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I've probably missed something along the line during all of our setup discussion, but this is where I stand now:
I'm going to trust thrawn's claim again. I won't say that I don't think he *could* be lying, but the crumb was good, and I can't point at a post of thrawn's that I find scummy. I'll question it again if risk doesn't flip scum.
The only possible scum are: risk and release
The only possible sk are: risk, release, kush
I still think Release is innocent because of that comment that Prome and I discussed earlier. Prome disagrees with me, but I don't see someone with a "guilty conscious" making the post that Release did. I might be persuadable, but I think Release is town.
At that point, the only person left on my scum list is risk, so ##Vote risk.nuke
That would leave kush as the sk, but we'll get to that when the time comes.
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On November 11 2012 07:30 mkfuba07 wrote:
I still think Release is innocent because of that comment that Prome and I discussed earlier. Prome disagrees with me, but I don't see someone with a "guilty conscious" making the post that Release did. I might be persuadable, but I think Release is town.
What comment is that exactly that makes release look town? I looked through your filter but I cannot find you talking about it.
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yeah i'd like to know as well
@risk your best bet is to make a case on someone that doesn't include setup speculation. or if it does include setup speculation it better be a damning case.
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It's the discussion starting with this post. I think the chances of scum or sk saying that are far less than town.
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On November 11 2012 12:39 mkfuba07 wrote:It's the discussion starting with this post. I think the chances of scum or sk saying that are far less than town.
Smart, but in a scummy way.
As town I wouldn't even think of that, but as scum I definitely would.
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Wait, you think I'm scum?
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On November 11 2012 13:24 mkfuba07 wrote:
Wait, you think I'm scum?
No he thinks that scum would think of not claiming role block like that. So release is scummy.
I am voting for risk nuke btw. He speculated ad nauseum first on prom then on me then on Mkfuba somewhat. He is just flinging shit until something sticks. There is a wealth of information on risk and why he is scummy. Acro was convinced and made a very very strong case on him.
There is also the inescapable fact that he was role blocked and KP is missing. Combine that with Acros case and his attempts to lynch prom then Me and Fuba he looks pretty damningly guilty. I will go in depth on several further things with him after dinner. I am at my parents house for sunday dinner. So can't be online much till later.
##Vote: Risk
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On November 11 2012 13:42 DarthPunk wrote:No he thinks that scum would think of not claiming role block like that. So release is scummy. I am voting for risk nuke btw. He speculated ad nauseum first on prom then on me then on Mkfuba somewhat. He is just flinging shit until something sticks. There is a wealth of information on risk and why he is scummy. Acro was convinced and made a very very strong case on him. There is also the inescapable fact that he was role blocked and KP is missing. Combine that with Acros case and his attempts to lynch prom then Me and Fuba he looks pretty damningly guilty. I will go in depth on several further things with him after dinner. I am at my parents house for sunday dinner. So can't be online much till later. ##Vote: Risk
If you are town, then like myself you are faced with knowing that this game contains 4 confirmed blues and and 2 claimed ones. Do you have any hesitations about the unflipped blue claims, because I sure do.
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On November 11 2012 14:05 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 13:42 DarthPunk wrote:On November 11 2012 13:24 mkfuba07 wrote:
Wait, you think I'm scum? No he thinks that scum would think of not claiming role block like that. So release is scummy. I am voting for risk nuke btw. He speculated ad nauseum first on prom then on me then on Mkfuba somewhat. He is just flinging shit until something sticks. There is a wealth of information on risk and why he is scummy. Acro was convinced and made a very very strong case on him. There is also the inescapable fact that he was role blocked and KP is missing. Combine that with Acros case and his attempts to lynch prom then Me and Fuba he looks pretty damningly guilty. I will go in depth on several further things with him after dinner. I am at my parents house for sunday dinner. So can't be online much till later. ##Vote: Risk If you are town, then like myself you are faced with knowing that this game contains 4 confirmed blues and and 2 claimed ones. Do you have any hesitations about the unflipped blue claims, because I sure do.
What we know of this setup is possible based on the mafia scum wiki. I have never experienced this many blues in a game before And I have had doubts all game long about it. I have mentioned many times that there are too many blues in this game. But that is not actual true. half the blues are just one shot. we only have 3 blue roles with multiple shots.
I have been sceptical of every claim in this game. beginning with the mason fake claims. I actually thought that acro had fakeclaimed due to no breadcrumb and his previous mason claim proving he had no adversity to fake claiming. But it turns out this is not the case.
I think both yourself and Mkfuba could have easily fakeclaimed as scum also. But I don't particularly want to lynch every blue claim in the game. Just because the set-up is not what I am used to, is clearly possible, and it is easy to fakeclaim one shot roles.
I also think speculating on the mafia roleblocker is useless at this point. If a scum roleblocker even exists. There are many explanations for missing roleblocks if there is a roleblocker. And I am not even convinced that their is. I think in a 0T C9++ setup it is very plausible to add an extra goon to balance things. People dispute this.
But I feel an extra goon would be balanced. We have 2 kp a night but have only had 3 kills 3 nights in. Seems balanced to me.
All in all I am not very sure of the set-up at all. So I decided a while ago that I would base my reads on behaviour rather than trying to break the game via speculation on the set-up. I feel that doing that could end up with us lynching consecutive blues.
Regardless of the setup risk was roleblocked and KP was stopped. He was roleblocked because Acro, a confirmed blue was convinced he was scum. He built an extensive and convincing case against risk.
Risk is incredibly scummy and is likely to posess KP. That is why I want to lynch him today.
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##unvote
##vote risk
my reads have no been that bad this game
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You're talking shit. Disregard balance. This is an [N] Normal game. There is no way it would be accepted as a normal game if blues > greens. And you're actually trying to convince people the scum doesn't have a roleblocker. You're the one grabbing for everything to protect your sorry arse, not me. And there is no missing KP if both shot Acrofales.
Promethelax, mkfuba please listen to me. The case against me is too weird. Half the town doesn't give a crap what I am, they just want to kill me, you must see it.
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On November 11 2012 11:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'd like to know as well
@risk your best bet is to make a case on someone that doesn't include setup speculation. or if it does include setup speculation it better be a damning case.
DarthPunk is damned. Jesus christ I can't for the love of me understand how you can be this reckless with a game that's unlooseable if you just use your head. You can't believe there are 2 Jailors 1 Roleblocker, 1 1-shot Jailor, 1 1-shot Roleblocker, 1 1-shot cop and scum with no roleblocker, you just can't!
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I feel so god damm powerless, not a soul believes me. Dwarf Fortress all over again...
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On November 11 2012 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 11:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'd like to know as well
@risk your best bet is to make a case on someone that doesn't include setup speculation. or if it does include setup speculation it better be a damning case. DarthPunk is damned. Jesus christ I can't for the love of me understand how you can be this reckless with a game that's unlooseable if you just use your head. You can't believe there are 2 Jailors 1 Roleblocker, 1 1-shot Jailor, 1 1-shot Roleblocker, 1 1-shot cop and scum with no roleblocker, you just can't!
It is possible. Look at the wiki page. The no roleblocker theory is not my own. I adopted it from something acro mentioned in passing. That the 0T variation looked too heavily town favoured and that to balance it there may have been an additional goon instead of a power role. Honestly I have no idea what the set up is. I know that you were 'convinced' that prom was scum and then when the speculation you used fell through you were onto the next candidate. Me. Even though it is equally likely that fuba or thrawn are fakeclaiming. Or that none of us are.
you have no factual basis for your suspicions of me. Nor did you have of prom. It seems like you have tunnelled both of us from day one with no merit. It is not new you calling me scum. Even before I claimed it was prom or I.
You haven;t cared about any other lynch but now that you can see endgame in your sights you are here pushing your mislynch.
You are damned risk. Your play early this cycle rid me of any doubt that may have been lingering post Acro's case, roleblock and subsequent missing KP.
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You can't even speak for yourself but you try to pull "Acrofales said" or "Promethelax said" at every turn.
Like how you said that how I came to the realisation that you had to be the final scum was just dirtflinging untill something stuck. Get real, all scumhunting is you investigate possibillitys untill you find something. That I was stressed and worried over my mislynch which could have disastrous concequences for town (clicky) and as such posted alot without first thinking it through is not the same as dirtflinging. It might had been fair to accuse me of that if any of you had actually been here to shut down my ideas before I moved on myself.
The rest of you, If you want to belive we have 6 blues and DP is telling the truth, then you can lynch me becaue you don't desserve to win.
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Thrawn claimed cop in a multi-scum scenario making him a target for the SK, not likely he did that as mafia, I'll bet my life on it. It is not as likely as you fakeclaiming. You're just pulling up every possible scenario that could shield you at the same time that you clearly don't believe them yourself.
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On November 12 2012 00:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Thrawn claimed cop in a multi-scum scenario making him a target for the SK, not likely he did that as mafia, I'll bet my life on it. It is not as likely as you fakeclaiming. You're just pulling up every possible scenario that could shield you at the same time that you clearly don't believe them yourself.
And you think a freaking MEDIC ROLE is not a target for the serial killer?!?!? And thrawn claimed ONE-SHOT cop. How is that more of a target than a freaking jailer.
You are just pulling whatever you can out of your arse to try and lynch the freaking Jailer. Maybe because you don;t want any more people fucking with your night kills? I am the only one who can role block you tonight and once again stop your KP. Of course you are going to try and lynch me.
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If you were really a jailor you would had jailed Acrofales, not promethelax.
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On November 12 2012 00:00 risk.nuke wrote:You can't even speak for yourself but you try to pull "Acrofales said" or "Promethelax said" at every turn. Like how you said that how I came to the realisation that you had to be the final scum was just dirtflinging untill something stuck. Get real, all scumhunting is you investigate possibillitys untill you find something. That I was stressed and worried over my mislynch which could have disastrous concequences for town (clicky) and as such posted alot without first thinking it through is not the same as dirtflinging. It might had been fair to accuse me of that if any of you had actually been here to shut down my ideas before I moved on myself. The rest of you, If you want to belive we have 6 blues and DP is telling the truth, then you can lynch me becaue you don't desserve to win.
I said we MIGHT have 6 blues. I don't know if one of fuba or thrawn is fake claiming. But they both look a hell of a lot less scummier than you right now. I know I am not fake claiming obviously and I can't work out the set up so I am voting for the scummiest player in the game. Which is you. You don't even care who you lynch.
I am voting for my strongest scum read. And all I see is that person trying to manipulate the set-up to get out of the lynch and acting like the most pro town player in the world without any substance to back it up. Not only that but he is trying to get me lynched with a case that could apply equally to every blue in the game that hasn't flipped.
Let me summarise what your play today has consisted of.
Trying to lynch the most pro town player in the game which you were certain was scum
On November 10 2012 21:59 risk.nuke wrote:
I was roleblocked. I'm on the train home. We need to kill prom. Will elaborate when i get home tonight!
On November 11 2012 01:12 risk.nuke wrote:
Addidtional Day 1 Actions.
zealos - jailed - acrofales. (probably)
mafia - roleblocked - promethalex (probably)
Prom can only be SK if he faked the roleblockclaim. Day1. While it's not impossible I find it unlikely.
Now I really feel like shit for my play this game but I'm not any lesser then to know when I've been wrong.
Anyway - explanation: I believed Mattchews words that any scumteam that didn't include one of the veterans would be fairly weak and while most hosts doesn't completely randomise roles those who do usually still have a look over it and see if they deem the teams balanced or they random it again. Thus when I woke up this morning I wanted to lynch promethelax for likely being mafia due to previous suspicions + balance reason and if he wasn't mafia I thought there were a good chance he was SK. All in all a pretty safe bet to get rid of kp.
You were shut down hard and fast at this point. Then you flip onto me with no new information and a nonsensical 'case'
You then say that you have read filters and that I have to be scum
On November 11 2012 02:28 risk.nuke wrote:
Judging from filters release look like mafia. However release can't be mafia for the same reasoning as promethelax.
mkfuba can't be mafia because that would leave unacounted for roleblocks.
Leaving DarthPunk as the final scum. He's buss is going to make it impossible for me to get him lynched instead of me, you would be pants on heads if you did. However lynch him when I'm dead.
kush/release is SK.
However you hadn't even read my claim that many people had asked for. I don't even understand this line of reasoning.
Mkfuba is in the same situation as I am. And yet he is confirmed town and I am scum.
It seems as if you are selective in your reasoning in order to paint me as scum regardless of the amount of back flips or how confusing you come across.
On November 11 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
I still don't get it. Why couldn't I take that sentence and insert dp instead?
"Because darthpunk have been roleblocking at the same time as the scum roleblocker did making him the scum roleblocker an impossible scenario."
Tough question. You gave me something to think about. Okey lets go to step 0. Can they both be telling the truth. That would mean this setup looked like 5-4-3-1 which is impossible, there isn't a setup with this many blues.
You then start proclaiming that there is not a setup with this amount of blues which is patently false.
C9++
DDDD = 2 Doctors + 1-Shot Doctor
BB = Roleblocker + 1-Shot Roleblocker
C = 1-Shot Cop
This setup is a valid c9++ setup. We are using a modified version of this. That is all we know. We have no idea how it was modified. They may be a framers, Their may be an extra goon. There may be a scum roleblocker. I don't know. What I do know is that the claims we have are in line with C9++ and therefore I do not want to go around lynching every blue claim just for claiming blue.
There are other ways in which to find scum. Scum hunting for example. Something which you have done little of. All you have done is tunnelled prom for shit reasons for which I called you out on day one. And then burst into activity when you are set to be lynched.
There is a massive case on you which you have not adequately addressed. All you have done is speculated on the set-up in order to stave off your lynch.
I welcome a case against me that does not include set up speculation. But I feel that I deserve more than your rants that I must be fake claiming when that is clearly untrue. And a simple google search would have told you as much.
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