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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
On November 03 2012 11:49 Mattchew wrote: But fuck you didn't take the easy scum way out by saying "I didn't vote to lynch him though herp derp" bah why you gotta score townie points and fuck up my tunnel vision You have anything to say about someone else in this game? Can you update your case against Release now that we are more than 3 hours into the game? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
On November 03 2012 19:48 Promethelax wrote: This is a huge town tell on Kush. These were the thoughts I had as well but had not yet expressed due to the awful timing of that TL drop. Sorry I have been gone so long, work is a thing I have to do. I don't know of any way for mafia to know someone's role at that point. Kush. My name doesn't fit the theme you are looking at. How does that affect your read? I would also point to Acro giving out the idea that Kush and I would look scummy if Muso flipped town. Setting up the next mislynch. Figured I'd answer you two as a 2-for-1. You are both idiots for thinking Muso flipping green makes me look scummy. I don't think I am "confirmed town", because you can wifom a scum motive into pretty much anything, but you have to admit that Ockham's razor dubs me as pretty damn townie at this point. I was writing up my entire thought process, but I realized I don't need to. The reason is that counter-claiming a mason claim as scum is beyond idiotic. And anybody not seeing that I am almost certainly town through these actions is simply tunneling, or scum trying to discredit me. To answer kush's question: there is no way for scum to know the claim is fake, other than the same way I did: the claim felt wrong. However, as scum you have EXTRA information: you know the claimer is town. Anybody who has not played scum (apparently quite a few of you) do not know how much power that gives you: you never have to doubt or second-guess your cases: you know what is true about them already. If you want an example, look at Mattchew's play in Holy Roman Maffia. He bussed all his teammates, because he couldn't see how anybody could overlook some of their "obvious" scumslips. However, it also limits you: you do NOT question a townie claiming mason. Simply doesn't happen. At most a scum would've ticked it as "possible fake claim, maybe SK?" There is absolutely NO reason for scum to counterclaim. None. Anybody trying to wifom this around is simply lacking in knowledge on how scum plays. Yes, you could wifom anything and say "but if people think scum has no reason to counterclaim masons then they DO have a reason to counterclaim masons"... except that in most cases this will result in the scum getting lynched. I KNEW I'd have an uphill battle to not get lynched if Muso's claim was true. It was why I set up the whole encrypted thing beforehand. The flavour theory is retarded. It's all I can say in my defense against that. It is fucking stupid to try to use flavour in Bugs' games, who meticulously sets up the game so flavour CANNOT be used and good old-fashioned analysis must prevail. Keep your mechanic-based analysis to themed games. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 03 2012 06:07 drazak wrote: risk.nuke has not a lot to go on in his filter, and every single one of his comments is 1 line and most of them are fluffy. I think this is even worse than my posts have been. I find him 2nd scummiest after muso. Pardon but what exactly in my filter do you believe is fluff? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
@Acro you actually bring up some good points in your defense. 1 Town has more reason to think the claim is fake because they do not know who mafia is. 2 Bugs games are meticulously put together and they would not have some broken mechanic that overrules scumhunting So for those reasons I'm laying off acro. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On November 02 2012 00:25 risk.nuke wrote: Simply because Acrofales claimed last. Unless other factors interfere it's the logical thing to do, with few exceptions in late game scenarios. On November 02 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote: Nofucking body claims a role and then says lol I was just kidding. On November 03 2012 19:59 risk.nuke wrote: That's just wrong. Replacements doesn't get a clean sheet. Thanks for sharing your mafia aphorisms with us, but it's not really helpful. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 03 2012 23:14 kushm4sta wrote: @risk your entire filter is 1 liners, many of which are just general statements about the game of mafia. Thanks for sharing your mafia aphorisms with us, but it's not really helpful. Thank you for demonstrating once more how you know nothing about mafia. I actually don't have a single post in my filter that doesn't express an opinion. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
All the games I found were town and in none of them did you resort to one liners like this. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On November 03 2012 23:37 risk.nuke wrote: Thank you for demonstrating once more how you know nothing about mafia. I actually don't have a single post in my filter that doesn't express an opinion. And I don't know why you felt the need to omgus me like this. Your filter is entirely one liners.. how the fuck is town supposed to get a good read on with that? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
Risk idk about because this is how he always plays.. Prp I felt off about and its real weird that prp would have a town read on me and then prom would come into the game knowing prp's thoughts and alignment and disregard that I am posting from my phone I have been traveling to friends to get on a comp (I'm in nj with no power) | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Meta: Go ahead! | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
1. Thrawn On November 02 2012 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote: Acro, did you breadcrumb your mason role in your opening post? In that very opening post, you clearly state that you think masons should breadcrumb. This is someone who is really trying to figure out what the hell is going on. This post here is proof that he is attentively reading the thread and making crosslinks back to what people said earlier. Can scum do this? Sure. But it's more likely to be town. I see no reason to suspect thrawn at this point. 2. Mattchew I unfortunately have no real read on Mattchew yet. He is phoning in this game and tunneling on Release, which is something I am not very comfortable with. In general, Mattchew either steps up his game, or gets killed by scum before he can, if he's town. Otherwise we lynch him later. Mattchew lategame is generally easy to read. His reaction to the claim and counterclaim made me lean town, but it's not enough to be conclusive in any way. Specially as Mattchew is a pretty good scum player when he isn't obsessively bussing his teammates. 3. Promethelax Said most of what I have to say about this. Plenty of time D2 to actually analyze his play by his own merit. You refer to your previous games as scum. I don't remember reading any of them. Can you please link? Or at least say what games they were? It'd be good to read how well you actually play scum. 4. DarthPunk Has 0 impact on the game. Could be newbie town or flying-under-the-radar scum. 5. Acrofales 6. Hopeless1der Not a strong townread, but a town read all the same. I found his early game very townie and his behaviour regarding Release was townie. I also liked his response to the mason counterclaim. I know that Muso thought he was scum because he wanted to continue pushing him, but I can understand people wanting to kill him for his dodgy play. 7. mkfuba Not many posts. I liked his early game posting, but particularly around the deadline I get the feeling that the vote switching could very much be a scum trying to look like an indecisive townie, taking advantage of the fact that a townie was going to get lynched regardless of what he did. Of course, he could also be an actual indecisive townie and there's too little info other than that to make a decision either way. 8. risk.nuke This post made alarmbells go off: On November 01 2012 23:44 risk.nuke wrote: He's one of the better lynch candidates in the thread right now. Additionally there is a lot of boiling in the release is mafia cauldron. I want to find out is all talk and who's not. He then behaved townie when I revealed my lie. However, he is really underperforming. He is not sharing reads, pressuring people or doing anything that could be considered townie. He is basically a lurker, which is rather bad for one of the more experienced players in this game. 9. drazak Not much more to say here than I did at the end of D1. He looks like an inexperienced townie. 10. kushm4sta I will just copypaste the earlier case by thrawn: On November 02 2012 21:51 thrawn2112 wrote: fos kush muso/acro His first statement about the double mason claim was this: Then a page or so goes by with people jumping on the vote muso bandwagon, and then here's kush's next post: So he thinks that both claims are legit.... then after people start voting muso he decides to vote muso because of.... what change of opinion? None that I can see, just a disclaimer about waiting for additional claims. Muso/Acro if you guys are both town and believe each other to be town, and you're skeptical of prplhz for beliveing both claims, what do you think about kush's actions? After Acro reveals the encryption.... kush decides to vote Acro? Based on what? He didn't say. He gave no reason for unvoting the first fake claim and votes the next fake claim based on...... nothing. shutting down discussion That is the dumbest logic ever. Kush says that anyone who talks about muso is derailing discussion? wtf. I'd say that kush was the one actually trying to derail discussion. blue hunting he makes several references to flavor names, and he even specifically asks for vt's to step forward and weigh in on if they think "jessica rabbit" or "kid watching tv" fit with the names other vt's were given. It's not the same asking "hey who is blue" but indirectly it would have the same outcome. I would also like to add that On November 03 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote: Ah shit that is a flow claim. The role names are valuable as fuck..don't see why people don't realize that. Carrot sounds good to me. ##unvote this is just drazak being drazak (Sry about double zs before) is a terrible reason to change your mind. It feels like a scum realizing that this townie is not gonna get lynched, so coming up with a "legit" reason to change votes and secure the kill on someone we now know for sure is a townie: Muso. Out of all the votes on Muso, this is the only one that appears really fishy to me. Especially as he felt strongly enough about Drazak to even introduce him as an alternative lynch candidate at the end of the day. 11. Release The early pressure on him and his response made me lean marginally town and that opinion hasn't changed. This post: On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote: Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion. So in the flurry of comment regarding the claiming, we seem to have dismissed the possibility of enacting a Lynch-all-liars policy. The main con i see if we do enact it is that we can't pull use fishing for reactions as freely. The main pro, however, is that people can't claim to be fishing for reactions. Another consequence is that more information is in the thread. Both town and mafia know more about true intentions and can react accordingly. Personally, i am against such a policy because people can very easily say "i changed my mind" and blame/vindication will tend to be imposed base on a town/scum flip. He knows it is extremely dumb to do, because it IS shifting attention off himself. He does this regardless, to push more discussion on D1. It just doesn't feel like a scum move to play like this. His reaction to Muso's claim was weird, but not scummy. I also like that he is participating enough to read Prome's filter and find his own reason to add to the case against him, rather than just going along with one of the bandwagons forming. It does not feel like something scum just trumped up to justify the vote. 12. Zealos The simple fact that he doesn't instantly feel like scum should make me want to colour his name green. However, he does not contribute enough to make me feel like he's actually town. I am actually not very familiar with Zealos' scumplay at all, and he may just be flying under the radar. Needs to step it up and contribute more actively to the game. 13 Dead. So yeah, I feel like I have a pretty good lead on Promethelax and you can call it tunneling all you like, but I am going to keep harping on him until he convinces me he's town, or one of us dies. His scumbuddy is still up in the air. I feel like kush could very well be scum too. His focus on irrelevant details and the dodgy voteswitch really make me lean scum. Other than that, anybody who is black in that list could be scum or an SK too. I am disappointed in risk and Mattchew's lack of activity and was expecting more from Hopeless1der too. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Then I was leading on the Muso lynch arguing for it because it was the only thing to do. What the hell more do you expect from me? Want me to talk about the weather. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Which then makes me want to think about the ideas going around about people who weren't skeptical of the mason claims could be scum. Just off the top of my head, kush and prplhz were the ones who were specifically mentioned, so I'm gonna look through their statements about muso/acro. I also plan on looking for early muso voters who voted him quickly after the acro claim and then kinda dropped off the radar afterwards. One last thing off the top of my head, I've got a alarm bell going off about kush because he seems emotionless this game and that's not like him at all. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Kush, are you scum? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:41 thrawn2112 wrote: sometimes this works Kush, are you scum? no | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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