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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 29 2012 12:51 Promethelax wrote: Thankfully GK doesn't actually have responses so they are easy to find. I am also amused by his 'I edit a million times' thing versus lol fuck you guys just deal with my fail tags. What about my case is strong and why does it convince you? I have some reservations about Syllo. I'm not sure how I feel about his sudden town read on me (as evidenced by me not being RB'd last cycle) I think scum would have wanted to RB me anyway since they know that I am town. I'm pretty confused about not being RB'd at all. I do edit my stuff heavily. Doesn't meant that I spout massive quotes and make text walls for my scum suspects to have to deal with when making cases against them... | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 29 2012 12:55 goodkarma wrote: I do edit my stuff heavily. Doesn't meant that I spout massive quotes and make text walls for my scum suspects to have to deal with when making cases against them... here: GK is scum because of his flipping and flopping on Sandroba, Syllo and Djo without reason. GK is scum because of his attempts to direct blue actions. GK is scum because he has a town read on people he wants to be shot GK is scum because he provides useless lists full of so many reads that he doesn't have any ideas of his own. GK is scum because he has knowledge of the scum kp. that is the case. I honestly should have spoilered the rest of it. Attack the length all you want but those are the points you need to address which you have still not addressed. Also note that the case has already convinced at least two of your 'town reads' so maybe think about it. My case clearly served its purpose to push you as the next major scum. Now if we still have cops you'll be a done deal because they will either check you or me and either realize I'm town or you are scum. Either way we get to lynch you next time we have a chance. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
In the meantime, has GK revealed any night actions yet? I don't recall. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
I also really hated his lurker kill list. It showed no town thinking what so ever in my view. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 29 2012 13:03 kitaman27 wrote: @Prom, I owe you a response tomorrow. I'm pretty tired at the moment. In the meantime, has GK revealed any night actions yet? I don't recall. No, he has not. I look forward to your reply. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role. Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson. So here's what I propose: 1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage. 2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly. 3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized. See you guys later after I've calmed down. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote: Might as well roleclaim now: My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role. Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson. So here's what I propose: 1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage. 2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly. 3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized. See you guys later after I've calmed down. what about night 1 and 2? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 29 2012 13:06 iamperfection wrote: you have reservations about sylo prom? I do. I've posted them before but yeah, I want some input though because I am made out of paranoia and might just be totally wrong. (if you aren't sure about how paranoid I am go look at ACME where I intentionally got Acro to roleclaim roleblocker so that scum would kill him if he was town). | ||
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote: 3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized. crybaby | ||
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
On November 29 2012 13:08 Promethelax wrote: I do. I've posted them before but yeah, I want some input though because I am made out of paranoia and might just be totally wrong. (if you aren't sure about how paranoid I am go look at ACME where I intentionally got Acro to roleclaim roleblocker so that scum would kill him if he was town). i will have to look at it tomorrow but from my natural reading of the thread i have seen nothing. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Seriously, what makes you so much better than Dieno? He is basically confirmed town, you are on the verge of scum. If you are town, why is Dieno confirmed and you are not? | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 29 2012 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynch GK. Seriously, what makes you so much better than Dieno? He is basically confirmed town, you are on the verge of scum. If you are town, why is Dieno confirmed and you are not? Not even going to go there. I would suggest to you that you consider the veracity of my claim before you go lynch-happy. And also consider that Acro is not town. He claims 3rd party, but he could very well also be scum. And both could plausibly ruin the success of the party. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 29 2012 13:21 goodkarma wrote: Not even going to go there. I would suggest to you that you consider the veracity of my claim before you go lynch-happy. And also consider that Acro is not town. He claims 3rd party, but he could very well also be scum. And both could plausibly ruin the success of the party. Where is your response to 1)the second half of my case 2)everything since that time 3)why you are using being unhappy there is a case on you as an excuse to avoid the case on you. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote: Might as well roleclaim now: My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role. Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson. So here's what I propose: 1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage. 2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly. 3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized. See you guys later after I've calmed down. Why are you so mad at Dieno? He made a mistake, it happens. You were sent on a mission with 2 semi-confirmed townies, and being in a better position then all of us due to knowing your alignment, you should have been able to make a definitive call as to whether Acro positively or negatively affects missions. I feel like the right response would have been to come in, be adamant that you are town and try and dump this mess on Acro. Yet your first post after the mission result is: On November 29 2012 09:14 goodkarma wrote: So now what? Toad very well could be lying. He could have 1 HP or 700 HP... There's no way of knowing. I say lynch him anyway. ##Vote: Toad "So now what?" does not feel like the right reaction to someone that feels like they've just been 'framed' by the mission failure. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 29 2012 13:01 Promethelax wrote: here: GK is scum because of his flipping and flopping on Sandroba, Syllo and Djo without reason. GK is scum because of his attempts to direct blue actions. GK is scum because he has a town read on people he wants to be shot GK is scum because he provides useless lists full of so many reads that he doesn't have any ideas of his own. GK is scum because he has knowledge of the scum kp. that is the case. I honestly should have spoilered the rest of it. Attack the length all you want but those are the points you need to address which you have still not addressed. Also note that the case has already convinced at least two of your 'town reads' so maybe think about it. My case clearly served its purpose to push you as the next major scum. Now if we still have cops you'll be a done deal because they will either check you or me and either realize I'm town or you are scum. Either way we get to lynch you next time we have a chance. Thanks for this. It is ten times easier for me to reply to. Briefly: "GK is scum because of his flipping and flopping on Sandroba, Syllo and Djo without reason." I give reasoning in my filter for my reads. As for flipping and flopping, both town and scum change reads... "GK is scum because of his attempts to direct blue actions." Have you seriously never been in games where town suggest who would be the best people to shoot, or RB? These are actions that are commonplace topics of discussion for town... As you can see from my roleclaim, I had a special interest in where vigi shots were being placed. Based on flips, I came to the conclusion that my damage output was not going to kill anyone anytime soon, and that I would be most effective if others were shooting in the same general direction..." "GK is scum because he has a town read on people he wants to be shot." I explained this. Whether or not you believe me is up to you. "GK is scum because he provides useless lists full of so many reads that he doesn't have any ideas of his own." In a game where establishing town is also an important component to the game, I would argue that lists are useful. Hate it all you want, but this isn't a standard game. "GK is scum because he has knowledge of the scum kp." What? Are we discussing my earlier discussion on damage reports. If so: On November 29 2012 03:10 goodkarma wrote: How on earth would I know? There's a very clear divide between which people mafia is likely to shoot and which people town is likely to shoot. If you were to go to the damage report layed out by Dieno and do basic math, you'd come to a similar conclusion. As for convincing others, people are lazy. They like to look at things and go, "well it's a long detailed case, the gist of it looks okay, it must be right." Without actually digging into filters and checking the facts... Seriously look at what you did in NMM XXII and compare to this game. You made an equally bad case there... The only difference here is that 1) it's waayyy longer and 2) I know your play better now and understand a town prox is capable of making terrible cases. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
You did not give reasons for your flip flopping on Sandroba and Syllo that were viable at all. You tried to direct town kp AWAY from scum. That is not a town action. I don't believe you. You aren't kush. You don't get to do this kind of thing. You would have a point if your list wasn't 11 players long and all null reads. yes, that point is weaker than the others but it is an ancillary part of the case. None the less you did seem to have fore-knowledge of scum KP. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 29 2012 13:26 Adam4167 wrote: Why are you so mad at Dieno? He made a mistake, it happens. You were sent on a mission with 2 semi-confirmed townies, and being in a better position then all of us due to knowing your alignment, you should have been able to make a definitive call as to whether Acro positively or negatively affects missions. I feel like the right response would have been to come in, be adamant that you are town and try and dump this mess on Acro. Yet your first post after the mission result is: "So now what?" does not feel like the right reaction to someone that feels like they've just been 'framed' by the mission failure. I did affirmatively say it was Acro. I've said it several times. Why would it be my first reaction to "dump it on him?" Acro claimed 3rd party. He's clearly not town. How in any way shape or form did it suddenly become obviously my fault? | ||
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