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On November 28 2012 08:04 Djodref wrote:
Disclaimer: Dieno is already taken care of !
It looks like Dieno is a serious contender for the title of party leader today. I don't want people to waste heals or protections on him because I have already used a retroactive ability on him which totally protects him. I have already saved him during the second cycle I believe. So now you are free to use your abilities on someone else ^^ I aslo would like Dieno to consider taking me instead of TC on his party because I'm not fully trusting TC yet (hence my vote on Keirathi) but I'm not going to fight for it because Dieno's party is likely to succeed already imo.
For what it's worth I also would prefer you to TC. But both of you are strong town reads for me atm.
Is this another fake claim btw? If so, I approve.
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@Djo:
While you're here:
StrongandBig is scum. Please discuss.
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On November 28 2012 08:29 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 08:12 goodkarma wrote:
@Djo:
While you're here:
StrongandBig is scum. Please discuss. I'm not here I have to go to work. I was catching up with the thread after my morning shower and stuff... I have never claimed anything. I lied about the usage an ability that I could still have  (hint: I cannot shoot anybody in fact) and I've managed to force iamp and Adam to participate. I really liked both their reactions and I'm not wooried about them anymore. It's not the case for S&B and VE. In our last game, S&B started to do some real townie stuff when he was on the verge of being lynched. My view on him right now is that he can and have to do better if he is town. But I don't have a strong scum read on him. Null for me atm. My problem is that I don't know how to force them to participate more. And, seriously, you can totally trust Dieno to me. This ability is for real. I didn't breadcrumb but you can see some hint in my filter for my D2 save.
Don't worry about the lurkers. All you can do is encourage them to participate.
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On November 28 2012 08:48 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 08:01 goodkarma wrote:On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote:hey guys just caught up with teh threadzor so correct me if i'm wrong but we're picking dienosore to be party leader because he might get masamune? keirathi do you think it would help you at all to be the party leader instead of a party follower? also i think that hopeless is scum even though it turns out acro is 3p - some of the things that hopeless has done since being checked seem to me like scum in desperation like the whole thing about being on a party - this and hapa's thing and the chronicler all have done it - like i said to hapa before, i'm suspicious of anyone who says "put me in the party" instead of just relying on their townieness to be self-evident or whatever, because scum might have more information than we do and they might be starting to really want us to fail a mission some other stuff: On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote:I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves: - Syllogism
- Keirathi
- Dienosore
- Clarity_nl
This could very well be the party that runs today's event. Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: KeirathiAlso, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. like, seriously - what is the point of saying that last bit... then there's the fact that his response to a red check from tc was "bring it bitches" like, he answers the whole case point by point and then he doesn't address the check itself... tc's long case post was actually pretty bad, but after hopeless went through the case and answered it point by point, instead of actually addressing the dt check, he's just like "bring it" - that doesn't feel very town to me then there's this "im untargetable tonight" thing. i don't understand what he's trying to head off here - townies would use negative abilities on toad, and scum would use negative abilities on pretty much anyone other than h1 or toad. the only thing that seems likely to hit h1 is maybe another dt check, so i don't see how him making himself untargetable or telling us he's untargetable are helpful to town This case is pretty bad. The singlemindedness with which you push hopeless without any thought for how he could have town motivations for his actions is pretty suspicious... what are you talking about, what singlemindedness? this is like the first time i've talked about hopeless... i mean, disagree with my case if you want, but how am i being singleminded or scummy here?
I'll make a definitive case on you yet today. Just don't lurk too hard in the meantime.
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On November 28 2012 09:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 08:01 goodkarma wrote:On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote:hey guys just caught up with teh threadzor so correct me if i'm wrong but we're picking dienosore to be party leader because he might get masamune? keirathi do you think it would help you at all to be the party leader instead of a party follower? also i think that hopeless is scum even though it turns out acro is 3p - some of the things that hopeless has done since being checked seem to me like scum in desperation like the whole thing about being on a party - this and hapa's thing and the chronicler all have done it - like i said to hapa before, i'm suspicious of anyone who says "put me in the party" instead of just relying on their townieness to be self-evident or whatever, because scum might have more information than we do and they might be starting to really want us to fail a mission some other stuff: On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote:I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves: - Syllogism
- Keirathi
- Dienosore
- Clarity_nl
This could very well be the party that runs today's event. Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: KeirathiAlso, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. like, seriously - what is the point of saying that last bit... then there's the fact that his response to a red check from tc was "bring it bitches" like, he answers the whole case point by point and then he doesn't address the check itself... tc's long case post was actually pretty bad, but after hopeless went through the case and answered it point by point, instead of actually addressing the dt check, he's just like "bring it" - that doesn't feel very town to me then there's this "im untargetable tonight" thing. i don't understand what he's trying to head off here - townies would use negative abilities on toad, and scum would use negative abilities on pretty much anyone other than h1 or toad. the only thing that seems likely to hit h1 is maybe another dt check, so i don't see how him making himself untargetable or telling us he's untargetable are helpful to town This case is pretty bad. The singlemindedness with which you push hopeless without any thought for how he could have town motivations for his actions is pretty suspicious... You feel like soft-defending H1? How about you hard-defend him instead. What the hell has h1 done that is in ANY way REMOTELY in town's best interest?
So apparently pro-town = town, and anti-town = scum??? O.O
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On November 28 2012 09:29 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 09:26 goodkarma wrote:On November 28 2012 09:20 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 08:01 goodkarma wrote:On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote:hey guys just caught up with teh threadzor so correct me if i'm wrong but we're picking dienosore to be party leader because he might get masamune? keirathi do you think it would help you at all to be the party leader instead of a party follower? also i think that hopeless is scum even though it turns out acro is 3p - some of the things that hopeless has done since being checked seem to me like scum in desperation like the whole thing about being on a party - this and hapa's thing and the chronicler all have done it - like i said to hapa before, i'm suspicious of anyone who says "put me in the party" instead of just relying on their townieness to be self-evident or whatever, because scum might have more information than we do and they might be starting to really want us to fail a mission some other stuff: On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote:I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves: - Syllogism
- Keirathi
- Dienosore
- Clarity_nl
This could very well be the party that runs today's event. Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: KeirathiAlso, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. like, seriously - what is the point of saying that last bit... then there's the fact that his response to a red check from tc was "bring it bitches" like, he answers the whole case point by point and then he doesn't address the check itself... tc's long case post was actually pretty bad, but after hopeless went through the case and answered it point by point, instead of actually addressing the dt check, he's just like "bring it" - that doesn't feel very town to me then there's this "im untargetable tonight" thing. i don't understand what he's trying to head off here - townies would use negative abilities on toad, and scum would use negative abilities on pretty much anyone other than h1 or toad. the only thing that seems likely to hit h1 is maybe another dt check, so i don't see how him making himself untargetable or telling us he's untargetable are helpful to town This case is pretty bad. The singlemindedness with which you push hopeless without any thought for how he could have town motivations for his actions is pretty suspicious... You feel like soft-defending H1? How about you hard-defend him instead. What the hell has h1 done that is in ANY way REMOTELY in town's best interest? So apparently pro-town = town, and anti-town = scum??? O.O Dafuq you talking about. You attack SnB over having a bad case. While I don't find his case particularly convincing, I don't see any motivation for your soft defense of H1. Enlighten us.
Calm your nipples. I'm working on my case now...
As a side note, though: speculating on Greymist's counter is pointless. If I were Greymist, I'd leave the counter at one for three days just to fuck with us.
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On November 28 2012 09:32 strongandbig wrote:
i wasn't really trying to make a whole case
it's just that the way hopeless responded to having a red check on him (back when a lot of people thought acro was town) didn't seem to me like how a townie would respond
So how would it be different then? How, in your opinion, would a townie have responded to hopeless's situation?
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My strongandbig read was in fact in large part due to activity, in addition to the incomplete cases / reads he was bringing up. I was unaware, however, of the severe lack of internet he was experiencing, and will back off of him for now...
In its place I provide a mafia (the game) favorite, a scum suspect shortlist:
1) Iamp - I have a good "gut feel" about this guy I guess you could say. But he still has yet to contribute anything meaningful, which earns him a spot here. Would be willing to give him more time to see if his roleclaim checks out.
2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read...
3) phagga - Need to reread his filter at some point (but not something I'm focusing on today). He has been pro-town in his contributions, but I can't help but feel he is also "playing it safe" and doing what he can to fly under the radar...
4) Adam - lurker who might need to be shot too.
5) Kita - I'm inclined to believe Marv's read of 3rd party
6) Cave - This guy won't be figured out without getting vigi killed. Shoot first, ask questions later...
7) Z-boson - From my experience with him, he likes to play pretty safe as scum, whereas as town he is rather reckless to the point of being pretty easy to mislynch. He definitely is making his own reads and contributing to thread, but all his reads I would call "safe" ones in that he is targeting almost exclusively lurkers... Null read atm, even after looking into filter.
8) Prox - Tbh I don't know what to do with him. Syllo's input is definitely appreciated, but I don't see him as a strong scum read (closer to null...).
9) Strong - I had a strong scum read based both off meta and on filter. However, with meta differences explained, I'm inclined to give him more of a chance to establish himself as town before coming to conclusions.
10) Toad - Scum
11) Hopeless (maybe) - clearly anti-town, but I'm still not convinced that he's scum. Would even go so far as to say slight town read...
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I know people hate lists, but honestly establishing town is just as important, if not moreso, than finding scum this game. So I have less of a problem with lists.
My current conclusions:
1) Vigi shoot VE, Cave, and maybe Adam (in that order).
2) Kita probably is 3rd party...
3) Rolecheck Prox. if possible...
4) Toad = scum...
And in case you were wondering, I would say that everyone not on that list is town at this point...
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On November 28 2012 10:03 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 09:57 goodkarma wrote:
2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read...
And i cant believe you said something like this im gonna have to go through your entire filter when i have time
That might be the first productive thing you've done all game...
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On November 28 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 09:57 goodkarma wrote:
My strongandbig read was in fact in large part due to activity, in addition to the incomplete cases / reads he was bringing up. I was unaware, however, of the severe lack of internet he was experiencing, and will back off of him for now...
In its place I provide a mafia (the game) favorite, a scum suspect shortlist:
1) Iamp - I have a good "gut feel" about this guy I guess you could say. But he still has yet to contribute anything meaningful, which earns him a spot here. Would be willing to give him more time to see if his roleclaim checks out.
2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read...
3) phagga - Need to reread his filter at some point (but not something I'm focusing on today). He has been pro-town in his contributions, but I can't help but feel he is also "playing it safe" and doing what he can to fly under the radar...
4) Adam - lurker who might need to be shot too.
5) Kita - I'm inclined to believe Marv's read of 3rd party
6) Cave - This guy won't be figured out without getting vigi killed. Shoot first, ask questions later...
7) Z-boson - From my experience with him, he likes to play pretty safe as scum, whereas as town he is rather reckless to the point of being pretty easy to mislynch. He definitely is making his own reads and contributing to thread, but all his reads I would call "safe" ones in that he is targeting almost exclusively lurkers... Null read atm, even after looking into filter.
8) Prox - Tbh I don't know what to do with him. Syllo's input is definitely appreciated, but I don't see him as a strong scum read (closer to null...).
9) Strong - I had a strong scum read based both off meta and on filter. However, with meta differences explained, I'm inclined to give him more of a chance to establish himself as town before coming to conclusions.
10) Toad - Scum
11) Hopeless (maybe) - clearly anti-town, but I'm still not convinced that he's scum. Would even go so far as to say slight town read... ya don't listen to this at all shoot the scum
And which scum exactly would you propose we shoot then?
All the people I proposed have a decent chance of flipping scum.
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On November 28 2012 10:10 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 10:07 goodkarma wrote:On November 28 2012 10:03 iamperfection wrote:On November 28 2012 09:57 goodkarma wrote:
2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read...
And i cant believe you said something like this im gonna have to go through your entire filter when i have time That might be the first productive thing you've done all game... Care to explain in what universe that it would be good idea that you think its a good idea to shoot ve if you think he is more likely to be town.
He is gone. Absent. Nonpresent. I actually don't know much about his meta outside of what I've heard of his reputation here, so that was speculation. He could be town. He could be scum. But come endgame, there's no way of knowing. Therefore, he has to go.
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@VE:
How the hell was I supposed to know you were actually coming back to post more than one-liners? Saying and doing are two very different things...
Now that you've decided to show up, yeah. Let's not shoot you.
Cave and Adam are people I stand by vigi shooting though.
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On November 28 2012 10:21 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 10:20 Hapahauli wrote:On November 28 2012 10:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 28 2012 10:17 Hapahauli wrote:I think you highlighted the wrong thing VE 2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read... ^ That's pretty damn scummy right there. Yeah well - Kush proved that town say stupid as fuck things EXACTLY LIKE THAT in Liquid City so I subtracted that particular nonsense from the equation. It's scummy, but town say that shit too. I was focused more on the association it implied with SnB. Goodkarma is a good town player. He isn't Kush, or even close to that. Good to know. So that actually IS really scummy. Noted.
Correction: I'm a good town player when I don't drink while playing. I'm going to take a break from thread, and play damage control tomorrow.
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Okay. To address some of the concerns brought up yesterday:
On November 28 2012 20:32 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 06:37 goodkarma wrote:On November 28 2012 06:25 Dienosore wrote:On November 28 2012 06:11 Promethelax wrote:On November 28 2012 06:09 Dienosore wrote:
Fuck, I keep forgetting Oats can't be in it... I remember now that I said TheChronicler earlier, but honestly I'm open to all suggestions. well stop being open to suggestions. Scum must have some influence on this game. Get your butt in gear and make one town read on your own. Unless I hear the majority of people telling me to change my vote, I have chosen TheChronicler based on my town read. Why are you insisting that scum must have some influence? Are you perhaps threatened by the fact that you don't think your viewpoints aren't being heard or agreed on by the general populace? Enough so, that it makes you want to reinforce to the admitted new guy that scum are constantly lurking around, so you can verify to yourself that what you are doing is actually working? You should really stop making your anger at me because I just wont fucking die so obvious. So you're saying you don't trust your own reads, and consider scum (who you've gone to no lengths to spot) are automatically a non-threat? Please play some newbie games after you're done here, so a coach can teach you how to play...As for electing you leader I've been thinking that having a heavily HP-damaged town get a item would make him a strong mafia target, and by electing you we'd lose the item and a "confirmed town." But then I remembered that there are several "confirmed town" 10X more useful than you. It won't be an easy decision for scum to kill you, and I actually would rather have you die than them. To that end anything that could make you a stronger target than someone such as Syllo or Keir is something I'm completely for. ##Unvote
##Vote: DeinoHowever incompetent I think you are, I also have a town read on TC, and am confident that the party you've proposed will succeed. You have some nerve. I have not seen a single case of you this game, your filter is almost completely devoid of any scumhunting, and you go and lecture dieno on how to play? Dieno achieved something in this game that you have not yet done, he has established himself as town. That is already worth a lot for town. You may not agree with his methods of doing it, but he was one of the fastest established townies in this game. But you come in the thread regularly and have nothing better to do than to mock him. Do you think this is creating the kind of town atmosphere we need to win this game? What is the benefit for town of you calling him incompetent, bad and mocking his playstile? I don't see one. Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 08:51 goodkarma wrote:
I'll make a definitive case on you yet today. Just don't lurk too hard in the meantime. Ah, finally you make a case! Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 09:57 goodkarma wrote:
My strongandbig read was in fact in large part due to activity, in addition to the incomplete cases / reads he was bringing up. I was unaware, however, of the severe lack of internet he was experiencing, and will back off of him for now...
In its place I provide a mafia (the game) favorite, a scum suspect shortlist:
1) Iamp - I have a good "gut feel" about this guy I guess you could say. But he still has yet to contribute anything meaningful, which earns him a spot here. Would be willing to give him more time to see if his roleclaim checks out.
2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read...
3) phagga - Need to reread his filter at some point (but not something I'm focusing on today). He has been pro-town in his contributions, but I can't help but feel he is also "playing it safe" and doing what he can to fly under the radar...
4) Adam - lurker who might need to be shot too.
5) Kita - I'm inclined to believe Marv's read of 3rd party
6) Cave - This guy won't be figured out without getting vigi killed. Shoot first, ask questions later...
7) Z-boson - From my experience with him, he likes to play pretty safe as scum, whereas as town he is rather reckless to the point of being pretty easy to mislynch. He definitely is making his own reads and contributing to thread, but all his reads I would call "safe" ones in that he is targeting almost exclusively lurkers... Null read atm, even after looking into filter.
8) Prox - Tbh I don't know what to do with him. Syllo's input is definitely appreciated, but I don't see him as a strong scum read (closer to null...).
9) Strong - I had a strong scum read based both off meta and on filter. However, with meta differences explained, I'm inclined to give him more of a chance to establish himself as town before coming to conclusions.
10) Toad - Scum
11) Hopeless (maybe) - clearly anti-town, but I'm still not convinced that he's scum. Would even go so far as to say slight town read... Oh noes, you couldn't be arsed to make a case, instead you throw out this worthless list where you throw some dirt around with barely any explanation. Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 10:25 goodkarma wrote:
Correction: I'm a good town player when I don't drink while playing. I'm going to take a break from thread, and play damage control tomorrow. Like I care. If you are too drunk to play, don't play. If you play, I don't care about your state, i will hold you responsible for your actions.
Okay, regarding the first part (Dieno):
I meant everything I said there. And while there was OMGUS language in there, OMGUS was a motivating factor of my decision, and in a strictly logical way. Maybe if you were to take a step back and recognize that this is not a standard game, you would come to understand that we have a crapton of "confirmed town" at our disposal atm.
This is definitely not something you would see in your average game. As scum, you obviously are going to choose to shoot the best player of the "confirmed town," as in the guy who is most likely to spot who's scum. But what if I told you there was a way to keep our best townies alive by throwing a mouth-drooling "confirmed townie" in front of a bus?
I'd personally be all for it, and if you took a second to actually consider the merits of what I said instead of go into full-on OMGUS mode, you should be too.
For all we know Dieno could one-shot Lavos with the Masamune. Scum will have to actually seriously consider shooting him. I would propose that Dieno should fake-claim he got the Masamune in the case that he doesn't as it could draw fire away from the "confirmed town" we need to help us solve this game.
Regarding my strongandbig "case" and my list:
I already described why I strongly felt that strongandbig was scum, and why after some consideration I determined my read was off. As for my list, you could argue that I made twenty-two cases there. My list shows my read on everyone left in the game.
The actual list shows where I feel the scum reside, while everyone not on the list I have pegged as town. Again, you go into full-on OMGUS mode without considering the merits of what I contribute. In this game establishing town is just as important (if not moreso considering the scarcity of lynch days) as finding who's scum. Lists are normally bad, but in this specific game I believe it's worth doing.
Regarding "drunk play":
I would not consider myself drunk yesterday. I would simply say a bit of alcohol led me to be less inhibited than I usually am. And here is how it affected my play: I did not edit my writings as I usually do. There is a reason why some of my posts come off as heavily edited, to the point where some suspect I've had help in some kind of QT to construct them.: I heavily edit my posts, as both town and scum. Yesterday, I didn't really edit anything and spit out the first thing that came to mind onto paper.
I spent a little time looking at strongandbig's filter, got excited, and jumped the gun in making a case when I didn't take the time I needed to to consider if it had any merit.
Similarly, the comment about VE was me thinking whether I could in any way determine he was town or scum, making some half-baked conclusions, then deciding he was a lurker, and finally thinking I wanted to shoot lurkers and VE was the lurkiest of them all... Didn't take the time to put my thoughts together and conclude if he was even a scummy lurker, or take time to consider we have very limited resources for removing players, just considered if removing him out of the game would make it easier for me to solve we should shoot him ASAP.
And lastly:
You certainly should hold me accountable for everything I post. But it is my hope that with this post it becomes clear where I was coming from with what I posted yesterday.
With the exceptions of VE, I stand by the list I made. Strong is not the strong scumread I originally had yesterday, after reconsidering the circumstances, as I stated later yesterday. CaveJohnson and Adam remain at the top of the list for who I'd recommend we shoot. I consider them to be scummy lurkers.
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Actually that should hopefully cover just about everything brought up yesterday.
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On November 29 2012 02:09 phagga wrote:
@Goodkarma, please explain what is scummy on Adams and Caves behaviour?
In the case of CaveJohnson:
This is a guy who has not contributed in this game, but maintains some degree of activity by prolifically spamming chat with substanceless one-liners. He fakeclaims abilities, and in general is anti-town. From my understanding from what others have said, he does this as both town and scum. I have in my notes two quotes that I found especially troubling:
"Syllo has taken himself out of the running and we should respect that.": Scum-motivated for obvious reasons.
"my intention is to survive to endgame...": Town should not be worried about this...
Regarding Adam:
His posts come off as more "pro-town," but looking at what substance his comments bring the main thing I got was that he is pre-occupied tunneling Z-Boson for making a poor case on him. And from what I've seen his activity is not going to pick up ever. He is far in second place compared to CaveJohnson for a good vigi target, but still is in the back of my mind as a potential scum trying to blend in.
However, while we're on this topic it would be very helpful if Adam (or someone else) could provide some links to some of his games. I don't know Adam's meta, so having some insight into it could be helpful in getting a better read on him.
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On November 29 2012 02:18 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 17:39 syllogism wrote:
Drazerk you are completely worthless as always
I've decided for now that Prom's claim is plausible, even if the timing, execution and subsequent behavior are suspicious. The initial claim was compeltely ridiculous and anyone who believed such a role is likely to be in the game is naive. What he claimed at first was a role that could not only make a person completely invulnerable, but it also functioned as a semi-watcher role; a player of any alignment that gets roleblocked wouldn't know the source and would be forced to claim. Now that we know roleblock does not prevent factional KP (and I consider it likely that there is non-role based mafia factional KP) and that he can't always use it every cycle, it is more believable. Moreover, the claim is a bit too complicated and too easily veribiable to be a sane mafia claim (his sanity is still in question, however).
The fact he initially refused to claim his other ability or flavor and decided to attack and suspect a near confirmed town still doesn't make sense. I was also suspicious of sandroba immediately confirming that he visited me, instead of showing skepticism towards Prom's claim. yeah, if you want to know about how I safe claim as mafia I BC'd vet in my only late game scum game. I play it safe as scum. My role is a semi-watcher role and I plan on continuing to use it that way in the future. Claiming the other abilities and flavour just didn't benefit town in any way. I don't see why you think that is wierd and I'll attack anyone who seems scummy to me. I don't really care how close to confirmed town you are; you aren't confirmed and I believe you would play this out exactly the same as scum. The fact that no one else agrees with my paranoia means that I don't have to care and neither do you since nothing will come of it. Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 10:23 goodkarma wrote:
@VE:
How the hell was I supposed to know you were actually coming back to post more than one-liners? Saying and doing are two very different things...
Now that you've decided to show up, yeah. Let's not shoot you.
Cave and Adam are people I stand by vigi shooting though. I don't care about the other stuff you were saying (though some of it was scummy) but this is scummy as shit. We should be shooting the confirmed scum since we have no idea about lynches. Kill Toad.
Given the HP mechanic this game, and the knowledge that we most likely won't be able to kill a player until several cycles later, I still firmly believe that we will have a chance to lynch Toad before he will have died from vigi shots even if every vigi were to focus fire him.
And that will mean that all our focus on him will have been wasted... This is why I still am against vigi shooting him.
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On November 29 2012 02:21 Acrofales wrote:
How in the blazes do you have a town read on me? I claimed survivor..
I believe you when you say you're third party. I had you tabbed in my mind as neither scum nor a threat to town, and that's why I didn't bother including you...
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On November 29 2012 02:45 Promethelax wrote:
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if we don't get a lynch though we need to start that focus fire earlier. How confidant are you that we will get a lynch? (hint: I'm not at all)
From the damage reports, I'm under the impression town has roughly 150 damage / turn at its disposal.
From the flips, however, 600 HP seems to be a reasonable assumption for the amount of HP Toad has. (Following the mechanics of the actual game, I'd say he can't have any more than 999.) As such, I'd expect it to take at least 3-4 turns to kill him. And I strongly believe we'll have a chance to lynch within 1-2 turns.
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