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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Let's assume that you are right and that kita is scum and nit lying about the guessing game. What do you make with the fact that he looks afraid of dealing with sandroba ? Hint: check also VE post when he entered the thread | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 25 2012 02:57 TheChronicler wrote: Lol djo so scummy. Finally got people to move off sand, better go for it bud! All I see you doing is calling Z-bo scum repeatedly in an omgus fashion and now you're randomly calling Djo scum. Shape up if you're town. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 02:57 TheChronicler wrote: Lol djo so scummy. Finally got people to move off sand, better go for it bud! what do you mean ? Y u no scumhunt for real for a change ? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 25 2012 02:57 TheChronicler wrote: Lol djo so scummy. Finally got people to move off sand, better go for it bud! So your current scumreads are Zbo, Toad and Djo. I disagree with all of them. Please make some cases on them. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 25 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote: @marv Let's assume that you are right and that kita is scum and nit lying about the guessing game. What do you make with the fact that he looks afraid of dealing with sandroba ? Hint: check also VE post when he entered the thread Hey Djo, spell it out for me please dear. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17992 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17992 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17992 Posts
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
On November 25 2012 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote: So your current scumreads are Zbo, Toad and Djo. I disagree with all of them. Please make some cases on them. Or my scum reads are sand (who my vote is on and everyone has somehow selectively forgotten), toad by connection, zbo/acro by connection on their contradiction that wasn't a contradiction though acro has backed off at this point, and djo for his claims of reading my filter and trying to force me as a lynch candidate with weak sauce reasoning centered around a plan I abandoned and has continually brought it up when I was fine to let it drop. How many pages were screwed up because I was responding to all of his questions that basically said the same thing? Give a specific case? Why doesn't a general case work for you? You can't be bothered to put names in yourself? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 24 2012 20:56 sandroba wrote: @acro No. The way he keeps trying to discredit people that are in the "confirmed town" status and pushing doubt when there is absolutely no reason to. The biggest fear for scum in a game is that town organizes behind confirmed strong players. His spreading of mistrust only benefits him as mafia, especially at this point when there is no reason to consider it as an option. You can check that a lot of his posts have this as the sole purpose. @risk If not for inactivity, then why are you voting for me? @everyone Just think for a second. Look at the team I picked. If I were scum and planning to fail the mission I would be basically commiting suicide. Don't try to hide and make it sound as if the reason you're scummy is inactivity. This is not your town playstyle. After you asserted yourself as leader you completely lost interest, don't give me any I was busy crap because I can tell a disinterested player from an afk one. Even now as you're the primary lynch target you haven't bothered to make a case against anyone else. My parents was coming by today and I had to put away the laptop when they rang the doorbell. They already think I spend to much time playing mafia so sitting by the laptop as we had lunch wasn't an option. Then I spent the day with them. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Solid stuff on kita. Still like Promethelax more, but man I've never been so comfortable with so many lynch options. Prom, Sandro, and Kita look like they all have a pretty high chance to flip red to me o-O | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
If you check VE opening post when he writes sandroba name in red and bold font. The next comment makes me think that VE is expecting a town sandro to come back. Maybe it is too far strechted but I have really the feeling that this wagon is stupid and that sandro is gonna flip town... | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
My lappy ran out of batteries so I'm on my phone now Anyway it looks like two important things happened in the last 24 hours, quite strong cases on the chronicler and kitaman. I think the most damning thing against the chronicler is the way he responded to the contradiction in his play by trying to pretend it didn't exist. There obviously was a contradiction between his plan, which would have had a bunch of people make town reads, and his contention that giving town reads is bad because it lets scum know who to shoot, but the chronicler tries to explain he wanted "strong reads but not town reads" or some such crap - I don't buy it. And instead of saying "yeah that is a contradiction, but here were my town motives for saying both of those things (which IMO should be the natural townie way to respond to that), he tries to say "there is no contradiction" by using silly semantic arguments. Only scum care that much about consistency, IMO. The other important thing is all the suspicion on kitaman. Marv just posted a big case on Kita, so I'm not going to go through it in super detail right now, but what Marv said rings true for me. That said, I'm happy with where my vote is now. While sandroba did respond to Syllos args (finally once he got to a million votes), he didn't address the central point - that he didn't care about finding scum. It's not about what he did it didn't say, it's about the attitude he took towards the game. Syllogism got a strong read on sandroba by analyzing his attitude across his day 1 posts. Reading Sandros filter yesterday with syllogisms case in mind it rang true for me, and nothing sandro said today makes me doubt that. I also haven't seen anything out of hapahauli to make me really reconsider the previous read ("probably scum, not 100%") I had on him. However, I'm most confident about the outcome of a lynch on sandro right now. | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
1. Phagga. His reasoning is really weak for voting for Kita as opposed to voting for either Syllo/Sand. Furthermore he is not comfortable of 1 of the players in the party, Prome. Why would town phagga vote for kita when he is not comfortable with prome? If 1 scum is in the party, the party would fail, the thread thinks. On November 22 2012 18:55 phagga wrote: I have not read all the posts yet, I just arrived at the point where Syllo addresses Sandro regarding unanswered questions here. I have not named a candidate yet because I do not have a clear town read on one yet. I was leaning on Sandroba the whole time, and I also tend to think that Syllo is town. However, I only have a very rough idea on how these guys play scum, and I don't trust them enough yet. Also I don't like it at all that they are almost uncontested. As someone said earlier, mafia should have an interest at getting this spot too, and somehow I would expect some heavier resistance. Unless Sand and Syllo are both scum, of course, but Orcams Razor probably says no. Kita was always in the back of my head because I liked his opening post. I was aware that he went MIA for a while, but I still thought that his candidature was serious. So when I realized that barely anyone talked about him, I thought I'd use Acros post to see if I could get some info on what people thought about him. Also, as I wrote earlier, I do think more competition is needed, and since Toad is out of the race, that leaves Kita as the most promising competitor to Sandro/Syllo. Regarding his proposed team: Dieno has claimed after I talked about the possibility to be 3rd party, and the way is behaving I think I could meanwhile accept him in the party, although there are other players that I would prefer. Prom is the one I feel really unsure about. I hope Kita thinks that one over. Nevertheless, for the time being, he gets my vote. ##Vote Kitaman Goodkarmas candidature comes surprising, and I first liked his approach for the candidature. However, I voiced my suspicion of him yesterday, and his choice of Sandro for the team looks like a joke, as you can see in my questions to him. I will be very busy today. I should be in the thread for sure in the last 2-3 hours before deadline. Hopefully I will be able to interact some more earlier. However, other than this, his activity looks pretty town aligned to me. He shows interest in finding scum and his posts have good reasoning and logic. 2. VE. This player is interesting because he replaced BioSC, a player who was VERY EXCITED before the game began but posted practically nothing and asked to be replaced out. VE was also really excited for the game, before he knew he was replacing in. VE then posts a long ass posts with 2 scum reads which frankly are not very well explained. He then disappears. I find this interesting because 2 excited players, suddenly become extremely quiet when they are in the game. Could it be related to their role? or their alignment. For now I think that we should keep an eye on VE, if he continues to be silent, I would find it very suspicious | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
@Marv Your case is the most recent and it's making at least a little sense without me going to filter the guy. I looked at Kita early on because of his bullshit campaign post and found trolly kita - not really alignment indicative...but yeah, this Draz thing and the fact that he keeps dancing around Sandroba is especially damning if you subscribe to the sandScum theory. My problem with it is this: if Sandroba is scum and Kitaman is scum too, then why would they run against each other for leader? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 25 2012 03:03 Acrofales wrote: @Marv: only half of your case is decent, which is disconcerting to me. Please explain the scum motivation for Kita treating his own campaign as a joke. better than 0% of your face being decent. booooooooooooooom! your point, I imagine, is that a scum kita would also want to win the election. The troll post I spoilered is basically an admission of defeat. But it serves him better to look although he's still staying in the running (indeed he has said on a few occasions that he hasn't trolled MUCH, that was the only real one, etc.). It's useful to have confusion in the thread, to have confusion in the votes, it's useful not to properly have to take stances on the other main candidates because you can go "i'm running, vote for me!". Effectively it's a sidestepping of taking responsibility for anything under the guise of running for party leader. Again, given the importance he stated of him having party leader for the good of town, his subsequent attemps to secure it do not match up (see "people he would not take" post I spoilered in my case as an example) | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I don't see the scum motivation, the case boils down to "this guy voted weird get him" | ||
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