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On November 23 2012 00:18 syllogism wrote:
I can't explain it better than I have. It doesn't feel like he cares about figuring things out and there is no sense of urgency despite him being one of the most likely people to be elected. He has made no attempts at figuring out who mafia is and it seems to me he is hiding behind the fact he doesn't have to. There is being lazy and then there is just not caring. My other reasons rely on my knowledge of how he thinks and some of the things he has said feel off; can't elaborate more on that.
Yes, I might gain more votes by making my reads public. I would also gain more reads by pretending to be completely confident in my reads; I'm not. I have not finalized my team yet (right now I've 2 whom I'm likely to take and a few possibilities for the third) and may not finalize it until the end. An honest assessment as to why I'm not going to is a combination of considering it optimal play (if I get the votes), being lazy and because sometimes my town reads rely on things other players may find flimsy or the reasons are otherwise difficult to explain (tone, whether the person feels earnest).
If I were mafia, there would be absolutely no reason not to make the list of people I intend to pick public.
That is a very fair answer.
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Also, I am not sure there's place in my head for both Syllo and Marv. Toad, if I am slow on the uptake, I must be very slow. I can think of no reason for you to want to look like Kurumi.
All I can think of is that this is some elaborate plot so later you can jump out and say "hah, I caught scum!" However, all I am getting from this is Toad acting in a completely untoady manner, which makes me LESS inclined to believe any conclusions you think you could draw from this later. Bad play is bad play, regardless of whether you played badly on purpose.
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On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Show nested quote +Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people.
Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him?
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On November 23 2012 00:38 Dienosore wrote:I hope I haven't committed suicide with this post :X + Show Spoiler +Alright, guys. I've been doing a lot of watching these past 30~ pages or so. I've come up with this aggregate system that isn't based around calling people towny or scum, but rather personal interactions. Using my extraordinary abilities to decipher what people mean rather than what they say, I've drawn out what I think is turning out to be a very interesting relationship map, and here it is: ![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/22mao4.jpg) The wiggly lines show hate/distrust, while the straight lines show some sort of companionship. There are a few other types of lines in there that represent different things, but I don't really feel like going into depth about every little mark. From this, I am able to extrapolate what I see into a larger picture. The only things that really set off flags for me are these: - Djodref and Goodkarma coming up as strong scumreads. - Kitaman drawing a lot of attention for little reason. - CaveJohnson coming up as scummy. - Iamperfection being indicated in secret relationships with SnB and CaveJohnson. I've also spotted some sort of mysterious link between Promethelax/Kushm4sta, Promethelax/Kitaman, and Risk.Nuke/Promethelax. I find it hard to think townies would be forming these sort of clandestine connections this early in the game, though it does not necessarily make them scum. There is always the possibility of a third party out there. Right now, I havn't really made any clear towny reads using this map other than Syllo. Sandroba was clear town for me until Syllo raised some suspicion with his >50% remark. Another flag is the sudden surge of support for Kitaman27 from people who I've dubbed as suspicious. What's also interesting is who is not on the map. BioSC caught a bit of negative attention from Iamperfection early on, then sort of disappeared. Not sure what this means. Alright that's all I have for now. Looking through all my info, it's pretty clear that I'm not going to be first leader, and that's fine with me. I just hope I get in the party and survive the night.
+1. Made me laugh. Would read again.
Why do you have the Scum? by my name, yet I don't appear in your scumreads based on this?
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On November 23 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote:
I might as well say now, I do plan on running for party leader in the coming days if I'm around to do so.
Marv claiming scum. He expects to be around after N1.
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On November 23 2012 01:00 iamperfection wrote:
what do you know about this bio guy?
I know I mistakenly vig shot him in Bastard 2 when he was being just as scummy as he is now. So I'll be a bit more careful this game in calling him scum based on lurk and meaningless posts.
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On November 23 2012 01:06 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:51 Acrofales wrote:
Why do you have the Scum? by my name, yet I don't appear in your scumreads based on this? If you'll look closely, it says Scum? not Scum. I'm not going to flat out accuse anyone who I'm not entirely sure of. But know my eye is on you, Acro. Oh and I know you have some secret relation with CaveJohnson.
Dude, that's way cool, you found out! CaveJohnson is secretly my daddy. He's not very nice, though, he only gives me lemons to play with. I wish my mommy was here.
In all seriousness. Based on what do I have this secret connection. I seem to be missing CaveJohnson's name in all the squiggly lines flying all over the place.
And yes, I am trying to take this seriously, but having a really hard time of it. You sure you're not BillMurray smurfing?
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On November 23 2012 01:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 01:06 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 01:02 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 01:00 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote:
I might as well say now, I do plan on running for party leader in the coming days if I'm around to do so. I thought you were lazy, why the change of heart? because now i feel i want to, whereas before i didn't. no particular reason other than i'm feeling it more. And why are the following quoted points no longer an issue for you? Marv once wrote:
Plus I don't feel very at home in themed setups like this. There are going to be some differences in how scum/town players act compared to normal setups, and I don't know what they are yet.
There are a few players in this game who I hold in extremely high regard (I think are better than me) and in that situation I feel somewhat insecure. If those players weren't in the game I'm pretty sure I would be standing for party leader because I'd think I knew best out of everyone playing, but I don't think that in this game. Do you think now that you know best of everyone playing? If so, why don't you run for leadership today? I'm not suddenly going to think I'm better than everyone else when I didn't before, no  But I feel quite integrated into this game by now and this helps a lot with how I feel vis-a-vis running for party leader. sandroba has question marks over his head by syllo. kitaman has done nothing to make me think he's town, plus i disagree with a few of his reads. Doesn't make him scum necessarily, but I don't trust him. syllo would as it stands get my vote next cycle too, but it might be best if power isn't that concentrated.
Translation: my scumteam and I are happy to let things slide this cycle, but next cycle we need to get shit done.
Am I doing this right, Marv?
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On November 23 2012 01:35 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 01:17 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 01:06 Dienosore wrote:On November 23 2012 00:51 Acrofales wrote:
Why do you have the Scum? by my name, yet I don't appear in your scumreads based on this? If you'll look closely, it says Scum? not Scum. I'm not going to flat out accuse anyone who I'm not entirely sure of. But know my eye is on you, Acro. Oh and I know you have some secret relation with CaveJohnson. Dude, that's way cool, you found out! CaveJohnson is secretly my daddy. He's not very nice, though, he only gives me lemons to play with. I wish my mommy was here. In all seriousness. Based on what do I have this secret connection. I seem to be missing CaveJohnson's name in all the squiggly lines flying all over the place. And yes, I am trying to take this seriously, but having a really hard time of it. You sure you're not BillMurray smurfing? Your deflection of my accusation only reaffirms it in my mind. Being linked to CaveJohnson isn't a good thing, as he is looking pretty scummy from more than a couple angles, so maybe it's time for you to lay low if you want to take the heat off yourself (and there is much heat right now).
Yeah... okay. Mind answering the question? Where is that connection in your squiggly chart and where is it in the game?
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On November 23 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 01:35 Dienosore wrote:On November 23 2012 01:17 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 01:06 Dienosore wrote:On November 23 2012 00:51 Acrofales wrote:
Why do you have the Scum? by my name, yet I don't appear in your scumreads based on this? If you'll look closely, it says Scum? not Scum. I'm not going to flat out accuse anyone who I'm not entirely sure of. But know my eye is on you, Acro. Oh and I know you have some secret relation with CaveJohnson. Dude, that's way cool, you found out! CaveJohnson is secretly my daddy. He's not very nice, though, he only gives me lemons to play with. I wish my mommy was here. In all seriousness. Based on what do I have this secret connection. I seem to be missing CaveJohnson's name in all the squiggly lines flying all over the place. And yes, I am trying to take this seriously, but having a really hard time of it. You sure you're not BillMurray smurfing? Your deflection of my accusation only reaffirms it in my mind. Being linked to CaveJohnson isn't a good thing, as he is looking pretty scummy from more than a couple angles, so maybe it's time for you to lay low if you want to take the heat off yourself (and there is much heat right now). Yeah... okay. Mind answering the question? Where is that connection in your squiggly chart and where is it in the game?
Bah, nevermind. Should finish catching up on the thread before commenting. Thanks Marv. I'll go back and read now.
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On November 23 2012 01:51 Dienosore wrote:
It was just strange to me that he goes from seeing him as a random unknown smurf to a pretty sure 3rd party with basically no face to face interaction.
Not the best of evidence, I admit. That's why it's a lightly drawn loopy line rather than big, bold and angry line.
You mean... the fact that I didn't jump up and say "HAH, 3RD PARTY" the minute he made that post? I saw no reason to. It was in my notebook though (which unfortunately is not nearly as pretty with squiggly lines and a mini dino in the top corner).
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On November 23 2012 02:11 Dienosore wrote:
@phagga
I identified them as scum early game due to their posturing and grammar. I didn't have much to go on then, so I had to make some advanced reads based on 1-2 pages of filter. I wasn't entirely sure.
Since then, however, there has been so many indicators that if I were to compile them all here it would take up too many hours of my Thanksgiving.
Just a sample then. If you recall, I askedyou for that yesterday and you never delivered...
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On November 23 2012 02:30 marvellosity wrote:
just emphasising.
What 2 data points were you referring to, though?
Own and Cyrus, I presume.
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On November 23 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 03:14 syllogism wrote:
I confirmed that nothing in the OP is a lie, including this line
"Each character in the game is assigned a hidden number value"
Drazerk, or whoever you are, if you are somehow town I'm pretty certain that I'm never joining a game with you again.
You are not taking me on missions without me killing you. If I lie I'll lie hopefully we'll catch people from it but apparently you don't understand baits.
I fucking knew it. I wish I was a vig 
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Eh, wrong post to quote. Meant to quote his first claim. Still. Drazerk will be Drazerk and the post displays it pretty clearly.
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Kita, you still comfortable with Promethelax?
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On November 23 2012 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 03:46 Keirathi wrote:
Hapa, I already explained why a candidate keeping his party hidden was a good idea. Yeah I saw that Kei, and I think it's really really stupid. Being scared of a possible D1 mafia manipulation isn't a good reason to sheep blindly on a player. It's like wanting to no-lynch on D1 in a normal game because there's a supposed "low chance of hitting scum." You lynch D1 anyway because of the amount of information we gain from the votecounts. Syllo is proposing an "optimal" strategy that completely neuters the amount of information we'll gain from the voting. This is fucking retarded.
We still know the party, we just don't know his reason for picking them. If you mean that we are voting for 1 person, rather than 4, it has its advantages and disadvantages. Less easily manipulated by scum (assuming the chooser isn't actually scum himself), but gives less of a basis to vote on.
Do you think Syllo is not town?
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BioSC: are you playing this game, or you trying to get vig shot for lurking again?
Hopeless1der: where are you? You have lots of posts in your filter, but they are all 1-liners. I have NO clue what you're thinking about anything actually pertinent to this game. You have corrected people's logic and asked some questions. That seems to be about it. I can't even find your vote or ANY indication of who you might vote for. Last time you lurked you were obvious scum. You taking the same approach?
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Oh wait, found your vote. It's about 40 hours old. You still happy with that vote you parked on Sandroba about a thousand posts ago?
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