EPTIll talk to you after the game us over
I swares ill catch the last scum bro
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Ill talk to you after the game us over I swares ill catch the last scum bro | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 18 2012 08:37 debears wrote: Ok I'm going to go see the new bond. I'll poke in and out when I can I really need someone to give me the following setup odss: Vig, JK, Miller, GF, Goon, scum RB -> VJMTT** => one or two roles missing in your list, this setup is impossible Vig, JK, GF, Goon, scum RB -> VJTT*** => irrelevant now that Z-Bo has flipped and impossible Vig, JK, Cop, Miller, GF, Goon, scum RB -> VJCCMTT => the only possible setup that you have proposed so far Vig, JK, Cop, GF, Goon, scum RB -> VJCCTT** => irrelevant now that Z-Bo has flipped and impossible @ debears Here are your answers regarding the setup odds. Please check them in your quote. You need CC to get a cop and BB to get a town roleblocker. You are really more likely to get a cop than a roleblocker. The others roles (V for 1-shot Vig, J for Jailkeeper and M for Miller) have all the same probability to get rolled. We have more information now that we have a dead miller. Hopeless being close to be confirmed big, I think that a mass claim at the end of this night could help us to condemn or clear BH. This issue is important for me so I would like you to consider it seriously. But it's not my decision. In the case where BH claim is a fakeclaim The possible setups are
In the case where BH is JK The possible setups are
Considering this, I'm definitively up for a mass claim during the last hour of N2. It can be a great help to solve this game without shouting at each other for days and days. Please consider the following points.
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Mass claim at the end of the night ! Who is up for it ? | ||
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France3332 Posts
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
1st or 2nd: SNB and DJO (SnB first, still the person I find scummiest) 3rd: Clarity (though I don't have a strong scum read on him, I haven't read him as town all game and all the other players I feel are more town than him). 4th: BH (because if we get rid of those 3 and no new developments are made, it is time to get rid of BH finally for his shenanigans). | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I would like to know what you think of the mass claim !!! | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On November 18 2012 13:02 Djodref wrote: @ Kickstart I would like to know what you think of the mass claim !!! zbos thought we had a cop i say let him do whatever he wants.(which is how i would want it) | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Z-Bo thought he found the cop, I think I also found him now and the probabilities indicate that a Cop is more likely than any other roles. I love math and I would love to solve a game by pure logic !! I think it is really worth it ! I'm getting excited now  | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'm going to claim during the last hour of N2 ! Who is with me on this ? I would like to remind you once again the benefits of a mass claim !
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On November 18 2012 13:17 Djodref wrote: I'm going to claim during the last hour of N2 ! Who is with me on this ? I would like to remind you once again the benefits of a mass claim !
how would we "know" bh is fake claim or not through a mass claim. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I would like you to read this post again + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2012 12:44 Djodref wrote: @ debears Here are your answers regarding the setup odds. Please check them in your quote. You need CC to get a cop and BB to get a town roleblocker. You are really more likely to get a cop than a roleblocker. The others roles (V for 1-shot Vig, J for Jailkeeper and M for Miller) have all the same probability to get rolled. We have more information now that we have a dead miller. Hopeless being close to be confirmed big, I think that a mass claim at the end of this night could help us to condemn or clear BH. This issue is important for me so I would like you to consider it seriously. But it's not my decision. In the case where BH claim is a fakeclaim The possible setups are
In the case where BH is JK The possible setups are
Considering this, I'm definitively up for a mass claim during the last hour of N2. It can be a great help to solve this game without shouting at each other for days and days. Please consider the following points.
When I'm speaking about a mass-claim, I want the VT to claim as well. There is not so many possibilities setup-wise when you have a Godfather-Goon-scum RB scumteam because this game is following the C9++ rules. So we know exactly how many blue roles to expect. If we have too many of them, then we have to lynch BH and it's going to be GG. If we have the right number of them, then I have to eat my hat and admit that BH claim is right. Am I clear enough ? | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
For reference | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 18 2012 13:27 Kickstart wrote: I'm inclined to think a mass claim would get us nowhere. It really is up to each individual but I think we can make progress and move forward without needing mass claim. I just don't think we really need it as town at this point. Well, I have arguments that indicate that it would help us greatly to solve the game if not outright forcing the last scum to concede. But let me ask you these questions. Do you want to know if BH claim is fake or not ? Do you want to know if there is a SK or not in this game ? | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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Kickstart
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
K enough spamming from me for now. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On top of that, we are likely to have a cop so more confirmed town players in the process. The downfall is that we are going to out some blue payers but I don't think it really matters at this point. We are likely to be in a 7vs1 situation tomorrow so that mean that a scum would need 3 mislynches to win the game. It is not going to happen at all if we have the blues. It could be a problem if we have a SK but this is 3 times less likely than a no SK situation and we could start to hunt him if we know for sure that he exists. This game is all about information. As town, we know already for sure that
I'm pretty sure that a mass claim is going to give us enough data to help us win this battle of information And I think it's easier and faster than to look in details at more than 100 pages long game, and also a more beautiful way to solve this game (but this is personal preference ^^) I need the VTs to claim as well by the way. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 18 2012 13:35 Kickstart wrote: But some roles are just going to lye. How complicated would it be to figure out from there? Are you planning to lye ? Of course, we need all the town players to tell the truth, especially the blue roles. Now, we have only one or two bad guys left. Their choice is to lye about being VT or about being blue. If they lye about being blue (like I suspect BH to do already), we are just going to have too much blues for this setup. Let's consider the following cases. We end up with more blue roles than it is possible We lynch BH first and it is likely to be GG at this point. If not, which I doubt, we lynch the other guys that are most likely to be a lying about their roles. We 3 lynches to find the liar. Easy enough, I would say. We end up with blue roles which make sense setup-wise It means that the bad guy(s) are in the crowd claiming VT. But it also mean that the blues are confirmed. Especially if we get a confirmed cop, we can get more town players confirmed. The scum has to hide in the VT unconfirmed players. That reduces our scope of search greatly and helps us to solve the game for sure What do you think ? | ||
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) and it could help us to have confirmed townies
