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On December 03 2012 00:48 strongandbig wrote: i have no good explanation for this, only speculation. however given that my ability is basically a stealth heal, it seems very likely that mafia has similar stealth damage abilities that either work by reducing max hp, canceling healing, or some other mechanism i haven't thought of yet. a poisoner ability is also possible, where someone would die after a delay but wouldn't take damage, so dieno could have been protected from death without being at 1hp. it does seem weird that mafia would use this on frog but maybe they were more concerned with taking him out before he could fix masamune than they were with killing good "traditional mafia" players like syllogism. Nights 2 and 5... NOW. | ||
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On December 03 2012 00:51 syllogism wrote: Did it ever occur to you to use it on Drazerk? Did it ever occur to you to use your role as a role check? I kind of want to believe you because I don't understand why mafia chose to shoot frog on d1 and then ignored him for 2 days for no apparent reason. It seems likely to me that they shot marvel+dienosore d1, but didn't have enough KP to inflict 665 damage on those two and that they believed some third party also targeted dienosore. To be fair, 3rd party DID hit Dienosore. I know I hit him for 75 damage. Add 250 of SnB and there's only 120 damage left from unclaimed (scum) sources. Weird number, but if dealt in portions of 100 and 20, then it makes some sense. Overall, I still think there is way too much wrong with SnB's claim to make me believe the healing part of it. It is also far simpler for me to believe SnB shot Dieno than that there is a poisoner (who has so far only targeted Dieno) or secret damage in amounts large enough to make Dieno die N4. | ||
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Also, with Spekkio being scum, who knows what a Nu is. It is so far the ONLY character claimed that you actually have to fight against in the game.. except for risk.nuke and I completely mistrust risk.nuke too. | ||
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On December 03 2012 03:39 austinmcc wrote: Okay, so here's an observation. Last event, we grabbed for the sword. There was no phase 2 of the Slash fight. So we know that these events don't play out 1:1 with the analogous bits of the game. We both chose something you CAN'T do in game, and got a result that CAN'T HAPPEN in game. I still like using the game to inform our choices in the events, but we need to be careful not to think we KNOW that this will work out the same as the game. As to the path, would rather avoid traps. Something like "traps in the game --> xp and items" is one of the things i DON'T think will carry over. This mafia game is already incredibly complex, but that seems like going a little too far with it. So I'd rather take the path that looks like it might not hit traps, B. Magus also probably isn't 1:1 with his game version. We're basically starting on the second phase of the fight, after his barrier is down. From what I remember, healing in the fight draws things out and you probably eat a bunch of dark matters while trying to stay ahead of them with heals. But the limits of this game mean Grey (probably?) can't draw the magus fight out for a bunch of 24 hour periods, and so healing/not dying sounds better to me than trying to end the fight quickly by attacking with everything. So even though I'd probably go with B in the game itself, A sounds like a better deal within the confines of mafia. I'm used to better from you. Your analysis in LVI impressed me enough that I pushed the scumteam to shoot you over some more renowned players. Your posts so far have been speculation about the events, which while important, are basically a distraction from the game of Mafia. This post in particular is using a lot of words to rehash what has been said already. Despite this, I realize replacing into this game must be hard. Reading 180 pages of posts is tough, but you come in with some fresh views. All I want from you at the moment is that you share some of these thoughts. Zbo was lurking badly after some rather dubious actions in the early game. You got anything other than setup speculation? Lets hear from you, a fresh perspective: what do you think of Hapa, SnB, GK, risk and anybody who struck you as looking like scum. What is your opinion of CJ and his inconsistent claims? Come out of the shadows and share your ideas! | ||
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1. Useless and 2. Unverifiable. Trolololol. The only question that remains in my mind is why would SnB be dumb enough to claim this and verify that it really is an utterly destructive ability for town? In fact, if there is one person in this game who should know better, it is a scum SnB: he was scum in SSM, the only game where I have seen an early mass claim completely wipe scum from the face of the game, due to a combination of Sandroba's genius and scum completely bolloxing up their fakeclaims. | ||
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On December 03 2012 06:01 austinmcc wrote: I overestimated my ability to read through 260 pages of mafia, let alone 260 pages in a game that was heavily themed and so there's all sorts of other stuff going on. Right now I'm playing this like I did PTP3. I'm a warm body; I plan on mainly doing setup speculation when needed, just because I have no idea what's gone on before. It worked out alright there as the game progressing, but I guess I was confirmed that game so I wasn't under any suspicion. SnB has popped up a bunch recently; I'll look back through his past stuff. My gut read right now is that he's scum, but I want to see if there's anything beyond the roleclaim to go off of. Can you narrow down the other folks to one or two that you're particularly interested in? I know CJ is drazerk(yes?), but I haven't really seen much from non-SnBs in that group and would need to hit a filter or two for thoughts. Yup, CJ is Drazerk. GK would be good to have your opinion on. He has been rather actively defending himself and I fear everybody here is getting some confirmation bias one way or the other. Hapa for a similar reason. That should be a decent start  | ||
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On December 03 2012 06:51 Hopeless1der wrote: so the conclusion is SnB is town or retarded scum? Well, I see absolutely NO reason for town to have this ability in the first place. Scum trueclaiming is not going to happen, so all it serves is to shoot fellow townies. Raising max HP seems so utterly useless (unless we suddenly get to use a shelter/inn sometime in the game, which seems horribly unlikely) that I guess I mixed in a bit of postgame discussion there. SnB is scum for claiming an ability that has no town purpose at all. | ||
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On December 03 2012 09:19 CaveJohnson wrote: If we go to the end of time we can learn magic. However he did flip scum so it might not happen but it is our best bet to get additional powers. We've already been there. I didn't learn magic the first time round. | ||
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Okay, going forward there are two options: 1. Our choices caused Djodreff to take damage > his hitpoints. He died. This caused the event to fail. 2. Djodreff did not die during the event, but it failed anyway. Djodreff then took damage (either from the event failing or because someone shot him) and died. The latter possibility would make winning events a lot harder than we suspected. We have to take extra care to take high HP people on missions like this one. | ||
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On December 03 2012 09:35 Clarity_nl wrote: No, events happen BEFORE night actions. Read, think, THEN answer. | ||
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I don't care what time we travel to. | ||
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On December 03 2012 09:51 Hapahauli wrote: No one really knows that, unless there's something you'd like to enlighten us about your "claim?" Know is a big word, but expecting? Yeah. | ||
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On December 03 2012 10:00 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah but what does that have to do with anything? From what Acro's said earlier, he received a fake-claim as a third party at the beginning of the game no? In addition, given how detailed the claims of flipped mafia players were (i.e. Toad's "Johnny" claim), I'd expect mafia to be similarly equipped. So bread-crumbing seems irrelevant here, given that it would only prove that I had a fake-claim and not a real one. However do you really think a heavily-themed CT game would not have one of the main fucking characters in the game as a town role? Well, I asked for a fake claim on D2 and got one. It wasn't automatically supplied. Also, if you breadcrumb your role D1 then it's usually okayish evidence. You usually only ask for a fakeclaim when you feel the necessity to claim (or you can see it coming) and you have some idea what you want to claim as. | ||
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. . . On December 03 2012 15:09 syllogism wrote: Hey guys S&B attempted to visit Djodref Whoops? ##vote StrongandBig | ||
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On December 03 2012 21:19 syllogism wrote: I think healing is more important than restoring 1-shots. Some unresolved mysteries: - Kita's weird guessing game and the subsequent beanbag game, of which he never talks about again. - Risk's claimed roleblock. Is no one really going to claim this? - Number of mafia. It could be 5 or 6 - Why does Adam want to go to 2300 AD if his only ability is a very unreliable guessing vig? And why are bananas curved? | ||
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1999 AD is inaccessible to travel. @Kita: I find it amazing you would believe SnB regardless of the result. However, as it stands, Syllo says he visited Djodref. I vote we lynch SnB and if he flips scum, we lynch Kita after. | ||
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