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I probably need to post this sooner rather than later, so people can make up their own minds. I personally will be making up my mind tomorrow when I am sober, but I am currently not yet convinced on Muso's bullcrap gambit.
Reasons it seems okay from a town point of view: 1. He has no clue how mafia on TL works. On other sites it may be more normal to play loose and fast with the truth. 2. The reason for scum to roleclaim at this point is similarly stretching it.
Reasons I want to lynch Muso on the spot: 1. He gives no accountability whatsoever. As opposed to my own reveal (below). There is no possible way of differentiating between a crappy town gambit and a crappy scum gambit. Honestly, if this works on whatever forum Muso is used to playing on, I want to play scum there, as I will have a fucking field day. 2. If at lylo we are still stuck with his gambit we are screwed. Better to just get rid of him.
Now onto the main body of my post: I lied. I'm not a mason. I am Jessica Rabbit, though. Here is the decryption key for my post: spoiler=key] Encryption method: one-time pad Decryption key: What's up doc? That is all folks. What's up doc? That is all folks. What's up doc? That is all folks. What's up doc? That is all folks. Plug the code and key into this website: http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/otp.php [/spoiler]
Now why did I do this and what did we get out of it?
1. I didn't trust Musa's claim at all and didn't want to let him run around with that claim for free. Sure, there could be an actual mason team out there, but they hadn't counterclaimed, so I thought there was a good chance that either Musa made a bad claim as town, or he was scum taking a risk. I wanted to know what it was.
2. The thread is seriously lacking and it's D1. Having a setpiece for talking about and shaking up discussion is good, see point 3.
3. I wanted to gauge people's reactions. If Musa IS a town mason, then scum in particular should be very surprised to find a second mason team claiming.
My findings 1. As said above, I will make proper sense of the Muso situation above. For the moment I still consider him the most likely candidate, because my judgement isn't completely capable at the moment and I want to think this shit through when sober. The main reason I don't just consider his wacko claim a scum claim is because through my own gambit I feel a viable alternative popped up: see point two.
2. However, there is a VERY good alternative: prplhz is scum. I had a marginal scumread on him based on a post before I fake claimed. I particularly didn't like him dishing out town reads in a slapdash fashion. However, the main tell is his initial reaction to the mason claim. A "normal" town reaction was exhibited by most other players saying "one of the two is scum", based on the incredibly low probability of there being 2 mason teams. Instead, prplhz's reaction was "there are 2 mason teams". This smells of a player who has more information available to him, namely, that neither Acro nor Muso are scum, and therefore there MUST be two mason teams, because townies don't lie. Given some time he realized that townies can do statistics and were ignoring his helping hand, so he jumped on the easy bandwagon.
##unvote
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Actually, I'll go with my gut for the moment. I still completely dislike Muso's play, but I'll think on that tomorrow.
##vote prplhz
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On November 02 2012 20:17 drazak wrote: I'm just... I'm gonna go fine a corner to cry in, this game. 2 town fake claims on day one that are already admitted fake claims? fucking serious? Not sure what to make of all of it I suggest to just read the thread and do some traditional behavioural analysis. I like my vote on prplhz (sorry Promethelax, your predecssor said some stuff that I cannot jibe with town).
@Kushm4sta: you're not thinking straight. Also, blame Bugs for my rolename.
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On November 02 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote: Nofucking body claims a role and then says lol I was just kidding. I wasn't kidding. The reason for roleclaiming was in the encrypted post beforehand. I whiffed a dodgy roleclaim and thought it could be scum getting away scotfree with a mason claim, which would make him "confirmed" in the eyes of too many people. I have to say, I was not expecting a town excuse for fakeclaiming mason. My post on Muso is coming up (as is a more comprehensive post on prplhz).
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Muso One thing I think should be clear from this, and that is that this play was NOT a noobscum play. Well, either that, or his scumbuddy just completely took over in the second half of D1 and told him what to say and how to say it, which I don't think happened.
That leaves Muso as an experienced town player, OR an experienced scum player. In either case the gambit is somewhat explainable and I don't have enough information about the rest of his playstyle to decide which, so I will just lay them both out here:
The case for Muso Claims noob mason, knowing that a counterclaim is possible. If there is no counterclaim he gets his free ride on town thinking he's a power role. He also gets to play as if he has talked things over for his partner and is "mouth" for his partner. This can be a very powerful ploy if used well and could keep town running in circles all game.
Unfortunately for him, he was counterclaimed. Phase 2 of the plan is needed: claim there is no reason for scum to claim mason (which there clearly is, see above) and that he is actually a VT claiming to "protect" the town power roles. An experienced/smart player could have seen this contingency in advance and thought of this backup.
The case for Muso Has been made by Muso himself. The scenario where Muso is mafia is a high risk for not all that high a reward. It puts him in the spotlight and has a large chance of backfiring. It is a stupid play. Muso is not playing like he's stupid. At least, not since the first 24 hours of D1. The reason for claiming as town is not stupid. It's just a bit naive, but a good idea at the core.
Some other stuff:
On November 02 2012 13:30 Muso wrote: Reasoning for my claim:
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2. The wealth of information and reads that are available from this train is enormous. I doubt anybody will disagree with the idea that we've gained a lot more information from today than we would have had we led a lynch on somebody based upon the minor scum hunting that occurred in the first half of today. Not to say that that stuff isn't valuable, just that this provides more definitive answers. Even if nobody is satisfied with my explanations and this does go through to a lynch, this point will remain true.
The true Mason reveal was regrettable and once again I do take the blame for that.
I don't like this part of the post. If the aim was for the mason claim to go by quietly in the first place, it would NOT generate discussion and thus this could NOT have been the reason for claiming initially, as this post claims. He indicates that the "masons" (in this case my calling his bullshit) played badly by outing his claim, but if the claim had not been countered than this "gambit" would not have generated any discussion at all. This is POST-hoc reasoning about why the claim was good, which sets my spider senses of: he is fabricating the reasons for claiming afterwards, rather than thinking back to when he claimed and what his reasons for claiming were THEN.
Secondly, he refers to this "wealth of information", but he never makes a case on anybody (except for rehashing my case on prplhz in more words) nor really says anything about his reads based on this wealth of information. It is quite a classical scum tell to make this kind of assertion, where you refer to past actions as if they have greatly benefited town, without actually benefiting town.
In this case, however, it may have been complicated by my coming clean too: if he was planning on using that information to make a case, it got kinda blown away by my outing my fakeclaim too, and he DID flesh out my case on prplhz.
So, is Muso scum? I am not sure at this point. I am quite a bit surer of prplhz and I will do his case next.
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Prplhz What initially made my scumdar ping was this passage:
On November 01 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote: I don't know about this Release thing. Calling people scum on page 1 for a dumb reason is generally not something scum would feel like they had to do. There are plenty of other people around but I don't have time right now. Actually I'm going to be busy for most of this game which will suck because my activity is a clear indicator of my alignment (even if people don't use it because they're lazy *cough* thrawn2112 *cough* kushm4sta *cough* Hopeless1der *cough*).
Right now I'm reading town on Mattchew, Muso and kind of town on Release and kushm4sta. I'll read the thread harder later today. He pre-excuses his lack of activity (although now that he was replaced we can safely assume this was not a ploy, but a simple headsup: it still got my attention at the time, though) and chums up to quite a number of players for no good reason: he indicates that thrown2112, kushm4sta and Hopeless1der should see him as town. He further chums up with Mattchew, Muso and Release by calling them town, when the game is about 12 hours old. I personally didn't have a town read yet on anybody and found this passage decidedly strange.
However, prplhz slipped badly in the claiming ordeal, which I explained earlier and Muso fleshed out in sufficient detail.
Note that this case ONLY works if Muso is in fact town. If Muso is scum, then prplhz has no reason to be so surprised. So the question is what case you think is better on its own. A compounding problem is that prplhz will not be around to explain himself and Promethelax cannot explain it, obviously.
Also, gonna bring in the meta-lynch-all-replacements rule: it is more likely to replace scum in this manner than to replace town. I don't like using moderator actions to hunt scum, but it is something that is a simple truth. Losing a townie to inactivity is not the end of the world. Losing scum in a similar manner is extremely bad for the game.
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About 8 hours left. It seems time to consolidate.
Out of Kush and prplhz, against who the main body of the case is similar, I feel prplhz has shown more dodgy behaviour. At least kush's switch came after the majority of the thread had weighed in and said they weren't Muso's mason partner: prplhz did his 180 (thanks for that reminder in your filter, risk) with only my statistics to persuade him in the meantime.
I don't feel particularly happy pushing for a lynch on someone who has just subbed in, but the worst thing possible is a no-lynch today: we need that flip information.
PS: if the aim is to get information from a lynch, Muso will give info if he flips town (namely, a stronger case against prplhz and kush), whereas prplhz and kush are dudds if they flip town, so that is a point in favour of killing Muso. However, I feel prplhz is FAR more likely to flip scum at this point and killing scum is my goal.
Re-voting for emphasis: ##vote Promethelax
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On November 02 2012 23:12 Zealos wrote: Which apparently we can't get, due to a replacement. That's a bummer:/
I guess the best bet for finding if he is scum is trying to work out whether Muso is telling us the truth or not. Muso, what do you make of prplhz/Prom?
I can answer this one. He wanted to lynch prplhz, but wants to give Promethelax some time to chip in:
On November 02 2012 15:19 Muso wrote:Okay I am beginning to see that Lynch All Liars is the dominant philosophy around here. I am sure many of you are very good players but there must seemingly be some very bad players around this site too, because how else could it possibly ever be a conceivable strategy for scum to claim mason on D1? It would make zero sense to anybody, ever. If you were mason and you knew this, and you knew that I within a 99% chance of certainty was also not a mason, then the conclusion you would draw would be that I was town. If however, the policy is to kill anybody who lies at the expense of all other logic then I get why I would be counter-claimed. That was my thought process going in to the mason claim. I'm not trying to absolve myself of guilt. But do keep in mind that if Acro is telling the truth and is not a mason, then had he not counter-claimed me on a hunch the situation here would be quite different. If there are masons out there, then I guess they did exactly as I predicted they would?? Anyway, enough of that. The post Acro is talking about is this one: Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:34 prplhz wrote: Uhhhh before anybody get ahead of themselves, this is C9++ (although with a twist of wherebugsgo), and it's perfectly possible for two mason pairs to exist. This is quite interesting. This setup is not C9++. However, it is similar enough that prplhz instantly recognizes that it is a modified form of C9++. Implication prplhz is very familiar with C9++. If you're familiar with the setup then you should know that the odds of 2 separate mason teams occurring are astronomically low. In fact in order for it to occur: >> 5/7 of the random numbers between 1-100 generated by the host must be between 86-95. Summary: this is very unlikely. Now combine this with Acro's point on this being prplhz's first reaction and suddenly prplhz's post here looks decidedly odd, and as previously suggested: like somebody who believes there are 2 mason teams because town don't lie, and because neither Muso nor Acro are scum. Earlier (before Acro's cc) prplhz, made this post: Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote: This Muso situation is kind of bad. A mason claim is only worth anything when we also know the other mason but right now there's no reason for him to claim. The only way it can be useful later is if Muso breadcrumbs who his mason buddy is but right now he's going to be watched closely by scum and his posting style looks like he'll have a hard time hiding this. Technically there aren't any rules about encryption in the OP so he could encrypt something and then give his buddy the key but that's just lame and hopefully wherebugsgo will disallow it.
I don't know about this Release thing. Calling people scum on page 1 for a dumb reason is generally not something scum would feel like they had to do. There are plenty of other people around but I don't have time right now. Actually I'm going to be busy for most of this game which will suck because my activity is a clear indicator of my alignment (even if people don't use it because they're lazy *cough* thrawn2112 *cough* kushm4sta *cough* Hopeless1der *cough*).
Right now I'm reading town on Mattchew, Muso and kind of town on Release and kushm4sta. I'll read the thread harder later today.
And we're past the one-liner stage of the game, consolidate unless you absolutely have to ask someone something right now which you probably don't. Nobody wants a huge game with tons of one-liners because it's simply harder and more annoying to read and that favors scum. A few things stick out to me: 1. Suddenly going to be too busy to post much. Where I come from, this often precedes a scum going in to lurker mode. Sign ups were only a couple of days ago. I am sure prplhz thought he could be active in the game when he signed up, but in the space of 48 hrs something's changed. One obvious change is he's received his role card :p. 2. ''Has a lot of interesting reads' so to speak, but won't post them for now because of lack of time. I don't know why this happens, but for some reason scum seem to say it all the time. Make him post them upon his return, or hold him to account for the statement. 3. His observation re: encryption suggests to me that it's something that he looked in to himself. 4. Hating on the one-liners. This is a weak point at best, but one-liners honestly don't bother me, but then I'm town and enjoy reading the day chat. Having played scum a lot in the past I do know the feeling, however when the day chat becomes tedious and you only read it because you have to. After all you've got your own secret night chat that is way more interesting, right? ##Vote: prplhz.
On November 02 2012 21:19 Muso wrote: People getting all fired up here. Let's just keep it chill, guys.
I'm not sure about the whole replacement thing. Host made it pretty clear that he only replaces under exceptional circumstances, which I took to mean people's relatives dying, etc. That would suggest that there was probably a fairly legitimate reason for a number of the points I read as scum tells.
So I'm not sure anymore.
##unvote
Should at least let the new guy say something.
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On November 02 2012 23:13 kushm4sta wrote: I.voted for muso for this reason: time had gone by and no one claimed as his.partner like I expected to happen.
Claim time again lol. but this claim is not fake. I am anvil vanilla town. My theory is vts do not have character names. The only person I think should claim is if you are a vt and you have a character name.
You need to focus more on behaviour and less on mechanics.
1. Because if you even did a LITTLE bit of thought you would see you're barking up the wrong tree and 2. Because more claims at this point is opposite of what we need.
Let me spell it out for you. Unless you think it is the bluff of the century (and an INCREDIBLY risky one at that), it is completely impossible that Muso and I are both scum.
That leaves: 1. We're both town. This is possible. 2. Muso is town and Acro is scum. This is retarded. Please answer why scum would COUNTERCLAIM a mason claim with no way of knowing it's not legit. 3. Muso is scum and Acro is town. This is possible.
Given Muso's playstyle I am hesitant to say whether it's 1 or 3, but leaning marginally towards Muso being town.
So, how about you look for scum instead of trying to get people to claim, which is starting to look very dodgy.
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On November 02 2012 23:54 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 23:36 drazak wrote: Yeah, I'm getting a bit fed up with Kush asking for everyone to claim everything, that smells a little scummy to me. Kind of not sure if it's just kush being stupid and trolling like usual (yes, I know, I'm omgusing, don't care) or if he's actually got a larger scheme here.
Kush has admited to me a bunch of times that he doesn't thinks before he posts, so I dunno, but he keeps being stupid I think we can chalk it up to stupidity/trolling, if he stops, it was probably a scheme.
I'm not sure what to think about prom, the case against him is ok, but maybe prplhz was distracted and/or confused. Well draz is being wish washy as fuck here. So you felt the need to weigh in on both me and prom, even though you have no idea what to think of either of them? DRAZZAKAnyone I am NOT trolling. I don't see how you would come to that conclusion. I have been focusing on mechanics rather than behavior, though, that is true. I will focus on whatever I need to to find scum honestly. Analyzing behavior and analyzing mechanics are both tools you can and should use. I don't know why anyone would dismiss either. Hypothetically, let's say that all vts have non character names like the ones that have been revealed so far (anvil, kid watching tv). Do you really think the mod would give break up that theme by randomly giving 1 vt a character name?
You realize that 2 is a very shitty sample, right? Especially as one of those sources is currently the lynch candidate, although you give the impression of having exculpated him. Anyway, it doesn't matter, as I am currently not a lynch candidate, because LOGIC exculpates me. So I am done pointing out all the flaws in your reasoning and moving on to completely ignoring you until you stop fixating on names and start deciding which of Muso and Promethelax should be lynched. What is your opinion on the case against prplhz? Want to comment on things that are actually pertinent to the game?
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On November 03 2012 02:53 drazak wrote: Well, I'm just a little bit flustered by all the people making role claims and then going back on them and then claiming other shit, that's not how you play mafia. >.<
I'll have better reads as night cones, with the flip. Really? Please tell me how to play mafia.
I can tell you one way how NOT to play mafia and that is to sit around on your ass waiting for the flip, like you are claiming to do here.
I looked over your filter and I have to agree with the people saying it's bad. It is completely void of any attempt at hunting scum. I don't think you're a good lynch candidate yet and it's time to consolidate (hint, vote Promethelax, his new contribution is not making me lean any other way), but your play so far has been incredibly lackluster.
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On November 03 2012 01:23 Mattchew wrote: Let's go back to killing muso or release... Also acro's fake claim play was really fucking weird.. I have to look back at the timing of it when I'm on a comp a little later Why not Promethelax (mainly based on the case against prplhz)? I don't like lynching Release atm.
Promethelax's play has so far not made any real red flags go off, but then again, I am not really expecting it to. It's easy enough to play townie for a few hours when nothing unexpected is happening.
@whoever it was who said prplhz always reads as scum: firstly, he doesn't. I have gotten decent town reads on him from time to time. Secondly, the main case is that he was playing in a way that implies he had more information than town does. That is one of the clearest scumtells in the book. It's like a giant neon sign that is flashing "LYNCH ME".
Lets kill Promethelax
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On November 03 2012 04:29 Promethelax wrote: Hi Acro, do you really think lynching a replacement who is actually contributing, has reads and is pushing town to provide reads is a good idea? Please explain.
How am I scummier than Draz? Or Muso?
Also: just noticed that you answered a question for Muso. Why in the hell would you soft defend one of you scum reads (which I think he still is although you have said that his flipping green would make Me and Kush look scummier)? YOU are not. Your predecessor was and I am not going to forgive and forget your predecessors actions. He made my scumdar shortcircuit.
I am completely wacked out about Muso, as I said in my earlier post. His claim is extremely strange as both scum and town. Ignoring that play, I am leaning marginally town, so I don't feel like lynching him. I answered the question because it had already been answered and I wanted to move the discussion forward, not backward.
Draz is throwing off waves of uselessness, but it's not directly scummy uselessness, it's just uselessness. If it keeps up, I am all for lynching him, but he hasn't actually blipped my scumdar and if someone can point out how his play is scummy, rather than just bad, I may be onboard.
The point is to find people who have a scum agenda, not bad players.
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On November 03 2012 04:39 Promethelax wrote: 'sup Acro. Care to respond to anything I have said?
Look, I'm town (I don't care if you think so, just run with it for a second) and if you get my lynched and I flip town what will you have gained by having me here? Nothing. You won't even acknowledge me or anything I've said. If, instead you work with me and look into what I have said town might be able to gain something even while mislynching me.
Ignore me if you want to but that is a scum claim.
Okay, lets do this exercise. Lynching Mattchew on D1 is a really really bad move. And yes, this is from someone who really likes lynching Mattchew.
Plus, someone asked if Mattchew always plays so assertive and aggressive, the answer is a very resounding yes.
That doesn't mean I think he's right. I'm kinda null on Release and leaning moderately town on Zealos (which is weird, because Zealos always looks like scum to me).
If we ignore you for the moment, that leaves Draz, Kush and Muso as lynch candidates. Which of those would you want to lynch, and why?
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Compiling my thoughts on Drazak:
On November 01 2012 08:22 drazak wrote: While I think millers claiming early is good, I don't think they need to claim early D1, it gives mafia someone NOT to lynch as the miller doesn't have a useful role, we could have as many as 2 millers, not sure how many mafia there are (don't think it said in the op) but if it's 2 that means they have 9 possible lynch candidates, if there's 4 that's 7 lynch candidates.
Just realized that explanation sucks, but basically what I'm saying is that it gives mafia a TON of information to claim millers so early. This shows Drazak does not understand the basic consequence of claiming miller. Well, either that, or he's scum and wants to be able to claim miller at a later date. That put Drazak into my "noob learning the ropes list".
Gets into a little spat with Release. Usually I rather like that kind of thing, because it gives some good info, but this time I just came up null. Could be town, could be scum. Nothing interesting there.
On November 02 2012 23:17 drazak wrote: I don't see any reason to change my vote, I honestly have no freaking clue why muso did what he did, but there's nothing town about it, if he is town, he's doing a very bad job establishing himself as town.
I hope he isn't town though, a D1 mafia kill would definitely ensure our town victory. Tunneling on Muso: basically he has set his sights on the guy and will not reconsider new evidence. However, it also ties into the earlier thought that Drazak is fairly new to the game and doesn't understand the possibility of the strategy Muso played, if he's town.
On November 03 2012 02:41 drazak wrote: I am actually sick of hearing about this theory, it's about flavor. All of the flavor is probably random, for all me know someone is flavor as a fucking cucumber. this is stupid and not good scum hunting.
This post makes me lean town. It has the feel of someone irritated that someone else, who he has a townread on, is being dense. It doesn't feel like scum trying to gain brownie points by getting the discussion back on track.
On November 03 2012 02:53 drazak wrote: Well, I'm just a little bit flustered by all the people making role claims and then going back on them and then claiming other shit, that's not how you play mafia. >.<
I'll have better reads as night cones, with the flip. Useless post is useless. Not a scumtell to be confused, though.
On November 03 2012 06:07 drazak wrote:Release actually tried to scumhunt, I'm seeing town on him, even though he still wants to vote for me. I don't think he's done anything to cause confusion, and I think he really wants to find a mafia right now, which is what I'm trying to do. Mattchew is also looking town, although I'd like him to be a bit more active, I don't think he'd say that he likes his gut instincts D1 if he didn't believe in them and have somewhat decent evidence, less town than release but definitely a town read. Hope has about the right amount of defensiveness for a townie, he's gone to lurk mode around lynch time which makes me a little nervous, everyone else seems to be here and willing to talk except him. Not sure what he's up to but when he starts posting again I hope he has a good explaination, I'm neutral on him right now. Thrawn has been trying his damnedest to scumhunt for a D1 hunt, not sure what he thinks he might actually accomplish, but he's asking questions like I should be (but I don't because I suck ) and trying to make things happen. I find him distinctly town at the moment. risk.nuke has not a lot to go on in his filter, and every single one of his comments is 1 line and most of them are fluffy. I think this is even worse than my posts have been. I find him 2nd scummiest after muso. Kush is just doing his fucking trolly ass shit. Town meta for him 100% Zealos doesn't vote anyone and isn't happy with Acro or Muso, not sure what to think here, he wants to vote two of my town reads, not sure I like this, but might just not be following that closely.
First real content. It actually aligns fairly well with my own thoughts.
Conclusions: I see some bad play, I see some lazy play. I do NOT see a scum motive. And I was actually looking rather hard, because I don't want to vote Muso and it looks less and less like a Promethelax lynch is happening. The main problem with a scum Drazak is that he has ALL the opportunity in the world to just plain lurk... yet he posts anyway. That seems counterproductive as a scumplayer in his place, with a, supposedly, easy mislynch to phone in.
If you want to switch the vote, I suggest risk.nuke, who really should be playing a LOT better than he is. But I am still on Promethelax. I will do one more brief post on him next.
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On November 03 2012 06:31 mkfuba07 wrote: Ah, I see... That makes sense. Thx kush and drazak.
I'm feeling less and less sure of a drazak lynch since he's returned... And as much as I hate to admit it, kush's flavor theory is swaying me a bit. However, I don't know who I would vote for out of everyone else in the game. I think I'm being too liberal with town reads this game... In any case, it looks like muso is likely going to be lynched with or without me, and drazak is less and less likely to be lynched.
##Unvote ##Vote Muso
Ahhh, yet another wishy-washy D1 vote for fuba... Why not promethelax?
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My main problem with Promethelax can basically be summarized by this post:
On November 03 2012 04:44 Promethelax wrote: nvm: ninjas, ninjas everywhere.
Yeah, you got red vibes off a guy for half of D1 and they are so strong that even though he replaced out you still want to lynch into his slot? That seems unlikely. Maybe you and I see replacements differently but I don't think that they can be held responsible for the actions of their predecessors, especially when there are no actions. Just a few somewhat scummy posts.
It is funny, as I was reading this thread before I replaced in prp was up there on my scum list. Knowing his alignment now helps me narrow the scum field though. Do you disagree that Matt seems scummy for testing the waters with Zealos and pushing lynches on newbies? If so why do you not see those actions as scum or do you read the actions themselves differently than I do? He had a scumread on prplhz. Now he is playing for prplhz and expects everybody else who also had a scumread on prplhz to just plain drop it.
He has the rather difficult task of convincing town that the scumtells of prplhz were erroneous and he is actually town. He is not doing too bad a job and he probably wouldn't have shown up on my radar if that was all I had. However, it is VERY easy to appear townie for a few hours when needed. Especially when it is near the deadline on D1 and you don't give a crap who gets lynched as long as it isn't yourself or your scumbuddy. So while his posting has been decent (even though I don't like his cases or his targets), I feel the earlier play of prplhz far outweighs this recent spat.
So for one last call. Let us lynch Promethelax.
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On November 03 2012 06:34 thrawn2112 wrote: anybody wanna lynch release? several of his posts give the impression that he feels guilty No, we don't. Nor do we want to lynch anybody else who is currently at 0 votes.
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On November 03 2012 06:41 Release wrote: 7 is the magic number so i ask someone who is tentatively voting muso to switch to promethelax. It isn't too hard to understand why. Please don't act braindead. Huh? Why do you want the vote to be easily manipulatable by scum? 8 is a good number. You are pretty much condoning last-minute shenanigans with this bullshit. Two people switch at the last second and claim they were doing what you wanted, but didn't see the other's switch. It's stupid. 8 is fine, 9 is better for consolidation.
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On November 03 2012 06:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:48 Acrofales wrote:On November 03 2012 06:41 Release wrote: 7 is the magic number so i ask someone who is tentatively voting muso to switch to promethelax. It isn't too hard to understand why. Please don't act braindead. Huh? Why do you want the vote to be easily manipulatable by scum? 8 is a good number. You are pretty much condoning last-minute shenanigans with this bullshit. Two people switch at the last second and claim they were doing what you wanted, but didn't see the other's switch. It's stupid. 8 is fine, 9 is better for consolidation. Is that a short answer for "fuck it, lynch Muso"? No. It's a cautionary tale on how to play the game. I still want Prom to die, even if that seems completely unlikely.
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