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On November 02 2012 11:38 Release wrote: ##unvote ##vote: drazak I have my reasons. We still have a majority on Muso. If you have reasons then share them. I am not adverse to a drazak lynch, But you'll have to do better than that to convince anyone and not have your vote be useless. | ||
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I am super hungover and TL went down Whilst I caught up. But I have a few reads. Despite prplz looking scummy to many, It is my policy to judge replacement on their actions and not those of their predecessor. And prome has been very pro town IMO. Obviously I am worried as I heard that in his newbie scum game he looked very pro town also. I am concerned at acro tunnelling prom despite prom looking very townie to me. And the fact that it is based on a few bad posts from prplz irks me. My biggest scum reads from my cursory glance of the thread are Drazak and release. I plan to go into filters and take a look around presently. If anyone has any questions for me or would like my perspective on anything feel free to ask. I currently don't have the grasp on this game that I would usually like so some discussion would be rewarding I feel. OK that's it. Im going do more reading in between LOL games. | ||
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Keeping my promise, I looked through several filters. Promethelax continues to be a strong town read. I know that others disagree with my philosophy on replacements and giving them somewhat of a clean slate. However I feel that if prom keeps posting with the quantity and quality that he has been he should become very easy to read as the game develops even for his doubters. I definitely do not want Prom to die. Townie townie town town IMO. I have a scum read on drazak. He has posted mainly one liners commenting on the by play of proceedings rather than bring any original thought or information to the thread. He has also been consistently wishy-washy in his posting. On November 02 2012 23:36 drazak wrote: Yeah, I'm getting a bit fed up with Kush asking for everyone to claim everything, that smells a little scummy to me. Kind of not sure if it's just kush being stupid and trolling like usual (yes, I know, I'm omgusing, don't care) or if he's actually got a larger scheme here. Kush has admited to me a bunch of times that he doesn't thinks before he posts, so I dunno, but he keeps being stupid I think we can chalk it up to stupidity/trolling, if he stops, it was probably a scheme. I'm not sure what to think about prom, the case against him is ok, but maybe prplhz was distracted and/or confused. Like I was going to go through this post and bold the wishy-washy bits but then I may as well have bolded the entire post. Just read that and find one solid statement. Because I sure as hell can't. But note the part I have bolded and then read drazak's subsequent series of posts which stuck out to me quite starkly. He goes from wishy washy on kush. Saying he could be scummy. Then he posts his role name somewhat aggressively. On November 03 2012 05:53 drazak wrote: Kush, do you even read my posts? Also, trying to write a long post in another window, hold on a bit. I'm a VT, Carrot, btw. After which kush thinks he is town based on his theory with the flavor immediatly after kush unvotes him and declares him to be town. Drazak posts his 'reads' On November 03 2012 06:07 drazak wrote: Release actually tried to scumhunt, I'm seeing town on him, even though he still wants to vote for me. I don't think he's done anything to cause confusion, and I think he really wants to find a mafia right now, which is what I'm trying to do. Mattchew is also looking town, although I'd like him to be a bit more active, I don't think he'd say that he likes his gut instincts D1 if he didn't believe in them and have somewhat decent evidence, less town than release but definitely a town read. Hope has about the right amount of defensiveness for a townie, he's gone to lurk mode around lynch time which makes me a little nervous, everyone else seems to be here and willing to talk except him. Not sure what he's up to but when he starts posting again I hope he has a good explaination, I'm neutral on him right now. Thrawn has been trying his damnedest to scumhunt for a D1 hunt, not sure what he thinks he might actually accomplish, but he's asking questions like I should be (but I don't because I suck  ) and trying to make things happen. I find him distinctly town at the moment.risk.nuke has not a lot to go on in his filter, and every single one of his comments is 1 line and most of them are fluffy. I think this is even worse than my posts have been. I find him 2nd scummiest after muso. Kush is just doing his fucking trolly ass shit. Town meta for him 100% Zealos doesn't vote anyone and isn't happy with Acro or Muso, not sure what to think here, he wants to vote two of my town reads, not sure I like this, but might just not be following that closely. First of all I hate lists such as these. They allow scum to seem to participate without actually doing anything. A few sentences on several players comprise drazak's 'reads' HOWEVER. Note the read on kush. He has gone from scummy and wishy-washy to 100% town meta. IMMEDIATELY after kush declares a town read on drazak. It seems as if Drazaks opinion of someones scumminess is linked to their opinion on draz. Now THAT is scummy to me. Combined with all the wishy-washy posting and fluff one liners. I would certainly like to lynch drazak. I looked into release also. He was really active when he was defending himself and there was a lot of setup speculation/ fake claims etc. and since the muso mislynch he has gone quiet. He could very well be scum for the reasons several people have already mentioned day 1. But I am unsure really. I would like to wait and see on release. Finally. We need to stop with the setup speculation/ flavor theory/ fake claiming etc. In my mind it has made the thread tiresome to keep up with and I think has been a detriment rather than a service. WBG has stated that we cannot break the game through these means so it is astonishing that many seem determined to try. Don't try and play the setup. Scum hunt. Look at the motivation and content of peoples posts and judge them on merit. That is why all you people after prom need to take a step back and actually look at how blatantly townie Prom is. He is scum hunting in a very positive way and could potentially be a great asset to town. If he is scum he will slip up. It is incredibly difficult to take on the kind of play prom has had as scum. If he is town and you lynch him for anothers posts. I think you are lynching towns greatest asset. Now that the craziness of the weekend is behind me I hope to be far more involved and have a greater grasp on the thread than I currently do. | ||
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On November 04 2012 01:35 thrawn2112 wrote: First, my suspicions of kush are much stronger then they were in D1. Scumslip? He says acro is town and then turns around and votes for him and the only reasoning kush seemed to be using was his flavor theory. Of course like I said earlier... sorta hard to tell if scum kush or town kush would be more likely to that... but it sticks out because it was that ONLY reasoning kush had for wanting Acro lynched. Then there was all the possible blue hunting attempts. Course, it’s not explicit blue hunting, but it’s asking for a vt claim when having one really won’t be that useful, and if someone decided to answer they’d be giving scum more information than necessary. One more thing about kush this game is what I think to be a big change in his tone. Previous town kush meta is fairly emotional with occasional joking throughout all of his posts, and I haven’t been seeing that this game. Yeah. I am concerned that kush may have finally altered his meta. But I think we can both agree that he has not played to his scum meta so far this game. Even then, Kush is kush and he is always gonna 'scumslip' and does so as both alignments. As you well know. I wouldn't want him at LYLO however. | ||
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On November 04 2012 02:49 kushm4sta wrote: Prome already said his name does not fit my flavor theory. Prome please claim, since you already admitted to being a vt. If that is a character name I will stfu about flavor theory forever. Also why did you reveal it now and not during d1? ~~ What is the difference between risk town and risk scum? Does anyone know? Same question for mattchew. ~~ 3 people want to lynch me now! Zealos, acro, thrawn. Anyone else? Are there any questions you want me to answer? The cases are quite spread out so it's a little hard to respond to everything. Summary of the case against me: 1 over reliance on flavor theory I have been pretty obsessed with it sorry. 2 blue hunting I just wanted more evidence for my theory. I only ever advocated 1 vt claiming their name. Also I thought mason should claim in the beginning but changed my mind about it. (The reason I actually made the case for mason claiming is I read in Sandroba's filter from a game a long something he said about there being no downside to millers claiming. But I thought he were talking about the role that is actually masons. Then I see someone this game talking about millers claiming and that authoritative opinion is only enforced, so I assume millers claiming is a smart play.) ^ a lot of text about something pretty insignificant. 3 thrawn saying im off my meta Every game I try to improve and play better. I am being less emotional I think it's better play. (and also I've been hurt so many times in the past) 4 my "scumslip" I said "Why is town fake claiming?" 2 people fakeclaimed mason. I doubt both of them are mafia. So I can say with almost a certainty that town is fakeclaiming because at least one of them is town. Wait. You actually thought one of them was town? I thought that question was rhetoric and that it was the justification for your vote? Did you think Muso was town when you voted for him? | ||
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You knew he was town? and still voted for him? If so why? | ||
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On November 04 2012 03:00 kushm4sta wrote: I did not know he was town. I thought it was town. I voted him because I thought there was a better chance for him to flip red than drazak. Him and drazak were the only options. There was also prome, MAYBE but I didn't like the case on prpl. Well That seems reasonable. You should probably clarify that before you declare things like you vote for people you think are town. | ||
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On November 04 2012 08:01 Release wrote: I'm not good at setup based play (hence why i didn't comment directly on mason/miller claiming) so i ask: is this a time for the vig to speak up and show his breadcrumb? yes. | ||
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On November 04 2012 20:49 Promethelax wrote: oh hi, I was wrong. Hey man! Care to theorize on why Matt and Zealos were killed and why Acro and I were RB'd? Well. I don't really know. Matt was fairly inactive. As was Zealos. I think either could have been a vig shot. Maybe not matt. But definitely Zealos. I actually thought release was the vig for a second after that question about claiming and he was asking about zealos being being modkilled. But then he asked if he was modkilled again. Anyway. Zealos was a pretty good vig candidate. So maybe he was vigged or maybe a SK wants to look like he was vigged. Matt could have been a vig target plausibly also. I am guessing blue snipe is the reason behind the mafia kill/s obviously they were successful. But I don't see what could have given it away. I have no Idea about the roleblocks. But there is definitely some town motive for role blocking at least one of you. | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:01 risk.nuke wrote: Acro I think it's safe to assume you were jailed. Why is that? | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:07 Promethelax wrote: I was thinking about this. Zealos was pretty sure about me being scum and Acro being town. He may have tried to Save Acro or RB me. I'm not sure if Matt would use his 1-shot n1 so there is probably at least another Role Blocker still in the game ( I assume scum has one). I was wondering, neither Matt nor Zealos felt all that blue to me and I assume Mafia felt the same way. Which of their reads are most convincing to you? I don't think either of them had particularly strong reads. Matt had a list of names and some generic comments on several people. Meh. I can see matt being killed for being townie I suppose. I didn't really view him as all that townie from what I read. So I suppose that's why I didn't get that. | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:10 Acrofales wrote: You should probably bother to read the thread if you think that that is the reason I am voting for Prom. Oh that's right. You are still tunnelling the same read you had during the first part of day one. That is even more scummy than rampant setup speculation at all costs. | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:22 kushm4sta wrote: you are Marvin acme vt? you didn't say role there. because that looks like a scum name. you aren't hearing my non flavor ideas because I don't have any. Kush. STFU about it. | ||
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