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Acrofales
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On November 09 2012 09:12 kushm4sta wrote: @release porky pig is a character name... so far there have been NO vt character names. What is up with that? Marvin Acme Your flavour theory is wrong. Where did I miss him claiming Porky Pig, though? | ||
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Acrofales
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Can there be 4 (or more) players on the mafia team? | ||
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mkfuba07
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DarthPunk
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Release
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Acrofales
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On November 09 2012 09:46 DarthPunk wrote: I urge you all to shut up. Nothing we discuss now can't be discussed later when it won't give scum additional info on which to perfect their kills. so yeah. see ya all later. As if they don't have enough info already. I prefer to have a talkative night. Then again, I'm a talkative guy. Anyway, the only way I can see a 4man scumteam existing is if Bugs changed the very last bracket (0T) to a 4man team (that's the one I thought was a bit underpowered when looking at that site for the first time). Previous setups: Moviestar mafia: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvRGXY4QJLzOdFFmUk13dHBNQUZTUDcwdFRibWtvMVE#gid=0 Speculation: CCVJ3T. One goon on scumside replaced with framer. Emergency mafia: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvRGXY4QJLzOdHNaMVg3RFNvMlE4WV8yTkpHSE12T0E#gid=0 Speculation: CCJRRMT. This is more inline with the number we can expect this game. 3 scum, 1 SK. WoF is lacking spreadsheet and it seems as if Bugs was still perfecting his C9++ version there (didn't have self-aware millers and weird RB rules based on who sent the night action in first). Anyway, what I can puzzle out is: Godfather, 2 Goons. One-shot cop, One-shot vig (all I can find in there) CV5T. According to C9++ the 5T setup has a goon, gf and sk. Apparently bugs changed this. WoF also has the explanation of JK instead of medic: On April 21 2012 19:33 wherebugsgo wrote: I've made a small setup tweak and have changed the doctor possibility to jailor, to reduce the possibility of a follow-the-cop situation. This was a change I overlooked in my haste. Apologies for that. If you have any concerns, particularly balance concerns, about the setup, feel free to PM me. I believe there were 1 or 2 before WoF, but too lazy to check back that far right now. | ||
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kushm4sta
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On November 09 2012 09:37 Acrofales wrote: Marvin Acme Your flavour theory is wrong. Where did I miss him claiming Porky Pig, though? marvin acme is not a character. | ||
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Acrofales
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http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Marvin_Acme You just have a giant lump of confirmation bias allowing you to mold your theory into anything that currently fits your facts. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On November 09 2012 10:24 Acrofales wrote: Disney Wiki begs to differ. He may be minor, but he's still a character. http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Marvin_Acme You just have a giant lump of confirmation bias allowing you to mold your theory into anything that currently fits your facts. He is NOT a cartoon character! He is a person character who only showed up in the movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and the movie is about who killed him. But yeah I'm not basing any reads on just flavor. It's just I can see how marvin acme would fit and porky pig would not. I like your logic though and I admit release is probably sk. btw its really lame how you used flavor from who claimed roger rabbit, Should have been all looney toons related instead of from that gimmick of a movie | ||
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mkfuba07
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Promethelax
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Promethelax
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On November 09 2012 08:16 DarthPunk wrote: FU all. Seriously. I fucking knew it. lol I didn't argue cuz. We da mans. On November 09 2012 08:16 Acrofales wrote: BOOM. Also, Kush is not scum. I'm assuming that you'll follow this up as I go, if not we'll talk about it. On November 09 2012 08:17 thrawn2112 wrote: either there are 2 godfathers (i find that least likely) and kush can be scum or kush might be sk if he was framed and chose investigation reversal neither of those I find too likely. the most of those is that he's sk but if that's true I don't want to lynch him for awhile I know you aren't retarded and that is what worries me most about this post. There is a RB which is unaccounted for and either came from DP or scum (or those are one in the same). Therefore there is no framer. I'm assuming you meant something else by the bolded? On November 09 2012 08:18 Acrofales wrote: Everybody except thrawn and kush knew it. Now we have another full filter of associations to puzzle over. Yummy  Kush not-scum, so give me your SK theories or consider him town. DP pro-busser or not-scum. Everybody else null. By this I assume you mean that everbody is null from this lynch or do you mean null over all? Please clarify. In addition I would like you to restate the reason that Release is not scum. On November 09 2012 08:30 Acrofales wrote: Fairly certain Release isn't scum. There was something wrong with him being scum that I forgot but is in my filter. Release SK is still incredibly likely, though. Risk.nuke final scum. With DarthPunk and Kush cleared from the scumlist, risk is the only one left. Minor outside chance of thrawn. When Release and DarthPunk claim we can see if the blue roles work out to anything believable. Oh I see you later had a RB theory of it. So last scum is not in the me/kush/release crowd. On November 09 2012 08:40 mkfuba07 wrote: Guys, who roleblocked kush? Scum or DP. On November 09 2012 08:54 Acrofales wrote: You people all fail miserably at logic. Or there are 4 scum. That seems way outside the realm of C9++ games, though. While the four scum thing seems really unlikely we do have about a million blues so maybe possible? | ||
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Promethelax
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Promethelax
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On November 09 2012 08:55 Release wrote: I claimed VT. I'll claim VT again. The purpose of the breadcrumb was to see whether i would be role blocked for wanting to vig kush. A side effect is that it drew RB away from other town (i was assuming that if i were RBed, it would be a mafia RB). If you are town and that was your strat you suck. To make sure you got roleblocked you'd have to play totally differently all game long. Note how I played to look blue versus your 'scum trap' in fact claiming porky pig would have done more for this claim than your trap. I just don't see a town motivation for this play. SK though. (okay wild theorizing: he is actually Porky think of what Porky says "thats all folks" sounds like an SK to me, okay I'm done now). On November 09 2012 09:46 DarthPunk wrote: I urge you all to shut up. Nothing we discuss now can't be discussed later when it won't give scum additional info on which to perfect their kills. so yeah. see ya all later. I urge you to participate in the night time we have a number of obvious and strong town players/roles and one of them will be killed tonight so we may as well have the most put into the thread before we go. Good job guys. I'm liking all this though I don't like Risk as much as I was liking him. He likes to have input on things and he hasn't done anything this game. Kush, Release, Thrawn and Risk are the only ones not looking like good townies now. I'm out for a while. Back later tonight. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On November 09 2012 11:03 Promethelax wrote: If you are town and that was your strat you suck. To make sure you got roleblocked you'd have to play totally differently all game long. Note how I played to look blue versus your 'scum trap' in fact claiming porky pig would have done more for this claim than your trap. I just don't see a town motivation for this play. SK though. (okay wild theorizing: he is actually Porky think of what Porky says "thats all folks" sounds like an SK to me, okay I'm done now). I urge you to participate in the night time we have a number of obvious and strong town players/roles and one of them will be killed tonight so we may as well have the most put into the thread before we go. Good job guys. I'm liking all this though I don't like Risk as much as I was liking him. He likes to have input on things and he hasn't done anything this game. Kush, Release, Thrawn and Risk are the only ones not looking like good townies now. I'm out for a while. Back later tonight. I am going to participate. I am here reading the thread. I have a lot to say after nights actions are locked. I think that hour in which we can talk freely whilst nigh kills cannot be altered is really strong for town and I plan on using that advantage. There is no reason not to use solely that time period IMO. It is optimal play. You may disagree, as may acro. That is your prerogative. We can talk about it in the post game. | ||
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Acrofales
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On November 09 2012 10:52 Promethelax wrote: By this I assume you mean that everbody is null from this lynch or do you mean null over all? Please clarify. In addition I would like you to restate the reason that Release is not scum. Just based on this lynch. Still have plenty to say about other people based on other stuff. If you feel talkative, mind looking at Drazak's filter. Does that last case feel like him distancing himself from risk, or a desperate attempt to get out of a lynch to you? | ||
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thrawn2112
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- Thread presence - I know this is a subjective thing to say, but I think it can be agreed by everyone that risk.nuke has had the least impact on the game out of all the remaining players. I had to go into his filter just to remember what reads he's been pushing this game. The answer? Not many. The biggest push he's made was for prom early D2, and it was during a time when the prom bandwagon still had wheels. He hasn't been a player who has seemed willing to throw himself out and get things moving. The loudest things he's done was arguing about no-lynches. - Voting history - His first vote was for release. He gave no thoughts about release at all. When asked for clarification he said he was doing some kind of pressure voting. (wanting to find out who's talk/who's not) Then Acro comes in with the mason claim, and risk changes his vote to muso without giving an explanation. His opening D2 vote was for prom. Prom is unflipped and everything but I don't like how the strongest case risk has made came at a time when prom was already a leading bandwagon. (source) His vote ends up being on hopeless. Is it a bus? Hard to say for sure because he says such little about hopeless leading up to the lynch (however that is somewhat telling) Before the hopeless wagon risk lists some people he could lynch and none of those lists include hopeless. So there's not really evidence of a bus, but there's not evidence of a townie vote either. D3 he votes for drazak, no explanations given. - Other things - I don't like this post. My impression of him so far this game is that he's sarcastic, he gets mad, and in general is a negative nancy. That post felt distinctly off from the rest of his posts, and like acro pointed out the hopeless lynch wasn't really a lurker lynch. - Summary - When I look at risk's filter, I see the same thing over and over... he'll make comments about mundane stuff such as setup speculation, and lynch vs no-lynch, but he doesn't give his opinions on the going-ons of the thread. A lot of his filler is defensiveness and explanations for his actions, without many real actions. I'm leaning risk/release for D4. | ||
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thrawn2112
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