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On November 27 2012 09:10 Hopeless1der wrote: We can vote syllo if I'm not mistaken. Also, I took 75 damage (not self-inflicted) Yeah, you're right. The Daypost specifies that we cannot take the last party leader with us, which was Oats. I'm off to bed. | ||
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Hopeless behaviour about him wanting to be in the party this day looks really scum motivated. If he knows himself that people doubt his townieness, there is no reason for him to be wanting in the party as town. I feel unsure about Djo being on the party. He has been shown erratic behaviour and speculation that was useless. I'd rather not have him in the party. I look forward to hear from z-boson again. | ||
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On November 28 2012 02:24 Hopeless1der wrote: I disagree that my behavior looks strictly scum motivated, there are town motives as well: Townies want to be on the party. I see it as a way to clear my name so that people stop discussing me as a lynch candidate because I know that it is likely to end in my death. While the discussion will hopefully be helpful in finding scum after I flip, it comes at the cost of a townie. Depending on our lynch availability we can't afford to be wasting it on me and I want to find a way to confirm or deny the accusation against me. Being selected to be on the event party is an opportunity to do so. But you do understand that town will not want the risk to take you along, right? I mean, it must be obvious that if town generally sees you as null/scum, then you will not be taken along. Therefore coming forward and saying that you need to be with the party to prove you're town is nonsensical. However, realising that you have been figured out as scum and martyring by failing an event for town seems quite a reasonable idea. Finally, you want to prove you are town? Why don't you show interest in the game? (and with this I mean generally, not only when you are accused of being scum). Why don't you try to find the scum amidst us? Acro just did you a favor by claiming third party, as it means you can actually be town without theChronicler lying. However, you can also still be scum. It's up to you to prove to us now that your town through your behaviour. | ||
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On November 28 2012 06:37 goodkarma wrote: So you're saying you don't trust your own reads, and consider scum (who you've gone to no lengths to spot) are automatically a non-threat? Please play some newbie games after you're done here, so a coach can teach you how to play... As for electing you leader I've been thinking that having a heavily HP-damaged town get a item would make him a strong mafia target, and by electing you we'd lose the item and a "confirmed town." But then I remembered that there are several "confirmed town" 10X more useful than you. It won't be an easy decision for scum to kill you, and I actually would rather have you die than them. To that end anything that could make you a stronger target than someone such as Syllo or Keir is something I'm completely for. ##Unvote ##Vote: Deino However incompetent I think you are, I also have a town read on TC, and am confident that the party you've proposed will succeed. You have some nerve. I have not seen a single case of you this game, your filter is almost completely devoid of any scumhunting, and you go and lecture dieno on how to play? Dieno achieved something in this game that you have not yet done, he has established himself as town. That is already worth a lot for town. You may not agree with his methods of doing it, but he was one of the fastest established townies in this game. But you come in the thread regularly and have nothing better to do than to mock him. Do you think this is creating the kind of town atmosphere we need to win this game? What is the benefit for town of you calling him incompetent, bad and mocking his playstile? I don't see one. On November 28 2012 08:51 goodkarma wrote: I'll make a definitive case on you yet today. Just don't lurk too hard in the meantime. Ah, finally you make a case! On November 28 2012 09:57 goodkarma wrote: My strongandbig read was in fact in large part due to activity, in addition to the incomplete cases / reads he was bringing up. I was unaware, however, of the severe lack of internet he was experiencing, and will back off of him for now... In its place I provide a mafia (the game) favorite, a scum suspect shortlist: 1) Iamp - I have a good "gut feel" about this guy I guess you could say. But he still has yet to contribute anything meaningful, which earns him a spot here. Would be willing to give him more time to see if his roleclaim checks out. 2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read... 3) phagga - Need to reread his filter at some point (but not something I'm focusing on today). He has been pro-town in his contributions, but I can't help but feel he is also "playing it safe" and doing what he can to fly under the radar... 4) Adam - lurker who might need to be shot too. 5) Kita - I'm inclined to believe Marv's read of 3rd party 6) Cave - This guy won't be figured out without getting vigi killed. Shoot first, ask questions later... 7) Z-boson - From my experience with him, he likes to play pretty safe as scum, whereas as town he is rather reckless to the point of being pretty easy to mislynch. He definitely is making his own reads and contributing to thread, but all his reads I would call "safe" ones in that he is targeting almost exclusively lurkers... Null read atm, even after looking into filter. 8) Prox - Tbh I don't know what to do with him. Syllo's input is definitely appreciated, but I don't see him as a strong scum read (closer to null...). 9) Strong - I had a strong scum read based both off meta and on filter. However, with meta differences explained, I'm inclined to give him more of a chance to establish himself as town before coming to conclusions. 10) Toad - Scum 11) Hopeless (maybe) - clearly anti-town, but I'm still not convinced that he's scum. Would even go so far as to say slight town read... Oh noes, you couldn't be arsed to make a case, instead you throw out this worthless list where you throw some dirt around with barely any explanation. On November 28 2012 10:25 goodkarma wrote: Correction: I'm a good town player when I don't drink while playing. I'm going to take a break from thread, and play damage control tomorrow. Like I care. If you are too drunk to play, don't play. If you play, I don't care about your state, i will hold you responsible for your actions. | ||
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On November 28 2012 22:39 Acrofales wrote: + Show Spoiler [exercise in futility] + Timestamps: 10:05 20:00 +10 / 595 07:59 +12 / 719 +2 / +124 21:52 +14 / 833 +2 / +114 09:06 +11 / 674 -3 / - 159 23:54 +15 / 888 +4 / +214 09:11 +09 / 557 -6 / -331 21:38 +13 / 747 +4 / -190 Given the timestamps, the difference between them and the difference of differences. Alphabet? Assuming 0 = A? K:F U:A H:H V:A J:G X:C J:L V:M This is complete jibberish and is jibberish under any rotational encryption as well. Interpreting as numbers I also don't see anyting useful 1005 2000 + 995 759 - 1241 - 2236 2152 +1393 +2634 906 - 1246 - 2639 2354 +1448 +2694 911 - 1443 - 2891 2138 +1227 +2670 I tried analyzing them in a number of different ways and I see no pattern or hidden message. That leads me to conclude that it's one of three things: 1. I am too dumb to decypher this shit, 2. they are simply roughly every 12 hours, depending on when the hosts have time and they are too lazy to tell us that they should be every 12 hours since the Day 2 action deadline, or 3. this has to be something to do with someone's role. Given that nobody has claimed any knowledge of these numbers, I suspect scum or another 3rd party. I don't like calling myself dumb, so my intuition says either 2 or 3. Maybe it's the impact of Lavos? In the game you don't actually fight Lavos when he crashes into the planet in prehistory. However, that means we are skipping the entire part where we have to make Masamune and fight Magus. ##get on dactyl and fly away from Tyranno Lair I tried to type out the number in binaries (since they are all below 15, it gives you nice 4-bit-blocks) and see if a usefull ip address returns. I got 172.235.249.X (last digit still unknown), but 172.235.249.0/24 is not in use as far as I can see on ARIN (it says holder and contact unknown). Will try again when the next interval is out, but I doubt this is the way to go. I also checked the ascii table for hex or decimal values, no luck. Perhaps the difference has to be seen as hex numbers, which gives you the following decimals: 0x10 => 16 decimal 0x12 => 18 decimal 0x14 => 20 decimal 0x11 => 17 decimal 0x15 => 21 decimal 0x09 => 09 decimal 0x13 => 19 decimal that does not really tell me anything either. Finally, I expect the next countdown number either after 8 or after 16 hours. So far we had every intervall from 9 to 15 hours, so I suppose the next one is gonna be after 8 or 16 hours. | ||
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On November 28 2012 22:23 strongandbig wrote: Now, phagga I have a couple of questions for you: 1. As far as I can tell, you changed your mind on your scumread on goodkarma because of the timing of his vote on Sandroba. Could you update that read for us? Given that Sandroba never really responded to Syllo's case or made a real effort to not get himself lynched, I'm hesitant to draw any conclusions from who voted for him when. It's definitely possible that his teammates knew he wasn't going to try very hard, and started bussing him very early. So if you ignore gk's vote on sandro, do you still think he's town or do you want to lynch him again. 2. You said you object to hopeless being in the party. do you think he's scum? What do you think of my stuff on his behavior since the check on him and acro? 3. What is kitaman's alignment and why do you think that? 1. After his behaviour today I'm rather leaning scum on him again. Reason is that his behaviour was rather disruptive imho, and that is rather scum motivated. Also, z-boson made me rethink the whole bussing-situation, and I don't feel as sure about my conclusion from last time anymore. So, leaning scum on GK. Pre-Edit: What also really bothered me was that GK was posting this huge list with 11 people on it. That's half of the remaining player base. The problem is, people are slightly bored in this game, they try too hard to find scum and start to misinterpret situations because of confirmation bias. The want to find scum so hard that they scum where none is. Syllo actually pointed this out a few pages ago, and took this as a reason to take a break IIRC. Looking at GKs list from that point of view shows how counterproductive it is to towns interest. You don't want half of the town chasing the other half of the town. You want people trying to make proper cases of one or two other people, and show how the actions of their suspects fit a mafia agenda (or how they don't). Those cases don't have to be long, but they should have a clear focus and a proper analysis. Then others can discuss it and agree or disagree, which will lead most of the times on a reasonable result. GKs list mainly spreads distrust and is therefore counterproductive. 2. I remember going over Hopeless' filter a few days ago and setting him null on my list. Then Hope came up with this strange theorie about what if Toad flips town, followed by TC saying that Acro and Hope are of opposite alignement. Then he wanted to be part of the party to show that he is town, which was a red flag for me. Since then he is marked as scum. Regarding your post, I like the point about his sentence that he will not bring any last minute shenanigans. I mean, this is what everyone expects, why does he feel he has to announce this? seems like he is missing a townie mindest. The "Bring it, bitches" is interesting because he first takes a defensive stance in his answers to TCs case, but then tries to look aggressive with that last sentence. It does not seem authentic, but I don't think it's alignement indicative. 3. I'm running out of time  I want to go through Kita's filter again, I don't like to just make comments about a person without some facts behind it. I hope to give you answer until the deadline.Which reminds me, I haven't voted yet. BRB with vote. | ||
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On November 29 2012 07:44 Clarity_nl wrote: Phagga are you saying that any ability that is used on you, you can use afterwards? more or less, I don't really wanna go into too much detail. I got too excited and already said too much. | ||
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10:05 20:00 +10 / 595 07:59 +12 / 719 +2 / +124 21:52 +14 / 833 +2 / +114 09:06 +11 / 674 -3 / - 159 23:54 +15 / 888 +4 / +214 09:11 +09 / 557 -6 / -331 21:38 +13 / 747 +4 / +190 09:05 +11 / 687 -2 / -60 No idea what it means. | ||
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