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On December 01 2012 05:18 GreYMisT wrote:
Cycle 5 lynch count!
Toadesstern (?): Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, Hopeless1der, Djodref, Adam4167, phagga, Promethelax, Acrofales, syllogism, VisceraEyes, TheChronicler, Dienosore, iamperfection, strongandbig, hapahauli, risk.nuke
Syllogism (?): Toadesstern
goodkarma (?): Promethelax, phagga, goodkarma
phagga (?): goodkarma
Cycle 6 Party Leader!
Clarity_nl (15): Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, Hopeless1der, Djodref, Adam4167, phagga, Promethelax, Promethelax, syllogism, TheChronicler, Dienosore, iamperfection, strongandbig, Hapahauli, risk.nuke
Keirathi (2): Acrofales, phagga, goodkarma
Toadesstern (1): Toadesstern
syllogism (2): VisceraEyes, Acrofales
Forgot about the "hidden" lynch already? :D
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EBWOP: ah, I see that the numbers are blanks. That might actually mean something. Let me go back and see if the numbers on Sandroba's lynch work out.
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On December 01 2012 05:28 Acrofales wrote:
EBWOP: ah, I see that the numbers are blanks. That might actually mean something. Let me go back and see if the numbers on Sandroba's lynch work out.
There are almost certainly hidden lynch mechanics at play, hence the explicit omission of votecount numbers.
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On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga?
Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga.
After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like.
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On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like.
I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do.
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On December 01 2012 05:24 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:07 Acrofales wrote:On December 01 2012 04:20 CaveJohnson wrote:
Turducken was EMP
Night 2 I used cold snap (Eclair) on Djodref for self preservation reasons. I dunno if he ever got role blocked as a result.
I think Kita was targeted and then screwed with not me.
Spicy Jerky screwed with the first person to visit me and only them. Are you claiming you roleblocked Djodref on N2? Also, why Djodref? What made you pick him out over Phagga or Kita? Also, I find you talking about self-preservation rather funny. Not unless he took damage on either cycle 2 or 3 (one not both) I presumed he was the most likely to actually do damage to me. Kita had already failed at hitting me once and I'll be honest when I say I didn't take Phagga seriously.
He took damage on cycle 2, but it's probably from the same thing that hit iamperfection, clarity and me.
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On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do.
Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town.
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On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town.
oh...kay.
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On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay.
You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me?
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On November 25 2012 09:30 Hassybaby wrote:
Final Day 2 Lynch Count!
Sandroba (16): Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, Adam4167, goodkarma, risk.nuke, strongandbig, syllogism, TheChronicler, Hapahauli, Promethelax, Toadesstern, Viscera Eyes, kitaman27, iamperfection, marvellosity, Keirathi, phagga, Oatsmaster,
BioSC (0): Djodref
CaveJohnson (0): Djodref, [s]phagga/s]
TheChronicler (1): Djodref, Acrofales, Hopeless1der
Promethelax (0): Hapahauli
kitaman27 (0): Djodref, marvellosity
goodkarma (1): Dienosore
Toadesstern (7): Acrofales, Hapahauli, Clarity_nl, Djodref, Z-BosoN, CaveJohnson
It is now Night 3 blah blah I'm technically not co-host
This votecount looks completely wrong. Oatsmaster is listed twice. GK's vote on Toad is counted (presumably), but not listed. Can we get the final, official, complete and correct votecount for D2 please?
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On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me?
You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread.
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No offense to Hassy, btw. We love him for stepping in at such short notice to do Mementoss' job 
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On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread.
I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads.
I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring.
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On December 01 2012 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread. I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads. I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring.
Promethelax and VE have extensive cases and GK has responded to both. Have you read and considered them? I'm not asking you to listen to my argument, I'm asking why you want to do what you're doing. If you lack the conviction to stand behind your read, why bother swapping off Toad?
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If mafia is actually trying to win the game, someone like Hapa has to be mafia. Toad's play has been pretty passive and I think he would have attempted to take more control if only sandro and him were in a position to do so. Hapa initially supported sandro and then made a last ditch attempt to get elected on day 1. He wasn't too keen on a sandro lynch on day 2. He again tried to run on day 3 although he flip flopped on that almost immediately.
When I look at the pool of players who can still be mafia, him makes most sense in terms of overall picture and it would be foolish to dismiss the healing issue.
This is also why I thought acro might be mafia, because he was one of the few people who seemed like he was trying to establish control on day 1 and 2.
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Also I find it quite suspicious that Toad claimed having shot hapa. It didn't make sense for mafia to shoot hapa and claiming the shot in his position probably made even less sense unless it was to give hapa town cred.
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On December 01 2012 05:44 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread. I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads. I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring. Promethelax and VE have extensive cases and GK has responded to both. Have you read and considered them? I'm not asking you to listen to my argument, I'm asking why you want to do what you're doing. If you lack the conviction to stand behind your read, why bother swapping off Toad?
Wait, I lack conviction now? I've read all the cases, I read both their filters, I came to the conclusion that phagga is scummier than gk right now. Could I be wrong? Sure. But he's my strongest read after Toad. That's why I'm voting for him.
I don't really see what you're getting at.
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Syllo I definitely see where you're coming from and I considered it, but I realized I was working from a pretty big assumption, namely that scum have to make us fail missions to win the game. Sure it's a big deal but I think if they off enough townies before Lavos they have a decent chance of winning as well. Maybe after the first two cycles they realized they couldn't take control away from town.
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Mafia knows how much KP they have. So far they have managed to flip one person. Also there is no way the game is balanced around mafia winning the game through just night killing people. On the contrary, the big assumption is to believe that in a game that appears to revolve around whether these missions succeed or not, mafia could win without contesting these elections at all.
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On December 01 2012 05:48 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
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I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread. I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads. I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring. Promethelax and VE have extensive cases and GK has responded to both. Have you read and considered them? I'm not asking you to listen to my argument, I'm asking why you want to do what you're doing. If you lack the conviction to stand behind your read, why bother swapping off Toad? Wait, I lack conviction now? I've read all the cases, I read both their filters, I came to the conclusion that phagga is scummier than gk right now. Could I be wrong? Sure. But he's my strongest read after Toad. That's why I'm voting for him. I don't really see what you're getting at.
At best, Hapa is the reason you've swapped a long-standing town read on phagga and you've offered little to no reasoning for it. I don't care that it's hypocritical of me, if people didn't think you were semi-confirmed town, you would never be able to pull this off.
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