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Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 30 2012 10:41 GMT
#1241
On November 30 2012 19:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
SDM, your strat is probably a bad idea if it involves claim/directing blues.
Please dont post it


I don't think you know what my strat would be.

In any case, why would it be a bad idea for anyone to present a suggestion? And if you're doc, why wouldn't you support this?
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 30 2012 10:51 GMT
#1242
On November 30 2012 18:58 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I keep going in circles....

I will ignore most of the early game for my posts in that case and focus more on the later days, this is because scum find it easy to hide early in the game anyway. I will post what i was going in circles with just so you know what was up but to quote myself at the start of the last case I abandoned.
Show nested quote +

Ok I started a case on kickstart then I thought hmm no helo is probably more scum and after reading a bit abandoned it in favour of a case on yamato after writing a bit about that I have been pointed to kick....


So I will spoiler what I was looking at and have a drink and look at the later stages of the game again.



This was my start on yamato. (remember take it for what is is worth I have no confidence in looking at the early stage anymore)

+ Show Spoiler +
So I will re-hash old topics and this will be an extensive case. I did plenty of these as scum but the difference is I will be very clear and precise about my reads and what I think everything means.
I also might not quote the whole thing when referring to things because it is really hard to see the formatting in a word doc.
Why yamato is scum.

He wants to appear active without actually being active in the early stages of the game.

He goes on CC for playing without contributing saying “None of this reads town to me, at all.”

Then a soon as CC replies he folds beginning his first major post which is a defence. Ending with the conclusion of.

“
I'm on the fence about Mr. Cheesecake. His posting is still mostly defending himself, and attacking two players who posted early, me and Helo. That kind of behavior doesn't really indicate alignment, but if he keeps coming after me with posts that don't even address my concerns about him, I'm going to vote for him.

Most of what I've posted so far has been to get a reaction, and it has worked. How people answer questions and accusations are definitely tells.”

He has gone from doesn’t look like town to on the fence and also tries to prohibit CC from going after him with “if he keeps coming after me with posts that don't even address my concerns about him, I'm going to vote for him.”

However there is the “if he doesn’t address the concerns” part I will admit.

Then the hypocrisy.

In regards to oats he says this. “You want my opinion on Oats? He is probably just a bored townie early on because him giving some silly read is just to spark discussion on something.”
When before he said this regarding himself.
“Most of what I've posted so far has been to get a reaction, and it has worked. How people answer questions and accusations are definitely tells.”

Isn’t this the same thing? Why is it silly when oats says it and logical when he says it.

I’ll include this for his clarification but personally I don’t think it changes much.
On November 26 2012 08:23 yamato77 wrote:
Also, to clarify, when I say Oats is a bored townie, calling someone scum really early is just what I think a bored townie would do when no one is posting anything useful. His posting after that is what I mean to be not alignment indicative.



This was my start on kick.
+ Show Spoiler +
Ok I started a case on kickstart then I thought hmm no helo is probably more scum and after reading a bit abandoned it in favour of a case on yamato after writing a bit about that I have been pointed to kick....

So here is the case on why kick is scum.
1. His meta is completely different, he has said many times meta isn’t good in newbie games but I find it very telling. (for example I can get a good grasp of a meta read on sdm and such)
From yamato...

“As far as reads on other people. Kickstarter's sheer aggression when defending Cheesecake against Oats is astounding. He uses vulgar language more than once and seems wholly preoccupied with Oats' vote being on CC. He doesn't even care if other people think Oats is scum necessarily, so why did he vote for him? The play doesn't really make sense because all he did was cause a whole lot of uproar over a play that no one else saw as scummy. If anything, THAT seems like a scum play.”

While you shouldn’t care if other people think someone is scummy as you don’t want to sheep oh great I just talked my way out of this case as well....


I'll be back sorting out who I think is scum properly looking at the thread from a bit before the doc claim and first lynch.


I don't see any reason to post this, do you?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 11:00 GMT
#1243
Because it allows scum to plan their night actions accordingly, and we dont want that
No gg, No skill.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 30 2012 11:04 GMT
#1244
Not from an outside view no, and to be fair not much from an inside view later but it might tie into the revelation which is why posting it sets it up. (ooohhh mystery)


But they won't plan their night actions as he will post it right before the night post before they have time to respond.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 30 2012 11:11 GMT
#1245
On November 30 2012 20:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because it allows scum to plan their night actions accordingly, and we dont want that


If I post it the minute before the day post, how would this be true?

I'm going to make one of those post where I give it my best shot to find the scum that is remaining. We have enough info at this point and if we play D3+ well we still should have a decent chance.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 12:21 GMT
#1246
well ok then,
Im just saying refrain from strats that involve mass claims and blue directing.
I am now interested in your plan :x
No gg, No skill.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 30 2012 12:57 GMT
#1247
Right well, I just ended up going to bed because nothing was going on and it looked like Oats was 100% gone. Then you guys just all switched to Aqua and got him lynched....based on shit arguments at that - none of those cases in the last hour had any weight to them it was all stupid. Of all the people left you guys thought Aqua was the scummiest....
I am kind of baffled by all of you who switched now.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 13:02 GMT
#1248
hindsight is 20/20
In any case, based on that shithole of a mislynch, who is scum?
No gg, No skill.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 30 2012 13:04 GMT
#1249
Will have to go back through and look at all the vote switches and why. And instead of asking everyone else who is scum, you go find some since you get to stick around due to Aqua getting lynched.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 30 2012 13:06 GMT
#1250
Before I even look into it much I am not sure there will be much to find. If Oats is blue then mafia would have been beyond content to sit on him, so I can think of no reason they would have wanted to switch to Aqua. On the other hand we now know that Aqua was town, we aren't 100% sure of Oats. Anyways I'll take a look at it regardless - others should do the same to see if any sense can be made of it.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 13:11 GMT
#1251
Actually I can think of a reason, they didnt want to answer questions on why you lynched that blue claim.. especially near the end it was 5-3 on me, so helo wouldve had to answer why he didnt switch.
Thats why I think that helo is scum
No gg, No skill.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 30 2012 13:17 GMT
#1252
A possibility sure, but I am not so sure. You have to remember that everyone had their votes on you at one point, so why would they question someone who didn't switch it. Especially when the switch was onto a townie... I could make arguments for days on why you would have been a better lynch than Aqua, now if the 2nd option would have been someone who had been the least bit scummy this game the argument might be different. But for whatever reason you guys switched your votes onto someone who was like... one of the least suspicious this game. Anyways whats done is done, just felt the need to let you all know how stupid that was.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 13:19 GMT
#1253
The problem is that scum know I am probably blue and everyone else other than Helo was afk so they couldnt change.
So if helo stuck with it, im blue HE GETS PUT UNDER A SHITTON OF PRESSURE
No gg, No skill.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 30 2012 13:27 GMT
#1254
Possibly, or he thought you were scummier than Aqua - which I think even after the lynch no one would disagree with, you are still scummier than Aqua was. You may be right about your point, but it isn't the only possible reason for someone switching their vote. You are right that Helo seemed entirely reluctant to do it, but I think that is the normal reaction, I am more interested in the people who switched their vote onto Aqua without any hesitation about it.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 13:34 GMT
#1255
Contradiction
On November 30 2012 22:06 Kickstart wrote:
Before I even look into it much I am not sure there will be much to find. If Oats is blue then mafia would have been beyond content to sit on him, so I can think of no reason they would have wanted to switch to Aqua. On the other hand we now know that Aqua was town, we aren't 100% sure of Oats. Anyways I'll take a look at it regardless - others should do the same to see if any sense can be made of it.


On November 30 2012 22:27 Kickstart wrote:
Possibly, or he thought you were scummier than Aqua - which I think even after the lynch no one would disagree with, you are still scummier than Aqua was. You may be right about your point, but it isn't the only possible reason for someone switching their vote. You are right that Helo seemed entirely reluctant to do it, but I think that is the normal reaction, I am more interested in the people who switched their vote onto Aqua without any hesitation about it.

No gg, No skill.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 30 2012 13:55 GMT
#1256
not a contradiction. I meant that being reluctant to switch is the normal reaction. You are making no sense at all with that post - although given your history this game that is no surprise. me saying that MAFIA would be content to sit on you, and then saying that helo seemed reluctant to move his vote from you to Aqua is in no way a contradiction. What are you even talking about.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 14:06 GMT
#1257
Sorry bolded the wrong part
Why are you interested in the people who switched too easily when you said scum would be content to sit on me?
Contradiction right there.
No gg, No skill.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 30 2012 14:44 GMT
#1258
You can't follow a simple conversation can you. I said if you are blue and the mafia thought this they would be content to sit on you. The fact that they may not have (due to so many people switching over to Aqua for really, really shit reasons) is suspicious (meaning maybe you aren't blue, or they know something that we don't). AT LEAST HELO SHOWED SOME RESERVATIONS TO JUST THROWING HIS VOTE ON AQUA (this doesn't clear him, but compared to you other morons who just voted Aqua and touted it like it was some novel idea, him not being 100% comfortable with it doesn't make him scummy).
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 30 2012 14:45 GMT
#1259
Anyways I am done with this, take your own advice and go find some scum Oats.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2012 14:48 GMT
#1260
I guess you just have to trust that I am blue. Occam's razor, I am most likely doc because its the simplest explanation.
I call epic scumslip RIGHT THERE.
Why does showing reservations clear him more than Jacob/CC/SDM?
It looks more suspicious because it looked like he thought that not enough people were online to switch the vote off me, then when the pressure got high he just changed so he would not be under suspicion from townies like you (assuming you are a townie)
No gg, No skill.
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