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Blazinghand
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Here is the central point of the case: clarity has been taking the easy road to "appearing to be town". He's been making lots and lots of little, easy non-contributions. Chief among these: - he's been really focused on a lot of small points that don't actually point towards alignments or help find scum - he's been asking a lot of questions, but often without sharing his own positions or thoughts until being pushed - he's been "calling people out" for "playing badly", "not being pro-town enough", "not trying hard enough" etcetera, but he hasn't been taking his own advice. what cases he has made have been flimsy, based on bad logic, and expedient at the time. these are all things that are easy for scum to do in order to try and seem town, pass by the townies unnoticed. out of the players who didn't join the last-minute switch to hapahauli he is definitely the scummiest. On November 13 2012 10:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Bandwagon time! Please answer why you claimed. ##Vote Strongandbig On November 13 2012 10:50 Clarity_nl wrote: You've posted three times since your VT claim, with a total of 7 words. Please explain your claim. On November 13 2012 10:55 Clarity_nl wrote: He "VT claims", then disappears. He just answered and his answer was "I claimed on accident" I explain my reasoning my 2 posts before my vote. On November 13 2012 11:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Where do you currently live? Could you change your profile to that? clarity was like super obsessed with my vt claim. i already told you why that's scummy. On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote: He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter" who cares if that was a smurf On November 13 2012 11:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context? You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important. But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself. Please tell me where I am wrong. who cares On November 13 2012 16:41 Clarity_nl wrote: Morning. My vote on SnB isn't going anywhere for the moment. It was meant as pressure and it'll remain until he answers my question: I find the answer (if you can call it that).... not to my liking: Anyway.... just because my vote is on him doesn't mean I can't focus on other things. Just woke up and had breakfast, will be reading some filters. PS: What? more about my claim On November 13 2012 16:52 Clarity_nl wrote: Right now, he's it. Maybe he's a bit too obvious and maybe the fact that no one has defended him, even a little bit, makes it less likely, but he's still it. Just because I said my vote pressures him, does not mean that is solely what my vote it for. It's staying there until he explains himself clearly, luckily we have plenty of time. lol On November 13 2012 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote: I wish he posted more. It seems he was around for about 2 hours but he never really said anything of substance. The only original thought he had so far was his debears vote, which he quickly withdrew. The vote made no sense to begin with. "Debears didn't write a paragraph about a miller claim day 1, that's scummy!" ?? His miller claim makes sense, there's been no other miller claims. The only thing I don't like about it is that he explained his possible motivations as scum and town to claim miller, which isn't necessary. Your turn. meh On November 13 2012 17:26 Clarity_nl wrote: ebwop His play this game is still anti-town, regardless of alignment. I hope you realize this SnB and shape up. good old "he's being anti town" the scum's best friend On November 13 2012 17:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Hapa, this still bothers me. I asked you what you thought about SnB's claim and if you thought it was bad for town, and you answered: You compared this to Cheese's claim from NMM XXX even though the situations are completely different. The only reason Cheese claimed was because he thought only VT's knew the VT flavor. So he was trying to claim without alerting scum. SnB just outright claimed VT. After I explain why it's different, you basically give me the same answer: The other thing I don't really like is the use of "theoretically yes" and "IMO" Whenever I've seen you post you tend to be direct and with conviction, but not this time. weeeeeak saaaaaaauce On November 14 2012 01:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Blazing for the love of god use spellcheck or autocorrect or something and please stop posting one liners and address the case made against you. Hi guys, I'm back. Marv I'm not suspicious of you, I was just curious about debears' response. I phrased the question in a way that would make him seem inconsistent if he found you town, but he found you town anyway. Gives me a town read on debears. Scum hate to be inconsistent. guys post better guys guys come on guys post better look at how much townie i am On November 14 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah.... making a case on Darth isn't working, which I think in itself says a lot. If you guys somehow haven't noticed. Take a look at Darth's filter. It's basically a bunch of one-liners, jokes, the occasional null read on others. It doesn't actually help town. The only things that stand out in his filter are him voting for SnB with the comment "so retarded" (which apparantly is a null tell, judging by his previous games, he throws the word around a lot) After I jump on the SnB wagon, he votes for me without explaining. Later on he quotes his own post of him voting for me and explains why, after I explain my reasoning he quickly unvotes me and hops back on SnB. He then claims he's just "throwing his vote around", but he doesn't ask questions or make comments about me or SnB. Then why vote for him? Because if it was to pressure, why wouldn't he actually explain why he's voted this way or ask questions? You either vote to lynch or you vote to pressure. But Darth's vote was.... neither? ##Vote DarthPunk someone already talked about this but lolwut, "making a case isn't working" but "vote to kill him" like, to clarity the reason "making a case isn't working" is not because dp was townish but just because his filter wasn't long enough - this reasoning implies that "making a case should work" if anyone has a large enough filter. like, maybe he was trying to do a lurker lynch without actually calling it that? but also there's pretty much no explanation of why any of this stuff makes darthpunk scum, just "he's doing this thing and he shouldn't be doing it." On November 14 2012 05:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Do you guys have some sort of meta read that I do not? The description "has a 3 page filter but nothing that I can make a read off of" doesn't seem very townie to me. someone who says this had better have stuff in their filter that people can get a townread off of... but nope On November 14 2012 06:51 Clarity_nl wrote: I wouldn't say tunneling someone is considered defending yourself. I don't disagree with this notion. If you're town just scumhunt and the fact that you're town will shine through, but don't accuse someone else of not defending themselves. Where did he mention you're threatened by his claim? On November 14 2012 06:56 Clarity_nl wrote: But, you're not scum, right? So you don't feel threatened, right? On November 14 2012 07:01 Clarity_nl wrote: But you didn't say "Scum wouldn't be threatened", you said "I'm not threatened" On November 14 2012 07:03 Clarity_nl wrote: I'd love someone else's input on this phrasing. Am I reading too much into it? Marv if you're gonna do quiztime it should be soon. I plan on going to bed at NOT 4 am since I have to be up 3 am tomorrow for lynchtime. yeah more "who cares" here like, this is just silly. On November 14 2012 07:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I guess it's because I just started the post and ended it. I spellchecked but that's it. So I started out with "Yeah making a case on him isn't working" But I guess I did end up making a case on him, heh. I just wanted to put thoughts out there that weren't about BH, as I felt others were flying under the radar. read the whole exchange here, they both sound weird then tell me that sounds like the aggro hapa we know and On November 14 2012 08:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Blazing, you didn't HAVE to claim. I guess it's too late for that though, so let's leave that till post game. Do you still believe Zbo is scum, and who else do you have scumreads on? Give us as much information as possible this daycycle. somebody else said why this is bad its bad On November 14 2012 23:54 Clarity_nl wrote: I'll be back for a bit in 30-40 minutes but in an hour or two I'll be gone until 9 pm my time (6 hours before lynch). I would like some more thoughts on this please: iamp I urge you to look elsewhere than BH for the time being, and revisit this tomorrow. Lynching him today would simply be bad. i'm not too into this giving town your schedule thing at least not until they start voting for you for not posting enough or whatever On November 15 2012 01:04 Clarity_nl wrote: So what you're saying is you won't make cases because it requires effort? Dude you are making it so hard on me to not vote for you. yeah cause your cases are so well made oh wait no but that's okay, still let's call out other people for shit and stuff, that's easier than actually making cases On November 15 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote: Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases? Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine. On November 15 2012 06:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Is TL having issues atm? Refreshing is taking forever. On November 15 2012 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Hopeless, other than debears, what are your thoughts on others? Even if you have null reads, please share them, explain them. On November 15 2012 07:06 Clarity_nl wrote: Does this mean you agree that BH is a bad lynch now, or you simply realized he won't get lynched today? thats a lot of questions that you're asking people asking questions is easy On November 15 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote: I feel I am at a disadvantage, not having a natural meta awareness about most people in this thread. I do try to read people's older games after I am done reading through their filter, but I just read their filter, which means their posts lose context.. somewhat. That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense. I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist. ##Unvote ##Vote Z-BosoN this is super easy "oh i dont know meta but this case is good" lol, super easy and non-committal. On November 15 2012 10:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, well first off unvote Blazing because that's not happening. Read Hapa's cases, debears responses and cases on hopeless. Read marv's case on zbo. Your choices currently are: debears, hopeless, zbo townie townie and townie wow choosing between three townies day 1, our town must be doing pretty bad right? On November 15 2012 10:33 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv you've been super quiet. Thoughts? Where the hell is thrawn? like this one, this is only okay if you're actually doing stuff too lol lol lol On November 15 2012 10:57 Clarity_nl wrote: No, this is terrible. 3 minutes before lynch and a hapa wagon has started. No one has made a good case on him all day. On November 15 2012 10:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Your case was nothing but OMGUS okay this one is important - it's not "he's town, there's no reason to think he's scum" or "i have a town read on him because of a reason" or even "i have a town read on him because i'm mafia dislexic". It's "there is not a good case on him." That's how scum think buddies. they don't think "is he town or not" they think "is the case good or not". On November 15 2012 11:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Ok. Couple of thoughts without looking back. The assumption that everyone who jumped on hapa is town is bad. Odds are, the last two people who jumped on hapa are town. To me it seems likely that there is scum in the first couple of people jumping on hapa, because they didn't expect (like me) him to get lynched. Easy townie points with nearly no risk. Marv was unusually quiet near the end. BH said jump on hapa, lol jk wait d2, lol lets jump on hapa ##vote Hapa. Now he's claiming town credit? Ehhh.... quick! gotta throw some water on this town fire! like, I'm okay with the "that was stupid" post someone else talked about, but this is pretty quick after a godfather lynch to start trying to vaguely and generally discredit the voters on that lynch. On November 15 2012 21:47 Clarity_nl wrote: I just don't get this series of events. I agree that the "scumslip" thing was suspicious but we were waaaayy too close to deadline. On November 15 2012 21:48 Clarity_nl wrote: And this is coming from a claimed JK who is now claiming VT. With his reasoning being that he wouldn't be active. Only he was. On November 15 2012 21:54 Clarity_nl wrote: The dumbest part for me is that I asked him to post his night action Then a mere 3.5 hours later he posts Why would a VT blazinghand want to answer my question so quickly and with so much conviction if he planned on spilling the beans on his claim. On November 15 2012 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay well.... this hurts my brain. I don't see a motivation for any alignment or role. Either he's putting too much value on himself as town or he's making a really dumb play as scum. Yes, he saved himself D1, but he's just sewing chaos all over the place. Today I won't be as active. I'll actually be around, but playing some dota2/cs:go, will check the thread inbetween, and will ofcourse post reads before night ends just in case. On November 15 2012 22:20 Clarity_nl wrote: Can you find a scum angle on backing out of your claim during N1? It's major WIFOM at best. Which actually makes me think it would be a good move for scum, since trying to keep your story straight as scum JK is hard. We have quite a bit of time, I'll mull it over. then there's a loooooooot of talking about blazinghand's retarded fake fake claim retardation but he never actually puts it together and says "this makes him scum" or "this makes him town" or "this is important because reasons" more easy stuff. okay holy shit his filter is long. i don't have enough time to keep going through it bit by bit right now. but look, he just keeps going like this - easy thing after easy thing, barely anything serious or difficult, never really putting himself out there. the only posts he makes that are really meaty are his terribad cases on me. like seriously, the only times when he goes through something and takes an in depth look at it point by point are when he is tunneling me for terrible reasons, and when he's defending himself from a case (mostly by raging at it). for the rest of this post I'm just going to be putting in highlights On November 18 2012 15:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Currently the holy town trinity is iamp, hope and myself. Currently the scum that looks to be buddying up with a scummy town to look more towny is Djo or SnB. Currently Kickstart, Darth, debears, blazing are ALL not contributing. And it's driving me up the goddamn wall. lol lol lol On November 18 2012 20:31 Clarity_nl wrote: How come there are so many lazy town in this game, but not the fucking newbies I played in. Kickstarter, I've explained before why just sitting back and saying who you think is scummy is not enough. Darth, you said the only person you're willing to lynch over zbo was me, make a fucking case. Hopeless, seriously dude you are the closest we have to confirmed town, you have nothing to fear, this is the perfect time to read read read and get a read going. I would also like everyone who voted zbo to explain why they didnt switch after his death post. Did it LOOK like a fucking WIFOM bomb? He called the towny players town and he called the scummy players scum. yeah i talked about this one already On November 19 2012 10:42 Clarity_nl wrote: How is it wrong that the scum don't want the cop dead WTF. They have to blindly kill people that AREN'T you or BH. The cop checks the scum, it's game over. #1 priority for scum is to kill the cop. He doesn't give a shit about confirmed townies right now. Am I really the only one seeing this? Hopeless you might be confirmed townie but what have you done with it so far? You have a vote, that's it. pretty mad about night kill speculation good thing bh persuaded him to kill the cop instead of bh lol yeah okay that's all you get for now hope you're happy and if you are voting for me you're stupid. | ||
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Quote all the quotes Comment LOLOLOLOL Say I'm taking the easy road? | ||
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On November 20 2012 05:51 Blazinghand wrote: first the screenshot unsportsmanship, now this. ._. we need to talk about this. your reaction to the fact that people can lie about irl stuff is to ignore them. my reaction is different, it's just to not lie and assume people will know that. like, i don't understand how demonstrating that i'm telling the truth is "unsportsmanlike", that's stupid. if I say something that is verifiable and someone says "he wasn't telling the truth" then how is it unsportsmanlike of me to verify it? you're being stupid. | ||
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On November 20 2012 06:25 Clarity_nl wrote: So your case is this: Quote all the quotes Comment LOLOLOLOL Say I'm taking the easy road? wow that was pretty fast did you actually read the posts I pointed out and make up your mind about whether they are (a) substantially engaging the thread, making it easy for people to read you and hold you accountable for your positions, advancing the collective scum hunt, etcetera, or (b) scummy attempts to take the easy path to looking townie? i don't think you did, i think you just skimmed it and though "oh hey this guy who i've been tunneling made a case on me, let's go tunnel some more because that's easier than actually engaging that case" | ||
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I wasn't obsessed with your vt claim, I pointed it out with a vote, then asked you wtf you were doing cause you were being an idiot, then I replied to a question asking me to clarify. BH convinced me as scum to go for cop, when BH didn't even fucking understand my point about scum having to go for cop. Your case is just going to my filter, quoting a ton of posts, and going "lol" or "meh" at it. You make exactly two points in your entire case, one of which has already been pointed out. | ||
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i'm demonstrating through multiple quotations how your filter takes an overall cavalier attitude towards the game, whose objective is to seem town rather than to actually be town | ||
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##unvote ##vote: clarity | ||
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On November 20 2012 06:37 Clarity_nl wrote: I could quote iamp's filter and say he's trying to come across as town. Doesn't make him scum. Your point is dumb and it's clear to anyone I've been trying hard this game. Unlike you. okay then do it but that's not the entirety of it - you have to demonstrate that he's doing easy things to come across as town without actually being townie/promoting town objectives in a substantive way. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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strongandbig (5): Clarity_nl, Hopeless1der, Djodref, Blazinghand, Kickstart Djodref (1): iamperfection Clarity_nl (1): strongandbig Not voting (1): DarthPunk Currently, strongandbig is set to be lynched! ~28 hours remaining in Day 1. If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. Full version: + Show Spoiler + strongandbig (5): Djodref (1): Clarity_nl (1): strongandbig Blazinghand (0): Not voting (1): DarthPunk | ||
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On November 20 2012 06:48 strongandbig wrote: okay then do it but that's not the entirety of it - you have to demonstrate that he's doing easy things to come across as town without actually being townie/promoting town objectives in a substantive way. I won't, because it's stupid, like your case. Clearly I have not helped town in any way. Is anyone around to give their thoughts? | ||
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