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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 25 2012 16:15 GMT
#341
As I get Ninja'd, a wild Clarity appears.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 25 2012 16:16 GMT
#342
EBWOP my last post was in response to debear's statement:

2) This is a case built on WIFOM. How in the fuck do you know what scum would or wouldn't do? You can't think like that. Djo did that shit last game to me and it pissed me the fuck off.


Just wanted to point that out as without this, it's not clear why I'm making the statement.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 25 2012 16:18 GMT
#343
On October 26 2012 01:14 debears wrote:

Are you scumhunting us because we are scummy individually, or because you think we are a scumteam?


Individually, but since you were both giving the same extremely odd (IMO) stance on confidence, it made me wonder...
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 25 2012 16:20 GMT
#344
On October 26 2012 01:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
As I get Ninja'd, a wild Clarity appears.


Will be active from now on, just didn't have it in the back of my head to check TL a lot. Now that the game has started I will basically be checking as much as possible.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 16:21 GMT
#345
Ok. But what individually makes us stand out as scum?

I'm going to reread the thread a couple of times tonight and figure this all out.

##Unvote
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 16:21 GMT
#346
EBWOP

##unvote
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 16:21 GMT
#347
On October 26 2012 01:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
@debears

You've used the word confidence an excessive amount of times. When someone mentioned day 1 policy lynches you immediately dismissed the idea. In fact, whenever anyone suggested something you turned it down, pushing your idea of "if you have a read, push it hard"

Policy lynching on day 1 exists for a reason. Lurkers hurt the town, whether they are mafia or town. If no one takes action mafia will win. Town needs to be organized and decisive, yet you are suggesting to basically follow your gut and push hard.
You follow that up by voting for Rad WAAAAAAY too early in the day.

You are advocating chaos.

If something is fishy, or a comment seems off, make a read or ask a question about it, but big bold statements like "be confident guys!!!" don't actually mean anything.

##FoS debears


@Clarity

I don't think that debears is advocating chaos. In my point of view, he is certainly promoting discussion. We could as well being still discussing policy lynches if he wasn't here. And please remind that it's quite easy for mafia to avoid a policy lynch.

By the way, do you believe that we can lynch a scum on D1 ?
What do you think of Inig ?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 25 2012 16:22 GMT
#348
On October 26 2012 01:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 01:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
As I get Ninja'd, a wild Clarity appears.


Will be active from now on, just didn't have it in the back of my head to check TL a lot. Now that the game has started I will basically be checking as much as possible.

Well, I'm sure you have more thoughts than just a FoS on debears for "advocating chaos"

So, how about you present those for now.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 25 2012 16:23 GMT
#349
So many Ninjas in this damn game.
I need to train my speed.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 16:24 GMT
#350
On October 26 2012 01:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
@debears

You've used the word confidence an excessive amount of times. When someone mentioned day 1 policy lynches you immediately dismissed the idea. In fact, whenever anyone suggested something you turned it down, pushing your idea of "if you have a read, push it hard"

Policy lynching on day 1 exists for a reason. Lurkers hurt the town, whether they are mafia or town. If no one takes action mafia will win. Town needs to be organized and decisive, yet you are suggesting to basically follow your gut and push hard.
You follow that up by voting for Rad WAAAAAAY too early in the day.

You are advocating chaos.

If something is fishy, or a comment seems off, make a read or ask a question about it, but big bold statements like "be confident guys!!!" don't actually mean anything.

##FoS debears


Do you see the contradiction in that statment clarity/ You want town to be decisive, yet when I am (by pursuing a scumread) you FOS me for it?

Are you reading the damn thread? The confidence thing isn't my only contribution. Figure it out

Ugh Djo Y u answering questions addressed to me???
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 16:25 GMT
#351
damn u dandel....ninja'd
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 16:27 GMT
#352
@Alsn

Where are you/?????????

Your involvement in this game is drastically different than last.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 16:27 GMT
#353
Guys, please remind that people who are taking strong stances (or weird stances like Roco) stand out. Mafia players usually don't want to stand out. Right now, I'm not very worried about a scum debears or a scum Rad.
I would be more worried about a scum Inig for expample. The kind of players who are in the thread without really participating, if you know what I mean...
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 25 2012 16:28 GMT
#354
On October 26 2012 01:21 debears wrote:
Ok. But what individually makes us stand out as scum?

I'm going to reread the thread a couple of times tonight and figure this all out.

##Unvote


This is some of what I've got from you and/or djo

1. Pushed the confidence theme hard, as if to make it seem like we NEED to have a scum lynch d1 rather than a policy lurker lynch.

2. Acted overconfident as if it was easy to make a scum read on d1 (is it? doesn't seem like it, and that's not due to lack of confidence, it's due to lack of information).

3. Twisted people's statements, either responding with something that had nothing to do with the original statement, or focusing heavily on a particular statement as if to give it more importance than it really should have.

All of these things feel scummy to me.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 16:31 GMT
#355
On October 26 2012 01:24 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 01:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
@debears

You've used the word confidence an excessive amount of times. When someone mentioned day 1 policy lynches you immediately dismissed the idea. In fact, whenever anyone suggested something you turned it down, pushing your idea of "if you have a read, push it hard"

Policy lynching on day 1 exists for a reason. Lurkers hurt the town, whether they are mafia or town. If no one takes action mafia will win. Town needs to be organized and decisive, yet you are suggesting to basically follow your gut and push hard.
You follow that up by voting for Rad WAAAAAAY too early in the day.

You are advocating chaos.

If something is fishy, or a comment seems off, make a read or ask a question about it, but big bold statements like "be confident guys!!!" don't actually mean anything.

##FoS debears


Do you see the contradiction in that statment clarity/ You want town to be decisive, yet when I am (by pursuing a scumread) you FOS me for it?

Are you reading the damn thread? The confidence thing isn't my only contribution. Figure it out

Ugh Djo Y u answering questions addressed to me???


I'm still feeling bad for tunneling until death last game
I even didn't have the balls to state that I had changed my mind about you at the end. As I feel some townie vibes from you in this game, I thought I could at least defend you this one time.

debears <3
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 25 2012 16:36 GMT
#356
On October 26 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 01:24 debears wrote:
On October 26 2012 01:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
@debears

You've used the word confidence an excessive amount of times. When someone mentioned day 1 policy lynches you immediately dismissed the idea. In fact, whenever anyone suggested something you turned it down, pushing your idea of "if you have a read, push it hard"

Policy lynching on day 1 exists for a reason. Lurkers hurt the town, whether they are mafia or town. If no one takes action mafia will win. Town needs to be organized and decisive, yet you are suggesting to basically follow your gut and push hard.
You follow that up by voting for Rad WAAAAAAY too early in the day.

You are advocating chaos.

If something is fishy, or a comment seems off, make a read or ask a question about it, but big bold statements like "be confident guys!!!" don't actually mean anything.

##FoS debears


Do you see the contradiction in that statment clarity/ You want town to be decisive, yet when I am (by pursuing a scumread) you FOS me for it?

Are you reading the damn thread? The confidence thing isn't my only contribution. Figure it out

Ugh Djo Y u answering questions addressed to me???


I'm still feeling bad for tunneling until death last game
I even didn't have the balls to state that I had changed my mind about you at the end. As I feel some townie vibes from you in this game, I thought I could at least defend you this one time.

debears <3


Also debears it's stuff like this (which he's done before in this thread, if I remember correctly) that just make me raise an eyebrow and give thoughts that you're both scum. He's so confident you're town already?! Because you're being super active and aggressive?

Maybe I'm just paranoid but I'm finding it really hard to believe anyone is town so far.

@Djo, you're coming across, to me at least, as very "happy go lucky". Like, you've figured it all out as town last newbie game, and you're back now as town again but 100% more confident and ready to take down scum! Let's do this my friend debears, who is clearly also town!

That's the vibe I'm getting from you and it feels really fake.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 16:36 GMT
#357
@Rad

Ah alright.

One more question.

Are 1,2 and 3 necessarily only mafia motivated? I don't see it.

1) Town - Create an ideal town atmosphere
Mafia - Appear to be a town doing so
2) Town - Try to lead the town by being a figure who knows what he's doing
Mafia - Try to be town doing that
3) Town - Confirmation Bias
Mafia - Mafia Bias???? (lol idk what to call it)

I'm going to reread the thread tonight. I do feel that it my case has confirmation bias at this point. No one has tried to actually break up the argument or put any real input into it. Mafia tend to love letting two townies go at it and not interfering. I'll reconsider my judgment
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 16:37 GMT
#358
EBWOP

In response to this rad

On October 26 2012 01:28 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 01:21 debears wrote:
Ok. But what individually makes us stand out as scum?

I'm going to reread the thread a couple of times tonight and figure this all out.

##Unvote


This is some of what I've got from you and/or djo

1. Pushed the confidence theme hard, as if to make it seem like we NEED to have a scum lynch d1 rather than a policy lurker lynch.

2. Acted overconfident as if it was easy to make a scum read on d1 (is it? doesn't seem like it, and that's not due to lack of confidence, it's due to lack of information).

3. Twisted people's statements, either responding with something that had nothing to do with the original statement, or focusing heavily on a particular statement as if to give it more importance than it really should have.

All of these things feel scummy to me.

Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 25 2012 16:38 GMT
#359
On October 26 2012 01:28 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 01:21 debears wrote:
Ok. But what individually makes us stand out as scum?

I'm going to reread the thread a couple of times tonight and figure this all out.

##Unvote


This is some of what I've got from you and/or djo

1. Pushed the confidence theme hard, as if to make it seem like we NEED to have a scum lynch d1 rather than a policy lurker lynch.

2. Acted overconfident as if it was easy to make a scum read on d1 (is it? doesn't seem like it, and that's not due to lack of confidence, it's due to lack of information).

3. Twisted people's statements, either responding with something that had nothing to do with the original statement, or focusing heavily on a particular statement as if to give it more importance than it really should have.

All of these things feel scummy to me.

I personally find it hard to be convinced by an argument like this, tbh.

It was annoying and all, but it might as easily be a overeager-town-tell as a scum-tell.

In my first game, I tunneled a dude HARD during day1 because he constantly misinterpreted posts wrong and I thought it to be intentional. He ended up being town.
What I learned from it: Stupidity is a null-tell in newbie games. Misinterpretations are a null-tell in newbie games.

Basically how I see things right now: de bear and Djokovic have not yet learned this lesson, so they are overly confident they can nail scum.
It's also why I'm not very confident in finding scum day1.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 16:42 GMT
#360
@Rad

My comments in red in your quoted post.

On October 26 2012 01:28 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 01:21 debears wrote:
Ok. But what individually makes us stand out as scum?

I'm going to reread the thread a couple of times tonight and figure this all out.

##Unvote


This is some of what I've got from you and/or djo

1. Pushed the confidence theme hard, as if to make it seem like we NEED to have a scum lynch d1 rather than a policy lurker lynch.
FUUUUUuuu. You are doing it again. Policy lynching is just an option and it is a bad option in my opinion because mafia can avoid it easily, especially when town decides to apply this strategy from the beginning. Lynching a suspicious player get us more chances to lynch mafia. We should start to scumhunt in order to do so, not throwing FoS at each other for disagreeing over policy.
2. Acted overconfident as if it was easy to make a scum read on d1 (is it? doesn't seem like it, and that's not due to lack of confidence, it's due to lack of information).
I'm not saying it is easy, I'm saying it is totally possible and you should have this mentality rather than the policy lynch solution mentality. Would you like to comment about Inig by the way ?
3. Twisted people's statements, either responding with something that had nothing to do with the original statement, or focusing heavily on a particular statement as if to give it more importance than it really should have.
Please be more specific
All of these things feel scummy to me.

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