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On November 29 2012 13:41 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 13:26 Adam4167 wrote:On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote:
Might as well roleclaim now:
My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role.
Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson.
So here's what I propose:
1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage.
2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly.
3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized.
See you guys later after I've calmed down. Why are you so mad at Dieno? He made a mistake, it happens. You were sent on a mission with 2 semi-confirmed townies, and being in a better position then all of us due to knowing your alignment, you should have been able to make a definitive call as to whether Acro positively or negatively affects missions. I feel like the right response would have been to come in, be adamant that you are town and try and dump this mess on Acro. Yet your first post after the mission result is: On November 29 2012 09:14 goodkarma wrote:
So now what?
Toad very well could be lying. He could have 1 HP or 700 HP... There's no way of knowing.
I say lynch him anyway.
##Vote: Toad "So now what?" does not feel like the right reaction to someone that feels like they've just been 'framed' by the mission failure. I did affirmatively say it was Acro. I've said it several times. Why would it be my first reaction to "dump it on him?" Acro claimed 3rd party. He's clearly not town. How in any way shape or form did it suddenly become obviously my fault?
It didn't. This is a strawman you have been attacking since I made my case. Note how I didn't mention that at all in my case? Good.
Your reaction to being on that failed party though was not town motivated. Adam did a rather decent job of explaining it.
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On November 29 2012 13:40 Promethelax wrote:
I actually quoted that from the conclusion of my first case. Seriously: reading=good.
You did not give reasons for your flip flopping on Sandroba and Syllo that were viable at all.
Define "viable." Town and scum both change their reads all the time, and nowhere in the first part do I see anything indicating clear scum motivation.
You tried to direct town kp AWAY from scum. That is not a town action.
Are you discussing toad? If so, there are several others here that thought that shooting Toad was retarded. And look at where it got us? We wasted several town actions for nothing... I hate to say I told you so, but... I told you so.
I don't believe you. You aren't kush. You don't get to do this kind of thing.
Well, congrats. You're going to be short one town...
You would have a point if your list wasn't 11 players long and all null reads.
I have a point because everyone not on that list (with the exception of Acro) I have pegged as town. That's narrowing the field substantially.
yes, that point is weaker than the others but it is an ancillary part of the case. None the less you did seem to have fore-knowledge of scum KP. It's not a weak part, it's a non-existent part to your case...
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On November 29 2012 13:45 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 13:41 goodkarma wrote:On November 29 2012 13:26 Adam4167 wrote:On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote:
Might as well roleclaim now:
My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role.
Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson.
So here's what I propose:
1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage.
2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly.
3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized.
See you guys later after I've calmed down. Why are you so mad at Dieno? He made a mistake, it happens. You were sent on a mission with 2 semi-confirmed townies, and being in a better position then all of us due to knowing your alignment, you should have been able to make a definitive call as to whether Acro positively or negatively affects missions. I feel like the right response would have been to come in, be adamant that you are town and try and dump this mess on Acro. Yet your first post after the mission result is: On November 29 2012 09:14 goodkarma wrote:
So now what?
Toad very well could be lying. He could have 1 HP or 700 HP... There's no way of knowing.
I say lynch him anyway.
##Vote: Toad "So now what?" does not feel like the right reaction to someone that feels like they've just been 'framed' by the mission failure. I did affirmatively say it was Acro. I've said it several times. Why would it be my first reaction to "dump it on him?" Acro claimed 3rd party. He's clearly not town. How in any way shape or form did it suddenly become obviously my fault? It didn't. This is a strawman you have been attacking since I made my case. Note how I didn't mention that at all in my case? Good. Your reaction to being on that failed party though was not town motivated. Adam did a rather decent job of explaining it.
If I'm this "clear scum" you seem to believe I am then answer me this:
Where did those 150 points damage come from?
I have yet to hear any kind of counterclaims...
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On November 29 2012 13:53 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 13:45 Promethelax wrote:On November 29 2012 13:41 goodkarma wrote:On November 29 2012 13:26 Adam4167 wrote:On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote:
Might as well roleclaim now:
My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role.
Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson.
So here's what I propose:
1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage.
2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly.
3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized.
See you guys later after I've calmed down. Why are you so mad at Dieno? He made a mistake, it happens. You were sent on a mission with 2 semi-confirmed townies, and being in a better position then all of us due to knowing your alignment, you should have been able to make a definitive call as to whether Acro positively or negatively affects missions. I feel like the right response would have been to come in, be adamant that you are town and try and dump this mess on Acro. Yet your first post after the mission result is: On November 29 2012 09:14 goodkarma wrote:
So now what?
Toad very well could be lying. He could have 1 HP or 700 HP... There's no way of knowing.
I say lynch him anyway.
##Vote: Toad "So now what?" does not feel like the right reaction to someone that feels like they've just been 'framed' by the mission failure. I did affirmatively say it was Acro. I've said it several times. Why would it be my first reaction to "dump it on him?" Acro claimed 3rd party. He's clearly not town. How in any way shape or form did it suddenly become obviously my fault? It didn't. This is a strawman you have been attacking since I made my case. Note how I didn't mention that at all in my case? Good. Your reaction to being on that failed party though was not town motivated. Adam did a rather decent job of explaining it. If I'm this "clear scum" you seem to believe I am then answer me this: Where did those 150 points damage come from? I have yet to hear any kind of counterclaims...
Could be what you actually did. If CJ is town and has some kickass abilities (which he certainly claimed) hitting him as scum isn't that bad a move. It also leaves you free to claim that shot to 'prove' your townieness since there is a plausible explanation for town to do what you did since Draz is notoriously hard to read.
Scum have kp, scum also probably have damaging abilities. Could have been either of those.
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Okay, you've replied. I've explained my points. I'm going to stop helping you shit up the thread now.
Other players: I'd like your comments on GK's claim and what that does/doesn't do to exonerate him. I'd also like those of you who haven't weighed in on it yet to tell me what you think of him from my case.
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On November 29 2012 13:55 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 13:53 goodkarma wrote:On November 29 2012 13:45 Promethelax wrote:On November 29 2012 13:41 goodkarma wrote:On November 29 2012 13:26 Adam4167 wrote:On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote:
Might as well roleclaim now:
My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role.
Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson.
So here's what I propose:
1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage.
2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly.
3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized.
See you guys later after I've calmed down. Why are you so mad at Dieno? He made a mistake, it happens. You were sent on a mission with 2 semi-confirmed townies, and being in a better position then all of us due to knowing your alignment, you should have been able to make a definitive call as to whether Acro positively or negatively affects missions. I feel like the right response would have been to come in, be adamant that you are town and try and dump this mess on Acro. Yet your first post after the mission result is: On November 29 2012 09:14 goodkarma wrote:
So now what?
Toad very well could be lying. He could have 1 HP or 700 HP... There's no way of knowing.
I say lynch him anyway.
##Vote: Toad "So now what?" does not feel like the right reaction to someone that feels like they've just been 'framed' by the mission failure. I did affirmatively say it was Acro. I've said it several times. Why would it be my first reaction to "dump it on him?" Acro claimed 3rd party. He's clearly not town. How in any way shape or form did it suddenly become obviously my fault? It didn't. This is a strawman you have been attacking since I made my case. Note how I didn't mention that at all in my case? Good. Your reaction to being on that failed party though was not town motivated. Adam did a rather decent job of explaining it. If I'm this "clear scum" you seem to believe I am then answer me this: Where did those 150 points damage come from? I have yet to hear any kind of counterclaims... Could be what you actually did. If CJ is town and has some kickass abilities (which he certainly claimed) hitting him as scum isn't that bad a move. It also leaves you free to claim that shot to 'prove' your townieness since there is a plausible explanation for town to do what you did since Draz is notoriously hard to read. Scum have kp, scum also probably have damaging abilities. Could have been either of those.
I've vigi'd before, and I have absolutely no problem doing it again. My ability is a bit weak, and it requires applying stacks before I can inflict damage, but it has infinite uses. I've already told mason QT what I did last night. I can vigi said person tomorrow.
And even you must realize how dumb it would be for scum to shoot CJ, who is infamous for making up "kickass abilities" on the spot. He's a guy that's hard to read, and always anti-town. Scum would have no motivation to get rid of him.
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Post your mason logs.
If scum had a 3p read on CJ (which I did) it would make perfect sense.
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On November 29 2012 14:03 Promethelax wrote:
Post your mason logs.
If scum had a 3p read on CJ (which I did) it would make perfect sense.
Post my mason logs? I'll leave that up to syllo or risk, as you could blatantly claim everything I say is made up.
I've told them of my ability as well as how I've used it. I'll let them clear me.
As for 3p read? Exactly how many 3p's you think there are? Do you not believe Marv when he says Kita is 3p? I do... And then there's acro who claimed 3p... But whatever, I'm done arguing here.
Let's let other people weigh in here. I'm tired of arguing against someone who clearly already has me wrongly condemned as scum in his head...
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Post your mason logs. Syllo and Risk can confirm them later.
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Also, what good would publicly claiming my target be? That's a great way of getting him bussed or me indirectly RB'ed by an ability similar to your own.
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On November 29 2012 14:12 goodkarma wrote:
Also, what good would publicly claiming my target be? That's a great way of getting him bussed or me indirectly RB'ed by an ability similar to your own.
who asked you to do that?
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On November 29 2012 14:03 Promethelax wrote:
Post your mason logs.
If scum had a 3p read on CJ (which I did) it would make perfect sense.
Here's the part where I claim the damage I will be doing to CJ:
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goodkarma
11-26-2012
01:51 AM ET (US)
I'm pretty confident at this point that all of town is blue.
I mean, look at how many role claims we've already had in thread...
I'm not worried about drawing scum eyes on me. I haven't done the best job of establishing I'm town, so honestly if they choose to shoot me over a syllo or oats or dieno, I would be quite happy.
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risk7nuke
11-26-2012
01:48 AM ET (US)
You shouldn't talk about coordinating vig shots. If mafia is bluehunting it will draw eyes onto you.
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goodkarma
11-26-2012
01:35 AM ET (US)
I'm a 600 AD character, and it doesn't look like I get any bonuses either.
At this point, it looks like I'm committed to either 100 or 150 points on CJ at day's end tomorrow. From everything I've read in his filter, I see no compelling reason not to do the full 150 pts of damage.
I won't post the entire QT as it contains information related to risk's role and flavor, and I'm not going to be the one to give that out.
If there's something specific you're looking for then let me know. But the CJ shot damage is discussed here.
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On November 29 2012 13:41 goodkarma wrote:
I did affirmatively say it was Acro. I've said it several times. Why would it be my first reaction to "dump it on him?" Acro claimed 3rd party. He's clearly not town. How in any way shape or form did it suddenly become obviously my fault?
Being on a failed party, you should inherently expect some level of scrutiny.
From that, I would expect you to think "Well, i'm town, Dieno is probably town, Keriathi is probably town, therefore this is Acro's fault and he has a negative modifier."
Instead you don't even acknowledge the failed mission until your 5th post after the mission post, when you bring up Acro being 3rd party. This post came 2.5 hours after the mission post, it damn well should have been the very first thing that jumped into your head after seeing that mission result with those 4 players on it.
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Oats: I know you are reading the thread. Would you comment on some of the goings on please.
Syllo/Risk please confirm and elaborate on the mason logs.
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Yeah I think that his reaction is extremly weird after he was in the failed party. I wouldve been like, we failed but at least we found scum, Acro.
He totally ignores the fact that he is the party that failed.
Also getting hit that is unclaimed doesnt = town.
He doesnt even mention Acro until after your case.
GK why did you hit CJ? do you think he is lying? why not hit kita or Acro who you think is suspicious?
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Has anyone ever seen Zbo be so...under the radar? I guess he has exams but he also didn't say that pre-game and, along with VE, SnB and Risk his lurking is worrying me. It isn't something I expect from any of the three of them, though I guess Risk being in a mason qt makes sense for this.
You four: I'd like more from you. Like I straight up had forgotten SnB was playing this game when he posted earlier. Nothing any of these four players have done has stuck with me which is not what I would expect. They are the kind of players whom I expect more from.
Does anyone have any insight the could share?
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Well, I'm done for today I'll check back tomorrow. Repeating your same arguements and me repeating what I've already said in response over and over isn't going to get us anywhere.
There's a few things you could do to validate my claim.:
1) I already claimed my target in Mason QT. Wait until tomorrow to see if my claim checks out.
2) Bring me along in a party with three "confirmed town." If you can fail a mission and still get a lynch, clearly the consequences aren't that terribad... And what's more, I'm town so you won't even have to worry about that in the first place...
3) Continue to angrily OMGUS me, waste vigi shots and/or a lynch, and be down one more town. Having a claim that is verifiable, this is a very stupid option.
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This is extremely stupid, I can not believe hosts didn't just ask him for a team. Poor form
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I did not take damage and I was healed
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'sup Syllo. I'm here for 40 more minutes if you have any questions make 'em snappy.
GK, when you wake up: I'd like a reply to Oats' question of you. Why did you choose to shoot CJ, who else have you targeted and why do you think that your claim makes you town?
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