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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 04 2012 23:45 GMT
#821
##Vote Sylverfyre

For the reasons stated in the my earlier post
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
November 04 2012 23:45 GMT
#822
On November 05 2012 08:23 debears wrote:
@Alsn

Could you look over Sylver's filter? I see a few worrisome things

1) In an active game, he has been fairly inactive - only 2 pages in the filter. In other words, he isn't invested in the game/the lynch discussion
2) He still hasn't addressed my response to his case

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On November 05 2012 06:08 sylverfyre wrote:
Debears, much of your 'unique reasoning' was full of holes. Anyone can make a case built on scraps, but your cases haven't held together in my eyes. Thus, I think you did it in order to hide the fact that you wanted to point fingers in the same direction as someone else and hide your OMGUSing.


3) His reasoning for voting me was bad
4) His latest troll post

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On November 05 2012 06:03 sylverfyre wrote:
oOo Rad, it's a list. Some people think those are scummy to post!

Da0ud is quiet, but he speaks up and contributes when he's around. I can't really call that scummy. I definitely don't think it's worth lynching him over it.


5) He's not here before lynch
6) His reasons for suspicion are pretty ambiguous against me/Djo when there has been plenty said of us

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On November 05 2012 01:43 sylverfyre wrote:
You know what, debears and Djodref are teaming up on someone again. I find it difficult to swallow that the two of them are independently finding the same people scummy. I think one of the two is scum, and I don't know which one. Worth noting that this is the second time that debears has followed up Djo on an attack (though the first time, it was also in defense of himself. This time, there's no such defense.


7) He defends Clarity by throwing out random suspicions on Djo/me/dau0d

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On November 05 2012 00:38 sylverfyre wrote:
Djo is still making little sense with his plurality lynch strategy. After saying straight up that it's too late to discuss lynch strategy.

I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument)

Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that.

Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being crucified for it? o.O

I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.)

I wish he hadn't left so abruptly though.

Da0ud seems in the same boat. He's on the quiet side, and now he's waiting before making another move.


8) He reposts pretty much the same thing an hour later

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On November 05 2012 01:40 sylverfyre wrote:
Djo is still making little sense with his plurality lynch strategy. After saying straight up that it's too late to discuss lynch strategy.

I feel like people might be reading into stuff too much on clarity, after forcing a lot of stuff out of him and then rejecting it as a "List" - you're basically cutting him off and being like "your idea is bad don't share that" and then are mystified when he gets quiet. Furthermore, he was active during the part of the day that debears was arguing rather constantly about his "Fluff Percentage" (and appears to even have gotten sidetracked by skimming through and pulling a number out, presumably hoping to get debears to drop the pointless argument)

Successfully waste someone's time -> call them scum for not contributing enough? I am really not sure how I feel about that. He's got a 4 page filter which doesn't read as fluffy to me (I admit I'm just skimming right now)

Shit, he's not even the only one who iterated through the people he had questions for - so why is he the only one being called out for it? o.O

I realize he didn't follow through with pressure on his cases (in fact, I pretty much missed the question he asked me until I got around to it by scumhunting at Djo's prod.)

His latest posts really make me think he isn't pulling off some active lurking strategies.

BTW, game 1 he had page and a half when he got modkilled. At the same time this game, he has almost twice that. I really can't call that "more passive" even though he's not coming out swinging this game.


What do you think Alsn?

1) Null tell/speculation. I wouldn't say he was particularly active in XXIX either before he was shot.
2) I guess he hasn't? I'd like it if he clarified it too, but what does it say really?
3) This I'll give you that he did, but not that it's necessarily a scum tell. It might have felt to him like he had to produce "something" so that people wouldn't suspect him. I'm not sure if I can brand this a scum tell though. If he really believed that you were scum but just couldn't find a good reason for why he thought so it also fits.
4) That post is definitely not helpful at this point.
5) I don't like it either.
6) Actually, that point I actually feel you're wrong. I'd say that statement is pretty clearly an attempt at pointing out why he thinks you are suspicious(him thinking you are hiding behind Djod). I see similarities in my rationale for thinking one of Dandel/Cheese was scum and the other was town last game.
7) I'm not sure what to think of this, is he not allowed to defend clarity and at the same time be suspicious of other people? If he was defending a supposed scum buddy I could see it, but sylver has been suspicious of those names before Clarity was under attack hasn't he? Correct me if I'm wrong.
8) An elaborate EBWOP? I honestly have no clue what to think about that "double" post unless he explains it.

All in all, I think the best point is his weak case against you. But on the other hand, I don't see the scum motivations for in essence sheeping onto me and Clarity in order to get you lynched if you are indeed town. Especially if his scum buddy was Clarity? I guess it depends on who his scum buddy is in that scenario, what he was trying to accomplish by pushing you, but I see it as a little bit too "public" for having clear scum motivations. At least at first glance.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 04 2012 23:45 GMT
#823
To stop any shenannies - every player in the game knows the VT role PM.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 04 2012 23:47 GMT
#824
I am completely lost now after what just happened.
Is there ANYONE other than sylver here that thinks debears might be scum? Seriously doubting right about now...
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
November 04 2012 23:48 GMT
#825
debears, I'll look into his actual filter instead of your case. It's possible that I'm biased with green goggles because I decided to take his side in the original argument you guys had about him voting you.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 04 2012 23:48 GMT
#826
Alright

Considering the flavor claim. I would like to point out a few things

1) If Cheese is scum, the other scum probably went in on the flavor claim also, since both would know it
2) If Cheese is town, I doubt there were any scum in the claims that just happened
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
November 04 2012 23:50 GMT
#827
On November 05 2012 08:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am completely lost now after what just happened.
Is there ANYONE other than sylver here that thinks debears might be scum? Seriously doubting right about now...
Not at this time, no. I'm leaning pretty hard town on debears. If nothing else, I think he's been more open about what his actual opinions are this game(last game at this point he had basically only accused Inig and then went missing only to come back and complain about us lynching someone else)
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 04 2012 23:51 GMT
#828
Wait, how would people know about the VT role PM besides the VTs....
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
November 04 2012 23:51 GMT
#829
I haven't actually read page 41 yet. Let me do so.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 04 2012 23:51 GMT
#830
I'm back, I'm catching up
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 04 2012 23:52 GMT
#831
On November 05 2012 08:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Wait, how would people know about the VT role PM besides the VTs....


I think to give the mafia safeclaims
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 04 2012 23:55 GMT
#832
Did cheese really have a motive to claim though? It's not like Alsn's case has gotten any real traction.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 04 2012 23:56 GMT
#833
On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?


Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 04 2012 23:57 GMT
#834
I would also like to know why he claimed
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 04 2012 23:58 GMT
#835
On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?


Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did


I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 04 2012 23:59 GMT
#836
ebwop The last thing we needed an hour before lynchtime was a really big assumption.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 04 2012 23:59 GMT
#837
On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:
On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT?


Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did


I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role.


Hold on there. I could understand that maybe you thought the mafia had a name safe claim. But the whole role pm?
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
November 04 2012 23:59 GMT
#838
Wait, if I'm to understand marv correctly, were some players not aware that the VT role was "regular fapper"? Or what?
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 04 2012 23:59 GMT
#839
Eh. I'm severely mindfucked right now....
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 05 2012 00:00 GMT
#840
On November 05 2012 08:59 Alsn wrote:
Wait, if I'm to understand marv correctly, were some players not aware that the VT role was "regular fapper"? Or what?


I didn't know that everyone knew the flavor and whole pm
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