Holy mother of God. Either there's a epedmic of retardedness running in this thread or your are fucking scum.
On December 01 2012 06:19 yamato77 wrote:The Terribly Bad Aqua CasesShow nested quote +On November 30 2012 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 30 2012 06:13 Aquanim wrote:
I can't see us having more than two power roles, and (probably) not less than two either. If they all claim, and we ended up with three including Oats that would be an effective counterclaim. Having all the PRs claim seems pretty ridiculous though, and I don't think it's worth it.
I can't distinguish anything Oats has done since my vote between "oh crap, I'm doctor about to be lynched" and "oh crap, I'm scum about to be lynched". I reckon his posting quality has improved maybe a little, but that doesn't tell me anything. And claiming doctor and a protect on SDM is about as obvious and easy a fake-claim as claiming VT, esp. without a crumb.
Dammit! If you're a doctor, I'm really sorry, but I just. can't. tell. And I still have no better reads, and I still think this read won't improve.
Vote sticks. I have 5 minutes before I have to leave, and I won't be back before lynch. In the event of a massclaim, which I do not endorse, it may be possible for me to leave a message with someone and have them post it. I really dont like this post.. It doesnt say ANYTHING at all. On November 29 2012 20:21 Aquanim wrote:
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As for Oatsmaster, I just don't like how uselessly he's been posting, and he keeps wriggling out of giving cases... he made one on HeloKnight and darted out from under it at the first opportunity, and I don't think he's given much else which I found sensible.
He's marginally my best scum read, and the concept of MyLo or LyLo with him in the game just makes me sick. Everyone else I think I might be able to improve my read of with more posts and more reading, but this read on Oats is about as confident as I'm ever going to be on him. When we get down to "get this right or lose" I want people I at least *think* I can read. So i go from marginally best scum read to only scum read? Bad reason to lynch. Oats playing up to par this game. The simplest explanation for his ENTIRE filter is scum. Everything he's done this game reads scum at this point, because in now way would a bad town keep playing so fucking bad. His "case" against Aqua is in the same vein as his "case" against me and his "case" against CC. He keeps posting utter shit to try to get people to bandwagon someone else to save his own ass. His blue claim is equally the same sort of play. It managed to get enough of you uncomfortable that you lynched a town player. There's zero reason to take this guy seriously but yet CC and SDM have? Why? Let's look at them. Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 10:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Okay so, a hasty as shit case on Aqua+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 17:35 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 17:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 26 2012 16:49 Aquanim wrote:
Hello everyone, I'm back.
For now:
##Vote: Munk-E
I require more posts from Munk-E to make any kind of a read on him. Post some more stuff Munk-E, look for scum (somewhere other than in Oatsmaster's early contributions, there's plenty more to read now).
If your posts have new content this vote will disappear. Aqua, that's all you got after all this discussion? It is not. (Apologies, this took a while to write, and yes, I was aware of the hypocrisy.) tl;dr: I believe Kickstart is scum. Kickstart's First PostKickstart's first post was completely contentless. Some rambling about a previous game he's played, just filling space, and the same jab at Oatsmaster that pretty much every other player made. SDM and Jacob had the same material to work with and gave some sensible analysis. And then, after four hours of lurking... DING DING DING DING DING...Kickstart jumps on Oatsmaster's CC vote. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 21:27 Kickstart wrote:First off your format for your vote is wrong, secondly saying you are "intensely serious" is not a case on cheesecake. Frankly this is ridiculous and so anti-town so far that if it continues I don't think we should keep you around because this is either scum play or bad town play. The beginning of your filter is all fluff, which isn't that big of a deal since it is the start of the game and I don't really expect anything amazing from anyone, but then you post: On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him On November 25 2012 13:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im seriously not sarcastic.
Seriously.
Its a feeling, I cant base it off anything though :/ I already told you before, if you are suspicious of someone you need to make a better post than that, you need to make a case against the person providing reasons for why they are suspicious. Then there is this: On November 25 2012 13:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah, also the worst decision to do 1 for 1 trades.
think about it if I'm scum, why would I randomly single out cheesecake? why did I even post? so far this game is so slow and as scum, they want it that way. Why would you bring up "think about if I was scum", that is not a town mindset. Scum are the ones who would say something like that, all town needs to do is let their actions show that they are being pro-town, and so far you arent. And then the final straw for me so far is this: On November 25 2012 18:45 Oatsmaster wrote:yeah that was kinda extreme and was said to provoke a reaction. Which kinda worked :D Nothing personal Cheesecake, I think you got extremely screwed by misunderstandings the last game  On November 25 2012 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
I probably cant be around during lynch but I will try to be there a few hours before.
Vote: Cheesecake
I am intensely serious.
Munk-e and Jacob, where did you go? So you say yeah ok me saying cheese is scum without providing any reasoning is a bit extreme, THEN YOU DO IT ANYWAYS????? This is unacceptable. I suggest you start making some real cases, untill then: ##vote: Oatsmaster Kickstart claims Oatsmaster's vote is "anti-town", or "if it continues I don't think we should keep you around because this is either scum play or bad town play". How in the hell is voting for your top scum read anti town? Especially when the thread has stagnated. Also, trying to remove guilt from himself if/when Oats flips town ("I told you guys he might be bad town anyway, remember?") I'll grant you Oatsmaster is not playing cautious obv-town, but I don't really see anything he's done as being exceptionally scum motivated. What kind of newbie scum randomly tunnels someone within their first three posts? For reference, a post about Oatsmaster which meets with more of my approval is HeloKnight's return #246. Sure, it's not entirely original, but at least he's making an effort. HeloKnight is LOOKING FOR SCUMINESS in Oatsmaster with this post, not saying "Take your vote off Cheesecake because it's bad." Kickstart's subsquent posts don't inspire a lot of town feeling in me either. Next were some short postsposts, which seem to be more about defending Cheesecake than looking for Oats scum. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 22:02 Kickstart wrote:
This is stupid btw, we should be scumhunting. If you are going to vote someone, you need to show why you think they are scum. I showed why your posting so far and your vote is crap, and you have still refused to make a case or provide adequate reasoning for your vote. We need to be finding scum - so do it and stop wasting time.
With that I will ask again: Can you give us a reason why you think Cheese is scummy and why you voted for him? "This is stupid btw, we should be scumhunting." Do as I say, not as I do? None of Kickstart's posts are about Oatsmaster being scum, just about Oatsmaster being bad (specifically, his vote on Cheese being bad). Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 22:40 Kickstart wrote:
You two seem to be agreeing that you don't think Oats is scum. Can you explain his vote onto cheese then, because he apparently can't provide a decent explanation for it himself.
How is throwing a random vote onto someone without giving any sort of decent explanation town play? All Oats' vote has done is sow confusion because of how pointless it seems to be - which is scummy. Now if you have actual reasons to vote for someone, and present them to everyone, then discussion can flow from it and we can better assess everyone and get some reads going - but as I said you didn't provide that so have only managed to cause confusion.
So aside from waiting for a decent explanation from Oats, I would like for some other people to actually get involved in the thread, so far discussion has been between a few people and on not a very broad spectrum of topics, neither of which is good for town at this point. GUYS GUYS WHY ARE YOU NOT PUSHING MY MISLYNCH WAGON FOR ME GUYS And then there was some more defence of Cheesecake. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 06:09 Kickstart wrote:
Lol wow I missed that post from yama, glad you pointed it out SDM because yeah it is suspicious.
@ Yamato77
You saying Cheese doesn't read town is nice and all, but I am more interested (as I think SDM has said (and you better not accuse me of what you accused cheese of SDM!)) in if you read him as scum. Do you have any scum reads at all? As far as I can tell you are just saying you are suspicious of cheese because he said he was suspicious of you.... Pretty opportunistic poke at yamato, but doesn't lose sight of his main goal - defend the cheesecake! Kickstart also pokes lurkers a lot - easy to do as scum or town. No judgement here. Conclusion: Everyone else commented on Oatsmaster's read and vote based on how they reflected on Oatsmaster. Kickstart appears to be placing a much greater emphasis on how a vote for Cheesecake is bad. In particular, I believe Kickstart was the only one who wanted Oatsmaster to take his CC vote back (which doesn't make any sense, what's done is done and Oatsmaster will just take more flak if he does). Besides Oatsmaster, Kickstart hasn't looked for scum anywhere else at all, and I don't think his scumhunting on Oatsmaster is genuine. His only priority appears to be defending Cheesecake. There are three possibilities: (1) Kickstart is scum, knows Mr. Cheesecake is town and is white-knighting him. A lot. (2) Kickstart and Mr. Cheesecake are both scum and Kickstart is defending his scumbuddy. (3) Kickstart is town, has a town read on Mr. Cheesecake (correct or not) and for some reason feels the need to defend him vehemently against all attacks, in lieu of any actual search for scum. I don't buy (3), and so ##Vote: Kickstart The Kickstart case in a summary: He attacks Oats (not scummy), and he defends me. This case relies waaaaay too heavily on him defending me. What other reason does he have, seriously? Especially after how scummy oats/yamato were being D1. Then, what I like to call "The Exodus of the Munk Votes" brought to you by Aqua:+ Show Spoiler +On November 27 2012 21:41 Aquanim wrote:The Munk-E Lynch - How It Went Down(Votecounts in the spoilers.) 26th November (Before this is Oatsmaster's CC vote and Kickstart's Oats vote.) [4:59] SDM FoS's Cheesecake, makes case largely based on meta. [5:01] SDM votes Cheesecake.[5:18] Munk-E appears in thread with useless post. [6:18] Munk-E makes a less useless post on Oatsmaster. [6:58] Having obtained a meaningful post from HeloKnight, CC un-FoS's him and Cheesecake votes Yamato.[7:02] SDM unvotes Cheesecake. SDM votes Yamato.+ Show Spoiler +Votecount:
Mr. Cheesecake(1): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart
Yamato77(2): Mr. Cheesecake, Sonic Death Monkey [9:22] HeloKnight analyses Munk-E's (short) filter. HeloKnight votes Munk-E.[16:49] Aquanim votes Munk-E.[17:35] Aquanim makes Kickstart case. Aquanim votes Kickstart.[23:10] Yamato makes a long defensive post and gives his reads. [23:14] SDM summarises current cases. 27th November [0:09] Kickstart makes an angry counter-post to case against him. [0:15] SDM votes Munk-E.+ Show Spoiler +Votecount:
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart
Yamato77 (1): Mr. Cheesecake
Munk-E(2): HeloKnight,Sonic Death Monkey
Kickstart(1): Aquanim [0:38] Kickstart posts his reads. [0:39] Yamato votes Munk-E.[2:13] Jacob votes Yamato.[2:16] Cheesecake analyses Yamato further, and expresses the opinion that he "feels like this Munk-E lynch is an easy way for scum to secure a mislynch". Likes Helo, feels Oats isn't doing much. [5:51] Munk-E makes a post on Yamato. Munk-E votes Yamato.[6:04] Kickstart is satisfied with Munk-E. Kickstart unvotes Oatsmaster. Kickstart votes Yamato.[6:11] Aquanim leaves vote on Kickstart and leaves. [6:33] HeloKnight posts on Munk-E, is not convinced. [7:19] Yamato rants at Munk-E. + Show Spoiler +Votecount:
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster
Yamato77 (4): Mr. Cheesecake, Kickstart, Jacob, Munk-E
Munk-E (3): HeloKnight, Sonic Death Monkey, Yamato77
Kickstart(1): Aquanim [7:25] Mr. Cheesecake votes Kickstart.[7:47] Mr. Cheesecake unvotes Kickstart.[7:51] Oatsmaster votes Kickstart.[8:40] Mr. Cheesecake votes Munk-E and leaves. Justifies his switch by saying he thinks lynching a town Munk-E would be better than lynching a town Yamato. [8:40 - 8:55] Jacob and Yamato discuss Yamato's play. [10:10] Debears is modkilled. + Show Spoiler +Votecount:
Yamato77 (3): Kickstart, Jacob, Munk-E
Munk-E (4): HeloKnight, Sonic Death Monkey, Yamato77, Mr. Cheesecake
Kickstart(2): Aquanim, Oatsmaster [10:11] Jacob claims he "can't vote for Yamato with the votes like this". Jacob votes Munk-E. [10:17] Oatsmaster and Kickstart going at it again. [10:52] HeloKnight posts about Munk-E again. [11:25] Oatsmaster approves of Kickstart's "vitriol and fire" play. Oatsmaster unvotes Kickstart. Oatsmaster votes Munk-E. + Show Spoiler +Votecount:
Yamato77 (1): Kickstart, Munk-E
Munk-E (6): HeloKnight, Sonic Death Monkey, Yamato77, Mr. Cheesecake, Jacob, Oatsmaster
Kickstart(1): Aquanim [11:35] Munk-E makes a pretty bad final plea. [11:36] HeloKnight becomes a little more conciliatory about Munk-E's play, but doesn't want to lynch Yamato. ... and nothing more of importance until Munk-E flips VT at 12. At least he wasn't blue, I guess. So, what's to be learned from this? One question is: what happened to the Yamato lynch? Up until four hours before lynch Yamato was leading Munk-E in the lynch stakes. @everyone who switched from Yamato to Munk-E (in other words, everyone except Kickstart): Why did you switch? And for that matter, Kickstart, why didn't you switch? Also of note: HeloKnight made the original case on Munk-E, and pushed it pretty hard except at the end (when a Munk-E lynch was pretty much a lock): Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 11:36 HeloKnight wrote:
Okay, I still think it's a little suspicious that your top read also happened to be the wagon of the time, but I'll drop that point because a townie would go after their top scum read.
I still don't want to lynch yamato today. I'm trying to not "white knight" him and to keep my mind open to him as scum, but I'm leaning pretty hard towards a newbie town feel right now. Trying to make himself look a little better for when Munk-E flips green, and keeping his options open on yamato? Looking through HeloKnight's filter I don't see much scumhunting substance besides his Munk-E case and an earlier, inconclusive post on Oatsmaster (and let's face it, a case on a lurker with two posts isn't exactly difficult to concoct). I'd appreciate other people looking through HeloKnight's posts and giving your opinion. This post is the scummiest thing ever. Spreads suspicion on everyone that isn't himself and asks a ton of questions that he never follows up on. What the hell is the Town motivation for this post? Playing neutral as all fuck:On November 26 2012 18:42 Aquanim wrote:In reference to the Yamato case, this post has been coming up: On November 25 2012 14:16 yamato77 wrote:
Still feel uneasy about me? When I saw this post originally, I thought the same thing that I've been seeing in your reads - that it seems like anxious scum. This was in reference to a post I made which (among other things) said I was uneasy about yamato. However, yamato (and CC) had posted since my last refresh and I then posted that I'd been ninja-d a lot. I can well believe that yamato might have thought I'd made the second post because my uneasiness about him had been nullified. Could well still be scum paranoia, but there's a reasonable innocent explanation too.I'm still thinking about the rest of the case. On November 25 2012 14:57 Aquanim wrote:Sure, he's made all of four five posts so far so don't expect anything insightful. On November 25 2012 14:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes totally agree with Cheesecake.
only 5/9 are here, where are the rest On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him I really don't understand where your trepidations are coming from. You agree with me, but get scummy feelings from me? I'm not liking this. In the first quote Cheesecake took, Oatsmaster is agreeing with this post: On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? which is pretty generically town-speech stuff from Mr. Cheesecake. I could well see Oatsmaster agreeing with the body of this message, BUT not liking the fact that Cheesecake is making speeches rather than poking people and looking for scum. (I'm taking a wild guess at what Oatsmaster's feeling was based on here.) And apart from Cheesecake's questions in his first post and contentless sniping at Oatsmaster since that's all there is. On November 27 2012 06:11 Aquanim wrote:On November 27 2012 00:15 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:@Aqua I expressed why I wasn't entirely convinced about your Kick case here. If you're convinced he's scum, can you explain why you don't share those concerns? Kickstart's defence of Cheesecake wasn't limited to Oatsmaster's case - iirc he poked at the use of meta in your CC case, too. The combination of these two, and the lack of serious posting on any other topics really, is what's setting me off. I'm not quite as convinced as I was last night, but I certainly don't have any better reads. On November 26 2012 22:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Aqua
Do you REALLY think Yamato has more insightful posts than Helo? Helo was playing neutral, sure, but at least he had the audacity to come up with an original case on Munk with the little posts he had. Imo he's showing way more initiative than this Yamato fellow. Not sure I've read the case in detail, but with the natural suspiciousness on someone with two posts total it's not hard to make some kind of convincing case. I'm not saying Yamato is TELLING us anything more useful, but I just get the feeling that his posts are probing people a little more. Asking more interesting questions. It's a vague feeling though. My vote stays on Kickstart... I'm beginning to see how he might do this as town, but I still think that what he's been posting would look awfully tempting as mafia. I think I might be missing something about Yamato that you are all seeing, but I don't have time to look at all of his posts in context right now. I'm not comfortable leaving a vote on Munk-E when his filter (and the substantiation of any reads on him) could quadruple in size. Kickstart, if you're town, I expect serious and active scumhunting from you in the future. See you on the other side. Also: WHY THE FUCK DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR VOTE ON KICK?!?! Town would weigh in on the discussion at hand: Yamato versus Munk. Not keep their vote somewhere useless. You don't give a shit who is lynched. The only other thing Aqua has done this game is push an Oats lynch, which is EZ as FK to do at this point in time. I've seen very little original thinking from him. CC's terribad case on Aqua. None of it is convincing at all. He posts a lot of quotes and puts some stuff in red and everyone sheeps this shit. Aqua playing NEUTRAL is scummy? For fucking real? That's a point in his case? What the fuck. This is REALLY scummy play. Could definitely see CC/Oats scumteam going, "HEY, I THINK I CAN GET PEOPLE TO SHEEP MY AQUA CASE!" "GOOD LOL I'LL POST A SHIT ONE TOO!". Town should get roasted for following this guy into lynching Aqua. He doesn't give ANY good reason for not lynching Oats at all, and then starts a bandwagon on Aqua with just a post about how he thinks he is scummy. What the fuck? The most perplexing thing this game is SDM. Why would someone I read as such a strong town D1 and part of D2 get himself involved in this Aqua business? Surely a good town player would see a counterwagon for what it is, right? Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:06 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:I'm starting to talk myself into an Aqua lynch... slowly. Here's my terrible contribution to the case. Those are two posts that, for the same reason, struck me as a bit weird when I read them. Aqua is SCUM because he seems to deliberately focus on being original in an unnatural way (lol me). On November 29 2012 18:09 Aquanim wrote:I can't shake the feeling that Oatsmaster is capable of much better posting than this. It's kinda difficult to substantiate a read like this, but I have a few points: 1) The Cheesecake vote. This is in some ways a townish move - it started the first real discussion and got the real game underway. I was particularly liking this because I too had a difficult-to-define scum read from CC's first handful of posts. On the other hand, we discussed Oatsmaster's vote around and around through all of day one, and didn't really accomplish that much with it (he was just too random to lynch). Perhaps this was his intention? 2) These posts:On November 27 2012 11:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
also to everyone who said that I tunneled CC, You do not understand what tunneled MEANS. On November 28 2012 08:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
I see the folly of my bad play d1, but if it helps us to find scum, I am fine with it. This would seem to indicate to me that he isn't just playing badly, he's aware of what he is doing. I mean, his posts were kinda better day two until the lolswitch onto Jacob (and tbh I think there's a worthwhile case to be made on Helo out there) but still... 3) The hammer thing:On November 28 2012 17:13 Aquanim wrote:On November 27 2012 11:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
The last newbie mafia had 2 so 2 would make sense for this one.
Im confused Munk-e? I hammered the vote! ! ! Quick question @Oatsmaster. What did you mean by "hammered the vote"? On November 28 2012 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Again, it was a joke. hammering the vote means that your vote causes the guy to be lynched, if you didnt vote for him, he wont be lynched.
Do you have examples of my disjointed thoughts?
What do you think about helo being scum? I knew full well what a hammer is. (Check this one out sometime, it's hilarious.) But anyone who knows what a hammer is, or has even heard of one, either read a GSL mafia game, in detail, or has experience with mafia offsite (the concept only applies to instant lynch), which is more experience than I'd expect someone posting like Oats to have. For that matter, Oatsmaster made the sixth vote with nine players, so it's not even like his vote gave Munk-E a majority of the votes. Again, something I would expect someone who knows about hammers at all to know. 4) Grammar. It's not that hard to make a little effort. Everyone else in the game is. And I for one find uncapitalised, unpunctuated posts harder to read and tend to glaze over them. Again, perhaps this is intentional. Look, none of these point are a slam-dunk, and it's not like I have any meta to work with. But the outline they sketch out is interesting - I see a player TRYING to look bad (apologies if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am). And Oats is not contributing anything towards a town victory. Daft town is quite capable of doing that too, but the simplest explanation is scum. ##Vote: Oatsmaster After the Oats wagon gains momentum, Aqua appears. Instead of rehashing the good points that has been made before, he's making up 4 of his own. And they are quite terrible (I thought that at the time as well, even though I was in full confirmation bias mode vs Oats). Particularly 3) and 4) are terrible. Grammar lol? Why would a townie be so fucking insistant in making original points for the sake of it? He ignores the good points already made (I know there has been one more nistance of this that caught my eye but can't remember which). On November 30 2012 06:13 Aquanim wrote:
I can't see us having more than two power roles, and (probably) not less than two either. If they all claim, and we ended up with three including Oats that would be an effective counterclaim. Having all the PRs claim seems pretty ridiculous though, and I don't think it's worth it.
I can't distinguish anything Oats has done since my vote between "oh crap, I'm doctor about to be lynched" and "oh crap, I'm scum about to be lynched". I reckon his posting quality has improved maybe a little, but that doesn't tell me anything. And claiming doctor and a protect on SDM is about as obvious and easy a fake-claim as claiming VT, esp. without a crumb.
Dammit! If you're a doctor, I'm really sorry, but I just. can't. tell. And I still have no better reads, and I still think this read won't improve.
Vote sticks. I have 5 minutes before I have to leave, and I won't be back before lynch. In the event of a massclaim, which I do not endorse, it may be possible for me to leave a message with someone and have them post it. I recently quoted this again he comes up with a fucking terrible idea that is "original". It feels forced and makes no sense. And it ends with that really weird hint. One might argue that the Kicks case falls under the same category. After actually analyzing it it just makes no sense, it's just original for the sake of being original. So, what do we think, guys? NOPE. He's bad too. He talks himself out of the best play D2, lynching the scumbag Oats, and then posts a case calling Aqua scum for being ORIGINAL? What the fuck? You guys have railed on me and others for "sheeping", and the best thing you come up with against Aqua is that he DOESN'T sheep? COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT. You should be ashamed as town for how terrible that logic is. I can't even fathom why town SDM would post that case. I am CONVINCED that two of these three are scum. If I survive until D3 I will go after all three until I get to the bottom of this. JACOB AND HELO: You guys should not have voted for Aqua. Why the fuck did you? Neither of you read him as scum. You both got convinced by SDM to lynch this townie. You cannot allow your play to be dictated by people posting such bad cases. D3 I expect both of you to come out super strong. If you are town, you need to take me seriously. Town has had no direction this game. We've failed to lynch ANY scum. We need to step it up D3 or we are going to lose. That means not talking yourself out of scum reads. Not letting others talk you out of scum reads. I am guilty of this, too, but I am standing strong. Town should stand behind me.
First the formalities, you seem to not even have read what happened yesterday. If you would've read it in any sort of context you would have known that the reason I voted Aqua wasn't my "case". I just threw out whatever opninions I had there. The fact that my part of the case is bad is acknowledged in the "lol me" parenthesis. Perhaps too subtle for you? Well maybe if you would have read the other posts you would've seen me literally saying it was bad. You also would've seen that my vote on Aqua was based more on me getting a town lean on Oats. I've never seen scum who was in a hopeless 6 vs 1 votes situation stay and fight like this. Again, read the thread instead of cherry picking if you want to know what was going on.
Jacob and Helo sheeped me? No, we all sheeped CC. I'm not trying to pass blame on CC, it is what it is and I accept responsibility for thinking it was the correct thing to do at the time. If CC is scum he's really gutsy. If Oats is doc there's still a risk CC is scum, but that would require CC to be really ballsy in a situation where he could just sit back. If Oats is scum, I think the risk decreases. I mean, what if his switch attempt fails? He'll look scummy as fuck. Even if it succeeds he still lead a town mislynch and he's obv going to take heat for that.
You seem to barely have caught up with what happened and you're not looking for town motivation, just to fling poo around. You know who does that? Scum. You know who doesn't read the thread and just cherry pick posts? Scum. I know that from experience. It's much more difficult to keep motivated t read the entire thread, because you're really not looking to catch scum but to catch whatever "scummy" comment to cling on to.
Now what is even more amazing with your post is? YOU STILL DON'T MAKE ONE SINGLE SCUM READ! It's a post to fling poo and establish your own townieness. That's what motivates it and that's not town motivation. I've said it before, you seem to outsource making reads on your top scum reads to other players, who you are supposedly suspicious of. How does that make any sense? You keep posting about how we need to step it up, scum hunt more etc. It's all empty fucking words. You even made a promise last night that when you got back, you were going to start seriously scum hunting, but it's empty promises. You know who makes empty promises? SCUM! Just check me out as scum in XXVIII. I know it's tempting as scum to say you're going to contribute, but it's so hard to follow up on it. You never do.
And finally, the motivational speech at the end of your post. Everyone should make their own reads and trust them, But no wait, we should stand behind you, the shining beacon of townieness that still has yet to make a scum case. Either you have some kind of mega hybris or you're scum.
Now for a question. You have probably been the most wishy-washy player wrt Oats all D1/N1 (this is super easy to confirm, I don't have time to quote all that). You did vote for him finally, but you did it with the weakest argument ever:
On November 29 2012 21:36 yamato77 wrote:
two people have said I didn't post a CC case now when I already did. again, it seems like no one actually reads my filter which doesn't bode well.
Oats that post is full of outright lies and you should feel bad. my motivation for choosing who to lynch has been trying to figure out how scum would play and looking at who has played that way. not going to repost that argument.
I honestly didn't know if mafia KP could be role blocked. If it couldn't then one of our blues has a confirmed town which helps the game. that is why I asked.
You have cherry-picked my posts pretty bad to make this bad case of yours. I know I said I wouldn't defend myself and all but I want people to see this terrible case so they know why I voted for you. only a scum would make a case this bad.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
Before that, this was your last statement on Oats:
On November 29 2012 15:51 yamato77 wrote:
Oats, though, was a huge hindrance to town day 1. His posting was so chaotic that it was almost certainly designed to cause all sorts of discussion, for better or worse, but in no way could that discussion have been useful to town because nothing he said made any sense or was ever backed up with any solid reasoning. CC's case against him says as much, but as I said before he posted that, I don't think erratic play necessarily indicates scum. He could just be playing a really bad town game. I don't want to lynch people for being bad town.
Now to the interesting part, shortly after that Oats claim doc. Now all of a sudden, you are the ONLY player in the thread who's convinced he's a good lynch. I was really sure Oats was a good lynch until he claimed, at which point I really had to pause to try to figure things out. Even Kicks, who's been after him all game was less convinced than you (I don't know Kicks alignment, but he's just one in the masses, same can be said about CC etc). Again, you had been super undecided on him before, but now you're entirely convinced:
On November 30 2012 00:32 yamato77 wrote:
I hate that Oats claimed blue. Honestly, I'm inclined not to believe it because SDM was THE MOST obvious scum target N1 so him claiming he protected him is not conclusive enough proof. It could just as easily be a fake claim by scum in that regard. Equally terrible is the fact that even if it saves him from getting lynched today is that unless there is a JK that protects him tonight, he has just painted a really huge target on his back as a blue for scum KP.
On November 30 2012 00:40 yamato77 wrote:
There is literally zero reason to take his claim seriously. The play is survival based. He's done nothing this whole game but cause stupid shit discussion in the thread and this is just more of it. My vote sticks with him. He should have fucking played less like scum if he really is a blue.
I'm really pissed if he's actually a blue. WHY WOULD YOU PLAY SO BAD AS A BLUE?
On November 30 2012 00:43 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 00:41 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Also guys, start spamming the thread with your ideas. It's really tough for scum to give opinions on this sort of thing without fucking up, so if you wanna help establish your townieness, now is the time. Or we could not waste a bunch of time talking about a really scummy play by a person about to get lynched.
For me, this claim was interesting and something worth thinking about and figure out. Why did you become so dead sure?
I will add to this an analysis of motives here ends up as wifom. If Oats is scum, scum Yamato might fish for townie points. If Oats is doc, scum Yamato might want him lynched, he might think he's acting like a townie but you can also make the argument that he wouldn't want. Townie Yamato on the other hand can only have the motivation of being really sure that lynching Oats is clearly best, however, that doesn't really seem fit.
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