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EBWOP:
Let me reword that: Why exactly do you think pursuing a Sandroba or Kita lynch has no merit?
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EBWOP#2:
I should add further that indeed Toad could be scum, but I don't get why your read on him would stronger than a scum read on Sandroba.
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But hasn't sandra been just as worthless? I'll have to re-read your filter but it doesn't quite add up to me why toad would so much more definitely be scum than sandroba on that basis.
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On November 25 2012 05:17 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:02 Clarity_nl wrote:I'll read his filter a bit closer, one of his latest posts I like quite a bit, it's still not scumhunting though, I admit: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 01:42 Toadesstern wrote:Okay done reading. Marv looks definitely better d2 so I'll ignore him for now. Sandroba looks the same way he did d2 so I still think he's the best way to go, not to mention that it's not that much time left. So much for the changes for d1 to d2. Drazerk looks like a madmen, like you guys said and well it's Drazerk.... Those people get shot and not lynched, it's as simple as that. A lynch on Drazerk is a (imo) random lynch as he could be doing that from both points of view and I don't have an idea what's going on in his head. Additionally I'd say that's probably not going to change that soon, which is why I'd say we let vigs deal with him, both to get rid of him and to make sure we don't have a Drazerk lynch that gives us 0 information while flipping like a dice role. The bad thing about lynching Drazerk is that anyone and their mom can hop on that lynch and say "herpa derp it's Drazerk, let's lynch him beacuse he's anti-town" and after the lynch we're in complete chaos because he either flipped red and everyone's pissed at those who thought he shouldn't be lynched because he's always like that or he's going to flip his chef / invoker thingie and people we don't get anything out of it because he was doing bullshit after all. TL; dr: Don't lynch that guy, shoot him. Completly ignore him in all other regards. Other than that I don't really like Chroniclers fashion of going after people. Can't help but feel that he thinks he needs to emphasize and point out very obvious things a lot. Could be me omgusing though, so I'd rather have some input from someone else about that. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:31 Dienosore wrote:On November 24 2012 23:01 Toadesstern wrote:
screw that
##vote Sandro I mapped you voting for sandro a long time ago. Why do you feel the need to vote him again, and in such a lackadaisical manner? [...] I didn't. On the start of d2 I said I'd like to vote for Sandro, maybe marv, went to the trainstation and was basicly afk for 24 hours. Now I'm back and gave a heads up on my current thoughts. I usually don't feel the need to copy&paste what I said earlier if nothing changed but I can do that from now on if it you makes you feel better :p I actually haven't understood your map yet, like Marv said I've been mainly mentioning Sand and him d1&d2 so far, maybe Keir a little d1 but I think I made it very clear that that was on purpose to get something going and I don't see arrows between Marv and me. But than again who knows what arrow belongs to what person  Why do you like that? It's actually a terrible post. He says he's null on marv, troll on drazerk and gives some waffling account of that he wants other people to tell him what to think of chronicler. He calls Dienosore useless (or unintelligible at best). Way to be COMPLETELY noncommittal. What is there to like in that post? What I am still missing is an explanation for why he voted Sandro. Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:55 Toadesstern wrote:On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. Only remotely normal game I remember Sandroba being scum is Liar mafia. His meta was blatantly obvious there, because he just plain didn't care about the game. That is not the impression I am getting from him. I have played with town Sandroba a couple of times now, and am getting a similar feeling. The main difference is that he has gone awol for long stretches of time. I don't like that at all, but admit real world stuff does come up and interfere with playing sometimes. I am uncomfortable lynching Sandroba with the ONLY thing I can hold against him is that he was afk when it counted. Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Toad doesn't have a meta read on Sandro at all. He has a "Syllo is town, therefore Sandro must be scum" read based on the party leader elections, which is pants-on-head retarded. nope I had a meta read on Sandro up until yesterday. He was way to "friendly" when talking to syllo imo which again is a reason I liked syllos conversation with him. Town Sandro usually isn't open at all and tries to net people, by being sneaking and laying traps, so I didn't like what he was showing on d1. Problem about meta reads is you can't explain them because as someone else stated I don't think reading an old game is anything like playing it. You've got to be in the game yourself you're referring to imo. I'm saying "had" because what sandro said today, especially him being pissed makes me rethink things a bit... but I'd still say he's mafia considering that I'm not and syllo's probably not either. Yeah I'd say mafia had their eggs in the basked. This, and the fact that he thinks there is a scum in Syllo+Sandro, are the only reasons he gives for wanting to lynch Sandro. If Sandro flips town, it is impossible to peg Toad to this lynch.
So if we sheep you instead and vote for Toad, for reasons similar to why people are voting Sandro, how does that make us better off? If Toad flips town, isn't it the same kind of scenario?
Or is it that sandro seems to have massive support, and that it must be mafia-influenced?
With as little as Sandro has tried to establish himself as town this game, if he is scum I would fully expect his team would bus him, especially with Syllo on his lynch bandwagon.
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On November 25 2012 05:33 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:28 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 05:17 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 05:02 Clarity_nl wrote:I'll read his filter a bit closer, one of his latest posts I like quite a bit, it's still not scumhunting though, I admit: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 01:42 Toadesstern wrote:Okay done reading. Marv looks definitely better d2 so I'll ignore him for now. Sandroba looks the same way he did d2 so I still think he's the best way to go, not to mention that it's not that much time left. So much for the changes for d1 to d2. Drazerk looks like a madmen, like you guys said and well it's Drazerk.... Those people get shot and not lynched, it's as simple as that. A lynch on Drazerk is a (imo) random lynch as he could be doing that from both points of view and I don't have an idea what's going on in his head. Additionally I'd say that's probably not going to change that soon, which is why I'd say we let vigs deal with him, both to get rid of him and to make sure we don't have a Drazerk lynch that gives us 0 information while flipping like a dice role. The bad thing about lynching Drazerk is that anyone and their mom can hop on that lynch and say "herpa derp it's Drazerk, let's lynch him beacuse he's anti-town" and after the lynch we're in complete chaos because he either flipped red and everyone's pissed at those who thought he shouldn't be lynched because he's always like that or he's going to flip his chef / invoker thingie and people we don't get anything out of it because he was doing bullshit after all. TL; dr: Don't lynch that guy, shoot him. Completly ignore him in all other regards. Other than that I don't really like Chroniclers fashion of going after people. Can't help but feel that he thinks he needs to emphasize and point out very obvious things a lot. Could be me omgusing though, so I'd rather have some input from someone else about that. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:31 Dienosore wrote:On November 24 2012 23:01 Toadesstern wrote:
screw that
##vote Sandro I mapped you voting for sandro a long time ago. Why do you feel the need to vote him again, and in such a lackadaisical manner? [...] I didn't. On the start of d2 I said I'd like to vote for Sandro, maybe marv, went to the trainstation and was basicly afk for 24 hours. Now I'm back and gave a heads up on my current thoughts. I usually don't feel the need to copy&paste what I said earlier if nothing changed but I can do that from now on if it you makes you feel better :p I actually haven't understood your map yet, like Marv said I've been mainly mentioning Sand and him d1&d2 so far, maybe Keir a little d1 but I think I made it very clear that that was on purpose to get something going and I don't see arrows between Marv and me. But than again who knows what arrow belongs to what person Why do you like that? It's actually a terrible post. He says he's null on marv, troll on drazerk and gives some waffling account of that he wants other people to tell him what to think of chronicler. He calls Dienosore useless (or unintelligible at best). Way to be COMPLETELY noncommittal. What is there to like in that post? What I am still missing is an explanation for why he voted Sandro. On November 24 2012 03:55 Toadesstern wrote:On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. Only remotely normal game I remember Sandroba being scum is Liar mafia. His meta was blatantly obvious there, because he just plain didn't care about the game. That is not the impression I am getting from him. I have played with town Sandroba a couple of times now, and am getting a similar feeling. The main difference is that he has gone awol for long stretches of time. I don't like that at all, but admit real world stuff does come up and interfere with playing sometimes. I am uncomfortable lynching Sandroba with the ONLY thing I can hold against him is that he was afk when it counted. Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Toad doesn't have a meta read on Sandro at all. He has a "Syllo is town, therefore Sandro must be scum" read based on the party leader elections, which is pants-on-head retarded. nope I had a meta read on Sandro up until yesterday. He was way to "friendly" when talking to syllo imo which again is a reason I liked syllos conversation with him. Town Sandro usually isn't open at all and tries to net people, by being sneaking and laying traps, so I didn't like what he was showing on d1. Problem about meta reads is you can't explain them because as someone else stated I don't think reading an old game is anything like playing it. You've got to be in the game yourself you're referring to imo. I'm saying "had" because what sandro said today, especially him being pissed makes me rethink things a bit... but I'd still say he's mafia considering that I'm not and syllo's probably not either. Yeah I'd say mafia had their eggs in the basked. This, and the fact that he thinks there is a scum in Syllo+Sandro, are the only reasons he gives for wanting to lynch Sandro. If Sandro flips town, it is impossible to peg Toad to this lynch. So if we sheep you instead and vote for Toad, for reasons similar to why people are voting Sandro, how does that make us better off? If Toad flips town, isn't it the same kind of scenario? Or is it that sandro seems to have massive support, and that it must be mafia-influenced? With as little as Sandro has tried to establish himself as town this game, if he is scum I would fully expect his team would bus him, especially with Syllo on his lynch bandwagon. I'm not telling you to sheep me, although I guess I would be honored. I am asking you to read my case, read Toad's filter and make up your own mind. I have voiced my opinion. I will try to sway the general public with lots of armwaving and explaining why Toad is scum, but in the end it's YOU who has to make up your mind. So. Why do YOU think Sandro is scum. Fairly certain you're one of those people who is sheeping Syllo for no apparent reason other than Syllo says, so it must be so.
If you were to read my filter, you would know:
On November 24 2012 13:34 goodkarma wrote:
I can understand the excuses that Sandroba has provided, but I find the complete lack of followup on who he would consider a prime scum suspect to be disturbing. It's as though he is holding back, maybe... because he's scum, and as scum making up even a half-baked scumread is hard for him. I would really like to see him take some initiative and actually help town out. He continues to fail to deliver in this department, which would leave me to believe that his complete apathy and lack of involvement in this game is indeed scum-driven.
I will keep my vote on Sandroba for the time being. Syllo has all but proven himself to be town at this point, and I will change my vote from Sandroba only if he somehow believes he isn't scum after his latest post. This only because I don't feel my scumread on Sandroba is strong enough without the reaffirmation. And yes, sheeping makes me a hypotwit...
I am going to now focus my attention on TheChronicler and Kitaman
Yes, there is a bit of "sheeping" on my part there. But in the absence of a better scum read, on Sandro is where my vote will stay. I have heard nothing from you that convinces me that Toad is any more likely to flip scum than Sandro is, or even that getting Toad lynched instead will provide any additional information.
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On November 25 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ goodkarma
If you think they're both equal but you voted for Sandro first and that's why you stay, consider that Toad has actually stayed active but produced just as much content as Toad.
This is a good point, but it's not like Sandro has been perma-afk or anything. He has been incredibly inactive, but when he has been here he has had nothing to contribute except in defense of himself. This has been brought up before, but it is the same kind of scumtell as you're using for the case against Toad.
I won't be upset if Toad is lynched. However, that syllo is on Sandro, and I know that syllo is town, is enough to tip the scales in favor of lynching sandro for me.
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On November 25 2012 05:52 CaveJohnson wrote:
Is toad a reverse fool?
also Hi sorry for my absence.
Don't apologize. We've come to expect you to contribute nothing of value.
Maybe provide an actual opinion and vote? That would be nice.
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On November 25 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Sandro looks to be heading to a modkill, and for those of you voting for him, it's worth it to consider another voting option as to not waste the lynch for today. Toad perhaps.
For what it's worth, I'll check back into this thread and change my vote to Toad if this indeed becomes the case.
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On November 25 2012 07:01 phagga wrote:
hey all, i'm back. I'm currently reading from page 113. If anyone has urgent questions to me, please point them to me here, i will refresh this page every 2 minutes or so to address them.
My vote is currently on CaveJohnson.
CaveJohnson has ZERO chance of getting lynched right now... You're not doing us any favors by not weighing in on the two main candidates...
If you were to choose between Toad and Sandroba, who would it be and why?
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On November 25 2012 07:00 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:49 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ goodkarma
If you think they're both equal but you voted for Sandro first and that's why you stay, consider that Toad has actually stayed active but produced just as much content as Toad. This is a good point, but it's not like Sandro has been perma-afk or anything. He has been incredibly inactive, but when he has been here he has had nothing to contribute except in defense of himself. This has been brought up before, but it is the same kind of scumtell as you're using for the case against Toad. I won't be upset if Toad is lynched. However, that syllo is on Sandro, and I know that syllo is town, is enough to tip the scales in favor of lynching sandro for me. How the hell do you KNOW that syllo is town? He's not confirmed town by any means.
I am under the working assumption that he is town based off mission success. In other words... what iamp said.
Unless you plan on making a last-minute wagon on me due to this one instance of poor word choice, though, perhaps weighing in on the two main candidates would be a better use of your time?
My mind is blown that with an hour left to go people nitpick over things like this when really the only question you should be asking is: Sandroba or Toad?
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On November 25 2012 07:19 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 07:13 goodkarma wrote:
My mind is blown that with an hour left to go people nitpick over things like this when really the only question you should be asking is: Sandroba or Toad? Really? your suggesting we shouldn't be still scumhunting and have tunnel vision. Keriharti nitpicking and aggression there is also a town tell in my view. He is suspicious in a good way. Your point there was scummy as shit. You think we should have blinders on right now really?
We need to consolidate. Anything more than 2 candidates is that much easier for mafia to manipulate. Hence what I said. Now like 40 mins. left. Yes, it would be pretty absurd imho to try jumping on someone else at this point unless they outright waved their arms and said "I'm scum."
I stand by what I said and would suggest that maybe instead of making remarks like this you spend a little more time discussing the candidates, especially toad.
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On November 25 2012 07:23 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 07:13 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 07:00 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 05:49 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ goodkarma
If you think they're both equal but you voted for Sandro first and that's why you stay, consider that Toad has actually stayed active but produced just as much content as Toad. This is a good point, but it's not like Sandro has been perma-afk or anything. He has been incredibly inactive, but when he has been here he has had nothing to contribute except in defense of himself. This has been brought up before, but it is the same kind of scumtell as you're using for the case against Toad. I won't be upset if Toad is lynched. However, that syllo is on Sandro, and I know that syllo is town, is enough to tip the scales in favor of lynching sandro for me. How the hell do you KNOW that syllo is town? He's not confirmed town by any means. I am under the working assumption that he is town based off mission success. In other words... what iamp said. Unless you plan on making a last-minute wagon on me due to this one instance of poor word choice, though, perhaps weighing in on the two main candidates would be a better use of your time? My mind is blown that with an hour left to go people nitpick over things like this when really the only question you should be asking is: Sandroba or Toad? I'm working on a post about Sandro and Toad. It takes time to write up something like that, and I keep refreshing the end of the thread to see if there's any kind of new evidence or opinions that I should take into account. But that comment was more than just a "poor" choice of words. I've had a few posts this game that were misconstrued because of a poor choice of words, but what you said was borderline scumslip. If it wasn't so late in the day, I would put more research into you, but I just don't have time.
Good call. I am more than happy to discuss any case you bring against me. But for now let's focus on the matter at hand.
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On November 25 2012 07:34 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 07:29 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 07:23 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 07:13 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 07:00 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 05:49 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ goodkarma
If you think they're both equal but you voted for Sandro first and that's why you stay, consider that Toad has actually stayed active but produced just as much content as Toad. This is a good point, but it's not like Sandro has been perma-afk or anything. He has been incredibly inactive, but when he has been here he has had nothing to contribute except in defense of himself. This has been brought up before, but it is the same kind of scumtell as you're using for the case against Toad. I won't be upset if Toad is lynched. However, that syllo is on Sandro, and I know that syllo is town, is enough to tip the scales in favor of lynching sandro for me. How the hell do you KNOW that syllo is town? He's not confirmed town by any means. I am under the working assumption that he is town based off mission success. In other words... what iamp said. Unless you plan on making a last-minute wagon on me due to this one instance of poor word choice, though, perhaps weighing in on the two main candidates would be a better use of your time? My mind is blown that with an hour left to go people nitpick over things like this when really the only question you should be asking is: Sandroba or Toad? I'm working on a post about Sandro and Toad. It takes time to write up something like that, and I keep refreshing the end of the thread to see if there's any kind of new evidence or opinions that I should take into account. But that comment was more than just a "poor" choice of words. I've had a few posts this game that were misconstrued because of a poor choice of words, but what you said was borderline scumslip. If it wasn't so late in the day, I would put more research into you, but I just don't have time. Good call. I am more than happy to discuss any case you bring against me. But for now let's focus on the matter at hand. the matter at hand is that a good amount of sandroba's voters are lurky sheepers... Adam, risk.nuke, S&B and one or two other that I forget. There is not enough people is the thread right now to change anything. Sandrba lynch is sealed imo...
I'm still here, and I'll switch to toad last-minute if it's clear sandroba is going to be modkilled.
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Sandroba is likely going to be modkilled.
I'm changing my vote.
##Unvote
##Vote: Toad
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Good job all. I missed the part about the modkilled being replaced...
##Vote Syllo
I propose we vote our leader, and spend the rest of this cycle scumhunting.
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On November 25 2012 10:12 GreYMisT wrote:
Everyone I am very sorry for this, It should have been included in the daypost but I rushed it. Luckily I caught it only an hour in and this shall be editied in.
In addition to the party only being able to contain half of the same players as the previous party, the same party leader may not be elected twice in a row.
This means syllogism is ineligible to be elected as leader. This was supposed to be explained via flavor but you know...
Again very sorry that this information was not presented to you guys immediately.
That makes things harder...
So, it should be a no-brainer to shoo in one of the people from the previous successful party.
I would rather not have dienosaur as party leader.
Between Oats and Keir, I flipped a coin and it came up...
##Vote: Keirathi
But in all seriousness, Oats and Keir do not have Syllo-esque reads, and I believe it would be best if they have some guidance for who else they bring. Even if it's just Syllo telling one of them exactly what to do (In fact, I'd approve of this idea.).
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On November 25 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity
I think he's town, and I trust his town-reading ability more than any possible alternatives at this point.
Keep in mind there are other ways of going about this.
Working under the premise that the successful team day one is all but confirmed town, we can cherry pick from that to form a team as quickly as possible.
Pick a decent townie (like Keir), and then use the member whose judgement is arguably strongest (syllo) to determine the remainder of the party to be selected.
Sure, it involves lots of sheeping, but it is a very sound way of removing any potential for mafia manipulation in the selection process.
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On November 25 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:30 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity
I think he's town, and I trust his town-reading ability more than any possible alternatives at this point. Keep in mind there are other ways of going about this. Working under the premise that the successful team day one is all but confirmed town, we can cherry pick from that to form a team as quickly as possible. Pick a decent townie (like Keir), and then use the member whose judgement is arguably strongest (syllo) to determine the remainder of the party to be selected. Sure, it involves lots of sheeping, but it is a very sound way of removing any potential for mafia manipulation in the selection process. Well I think there's more consideration than just to create a team that's as "safe" as possible. One of the functions of running these missions is to confirm people as town. In that regard, I don't mind electing players that I'm strongly reading as town, as opposed to "confirmed" townies (via previous mission). We can confirm strong town reads if success, or a possible failure could alert us to a dangerous scumplayer.
Really? I thought the function of these missions was winning...
We can only have half the party from last time anyway, so some confirming will be involved. But why not leave the reigns in the hands of people we (pretty much with absolute certainty) know to be town?
I see no down-side.
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On November 25 2012 10:37 Keirathi wrote:
So, my proposed party if people want me to be leader
1) Dieno - as close to confirmed town as it gets.
2) marv - despite getting niggles day 1 from his reluctance to running for party leader AND he generally less aggressive attitude, I feel like his day 2 play is exactly what I expect from a town marv
Not really sure about the last spot though. My gut says Acrofales is pretty obvious town because of the way he's been actively trying to solve the game, having discussions to clarify opinions with everyone he wants to talk about, etc etc. But, I'm not really very familiar with his town play much (mostly just reading ACME), nor his scum play at all.
I also read Marv as town, but I don't know how I feel about him being put in a party. From what I've heard, he has a crazy good scum game, so perhaps choosing another person would be best...
Also: Could you clarify once and for all what your early game comment about having a low success modifier was about?
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On November 25 2012 10:39 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:37 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 10:30 goodkarma wrote:On November 25 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity
I think he's town, and I trust his town-reading ability more than any possible alternatives at this point. Keep in mind there are other ways of going about this. Working under the premise that the successful team day one is all but confirmed town, we can cherry pick from that to form a team as quickly as possible. Pick a decent townie (like Keir), and then use the member whose judgement is arguably strongest (syllo) to determine the remainder of the party to be selected. Sure, it involves lots of sheeping, but it is a very sound way of removing any potential for mafia manipulation in the selection process. Well I think there's more consideration than just to create a team that's as "safe" as possible. One of the functions of running these missions is to confirm people as town. In that regard, I don't mind electing players that I'm strongly reading as town, as opposed to "confirmed" townies (via previous mission). We can confirm strong town reads if success, or a possible failure could alert us to a dangerous scumplayer. Really? I thought the function of these missions was winning... We can only have half the party from last time anyway, so some confirming will be involved. But why not leave the reigns in the hands of people we (pretty much with absolute certainty) know to be town? I see no down-side. Well I honestly don't know what the success/failure of a mission determines behind the scenes. However, missions can confirm people as town, and we also need to consider that aspect of it when making a decision.
All that winning gave us last time was the chance to lynch. If that's all that happens when things go well, then, yeah, I'd rather not learn what happens when we fail...
Hint: I doubt we'll be able to lynch.
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