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On October 22 2012 11:28 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 11:16 iamperfection wrote:On October 22 2012 11:11 vaderseven wrote:On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote:
I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy
You now move from my scum category to super scum category.
come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all.
You are grasping at straws. I read the thread on my phone and its day 1 and you think what I have posted the past like hour males me super scum? yes i think refusal to give reads on players is bullshit and its scum behavior. Same goes for you Keirathi. It's super fucking easy to say "that's scum behavior!" But is it? What would you say if you lynched me and I flip town? "Oh, he was playing scummy. He deserved it!"?
i would hold a candle light vigil in your honor if you flipped town.
i think its a moot point to keep hammering this point. you even said yourself its a terrible mindset that has gotten you lynched in the past. also its concerning that you called out for it in gsl I.
On September 07 2012 00:48 Keirathi wrote:
Really marv? You know me better than that.
You question me every game for not taking hard stances day 1. My playstyle hasn't changed and isn't going to. I form opinions slowly and deliberately.
you were scum remember.
Me representing the town i am asking you to change nay begging you to change. If you are scum continue i have no problem pushing a lynch on you at this point. Shape up or die.
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On October 22 2012 22:47 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 11:28 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 11:16 iamperfection wrote:On October 22 2012 11:11 vaderseven wrote:On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote:
I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy
You now move from my scum category to super scum category.
come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all.
You are grasping at straws. I read the thread on my phone and its day 1 and you think what I have posted the past like hour males me super scum? yes i think refusal to give reads on players is bullshit and its scum behavior. Same goes for you Keirathi. It's super fucking easy to say "that's scum behavior!" But is it? What would you say if you lynched me and I flip town? "Oh, he was playing scummy. He deserved it!"? i would hold a candle light vigil in your honor if you flipped town. i think its a moot point to keep hammering this point. you even said yourself its a terrible mindset that has gotten you lynched in the past. also its concerning that you called out for it in gsl I. Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 00:48 Keirathi wrote:
Really marv? You know me better than that.
You question me every game for not taking hard stances day 1. My playstyle hasn't changed and isn't going to. I form opinions slowly and deliberately. you were scum remember. Me representing the town i am asking you to change nay begging you to change. If you are scum continue i have no problem pushing a lynch on you at this point. Shape up or die.
I said it's *ALMOST* gotten me lynched. I've never actually been lynched in any of my games.
And what does me being scum when I said that have to do with anything? It's a pretty accurate assessment of my town play. In fact, in that game, I took a hard stance early as scum, something I've never actually done as town.
Yea, "just change your playstyle!" they said. If it was that easy, I wouldn't be in this predicament would I?
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Keir. There is enough information in the thread to scum hunt with. Heck an entire game was just completed which was the same length as our day one. I don't buy you not having enough info to make reads with. In LC you made a read with far less information than you currently possess on King James as town. The more you have tried to explain around the fact you actually aren't contributing anything the scummier you look. I have gone from not wanting to lynch you to not being adverse to it.
There are a couple of things which cause me to want you around for a bit longer. But the reason for that has absolutely nothing to do with your play I can assure you.
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Catching up now, but wanted to throw something out here. It may be anti-town, but I don't quite think it is.
I want to lynch someone. Maybe I'm bloodthirsty, maybe I agree that it's easier to work with flips, maybe I just want the game to move forward so we can actually play mafia instead of D1 hand-holding or whatever it is we're up to. But I would like to lynch a player, sooner, rather than later. I think there are benefits and drawbacks to both town and scum if we let D1 drag on forever, and probably only drawbacks to hosts. As much as I want to keep swapping votes around and see how quickly blazinghand can give updated votecounts...we're not making the setup work for us. We're just dithering around and doing very little.
So I propose we lynch a player. Right now, the player that I want to lynch is v7, see vote. I will look closer at keirathi and hapa while at work today, and going to look marv over as well. If I want to lynch any of them more than v7, then I'll swap my vote and try to drum up support. But this is getting silly and we're all LETTING it get silly.
I would like others' thoughts on this. I don't think an infinite-length D1 actually helps us, and I don't think it makes everyone invested in the game. Look at how lazy most of the thread is, because there's no pressure to do anything. Don't want to contribute? Okay. Just contribute tomorrow, deadline is infinite, no problems guys. That is TRUE, but it's crap, and it's not useful to us imo.
btw, apart from my normal paranoia, this is one thing that makes me suspicious of marv. I know he doesn't like to play setup games, but I would expect townmarv to be a little more bloodthirsty, be pushing someone a little more, and not be willing to play infinite D1 pattycake.
Am I the only one with this thought? Are people just worried to type it out because "let's lynch someone NOW, instead of later with more information" feels like it might be anti-town?
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On October 22 2012 20:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 13:40 Keirathi wrote:
@DP:
The difference is that you had a well presented, logical, solid case. It was strong enough that it probably could have gotten me lynched, but it would have been over something worth being lynched for. The cases against me this game mostly boil down to "I expect better" or "he could be fucking with his meta", which is lazy scumhunting and a terrible reason to lynch me. Which is why I've spent so much time questioning the people who keep limping in to the case against me. This might be one of the most infuriating things I've ever read in mafia. Douchebag who does ZERO scumhunting calls others lazy scumhunters. Fuck you.
On October 22 2012 20:58 marvellosity wrote:
The case boiled down to its absolute simplest form, if you'd like that, is this:
who benefits from doing jack shit for town? town or scum?
Right.
There's a very simple solution: vote me if you think that I am scum.
And get off your damn high horse. Zero scumhunting? What do you call the questions that I've been asking people? Picking daisies? They all serve a very specific purpose in HUNTING FOR SCUM based on the responses to them. Plenty of people have been fine just limping into the case against me because me and v7 have been the only real topics of discussion, so I've been questioning them to try to get them to explain their rationale more.
Everyone has been fine threatening me with "Change or die!", "Share your reads or die!", etc. Who has actually engaged me and asked me questions aside from "What are your reads?" though? The only person who has seemed genuinely interested in figuring out my alignment was you, and maybe Hapa a bit.
+ Show Spoiler +Anyways I'm dealing with a bunch of IRL shit that came up after I accepted the invite and has me upset. Then the game has me frustrated because I haven't been able to really put a lot of effort into the game. I literally still haven't read back through day 1 because I just haven't had time. I'm sorry town, but I'm doing the best that I can right now.
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I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now.
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On October 23 2012 00:16 austinmcc wrote:
btw, apart from my normal paranoia, this is one thing that makes me suspicious of marv. I know he doesn't like to play setup games, but I would expect townmarv to be a little more bloodthirsty, be pushing someone a little more, and not be willing to play infinite D1 pattycake.
Am I the only one with this thought? Are people just worried to type it out because "let's lynch someone NOW, instead of later with more information" feels like it might be anti-town?
It's actually give me a bit of a town read on him. Townmarv can be pretty indecisive at times, when scummarv usually isn't. For instance, Can't Believe and Dwarf Fortress. In Can't Believe, he waffled around a ton right at the deadline. In Dwarfs, he was all over the place, and had very little to say about his actual scum read vote.
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WEll I for one have tried pushing a lynch on drazak. But noone agreed with me QQ.
As far as I am concerned all we are waiting on is V7 to come and make his promised post. If he doesn't. Or it is unsatisfactory we lynch him. I don't feel like anyone aside from draz and V7 are partciularly inactive or lazy.
Draz is still by far my biggest scum read and t has only strengthened. He was called out for inactivity be several of us if I recall correctly. And the post he made was simply a summary of the thread with no real input of his own. Not really scum hunting. Sheeping. etc.
Very passive. Without taking a stance. Whcih is odd coming from someone who parked a 'pressure' vote on someone for over 24 hours.
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On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now.
And now I don't want to lynch him at all.
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On October 23 2012 00:16 austinmcc wrote:
Catching up now, but wanted to throw something out here. It may be anti-town, but I don't quite think it is.
I want to lynch someone. Maybe I'm bloodthirsty, maybe I agree that it's easier to work with flips, maybe I just want the game to move forward so we can actually play mafia instead of D1 hand-holding or whatever it is we're up to. But I would like to lynch a player, sooner, rather than later. I think there are benefits and drawbacks to both town and scum if we let D1 drag on forever, and probably only drawbacks to hosts. As much as I want to keep swapping votes around and see how quickly blazinghand can give updated votecounts...we're not making the setup work for us. We're just dithering around and doing very little.
So I propose we lynch a player. Right now, the player that I want to lynch is v7, see vote. I will look closer at keirathi and hapa while at work today, and going to look marv over as well. If I want to lynch any of them more than v7, then I'll swap my vote and try to drum up support. But this is getting silly and we're all LETTING it get silly.
I would like others' thoughts on this. I don't think an infinite-length D1 actually helps us, and I don't think it makes everyone invested in the game. Look at how lazy most of the thread is, because there's no pressure to do anything. Don't want to contribute? Okay. Just contribute tomorrow, deadline is infinite, no problems guys. That is TRUE, but it's crap, and it's not useful to us imo.
btw, apart from my normal paranoia, this is one thing that makes me suspicious of marv. I know he doesn't like to play setup games, but I would expect townmarv to be a little more bloodthirsty, be pushing someone a little more, and not be willing to play infinite D1 pattycake.
Am I the only one with this thought? Are people just worried to type it out because "let's lynch someone NOW, instead of later with more information" feels like it might be anti-town?
Agree that infinite length days are not a help to town; on the flip side if there's any day for it to happen, Day 1 is that day, with the lack of a lynch flip and a NK flip (or otherwise).
I can understand you being a bit suspicious of me for it austin; unfortunately I'm not a miracle worker. I can point you to at least a couple of town games where people have said "marv isn't his usual incisive self day 1" - I believe you may have been in at least one of those and maybe you were one of the ones who put forth this view.
The fact is, this game is hard - we have a learning newbie in drazak, we have an often afk vader, we have a Kei with external problems too (I'm sorry to hear it mate). In this environment it's quite hard for me to go "yes! this is what needs to be done! gogogo!". Add to this is the fact I only became thread-active just over a day ago (yes, I know this is down to me, but it's still what it is). Anyway, you can take it or leave it I guess.
Where I stand right now: vader is my top scumread, but I *do* want to hear what he has to say. His appearance in the thread last night hasn't really assuaged my concerns at all, mostly because of the combination of his absolutely indignant posts on being called out and the fact he's referenced playing a fair chunk of mafia games.
Kei, I want you to do your best with what time you have. You're in the position at the moment that I often think of with trolls (NOT saying you are a troll), which is: If everyone played like this, would town be able to function/progress/do anything? The answer to that question is clearly no and that's a problem.
I have a chess match this evening but I will be around for some hours and hopefully people have posted more and we'll be able to make a decision. If it's going to 96 hours, it really is getting too much.
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ninjad by Kei a bit with regards to my paragraphs 2/3 :x
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erm, EBWOP: "I have a chess match this evening but I will be around for some hours AFTERWARDS"
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On October 23 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now. And now I don't want to lynch him at all.
The him here is in reference to v7?
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On October 23 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now. And now I don't want to lynch him at all.
um what are you saying here?
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On October 23 2012 00:57 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now. And now I don't want to lynch him at all. The him here is in reference to v7?
Yep.
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On October 23 2012 01:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 00:57 austinmcc wrote:On October 23 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now. And now I don't want to lynch him at all. The him here is in reference to v7? Yep.
so you don't want to lynch him because zbos wants to lynch him?
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On October 23 2012 01:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now. And now I don't want to lynch him at all. um what are you saying here?
That ZB just doesn't say things like that as town. That is the kind of thing I say as scum.
I already had a bad feeling about ZB because there are a couple of town tells of his that he hasn't conformed to this game. I have played in his last 4 games. And this just doesn't fit with how he deals with 'liabilities' Be it grush or BM or Kush or Shady. I have never EVER seen this argument from him in regards to far worse players in far worse situations.
Town ZB requires MUCH more than that to lynch someone and usually doesn't like lynching 'liabilities' or Lurkers at all. He is MUCH more likely to make an alternative case of his own than to go along with the prevailing sentiment.
Also his play this game has been eerily similar to his scum meta from XXIV. He even admits it. And blames it on activity. But he has still been fairly active. So that is no reason for ZB to be playing to his scum meta.
That is why I don't want to lynch V7 anymore.
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On October 23 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 23 2012 00:57 austinmcc wrote:On October 23 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now. And now I don't want to lynch him at all. The him here is in reference to v7? Yep. so you don't want to lynch him because zbos wants to lynch him?
Give me a minute. God.
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Noting for the record that DP is a very strong town read for me right now. I think I like this train of thought on Z-BosoN. Will add him to the list of people to look at after lunch.
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Whoa lynch me right now? Thanks. Way to bandwagon on a guy whom the main case against is lurking.... AFTER he starts forcing time into posting. Thats legit. I am gonna read filters, take notes on paper, then post my thoughts.
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