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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
don't know what if anything distinguishes between blues and reds. Vts are clearly non characters. except... Prome you forgot a very imprortant claim. Acro as vt Jessica rabbit. However I think he is lying about being a vt. He probably really is a mason. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'll be back after going to vote to post the nightpost. P.S. if you're in the U.S. and can vote, go do so! | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
And SK, scum is probably going to kill you. Should probably kill them. It's for the best. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18412 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Kush, Acro didn't claim vt, just his Name, though you are right I should have remembered to put him on the list. Acro, I wasn't saying that particular thought of Risk's made his mindset seem townie. There have been a number of occasions when he has said essentially exactly what I wanted to say. This was one of those times. My last post will be in about 1.5 hours. I think my reads are pretty clear and since that is before the action deadline I don't want to just give scum a big list of exactly what they want to know. I want input on this though, is it more beneficial to town for me to give my full list of reads before the action deadline or to not post them at all unless I survive until d3. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On November 07 2012 03:22 Acrofales wrote: Okay... Release. We have established that you don't like my style of writing cases. Is there anything that you actually find scummy, rather than unlikeable? As for the dichotomy, it entirely 100% covers all cases. I just posted the 4 possible situations (discounting SK, who for all intents and purposes has the same information as town at that point). If you feel the conclusions I draw from one of them is wrong (namely, as you indicate, that I am scum and was pulling the bluff of the century), you are free to say so. You're wrong, btw. Now a bit more about the cases. I'm not going to claim my case on Hopeless1der was terribly strong. At the time I wasn't actually planning on voting with it. It was more an update of my findings, because earlier I had listed Hopeless1der as reading townie and I found that I no longer did so. It was more a case to gather feedback and spark discussion than a "lets lynch Hopeless" case at the time. However, as time went on I found Prom looking slightly less scummy. My entire thought process is layed out in the thread: I even wanted to no-lynch at one point, because nobody was talking, I was not feeling secure enough about Prom anymore and I thought it was mylo. When people came back and started talking and I learned it wasn't mylo, I figured Prom was back on the table. However, the longer the discussion with Prom (and the other people active at the time) went, the less I felt a Prom lynch. My only alternative at that time was Hopeless1der, whose defense I was not particularly happy with (I could explain it post-hoc, but what's the point, he flipped scum). Why were you off the table at the time? 1. Your case on Kush, with connections and all that jazz. It seemed too farfetched to be some crazyness made up by scum. 2. The main point of my case on you was based on a misunderstanding. 3. Your defense seemed adequate at the time. I presume that explains my thought process enough? You still haven't really said what you think of Drazak. You agree that he needs to be killed asap? About the nonconclusive case about Muso? That was just putting your thoughts out too? The "not strong" is partly my point about your cases: You don't hold yourself particularly accountable to them. Compare youself to risk: He's extremely terse but every post at least has something fairly concrete about it. Your posts are pretty much the opposite (except for the case against me) which brings me to: the case against me: The main point about the case against me is that you made a definitive Release is scum with no "maybe a townie too." Your other posts do not have the same conclusiveness. I don't feel that he needs to be killed asap. However, he still has not given any reasoning for his posts. If he posts nothing before the resolution period (he might be busy, and boy does he not like kills based on irl stuff getting in the way), then he needs to be killed. So essentially, i'm fine with a Drazak kill that gets sent in 1 minute before the deadline (given he doesnt post...) | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 07 2012 05:44 Release wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 07 2012 03:22 Acrofales wrote: Okay... Release. We have established that you don't like my style of writing cases. Is there anything that you actually find scummy, rather than unlikeable? As for the dichotomy, it entirely 100% covers all cases. I just posted the 4 possible situations (discounting SK, who for all intents and purposes has the same information as town at that point). If you feel the conclusions I draw from one of them is wrong (namely, as you indicate, that I am scum and was pulling the bluff of the century), you are free to say so. You're wrong, btw. Now a bit more about the cases. I'm not going to claim my case on Hopeless1der was terribly strong. At the time I wasn't actually planning on voting with it. It was more an update of my findings, because earlier I had listed Hopeless1der as reading townie and I found that I no longer did so. It was more a case to gather feedback and spark discussion than a "lets lynch Hopeless" case at the time. However, as time went on I found Prom looking slightly less scummy. My entire thought process is layed out in the thread: I even wanted to no-lynch at one point, because nobody was talking, I was not feeling secure enough about Prom anymore and I thought it was mylo. When people came back and started talking and I learned it wasn't mylo, I figured Prom was back on the table. However, the longer the discussion with Prom (and the other people active at the time) went, the less I felt a Prom lynch. My only alternative at that time was Hopeless1der, whose defense I was not particularly happy with (I could explain it post-hoc, but what's the point, he flipped scum). Why were you off the table at the time? 1. Your case on Kush, with connections and all that jazz. It seemed too farfetched to be some crazyness made up by scum. 2. The main point of my case on you was based on a misunderstanding. 3. Your defense seemed adequate at the time. I presume that explains my thought process enough? You still haven't really said what you think of Drazak. You agree that he needs to be killed asap? About the nonconclusive case about Muso? That was just putting your thoughts out too? The "not strong" is partly my point about your cases: You don't hold yourself particularly accountable to them. Compare youself to risk: He's extremely terse but every post at least has something fairly concrete about it. Your posts are pretty much the opposite (except for the case against me) which brings me to: the case against me: The main point about the case against me is that you made a definitive Release is scum with no "maybe a townie too." Your other posts do not have the same conclusiveness. I don't feel that he needs to be killed asap. However, he still has not given any reasoning for his posts. If he posts nothing before the resolution period (he might be busy, and boy does he not like kills based on irl stuff getting in the way), then he needs to be killed. So essentially, i'm fine with a Drazak kill that gets sent in 1 minute before the deadline (given he doesnt post...) So you believe him? Please state this, or the opposite, explicitly. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18412 Posts
On November 07 2012 05:19 Promethelax wrote: Already sent in my absentee ballot. Don't you worry. Kush, Acro didn't claim vt, just his Name, though you are right I should have remembered to put him on the list. Acro, I wasn't saying that particular thought of Risk's made his mindset seem townie. There have been a number of occasions when he has said essentially exactly what I wanted to say. This was one of those times. My last post will be in about 1.5 hours. I think my reads are pretty clear and since that is before the action deadline I don't want to just give scum a big list of exactly what they want to know. I want input on this though, is it more beneficial to town for me to give my full list of reads before the action deadline or to not post them at all unless I survive until d3. I am generally in favour of posting, even if it runs the risk of changing scum actions. Don't out blues or anything stupid like that, but your scumreads and townreads are good to have. Of course, the best time is after the action deadline. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18412 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Sadly irl prevents me from posting in action resolution period. Though I'll do my best to post as late as possible. Obviously not outing the blues that I know. No worries. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Release
United States4397 Posts
Had i been there, i would probably have voted for Hopeless when he came back to the thread and didn't defend himself. However, i would have switched to promethelax after a lynch against Hope was secured. It's just how i roll. My top three scum right now are: Prome, Acro, and Kush. However, Drazak will shoot to the top if he does not provide a tenable response before the deadline. My reaction to the lynch: Got a scum so we live for another day. That's good. Hope had been pretty silent all game and he seemed to have planned some scumslips (in hindsight ofc). It seems like he was bussed by Acro (to me, although no one seems to share that view). On November 06 2012 07:47 Hopeless1der wrote: I think I explained that post, and why I don't think your scum right now. Scumreads: Acro for making a billion cases and finally getting one to stick. Draz for being useless and OMGUS'ing everyone. I don't have a third right now. + Show Spoiler + Just because he is scum is not a reason for us to want to ignore everything he says: at the time he was certainly going to die and he should be thinking that his words would be considered with disdain at best (aka not considered seriously). Not to say that this is entirely trustworthy, but Hope makes this case work and Acro get's off free as an impossible scum. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On November 07 2012 05:51 Acrofales wrote: So Release, do you think Drazak is scum? Or what the hell is your opinion on him? Why must the kill be sent in 1 minute before the deadline. The mind boggles. I think the last minute switch is fine. But that he has no reason for his own actions is not. If he can give us his reasons for why he did what he did, I'd be OK with keeping him alive. However, if he doesn't then he is just bullshitting us and we should kill him. This sounds wishy-washy as fawk but this is how i think. Here for another 1-2 minutes and be back later. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On November 07 2012 05:47 Promethelax wrote: So you believe him? Please state this, or the opposite, explicitly. If he posts something before deadline, I'll believe him. Otherwise, not. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Scum: Draz (duh) Scummy: Kush Fuba (looks likely for SK but I think I know what he is doing so take this with a grain of salt). Release (the way he explains his play is pretty unacceptable but I don't know his meta so I'll have to do some investigations) Not as scummy as they once were DP Acro (my gut read is still scum and there are good reasons for it, release has made the worst case on it ever though. Acro still needs to be looked at in lylo but if he wants to play this way as either scum or town I'm happy to keep him around for a while; if he is scum I'll have to hope that those townies around in lylo remember this because there is 0 chance I'll be there). town reads+ Show Spoiler + lol no Blue reads + Show Spoiler + probably Draz, scum you should shoot him | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18412 Posts
On November 07 2012 05:44 Release wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 07 2012 03:22 Acrofales wrote: Okay... Release. We have established that you don't like my style of writing cases. Is there anything that you actually find scummy, rather than unlikeable? As for the dichotomy, it entirely 100% covers all cases. I just posted the 4 possible situations (discounting SK, who for all intents and purposes has the same information as town at that point). If you feel the conclusions I draw from one of them is wrong (namely, as you indicate, that I am scum and was pulling the bluff of the century), you are free to say so. You're wrong, btw. Now a bit more about the cases. I'm not going to claim my case on Hopeless1der was terribly strong. At the time I wasn't actually planning on voting with it. It was more an update of my findings, because earlier I had listed Hopeless1der as reading townie and I found that I no longer did so. It was more a case to gather feedback and spark discussion than a "lets lynch Hopeless" case at the time. However, as time went on I found Prom looking slightly less scummy. My entire thought process is layed out in the thread: I even wanted to no-lynch at one point, because nobody was talking, I was not feeling secure enough about Prom anymore and I thought it was mylo. When people came back and started talking and I learned it wasn't mylo, I figured Prom was back on the table. However, the longer the discussion with Prom (and the other people active at the time) went, the less I felt a Prom lynch. My only alternative at that time was Hopeless1der, whose defense I was not particularly happy with (I could explain it post-hoc, but what's the point, he flipped scum). Why were you off the table at the time? 1. Your case on Kush, with connections and all that jazz. It seemed too farfetched to be some crazyness made up by scum. 2. The main point of my case on you was based on a misunderstanding. 3. Your defense seemed adequate at the time. I presume that explains my thought process enough? You still haven't really said what you think of Drazak. You agree that he needs to be killed asap? About the nonconclusive case about Muso? That was just putting your thoughts out too? The "not strong" is partly my point about your cases: You don't hold yourself particularly accountable to them. Compare youself to risk: He's extremely terse but every post at least has something fairly concrete about it. Your posts are pretty much the opposite (except for the case against me) which brings me to: the case against me: The main point about the case against me is that you made a definitive Release is scum with no "maybe a townie too." Your other posts do not have the same conclusiveness. I don't feel that he needs to be killed asap. However, he still has not given any reasoning for his posts. If he posts nothing before the resolution period (he might be busy, and boy does he not like kills based on irl stuff getting in the way), then he needs to be killed. So essentially, i'm fine with a Drazak kill that gets sent in 1 minute before the deadline (given he doesnt post...) I am perfectly accountable for my cases. I read prplhz as scummy scum. I tunneled Prom for 1 1/2 cycles over it, reading him over and over. When I finally laid off and read you, I thought I found something that trumped everything so far. It was wrong, but I was absolutely running with it until I realized it didn't jibe with the actual votecount at the end of the day, which made me look at timestamps. That kicked the trump card out from underneath the case, but at the time I was 100% convinced by it. The Muso case: I said at the time that I had a slight TOWN read on him based on the whole ordeal, but my town read wasn't strong enough. It was also not so much a case as a summary of my thoughts. When I make a case I am 100% convinced and don't bullshit around with a "case for town". Those posts are to gather responses and allow me to make up my mind. Cases happen when I HAVE made up my mind (there's one coming in the nightpost, don't worry your pretty little head too much). I still can't make much sense of the last paragraph, so ignoring it. A nightpost is incoming (it is written already). On November 07 2012 05:57 Release wrote: I wasn't there at the voting deadline because I was at school. Had i been there, i would probably have voted for Hopeless when he came back to the thread and didn't defend himself. However, i would have switched to promethelax after a lynch against Hope was secured. It's just how i roll. My top three scum right now are: Prome, Acro, and Kush. However, Drazak will shoot to the top if he does not provide a tenable response before the deadline. My reaction to the lynch: Got a scum so we live for another day. That's good. Hope had been pretty silent all game and he seemed to have planned some scumslips (in hindsight ofc). It seems like he was bussed by Acro (to me, although no one seems to share that view). + Show Spoiler + Just because he is scum is not a reason for us to want to ignore everything he says: at the time he was certainly going to die and he should be thinking that his words would be considered with disdain at best (aka not considered seriously). Not to say that this is entirely trustworthy, but Hope makes this case work and Acro get's off free as an impossible scum. Here, I'll help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ockham's_razor Question: why does Drazerk have to post before the daypost? Does it make any difference whether he posts today or tomorrow? If he dies we see his flip anyway, so that can't be it. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18412 Posts
On November 07 2012 06:29 drazak wrote: I'm sorry guys, I just got really frustrated with you guys, I'm town, yes I flip flopped my vote around, but there's no possibly scum motive there, it's just town who didn't want a mislynch. I've been honest with you the whole time. get off my fucking back please. How did you think voting Prom was going to result in anything other than a no-lynch? | ||
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