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@Kita:
I like your frankness, but still have a hard time reading you as town.
Additionally Prom has been playing very differently from normal. While I have no reason to suspect he's scum, I don't have a townread on him either. I am quite happy with your Dino choice and myself, and will go over both your filters again.
@Syllo:
I think your choice to keep the party secret is not alignment indicative, but rather something you would do in any case. I was leaning town on you before and nothing has changed. However, I am uncertain about putting blind faith in your choice.
@Sandro:
If Syllo hadn't said you were scum, I would be campaigning quite hard for you right now. However, you and Syllo know eachother well and his thoughts about you have a lot of weight. I want to see you two interact more. I have to agree with risk: why do you have such a strong town read on Oats? I agree with Prom that Oats looks mostly like a try-hard excited newbie, which is not alignment indicative.
@GK:
I don't trust you and I don't know why I should vote for you. I prefer a team with Dieno and Kush over a team with GK and Djodref. So why would I vote for you? In fact, why would YOU vote for you, rather than Sandro?
In closing: I am still on the fence. I will decide between Kita, Sandro and Syllo.
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On November 22 2012 17:22 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 17:13 risk.nuke wrote:On November 22 2012 17:02 syllogism wrote:On November 22 2012 16:58 risk.nuke wrote:On November 22 2012 16:53 syllogism wrote:
When I said I may reveal who I am going to pick after the day post, I meant that I might explain why I picked the team I did, not just list the names as that is obviously unnecessary What? What benefit would it be not to explain the reasoning for why you picked them? If the mission is a success and everyone considers me town anyway I don't think that's necessary and I would then rather be lazy. I'm not a fan of your lazy-when-I-feel-like-it strategy. It still feels like you should have your reads on why you picked your team already. It shouldn't be that much of an effort to scribble them down. What do you think of leader-candidates outside you and sandroba? (feel free to ignore kitaman) Acro seems like the only other serious candidate and I do not like his play so far. The most recent post of his that I found off was the one where he suggested for Frog should attempt to run a campaign without claiming and he based this on, in my view, laughable suggestion that frog was a playable character in the first mission of the game. It seemed like a complete fluff post rather than a serious well-thought of suggestion.
I admit I didn't have a clear idea of how Frog (or Crono/Lucca) should have played that without claiming unless he was one of the clear candidates for party leader in the first place. I was actually hoping someone would like the idea and help me with the details of how Frog could put himself forward without claiming, but in the end Frog just came forward and claimed.
While I think roleclaiming (or nameclaiming in this case) on D1 is almost always a bad idea, I find the claim believable and I think the lore-based approach in general deserves more consideration, so I think Frog is a good candidate to take along on D1.
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On November 22 2012 20:57 risk.nuke wrote:
Goodkarma, exclude oats from your mission team and you have my vote.
Trust and something approaching praise coming from risk.nuke, how... unusual.
Risk, what do you feel is wrong with Sandro and Syllo at the moment?
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Okay. I have gone through goodkarma's filter and I am still uncomfortable. I don't feel he's town at all. He is logical and not afraid to contradict the sheeples. While townie qualities in some, I have no real idea about goodkarma's scumplay. For myself, I could say that I am perfectly happy to be logical (always) and contradict the sheeples (if it suits me) as scum.
There is one post in particular that made alarmbells go off and I don't know how people read this without it just setting off scumdars. It's long, so in spoilers:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 22 2012 12:11 goodkarma wrote:
My current thoughts on party leader:
So... It would seem that syllo has yet to make any additional moves, and sandoba, while back, hasn't really made that much of an additional comment on his party he's taking with him. This sounds insincere. He phrases it as if this is a bad thing, but all we really need to know is whether the party leader is town and able to pick other townies accurately. Why is no additional moves a negative reflection on them?
Firstly, sandroba has now made it clear that he strongly believes syllo to be town. I do not have the "meta" read priveleges that he does, and as such, cannot make this read. Yet, at this point I would go so far as to say that sandroba has put so much faith into syllo that a vote for either is semi-interchangable. Between the two of them, I see one party leader ticket. I don't have presently a town read on syllo, and so am less comfortable voting for Sandroba than I previously was.
Clearly false, as Syllo had already said that he thought there was a good chance Sandro was scum. Moreover, the whole game, Syllo has been far more reserved towards Sandro than the other way round. Sandro seems to have an early town read on Syllo, while the reverse was quite obviously not true: in fact, reading between the lines the opposite could be expected, because Syllo said he'd be lazy if he was confident in Sandro, yet decided to run for leader all the same.
Sandroba, who was someone I was very excited about having as party leader with his solid early ideas for how to select his party, also has yet to provide some idea of who he's considering at present for his party. This is another point that makes me less comfortable voting Sandroba. I'm still leaning towards sandroba being town, but I question why it is he has become fairly quiet relative to the beginning of the game.
So, in Summary...:
While many here give Sandroba/Syllo respect for being a "vet," it's incredibly hard for me to sort through a sea of one-liners and go, "That guy is definitely town..." Actually, insert Marv's name here too as he's guiltiest of this...
Fair enough.
My Current Plan:
I will be reassessing my reads by going back through everyone's filters, and selecting my own party. There are plenty here who are not as familiar with my "meta," or who have never played with me before. I can understand how it is that it would be hard for them to vote for me or take me as seriously as their favorite vet. However, blindly voting your favorite guy is a system I refuse to be a part of.
The heavy vet preference from other players comes, as best I can tell, from this logic:
"Well, I'm too lazy/incompetent/troll to play this game so I want to vote for someone who I know actually tries..."
Blatant misrepresentation of people's thought process. While I appreciate that you don't want to follow Sandroba and/or Syllogism, you are insinuating that anybody voting for a veteran is a sheeple. Some might be, but others have a conscious decision process. Electing someone you trust to form a good party is important, because that is ALL you have control over. The criteria for a good party leader are: he's town and he's able to pick other town. That invariably leads to veterans over newbies, because of the second criteria. The ONLY question is thus whether a veteran, who we have all established can read townies well, is actually town. At this point you seem to think Sandroba is town, yet are doing everything to discredit him. What I am left with is a sense of unease about why you want to be party leader so badly. So your reads on others may not be perfect, but who cares? Why even bother playing a game of mafia if you're just going to throw all your eggs into one basket like all you who have voted for sandroba/syllo have? I myself would rather put all my money on red at the roulette table + Show Spoiler +. At least I would be honest with myself that I was making a completely unnecessary and foolish risk with my money... More of the same. However, there is more here: people are not implicitly trusting Sandroba (Syllo would be blind faith in his ability to pick town): Sandroba is giving out his newbie town reads that he intends to take along with him, and it has been my impression from the start of the game that he would be upfront with this information. You are thus misrepresenting Sandro (not Syllo) as a gamble on their ability to pick town, which is simply not true.
Mafia manipulation:
Many of you seem to fear that it will be super-easy for mafia to hide in a setup where they don't necessarily need to spend all that much time faking scumhunting. But when you blindly vote for one guy you are missing an amazing opportunity to spot them out. By voting for a known 4-person party (where the party leader presents his choices) you are doing a better job of forcing their hand. They will be trying to steer the vote towards selecting their own members, and their voting should reflect that.
Has advantages and disadvantages. A 4-man team that has a scum will be more likely to get scum backing than a 4-man team without that member. However, without the posterior information that the team actually failed (and therefore had scum in it), that backing is meaningless. I prefer to have successful teams that go a long way to confirm town members than unsuccessful teams. Especially without a lynching mechanism. Even then, it is a 4-man team and I really doubt we have the resources to do 3-1 trades.
As an added bonus, this allows you to spread your risk. You can determine if the choices of the party leader match up to your own, and at least to some degree, determine how likely it is that the party has a mafia member in it.
By voting for a singular leader, it's an all or nothing proposition. They get their candidate in, or they don't. Either way, we get far less information from that. We will not be able to narrow down what went wrong should things go wrong. Is it a scum party leader with questionable choices or a town party leader with questionable choices? The only way you'd know for sure is to lynch every party leader who fails his mission... This is a system I am wholeheartedly opposed to.
Still. I don't know why you think anybody was doing this at this point...
In Conclusion:
Nothing in this game is certain, but what I am certain of is that there's not a snowflake's prayer in hell I'm voting for either sandroba or syllo (or should I say sandollo?) until they provide more information on who they're bringing and why. I wasn't altogether serious about "running for office" before but I am now. I am unhappy with what I see and will be making a post outlining who I'll bring and why within the next couple hours.
Fair enough.
I got the general sense of unease in that he was misrepresenting Sandroba's campaign and misrepresenting people's intentions for voting. This is manipulative. I am still not sure it's scum manipulative, or a townie who is doing the wrong thing because he really wants to get a shot at leading a party.
Either way, I felt uncomfortable reading this post and the rest of GK's filter does not swing me towards a town interpretation of the manipulation.
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On November 22 2012 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
I just caught up, there's actually not a lot in the last 10 pages. The most interesting thing was kush's "action", which could be real or false given the heavy flavor. People seemed to ignore it for a bit, djo pointed it out and people still ignored it. Marv finally ended up reacting to it quite violently as if he was really pissed and knew what was going to happen...?
I mean "nirvana strike" isn't exactly the most imaginative, what makes you so sure it's an actual thing, marv?
It's an ability that Cyrus has in Chrono Trigger (yes, I looked that shit up in the chronopedia). Kush claims Cyrus and Nirvana Strikes marv. I can see no reason for Kush, who is playing a lousy game (even lousier than usual), to jump out of nowhere, fakeclaim and fake-ability Marv. It just makes way more sense for this to be real.
And given the way he did it, he is expecting to suicide with it. It is pathetic, but I see no reason to mistrust its authenticity.
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Read through Oats' filter more carefully, which is honestly rather painful to do. It is bubbly, it is fluffy and it is hard to decide what is going on inside his mind. He just seems really really energetic.
I recognize that this is a town quality for some. Players like Sandro and Palmar just give up the minute they see the red name in the role PM. Risk.nuke did a similar thing with SK last game. However, being energetic and excited in your first game ever is NOT a town trait: it is a trait of being excited.
That brings us to the content of his posts... and frankly this is a problem. There seems to be very little train-of-thought and a LOT of requiring confirmation from players that he feels are better than him. This could be insecurity, because it's his first game, or it could be scum trying to get town queues that he is on the right track.
His case on Clarity is not too good and he harps on about it a bit, but I don't feel this is alignment indicative. More problematic is his stance on Toad.
I am still unclear why he thinks that he can get a read on Toad. He has no experience playing with him and has been warned, repeatedly, that Toad is wiley. His reasons:
On November 22 2012 01:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Now I have to get his filter again, thanks Acro.. Yes I dont know Toad, he was basically given a slot in the game so I assume that he is some what proficient in the game of mafia. 1. I dont think that a scum would start his OPENING post with a scumread. 2. I think that its hard to fake as scum because, it is likely that his scum team will have some newbies and what he said in his few paragraphs are how to see scum which I see as only being beneficial as town. 3. I am leaning town on him AT THE MOMENT because again, posts like this help to inform town not to let things like this happen. Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.
Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by.
I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long.
They don't sound sincere.
He doesn't "think" scum would start their opening post with a scumread. I have no clue why he thinks that and could point to numerous games where this assumption is patently proven false. In fact, I would say it is the more common way for scum (or anybody) to start their games, especially if coming to the thread a bit late.
His second point is meaningless. It is speculation about what the scumteam consists of, and disregards the ability to coach in the QT.
And that's it. These are his reasons for having a townread on Toad. I am having a hard time seeing a newbie vote for Toad based on these two flimsy points.
A couple of hours later, we have:
On November 22 2012 09:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Nice 12 new pages to read...
I think with less than 24 hours left, we should consolidate on 2-3 candidates and let them townhunt and convince us that their party is the best, while the rest of us scum hunt
##Unvote
##Vote: Syllogism
Lets consolidate! All vote for Syllo. No explanation. This from the guy who a few hours before said:
On November 22 2012 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hmm..
Currently, after reading through his filter, I have a null read on Syllo.
What did you guys see that gave you a town read on Syllo?
And just after voting for Syllo he is starting to backtrack again:
On November 22 2012 10:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kita stop acting like dien....
It really isnt funny..
Anyone object to vote for either Sand/Syllo and want to propose an alternative candidate?
I will take the vets metaread on Toad, which was that he was very difficult to read as either alignment.
And then we have this gem:
On November 22 2012 12:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Diensore, I am not considering you because I dont know if you are town or scum. Simple as that.
He is perfectly willing to vote for Syllo without knowing whether he is town or scum, yet not Dieno. Completely inconsistent behaviour.
Some more fuel for the "need other people to agree with me"-train-of-thought:
On November 22 2012 18:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Currently I am on Syllo, but I would like more people to chime in and vote for their preferred candidate as well in order to confirm my decision.
I am having a very hard time drawing a consistent line of thought in his thinking. However, it is not an erratic lack of line, like in Kush or BillMurray's plays. Oatmaster is indicating in other ways that he has a solid grasp of logic.
I don't immediately lean scum from this: it is his first game and he might just be over-enthusiastic, yet insecure about his own ability. However, I don't see how you can get a town read with this kind of play.
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EBWOP: I am having a hard time seeing a newbie TOWN vote for Toad on these two flimsy points.
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On November 21 2012 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:59 Acrofales wrote:On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward.
We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected. You're really hanging this on the assumption that scum doesn't have safe claims. In general, I hate mass claims, because they break the game AND have a large chance to backfire. Who said I was suggesting a mass claim? I'm saying we could use a single name claim, only after we identify that the alignments in this game line up with the alignments in the video game. The mafia likely does have safe claims, but if we select a character at random, the odds are in our favor. The rewards certainly outweigh the risks in my opinion.
Just caught this: is there something in your role that seems to indicate that alignments are different from game alignments? I for one have no reason to suspect so.
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Kita, I don't like your "not taking with me" post at all.
On November 22 2012 11:19 kitaman27 wrote:
iamperfection: His spammy one liners annoy me. I think his post in support of syllo made it look like he decided to vote for syllo and then look for a reason to justify it, rather than the other way around.
While I agree that iamperfection is a terrible choice and probably scum, your being annoyed is not a scumtell.
marv:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 22:28 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 21:42 kitaman27 wrote:
There are quite a few people who claim to be voting for sandroba on the basis that they claim to be able to easily differentiate his scum play from his town play. The only reason I see this as the case is that he commonly gets lazy and stops caring or posting as mafia. However, that's simply due to personal choice. How many people here other than maybe syllo are confidant they can identify a scum sandro when he remains active? Having played with him in pypi (an election game), I know he is quite capable of fooling most people when there is something he wants.
I'm quite puzzled by the fact that marv hasn't run for election. As being one of the most active players recently, I think he would be fairly confident at being able to gain support for himself. As town, I know I want to be the leader because that is the only way to directly increase our chances of success. marv however appears to want to avoid the spotlight and participate in an advising role or at least gauge the support he has. Could you explain this decision?
Work time. I'll try to start identifying some town players when I get back if I'm confident enough. I'm not interested at running for party leader atm. And it's not about gauging support, I'd probably just tell town to vote for me from the get go if I wanted it. Why don't I want it? Like syllo I've been hoping to be somewhat 'lazy'. While I will give this game my full attention like any other, partly I've come along for the ride. I don't want to dominate this game (for better or worse) like I'm capable of doing. Plus I don't feel very at home in themed setups like this. There are going to be some differences in how scum/town players act compared to normal setups, and I don't know what they are yet. There are a few players in this game who I hold in extremely high regard (I think are better than me) and in that situation I feel somewhat insecure. If those players weren't in the game I'm pretty sure I would be standing for party leader because I'd think I knew best out of everyone playing, but I don't think that in this game. I found this reply quite lackluster. You don't want to run for leader because you're insecure? Do you value helping out the town or not making yourself look bad more? You refer to players you hold in extreme regard, which clearly can only point to myself, yet you have been against my election from the start. Additionally, how does this being a themed game impact your ability to identify townies? This seems like quite a cop out.
Healthy mistrust of Marv is okay. I am starting to like how he's playing, but as you said, there are some things wrong with what he has done. I am not leaning scum. I think a scum Marv would absolutely want to run. However, 3rd party is completely possible.
risk.nuke
Besides the fact that he is probably scum, this jerk taunted me by pretending to be interested in hosting a newbie game and then proceeded to ignore my pms. What a scumbag move.
A joke, and a "he's scum", without an explanation. Mind expanding this read. I am so far not getting scumvibes on risk.
strongandbig
His opinions have been pretty vanilla thus far. I don't think his contributions have earned him a spot yet.
Cautiously null. Why single out SnB of all the players you are probably cautiously null on. This just seems weird, and weird things from someone who is otherwise making a lot of sense make me suspicious.
kushm4sta
I'm always weary of an erratic player that is behaving himself.
True, and at the time I agreed. His wacko suicide claim makes me lean town, though. Also, I am inclined to believe he is sick, which is a damned good excuse for not playing his normal post-alot self. If you notice, the few posts he made are still rather erratic, they're just not as omnipresent.
So all in all, this list is pretty damned weaksauce, which makes me wonder why it is here in the first place. At first my eye slipped over it and I thought, "hah, Kita is posting some good content", but on a doubletake it really is not good content at all.
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Ugh, I should probably consolidate my thoughts and questions for Kita. He is really puzzling me. Here is the next question:
On November 22 2012 11:31 kitaman27 wrote:
Finally, the Frog role claim may be the most important event that has taken place this game. There needs to be more discussion about it. I'll post my thoughts later tonight.
These thoughts never came...
From his selected party, it seems obvious he believes the claim and believes Frog to be town (or a beneficial third party at least). He confirms this opinion (or the claim is the confirmation) with Dino's filter. This is somewhat in contrast to his earlier thoughts, where player characters were suspect until mod confirmation through flips.
Kita: I really need more info if I am to consider you seriously. I don't like Sandro because I have not yet made up my own mind and Syllo's caution is weighing heavily on my mind. I don't like Syllo, because he is too secretive. You are making a lot of sense. To decide between you three, I want all three of you to post your thoughts, answer questions and allow me to make up my mind.
@Dieno: I think you're probably town. Don't give me no bullshit about a poll. Who would you take in your party?
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On November 22 2012 23:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 23:07 Acrofales wrote:
Ugh, I should probably consolidate my thoughts and questions for Kita. He is really puzzling me. Here is the next question:
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Kita: I really need more info if I am to consider you seriously. You are making a lot of sense. To decide between you three, I want all three of you to post your thoughts, answer questions and allow me to make up my mind.
Which is it?
Both. His posts make a lot of sense, but his alignment is puzzling me.
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On November 22 2012 23:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 23:26 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:14 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 23:07 Acrofales wrote:
Ugh, I should probably consolidate my thoughts and questions for Kita. He is really puzzling me. Here is the next question:
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Kita: I really need more info if I am to consider you seriously. You are making a lot of sense. To decide between you three, I want all three of you to post your thoughts, answer questions and allow me to make up my mind.
Which is it? Both. His posts make a lot of sense, but his alignment is puzzling me. You dissected his reads post well enough yourself. Presumably you do not characterise that post as "making a lot of sense", then. Was it just an anomaly?
Well, I don't disagree with any of his reads, so in that sense it makes a lot of sense. What doesn't make a lot of sense is why that post even exists and why there is so little explanation in it...
Before I talk more, I would like to hear from Kita himself, though. I want to hear what he has to say, and if I talk more then he will know what to say to make me feel good about him.
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On November 22 2012 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
I like questioning people, and I think it works best if it's like a conversation rather than me post a blurb of text followed by a single question, when that method of gets shut down as being called spammy or useless I guess it got me down.
My goal for today is to scumhunt. I think the election thing is important but I don't have to post much for it, just have to find my biggest townread who is running and look at their reads and see if I agree. If I do, that's great, back to scumhunting.
I haven't been as succesful, or I guess felt as succesful, as I did last game. I'll definitely have some reads ready before resolution period though.
I'm just bitter that you get away with playing the way I want to play, but I don't, I guess.
<coaching mode>
I think the main difference between Marv's questions and your questions is that Marv's always seem to lead somewhere. They are poignant things that, when read, make one think "hey, I would like to know that". For instance, his questioning me just now made me actually think MORE about my own posts and Kita, and analyze my own thought process. Me being forced to post that, gives everybody an insight into how I think and that is an incredibly important tool for scumhunting.
However, your questions seem to be more sidetracks. Something like this:
On November 21 2012 12:02 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:59 sandroba wrote:
Yes. I have the power of logic on my side. It's very rare these days. So you're saying that you deduced that scum will know hp by flavor claims, or anything for that matter? Please explain to us idiots.
Questions like this are not scumhunting, they are questions about setup, and Sandro's thought process will not be laid bare in this way. A couple of questions like this is fine. Too many and people get tired and label you as unproductive.
Questions/statements like this:
On November 21 2012 13:16 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:13 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 21 2012 13:05 iamperfection wrote:
also why do we have to have the leader select all 3 wouldn't it be best for the town to put some input on the other team members? That was my original train of thought. But should the decision become the leader's, that puts a TON of pressure on him (if he is very transparent in his thoughts), and helps consolidate our read on said leader. But if we put up our strongest townread, doesn't that defeat the purpose? I think we should play more to our wincon when it comes to missions and just scumhunt like it's a regular game.
are somewhere between meaningless and stating the obvious. There seems to be quite a lot of that in your filter.
In general, going through your filter it is hard to find what you are trying to accomplish with your questions. That is not a good thing. The disconnectedness and one-liners make your filter hard to read and seem very fluffy. I think that is probably what Marv is getting at when he asks what you are trying to accomplish.
</coaching mode>
I have no clue what to think of you atm, Clarity, which is why I'm bothering with the coaching. If I thought you were scum that would be pointless.
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On November 22 2012 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Acro you cant ignore my response to your post  It took like 15 minutes to actually type it out.. Our vote for party leader has to be cast before the 47 hour limit right? And 47 hours from the start is around 9 hours from now right? I dont want to wake up too late and miss the vote time.
I acknowledge that you made a response. Does that make you warm and fuzzy inside?
Why do you need me to respond?
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On November 22 2012 23:38 Toadesstern wrote:
A finally TL is working for me again, back to what I was saying earlier in the morning when I wasn't able to open the votingthread or this thread anymore.
I think we should be voting Kita.
I love voting Kita.
##vote Kita
If I read your train of thought straight, then your only reason for voting Kita is because there is no bandwagon on him. That is a supremely shitty reason to vote for Kita and you know it.
What do you think of Kita? What do you think of the things Marv and I pointed out? What do you think of his team suggestion? Do you agree with him that Prom, Dieno and I are town?
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On November 22 2012 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:RIght.. so you asked certain questions and when I answer them you dont care . well. Also how hard is it to delete irrelevant parts of a quote if you are not going to address/answer them?
Oh, I care. I just don't see what my answering your answer would accomplish.
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On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p
What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question.
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On November 22 2012 23:54 syllogism wrote:
Okay acro, if you are town you are compelled to vote for me now for being inside your mind
Explain your read on Sandroba a bit better. Your read felt too much based on emotions which is something I cannot follow as I am not inside your head (despite you being inside mine).
Also, explain to me in detail what purpose the secrecy serves. You say it's to prevent scum manipulation of the party vote, because someone is bound to include scum. However, I fail to see how blindly trusting you to prick through all scum ploys is a step up from that: if you're town and confident in your town reads, you can gain more votes by posting your party. That will increase the chance of you and your townie frends being chosen to go on a mission, with victory for all! Secrecy seems counterproductive.
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On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else.
Okay, let me rephrase:
Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well).
Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process?
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On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope
Then please explain your thought process instead of being intentionally counterproductive.
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