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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
November 09 2012 21:06 GMT
#1521
@release I don't trust them..its just I'm not 100 sure about risk being scum, so I think its also quite possible the scum is dp or prome.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
November 09 2012 21:12 GMT
#1522
One thing that is REALLY bugging me in Release's filter is that he doesn't just IMMEDIATELY call Kush out for having a bullshit theory.

Putting too much emphasis on it? Sure. Using it to paint people scum. Yes, but he only once calls it outright wrong, and that is rather vague, and hidden in his large case on Kush, which came on D2. About 30 hours after Kush started with his nonsense:
On November 05 2012 05:20 Release wrote:
Kush has been pushing his flavor theory all game.
Wherebugsgo specifically said that the game could not be broken based on this so i don't know why he keeps pushing it. Even though the nightkills and Muso seem to strengthen this theory, I wouldn't believe for a second that the theory will work for every player.



Now... Porky Pig

If I had had that rolename I would've been way up in Kush's face that his theory is wrong, just as Promethelax was. Release wasn't.

Not really sure what to make of this.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 09 2012 21:37 GMT
#1523
On November 10 2012 03:44 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 02:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
There are already 2 confirmed blues and 3 claimed blues. dp has even been hinting that he'll claim something later on. Are we really just thinking it's ok that we have 5-6 blue roles with a unclaimed vig/sk? I'm thinking that one of the people who claimed a roleblocking role might be scum roleblocker.

And townies are fakeclaiming roleblocked. Yay for logic!


?? Notice I said "might be a scum roleblocker." The roleblocks would still be there, nobody would have to fake anything.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
November 09 2012 21:37 GMT
#1524
K, my findings, coz I want to go for a swim and the sun is going down.

I read through Drazak's filter and I cannot find anything much of interest. Maybe someone else has better luck? However, his flip is good for a number of other reasons:

Release cannot be scum
Kush cannot be scum

DP pulled off an excellent bus, or isn't scum.

So, that narrows the list down quite a bit. Namely, to thrawn and risk (Prom was cleared due to N1 and mkfuba's roleblock has not been counterclaimed, so that also seems to work out).

I spent quite a bit of time reading their filters and risk just looks about a 1000 times scummier than thrawn. Thrawn looks a bit like I felt in Bastard Mafia 2: he is having a hard time convincing himself about the scums and therefore he reverts to doubting everybody. It's not good, but it's not scummy.

He has made quite a few incredibly townie posts. So that leaves risk. See the multiple cases on risk already in the thread for explanation of why risk is scum.

Finding the SK
This is a lot harder.

Release doesn't feel like a teamplayer and yesterday's lack of NKs is definitely looking like he could be the SK.
DarthPunk is possible.
Prom cares too much, but outside chance. Once we're done with shooting Risk, Prom needs to be looked at.
mkfuba: cannot be due to no counterclaim.
thrawn: outside chance: VERY risky play to claim cop as an SK and the benefits are minimal.
kush: cares too much. In his own weird way he is really playing as a teamplayer. Plus, him pulling out the flavour theory speaks to him being an actual VT, even if the theory is completely wrong.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
November 09 2012 21:38 GMT
#1525
On November 10 2012 06:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 03:44 Acrofales wrote:
On November 10 2012 02:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
There are already 2 confirmed blues and 3 claimed blues. dp has even been hinting that he'll claim something later on. Are we really just thinking it's ok that we have 5-6 blue roles with a unclaimed vig/sk? I'm thinking that one of the people who claimed a roleblocking role might be scum roleblocker.

And townies are fakeclaiming roleblocked. Yay for logic!


?? Notice I said "might be a scum roleblocker." The roleblocks would still be there, nobody would have to fake anything.

So there's 2 scum roleblockers?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 09 2012 21:46 GMT
#1526
On November 10 2012 06:38 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 06:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 10 2012 03:44 Acrofales wrote:
On November 10 2012 02:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
There are already 2 confirmed blues and 3 claimed blues. dp has even been hinting that he'll claim something later on. Are we really just thinking it's ok that we have 5-6 blue roles with a unclaimed vig/sk? I'm thinking that one of the people who claimed a roleblocking role might be scum roleblocker.

And townies are fakeclaiming roleblocked. Yay for logic!


?? Notice I said "might be a scum roleblocker." The roleblocks would still be there, nobody would have to fake anything.

So there's 2 scum roleblockers?


idk wtf you're talking about or thinking i'm talking about. What I'm saying is that one of the claimed blue roleblocking roles could be a red roleblocking role. If you want it specifically, you and fuba. No townie would have to lie about rb pms or anything.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
November 09 2012 21:49 GMT
#1527
Wtf acro how is my theory completely wrong.... non character vt names have been totally right.

Marvin acme isn't a character
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 09 2012 22:07 GMT
#1528
oh wait I think I see what you're saying. There were 3 claimed rb's the other night but only 2 roleblockers stepped forward, so there's probably a scum roleblocker outside of the people who claimed.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
November 09 2012 22:09 GMT
#1529
Yup.
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 09 2012 22:15 GMT
#1530
Ok, so list of players:

3 Promethalax filter
4 DarthPunk filter
5 Acrofales filter
7 mkfuba07 filter
8 risk.nuke filter
10 kushm4sta filter
11 Release filter

2 people claimed having rb roles and 3 people claimed being rb'd. conclusion = probably a scum roleblocker outside of those players. (waiting on dp's promised claim) The only other solution that explains kush's rb is if he's godfather and for some reason lied about being rb'd. I'd sooner believe that there's a scum rb role because of all the blue ones. So take out those 5 players and I'm left with:

DarthPunk
risk.nuke
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
November 09 2012 22:33 GMT
#1531
DP. You promised something.

Prom: I suspect you or I will die, want to give your reads?

Oh, and in case anybody is still wondering, I'm roleblocking risk for completely obvious reasons.
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
November 09 2012 22:42 GMT
#1532
Where are you DP? :<
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
November 09 2012 22:45 GMT
#1533
I also got back from the pool in plenty of time to have posted my reads now, but it's not as if they were in any way spectacular. If I die, I really don't think town can lose lynching down this list:

risk.nuke
Release
DarthPunk
Thrawn
Kush
Prom
mkfuba

If risk for some crazy reason does not flip red, then Thrawn rockets up to the top.

Also, whatever you do:
Release cannot be scum unless scum has a 4man team OR Kush is SK and fakeclaimed roleblocked.
Kush cannot be scum unless there is a 4man scumteam OR Thrawn is the SK and fakeclaimed a greencheck.


Even if you don't follow my logic for it, it is bulletproof. I have a PhD in that shit.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 09 2012 22:50 GMT
#1534
I agree with that list except DP might be #2, and replace my name with acro, but with him much lower. A lot depends on what dp claims.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
November 09 2012 23:00 GMT
#1535
Also, if there is an SK then it is impossible to have 0 kills tonight (unless there's an unclaimed medic)

If there is 1 kill tonight, then three possibilities:
Scum shot SK
This scenario means that they did not shoot SK yesterday, so one of release, kush and prom is the SK.

Scum killer was RB'd
risk is scum.

Scum and SK doublestacked
Nothing useful to learn from this.

Note that unless there is an unexpected roleblock claim, I could not have roleblocked the SK, because I would be RB'd.

Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
November 09 2012 23:00 GMT
#1536
Last post assumes people didn't derp it up terribly by not sending in night actions.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
November 09 2012 23:07 GMT
#1537
It was also done in a rush, so chance of errors is present. Pretty sure it's right, though. Also F5.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 09 2012 23:09 GMT
#1538
another reason I think risk is scum is because of this post

On November 09 2012 17:55 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 15:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
If I had to guess at an sk? idk, I haven't been thinking about setup stuff. The entire day of roleblocking speculation was extremely boring and I don't care about that part of the thread too much. Sk could probably be anyone I think is town. Once we have a smaller pool of players and more flips I think we'll have an easy job of sorting out what is going on with the night actions. If I had to guess... release maybe? (just because he claimed roleblock, and it would makes sense with how much guilt he's shown all game.) So... mafia if you aren't release, shoot release pls he's the sk i promise

/posting pants

I'll be gone all day. I'd just like to point it out there that most people play bulletproof SK which is why I never considered kush for it. However it would actually make sense for kush to pick investigation immune rather then bulletproof if he is aware of how others regard his play. Anyway I think key to finding the SK will be to look into the rb's night 2 because it's very likely the SK was roleblocked that night.



I made an obviously dumb and jokey post where I ended the post by talking directly to mafia about who could be the sk, and risk responded directly to the statements I had put in there for mafia's benefit
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
November 09 2012 23:13 GMT
#1539
Nice. Score another townie point in my townometer Unfortunately, SKs also score townie points, because it only measures mafia and town
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
November 09 2012 23:16 GMT
#1540
acro why is prome town? or at least point me to where you explain
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
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