EPTThe one good thing is all town people now have two data points when it comes to HP.
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The one good thing is all town people now have two data points when it comes to HP. | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:30 marvellosity wrote: just emphasising. What 2 data points were you referring to, though? Yeah as acro stated, your own and Cyrus. I mentioned that we only had a single data point during the time Keir was talking about his "succes modifier" On November 23 2012 02:32 kitaman27 wrote: From a town perspective, I'd think you would want it the other way around. Why wouldn't you brush over this fact and let the mafia team think you have tons and tons of hp if you are worried about being hit? I'm not sure I understand, could you phrase this differently? | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:34 Dienosore wrote: I'm sorry, but I'd rather not just yet. What I look for is hard to hide because it's essentially coming from the subconscious. But if I start giving examples of my exact lines of thought, then it's easier for someone to use my detection methods against me or fall off my radar completely. Okay I guess I can see the logic in that. Could you post it before the resolution period then, please? | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:44 Dienosore wrote: The modkill is actually a big blow to the town. It sounds like his ability would have been perfect to easily destroy lavos.  No, it's an ability targeting a player, not an npc. | ||
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On November 22 2012 11:08 sandroba wrote: @kita I was under that impression because your filter is rather short and I fail to find anything in there that provides your reads or opinions on subjects being discussed. When you came back you posted a generic post with several names in red including mine and no reasoning and still never commented on anything. Let us work our way backwards in his filter, starting from this post, where he advocates against electing Kita because Kita has not provided his reads or opinions on subjects being discussed. On November 22 2012 10:10 sandroba wrote: I had clarity as scum, but I'm kinda torn on it right now after the marv/clarity exchange. I took a look at mario and it does look similar. Earlier he was pouncing with one-liners on weak stuff people posted and that tipped me off. And about Die, yeah I still think he is town. What makes you dissagree? The first mention of any kind of read he has (remember, we're working backwards), it's on me, he found me scum but now he doesn't know. Null. Why did he used to find me scum? Not sure, the only other mention of me is the reason he had to make the above post, that mention being this: On November 21 2012 22:25 sandroba wrote: I wont take clarity with me if I get elected. He smells funny. So we never got to know why I was scum to him, but that's okay because he's no longer sure, right? I don't think so. To me this seems like jumping on the (at the time) easy "lynch" I'd make. But then backing off because it was hard to pin me on something. Next up, we have this: On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote: I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. I'm fairly certain he's town, is his entire read. Only when asked does he explain why. On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote: He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. This boils down to a meta read. If you take away the meta, all that is left is him saying: "He said he'd be lazy but he isn't" Meta reads aren't always bad, of course, but it should never be the crux of your argument unless someone is WAY off their town meta. On November 21 2012 18:26 sandroba wrote: I wouldn't put you as a town read, but I don't agree with toads case on you. I'll say nothing point to me one way or another so far. About deinos I agree on oats as I've said before. Not quite sure on acro still, I'd put him the same as you. GK and djo I'm slightly leaning town so far. "I don't know, you're null. Here's a list of slight townreads with no explanation." Moving further back. On November 21 2012 17:52 sandroba wrote: come'on look at the way he entered the thread. that's like as townie as it gets =P either way you have your share bit of work to do to =P. I guess I'll know by day 2? His very first strong read, yet somehow it is much earlier in the thread than the stuff covered above. This post is referring to Dieno. There's not much reasoning to it, the only being that scum wouldn't enter into the game like that. I think this is fair and not alignment indicative, but since we're pointing out all the reads I think it's only fair to point out his only strong read thus far. This is also where the reads end, because we are in the early earlygame at this point. There is some setup speculation, which makes sense given we're in a heavily themed game. My point to all of this, is this: Sand has not had any strong reads, and the reads he has had have had bad or no reasoning. He's is currently trying to get elected, and has had some backing. Why are people not demanding stronger reads from him? Especially when he is demanding them from others? Why is sand not working harder at making reads, when he is running for the election? Wanting to get elected is not alignment indicative. His reads or logic isn't alignment indicative. Why does he not look/try to look townie when he is running for the election? In my eyes, this makes him badly played scum or a third party role because a townie who is running for election would be trying harder to get elected, or at the very least to get strong reads out there. | ||
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On November 23 2012 03:22 marvellosity wrote: Dienosore, partly in Djo's defence, in every game Djodref has played town in people have gotten scumvibes off him due to his peculiar use of language. I second this. | ||
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On November 23 2012 03:30 kitaman27 wrote: There are plenty of people who have stated that a player is likely third party. At this point of the game it is quite silly to come to this conclusion. Most of the time it is just a justification made by a mafia player who knows an anti-town player can't be scum. The reason for my post is not to conclude he is third party, it's to make sure he doesn't get elected. | ||
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On November 23 2012 04:37 Hapahauli wrote: I've offered my reasons. I've offered my party. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=73#1444 Do you agree with me? Then vote me. I'll be voting for myself: ##Vote Hapahauli Right now I'm trying to show you guys that putting blind faith in Syllo is stupid. There's no sane reason for him to withhold reads. There's no threat to members on the party. There's no risk of "mafia manipulation" or whatever the fuck he things the "reasons" are. Could you expand on your goodkarma town read? | ||
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Hapa, would you consider changing out goodkarma for someone else? Perhaps phagga? | ||
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On November 23 2012 05:46 Promethelax wrote: bleh, Clarity why don't you like GK? And why Phagga over him? I've had a townread on phagga, but not gk. I don't think hapa's reasons for a townread are valid, although I've obviously not played with gk before and hapa's reasons are somewhat meta. | ||
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On November 23 2012 05:50 Promethelax wrote: Why do you have a townread on Phagga though, and why not on GK? What is it about Gk that seems scum to you and what is it about Phagga in particular that seems town to you? There is nothing about gk that seems scum to me, but there's nothing that really screams town at me either, it's mainly a feeling, and I'm not telling hapa to switch one for the other, I'm asking him. How about we let him answer first? | ||
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On November 23 2012 05:56 Promethelax wrote: Marv: why aren't you being Marv? Clarity: I'm asking you why you see Phagga as more town than GK, I get having GK null (my read on him is greenish but base don his meta more than anything else), I don't get why you, as opposed to Marv, would have a town read on him. I have no idea what marvs stance on phagga is or was, but how does that matter? Marv already explained my main reason so he gives me no choice but to appear to sheep him. Double bastard. | ||
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On November 23 2012 05:59 Promethelax wrote: I was mostly poking fun at marv for answering my question which was directed at you. So, your reason for Phagga=town is that he responded to Marv in a way you can't see mafia playing? So you read marv as non-mafia? I read phagga as non mafia as certain as it gets, I read him town from the rest of his filter. The exchange however, is not alignment indicative for marv. | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:06 Promethelax wrote: Maybe I wasn't clear. I do think that Phagga is town, I just didn't see any reasoning from Clarity and I hate no reasoning. I wanted to get it from him and not from marv but that didn't happen. Nothing I can do about it. I really wanted to get it from hapa before anyone else so you know... | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote: I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way. You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out? Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently. | ||
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