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On October 30 2012 08:00 Rad wrote:
@Djo
We have alsn and nackht thinking cheese is scum. I'm much more interested in a debears case, because you're the only one considering that right now, and if you flip town and we didn't get any good evidence from you on him, I'll be pissed. I think you're overstating just how scummy I find Cheese to be. I basically agree that he has played mostly safe, but also that I'm wondering why him and Dandel would come to such different conclusions unless they had different information. So I don't actually know if Dandel or Cheese is the scum out of those two. Problem is, I've realized that the fact that they have differing conclusions on that matter doesn't really help if we lynch Djod, because they both want him gone(so I can't distinguish one from the other).
In fact, weighing the info gained from Dandel against Djod, I'd probably lynch Dandel, but I don't think we have the luxury of lynching for information at this point. I think we need to just hope to fuck that Djod is scum or that we can figure out wtf is going on if he flips town.
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Well, I'd say that if you flip green, we have some different possibilities.
4v3v1, or 5v3 until day, and then it branches off depending on if Rad is SK or vigi. If Rad is SK, I'm not really sure what the best move is. A supposed Dandel scum role blocker would probably want to role block a potential SK, yet doing so would allow Rad to claim role block and we would lynch the fuck out of Dandel the next day. Not role blocking Rad would then mean that he could(if he wants to) kill a scum, but a scum night kill would mean we have a 100% confirmed SK(unless there's a different SK but then we are well and truly fucked).
So I'm not sure what the best move would be at that point but if Dandel is town he definitely should be trying to role block scum, not Rad, because it's in a supposed SK Rad's best interest to prolong the game. Killing someone he suspects could be town would mean that the next day is 2 town + SK vs 3 scum, something which is impossible to win for either SK or town with plurality lynch(all three scum just vote Rad the minute the day starts and they win).
Now, if Rad is town, we will end up in a 4v3 scenario tomorrow which is lylo. An incredibly hard position to be in, especially if any of either Nackh or Roco is town. If we need their votes it will be extremely difficult to win.
Basically, the only conclusion I can come to is that if Djod flips town, we are almost completely fucked. :/
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Actually, I'd have to evaluate just how scummy I think cheese is. I think a green cheese flip would be an easier lylo than a green djod flip. But on the other hand for me Cheese being scum means that Dandel is probably town.
Actually, that's a good point, Dandel, would you go for a cheese lynch?
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My reasoning is this: If you're scum Dandel I'm fucked either way cause you would be getting what you want regardless. If you're town however, I'm pretty sure Cheese is scum, and I'd actually feel better about a Cheese lynch than a Djod lynch in that case.
Anyone else here right now that can argue with/against?
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I'd really love some input from debears, because Rad is either Vigi/SK and we all know it, so we all know his motivation for wanting someone lynched.
But basically, if you want Cheese lynched, and either Rad or debears is up for it, I'm in. Otherwise I'd say we stick with Djod and hope to fuck that he flips scum.
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On October 30 2012 08:27 Rad wrote:
I'm not following you. Why is a cheese town flip better than a djo town flip? I'm trying to read through cheese's filters atm and keep up with latest happenings, can you sum it up for me? I just mean that if Djod is town, pretty much anyone can be the remaining scum.
Look, I'm still pretty damn sure that we have a good chance of catching scum with Djod, but for some reason I'm now trusting Dandel with choosing a different lynch. To be honest I have no idea why, but it feels like it "fits".
I'll try and see if I can't find out why I feel this way, but I don't think I'll be able to before lynch anyway, so I guess this is moot.
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What I'm saying is, I feel that in this situation, I can trust Dandel because if he's scum, Djod's gonna flip green and in that case, changing the lynch to Cheese wouldn't matter, we'd still lose a green.
But if Dandel isn't scum, I can get behind a different lynch if he wants it. I don't even know why I'm arguing this, cause I have pretty low hopes of Dandel wanting anyone other than Djod lynched, but meh.
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On October 30 2012 08:32 Djodref wrote:
@ Roco
I need your magic ! Please appear and vote Cheese ! Seriously, this made me chuckle. :D There's no way I'm voting Cheese unless Dandel and possibly debears gets behind it so Roco's vote isn't gonna change anything no matter what.
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I'd really like some input from either Rad or debears as to how stupid or not stupid I am with trusting Dandel on a hypothetical Cheese lynch.
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On October 30 2012 08:38 nackhtjogger wrote:
So why is Rad either what he claims to be OR SK? Why can't he be scum? Because if he was scum and the second kill was by a vigilante, he would counter-claim INSTANTLY and even if the second kill was by SK, there's a good chance the SK would claim vigilante down the road in order to get Rad lynched as scum(and get him townie points). Either way claiming a killing role as scum is suicide.
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EBWOP: If there hadn't actually been a second kill however, a scum could theoretically claim Vigi and then say that they will shoot someone that looks scummy that scum actually knows to be town in order to delude town, but that's not a scenario we are in so it hardly matters.
Rest assured that Rad is either SK or Vigi.
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Dandel, I hadn't thought of that actually(you taking all the blame if the flip *is* green). Sorry for putting you in that situation, I honestly didn't consider it. 
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On October 30 2012 08:43 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 08:42 nackhtjogger wrote:On October 30 2012 08:37 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 30 2012 08:32 Alsn wrote:
What I'm saying is, I feel that in this situation, I can trust Dandel because if he's scum, Djod's gonna flip green and in that case, changing the lynch to Cheese wouldn't matter, we'd still lose a green.
But if Dandel isn't scum, I can get behind a different lynch if he wants it. I don't even know why I'm arguing this, cause I have pretty low hopes of Dandel wanting anyone other than Djod lynched, but meh. Like, I hate statements like that. You basically say you're gonna sheep me, and no matter what happens, it's my fault. I switch to Cheese, he flips green? My fault I stay on Djo, he flips green? Let me guess: My fault. A leap of faith, maybe? Cmon. Alsn is not going to vote Djo because it's not in his best interest. Forget him and his reverse psychology. Please explain this. Who are you saying I shouldn't trust? He's saying you shouldn't trust me. I have no idea how he can think that at this point both me and Cheese are scum, but that's what he seems to believe.
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Well, it seems Djod is getting lynched since debears is nowhere to be seen. Although I suppose if all three of us(me, dandel, rad) switched we could still get cheese lynched instead.
Problem is, I don't think we have enough time to make that call. I think the only way we can lynch Cheese, is if we actually believe Djod. Well, do we?
I don't, but I sure as hell hope I'm right about not doing so.
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I love it how conveniently debears skipped out entirely on this part of the game so he wouldn't be held accountable no matter what happened. Even if he's not scum, it makes it fucking annoying to draw any conclusions for his motives.
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Yep, same here Rad. The biggest reason I'm even considering a Cheese lynch is because I'm gonna feel like shit if Djod flips green. I was ---><--- close to writing up a "defense"(soft defense, but still) of Djod earlier but I didn't cause it was too much WIFOM.
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Holy fuck what just happened.
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I'd be up for an Inig lynch, but can we do it?
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That's a scummy as fuck vote, out of fucking nowhere without even talking about it first. Sure, we were discussing it, but fuck.
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I'm gonna try, I'll revote Djod in 2 minutes if you guys don't all vote.
##Unvote
##Vote: Inigmaticalism
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