose did that serve? Why not against Dieno, the claimed Frog? Or against syllo, the person calling sandro scum and the direct counterwagon to sandro's leadership? | ||
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On November 26 2012 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Let me be devils advocate for a minute. Is it possible he just had a feeling about Toad and since it looked like Sandro would be lynched the following day it would be an easy way to check out Toad? Yes, it's possible. But, imagine for a minute that you are a Parity Cop. You check two people, and your result tells you that they are the same alignment. Even for mildly suspicious people, its a stretch to believe that you investigated two scum. The most likely (probability wise) explanation is that you checked two townies. | ||
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On November 26 2012 03:21 syllogism wrote: I think those may potentially affect mission success, but in the end best and most likely design is based primarily on mafia being included in the team. I do not think a mission can fail if there is no mafia included; that kind of hidden mechanics are simply not fun. The only possible, and still unfun, exception I can see would be some kind of one-shot mafia ability, but I think they would have used that on n1. In fact, I think the speculation revolving around whether we should include claimed characters or players with matching time period flavor is also misguided (dienosore and oats should be included because they were on a successful day 1 mission, although the roles do not hurt). So, in short, ignore hp/roles, unless the claims themselves make someone more likely to be town. I'm not sure I totally agree with that part. I am a 600 AD character, and therefore me being in the party night 1 granted me some useful bonuses. Dieno said he had a bonus night 1 that increased party chance of success (I believe?). The bonuses are generally pretty useful, I think. I'm not necessarily saying that we should always have someone claim the time period so that we can put them intot he group, but I see no reason to not put someone that we have a town read on AND its their time period into the group, just for the bonuses. | ||
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Keirathi
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On November 26 2012 03:27 risk.nuke wrote: You made no argument, you simply rephrased what I said as an evil plot to exclude you from the party. We have no ideas how easy/hard it is to win a mission. Right now the general assumption is just that if one party member is mafia the party fails. But that doesn't make sense because then HMS would be useless. No it's not useless. For instance, I think the probable scenario is something like this: Normal Townies: 100 HMS High HMS Townies: 250 HMS Low HMS Townies: 40 HMS Normal Mafia: -300 HMS When the mission starts, if the total HMS value of the group is > 0, the event is successful. (These are obviously just made up numbers. Just an example for context.) | ||
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On November 26 2012 03:31 Dienosore wrote: I thought the general assumption was that my hidden modifier was boosted due to matching my role with the correct time period, enough so that I could potentially carry even if scum was on the team. Does your role PM say anything about it being boosted if you're in the party during your era? Mine doesn't, although I do get other bonuses when I'm in the party during my era. | ||
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On November 26 2012 03:55 TheChronicler wrote: I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team. So your ability costs gold. But you haven't gained any gold, nor do you know how to, but you got to use it? :o I'm confused. | ||
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On November 26 2012 06:49 Promethelax wrote: there is town kp flying around. Why not make people aware of scum in our midst? I don't get this at all Keir. While we don't have a lynch we do have other abilities which we can use to eliminate scum players. I guess you have a point. I wasn't really thinking about town abilities like kush had that can just flat-out kill someone. I can't really imagine there are a ton of those floating around though. But, things like Robo's 50 damage per night, or a town ability that does 200 damage, or whatever would be pointless to use on someone like Toad. I mean, I only have 3 reference points (mine, kush's, and sandro's), but those kind of abilities aren't likely to result in a kill. Therefore when we lynch scum, all the damage we did to him before he gets lynched is just wasted abilities. | ||
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##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On November 26 2012 07:31 phagga wrote: Why? Scum would benefit in this situation when the thread derails/new candidates are brought forths, so I don't see the scum motivation in doing what GK did. Yes, I believe he is saying "how is doing that a null read, rather than a town read?" | ||
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On November 26 2012 07:47 Hassybaby wrote: No seriously, when's the voting supposed to end? ~24 hours. | ||
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On November 26 2012 07:52 Promethelax wrote: @8:00 kst tomorrow, almost exactly 24 hours So, so slow. I kid, I kid  | ||
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On November 26 2012 09:06 marvellosity wrote: That's a reasonable doubt imo, given the OP states the number is hidden, and my role PM says nothing about my hidden success number. Overall I think town makes the most sense but I really want to know why he's so eager not to be brought on the mission. The issue isn't whether it's reasonable to doubt my claim. You'll notice that I didn't jump on him for questioning me about it when he first asked the question. The issue is that TODAY, he's been saying it wouldn't be a good idea to take him to the party. The insinuation is that he, himself, has some kind of modifier to party success today. Which makes him questioning me about it on day 1 fishy as fuck. | ||
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On November 26 2012 09:31 marvellosity wrote: I'm assuming 3rd party because of the OP. 5 man mafia team would make the most sense numbers-wise (if this were a normal i'd absolutely expect 5), but because of the setup it could be skewed one way or another, it's pretty hard to tell. Really? I would have expected 6, if this were a normal game. I thought 3:1 ratio was the norm. | ||
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