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On October 31 2012 23:59 nackhtjogger wrote: Hah, that's rich. It took me about 15 minutes of looking at one of the games from that wiki but there's no way you're that person. Or if you are, then you're not even behaving remotely in the same manner so either way that's a shitty claim. You're still just trolling.Ah what the hell. I don't see any reason to be modest so make that 30 games. here's my wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:UberNinja | ||
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Considering that we had a cop, I'm assuming that there's at least either a Godfather, Framer, or both. I guess that still leaves the possibility of two scum roleblockers and that they just didn't want to risk exposing that many roleblocks during N1. It also makes sense that they would roleblock Dandel in that case to make sure that they really did get the kill on Rad(since a roleblock on either the roleblocker or the person doing the kill would result in a living SK if that was the case). The problem for me now is that two roleblockers can also mean that Dandel is just lying about roleblocking Inig + claiming roleblock and the second roleblocker was the one that blocked Rad, if they even blocked Rad at all. Bah, this fucking sucks, I'm back to feeling like Dandel would be a massive coin flip or lynching Roco. I'll try and see what I feel about Nackh after I sort out what I feel about all this but yea, there you have it. | ||
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On November 01 2012 00:18 nackhtjogger wrote: Uh, what? No, not at all. The game I looked at the person you linked was playing generally like a well behaved town would. Using arguments that made sense without being particularly trolly about it. I just opened 5 random games in the middle of that list and started reading though, but either way that tells me nothing about you because even if you are that person, it just means you're trolling like shit in this thread so the argument is moot. I'm not even gonna bother looking through more games from that thread because quite frankly, I don't want to look through thirty fucking games to find some obscure fucking van gogh reference.Lynching scum with UberNinja is like helping Van Gogh cut off his ear. You know it's going to end with a masterpiece...but you're not quite sure if he's got the right idea as far as getting to that point. - Maestro The scum lynch we had was a beautiful event of nature. The thrill of success was running through our veins before finally exploding out of us with an immense feeling of ecstasy. - Om of the Nom Sound familiar? | ||
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On October 31 2012 23:34 nackhtjogger wrote: Also your last point here is just flat out wrong unless you are accusing a confirmed vigi Rad of lying about his NK target. We know that scum in fact did not roleblock + shot kush N1. Because unless Rad is lying, they shot sylver. I still have no idea why, he was suspecting no one at the time and was actually looking likely to get lynched by town.I don't believe this. You probably were the one to suggest killing Rad "[*]The fact that scum probably wouldn't risk shooting an SK, something they must have suspected if Dandel was town." Scum kills Rad, then scum talks about how scum wouldn't kill Rad starting a setup discussion that i feel obligated to debate to show that I understand it and not loose credibility. I don't understand however why you said that scum wouldn't want to kill the SK. Also Rad could've had an extra bullet or two, role description doesn't specify how many. And on the roleblocking thing: it would make sense for scum to roleblock the kill, to conceal the presence of the roleblocker and kill an SK instantly (if that works like that here) block+shot kills SK right?. If scum blocked Dan tonight they didn't block+shot Rad. Now, either they took the risk and trusted the claim OR .. Dandel is scum roleblocker. They roleblock+shot kushmaster D1 .. hence everything makes sense. The only reason I can think of is what a few people have suggested that scum truly were attempting a blue snipe and succeeded. I'm not sure why they wouldn't kill someone they knew to be town who actually had influence in the game however. This because they must have known sylver was new and town, so suspecting him to be blue over bad townie seems weird. I'll have to think about why they didn't kill someone else that night some more actually. | ||
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On November 01 2012 00:33 nackhtjogger wrote: Oh get over yourself. Just because I know that you are insinuating that Dandel is scum doesn't mean I don't want you to actually clarify what the fuck you are saying.You don't have to try to impress me, I don't respect never giving up.. at all. I respect intelligence and it sickens me when people act dumber than they are. I made myself perfectly clear I just now pointed out that you're already drawing other wrong conclusions as to why Dandel "fits" as scum, so please elaborate and make a proper argument as to why he's scum instead of doing the same useless thing you've done with regards to me and Cheese, accusing us on basically no grounds and then not caring at all any longer other than offhand remarks like "Oh yeah .. I'm such a coward. Is that all you got, scum?" and "Please .. this is child's play. You noobs are only wasting my time. No but seriously, I'm awesome.". | ||
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Both are good enough reasons to lynch you because at this point, with how massively uncooperative you are, I'd rather lose the game on the off chance that lynching you is a mislynch, than let you win as scum. | ||
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Now he's doing the exact same thing with me. He's been outspoken about me being scum, yet for some reason he's alright with painting Dandel as scum even though Dandel was my main lynch candidate. His own argument as for why Dandel is scum doesn't even make sense, as I pointed out here. I think he's deliberately trying to buddy up to people he knows to be town but are going for bad targets in order to get people to trust him. Linking that wiki page just confirms to me that he's trying to convince everyone that he's an amazing player and that we should trust his judgement. | ||
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On November 01 2012 02:37 nackhtjogger wrote: Yet Dandel is scum? He breadcrumbed that he roleblocked kush, a player scum did not expect to survive the night. Sure, if there are two scum roleblockers it's not impossible, yet I'm finding it harder and harder to believe you have even remotely pure intentions for acting the way you have so far.#1 I mixed up Rad's shot with scum's shot. Scum block-shot sylver not kush obviously. Not to mention the notion of two roleblockers is remote at best, the OP even gives a name in the scum roleblocker description(Vega) as opposed to VT and mafia thug where names are not mentioned, supposedly due to there being multiples of those roles but not the others. Yes, I understand that that's setup speculation, but I find it hard to believe regardless. | ||
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On November 01 2012 02:59 nackhtjogger wrote: If debears is SK town is almost guaranteed to lose anyway.I think debears might be SK, would explain a lot like why he's so keen on leading and causing a bit of chaos with his confidence mantra and lurker policy debate shenanigans, so scum doesn't take him out. I'm not voting because I haven't figured out the implications yet. Maybe we do want scum to take out the SK so we don't lynch the roleblocker idk, to be honest. It doesn't look very good either way. I find it interesting how you would come to the conclusion that because he hasn't yet been night killed, he might be SK? If anything, him not getting NK'd either suggests that he's scum or that scum truly thought sylver was blue. N2 getting rid of Rad was something scum definitely wanted since he was by far the most trusted non-scum player in the game. He was definitely the greatest threat to the scum win-con because of that, regardless whether he was SK or vigi. I just never considered the possibility that there'd actually be a guaranteed way to kill a serial killer through roleblock. | ||
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I'm definitely interested in seeing what everyone else thinks about your suspicions against Dandel as right now I'm in the unfortunate situation that if I add all the different possibilities with regards to Dandel together, he could flip either way. So looking at him in a purely probability based sense seems to have gotten me nowhere. I actually feel like your argument about SK fishing makes a lot of sense. However, I think some of the arguments you've made so far to support it are pretty shaky and based on either scummy or too quickly drawn conclusions(like the things I've pointed out across the last few pages), so all in all I'd say your entire case consists of Dandel's two claims definitely not exonerating him(since they could easily have been scum motivated) and that scum would be trying to fish out a potential SK. Am I right in that? | ||
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Even if all three of us are town, that would mean that there's at least one townie left in the game who isn't even trying to participate. Please at least try and participate. I'd say anyone not voting or at the very least typing out their cases well before lynch is making it extremely hard for town to win. | ||
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With that in mind, I thought about what reasons he could have for role claiming. If he's town, the story is pretty straight forward, he's been telling the truth and all we need to know is in his filter. If he's scum however, what could the possible motivations for him to cause a lynch on Djod be? I'm going to assume that a scum Dandel would want to avoid attention if possible so role claiming seems like a risky thing to do. However, having four votes could theoretically cause a scum Dandel to be forced to role claim in order to avoid being lynched himself. Now, the important thing here is obviously who were voting for Dandel. If one or more of the votes against him were scum votes, there was little to no risk that he would be lynched. So in any scenario where Dandel actually was scum and felt the need to role claim to save himself, the votes against him would likely to all have been town votes, or at most a single scum vote. Yes, I realise that would mean I'm arguing for my own towniness, but if it makes you feel better when reading this then just assume that I was the scum in that case. I believe this to be almost guaranteed to be true simply because if Dandel hadn't role claimed, the main culprits of the Djod lynch would likely have been debears, Cheese or Dandel. This means that if none out of debears/cheese are scum, that not only would a scum Dandel not have had to role claim(since Djod was likely to be lynched anyway if two town were voting for him) the blame in such a case would have been shared by two town and Dandel, a very good situation for scum I'd say. So in essence I'd say that Dandel should only be scum if Cheese and/or debears are his scum buddies, because if one or both of them are town, a scum Dandel would likely not have claimed. Seeing as Dandel actually seemed to want to vote for Cheese at one point he's either a good actor, or he's confident enough as scum to bus his scum buddy 15 minutes before lynch(that latter part seems extremely unlikely to me). I've tried to see if there are any flaws with this argument, but I guess I'll just ask outright. Considering you do seem to have a knack for actually analysing stuff with an open mind, at the very least I'd like to hear what you have to say about it nackh. Oh and everyone else too, I'm starting to feel like this is some weird reading of an epic dramatic dialogue at this point. | ||
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On November 01 2012 06:19 nackhtjogger wrote: I don't necessarily see why it's so interesting? Are you saying that Inig thinking Djod is SK supports your reasoning that Dandel is scum? If anything, if putting that sentence in context with your theory that scum are trying to figure out who the SK was, it would then incriminate Inig as thinking about SK? But then Inig would have been also bussing his scum buddy Dandel at that point if your theory is to hold true.Interesting post by Inig, check it out. It has this to say at one point: It makes the dandel scum djo SK theory much more powerful in any case, because they wouldnt know each others roles. The only way right now I see Djo getting of the hook is by claiming What do you think, Al? Or am I misunderstanding what that sentence means? | ||
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