EPTIf you think that this a serious scumslip, you are wrong.
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
If you think that this a serious scumslip, you are wrong. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 25 2012 23:06 Djodref wrote: @dandel I've just played a game as a mafia player and the most difficult thing I had to answer to was "why do you think you are not going to be targeted tonight ?" I had a very strong case written against me at one time. But rather than this dead-on case (from mementoss if you want to read our Looney Lynching game), this only simple question has made my whole mentality crumbled. I know everybody is going to say "lol, no, I'm not mafia". But my question is psychological warfare ^^ That's a different situation and a different question.. Most importantly, it's not a question you can just wave off with a "no". It's one that requires an answer with reasoning and logic. It's a decent question to ask. "are u scum" can be answered in a word, non-commitically. I don't think it's a good question. But I'm starting to argue semantics.... | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
The guys I am really interested in atm are Inig, Rad, Roco and the lurkers  | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 25 2012 23:12 Dandel Ion wrote: That's a different situation and a different question.. Most importantly, it's not a question you can just wave off with a "no". It's one that requires an answer with reasoning and logic. It's a decent question to ask. "are u scum" can be answered in a word, non-commitically. I don't think it's a good question. But I'm starting to argue semantics.... @dandel Yeah, it's not exactly the same kind of question but I don't think you can freely wave it off as scum. If you have to lie, it makes you uncomfortable. If you are uncomfortable, you are going to post some shit. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
If you are around, I would like to know what do you think about Inig first posts. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On October 25 2012 22:39 Djodref wrote: @sylver Please answer my question regarding your question "what is your favorite role ?" I really want to understand your motivations for asking such a question. I did? Or did you not find my answer sufficient? | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On October 25 2012 22:42 Djodref wrote: @sylver Would you prefer lynch Ini or Roco today ? If I had to lynch RIGHT NOW (which I Don't) then I would currently lean more towards Roco. He's given what I consider to be questionable advice/strategy, and I consider questionable advice to be anti-town - particularly in a newbie game. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On October 25 2012 16:21 debears wrote: Read the line in red again "I don't understand what's good about having confidence in pushing for a d1 scum lynch instead of lynching a lurker......How in the fuck is that not a scum tell. Why in the hell would a townie say that???????? And Rad, the sentence after has no affect on the scumminess of that statement at all. You just said that you did no see reason in pushing a d1 scum lynch over a lurker. Now, if the following sentence had said "If there is no good candidate for a scum lynch, then we should lynch a lurker", it would make sense...You didn't bring up that scenario. You just said whatever is best for town in that scenario. Well, the best thing for town in that scenario is a scum lynch....duh. Obvious contradiction? Let's think of the benefits of pushing a d1 scum lynch 1) We lynch a scum 2) refer to 1) 3) We scramble the scum team and make them make a decision on who to vote Case coming up on rad My point, which is completely consistent with what I've said time and time again in this thread, and which is clarified in the sentence after the one you bolded red, is that I see no good logical reason to "have confidence" that we'll necessarily find a scum on d1. If we find a scum on d1, wonderful! I think we should definitely try our hardest to, and if you have a good read on someone, naturally you should be confident and follow through. If we don't, and we have no better option, then lynch a lurker. I also totally get pushing newbies to "be more confident" but both you and djo were pushing this confidence theme as if suddenly just being confident will make town get a lynch on d1. This seemed extremely suspicious to me and is why I started asking questions. To summarize: "GO TEAM! BE CONFIDENT!" - I get, though this isn't what you two were talking about at first "Finding a scum d1 will be easy! All you have to do is be confident!" - makes absolutely no sense to me On October 25 2012 10:26 debears wrote: What are you saying here exactly? Policy lynches are by no means a necessity. If we are confident and push reads, like dp did last game, then the scum will show. Why do you lack the confidence of catching scum d1? FOS dandel Oh, that easy is it? AND a FOS just because "he's not confident"? On October 25 2012 12:58 Djodref wrote: I don't think it's going to be difficult to find a scum D1. It's better for us to be confident about this because I think it's quite easy to reveal scum newbies when you put pressure on them. Plus, if you are town and you are not confident, people are going to feel it through your posts and are going to become suspicious about you. We have to be assertive and for this, we have to be confident in our ability to find scum. I know it looks difficult at first but don't forget that scum players are likely to be as inexperienced as you in this game. Oh, that easy is it? Now, the one thing I can't really wrap my head around is if both debears and djo are mafia, why would they be pushing this confidence thing to help save a lurker? Reasons that make sense to me: 1. Maybe that's the plan. 1 of the mafia sit back and lurk (maybe they're new and scared, or some other reason) while debears and djo stay really active. If they can look town enough AND prevent a lurker lynch, perfect! 2. Maybe getting people hyped for a d1 lynch that isn't a lurker is a good strategy? If they can get town to lynch another town, that's even better than a pure lurker, because then on the next day we'll be going "HMM that guy's still lurking, we've got to do something about that." (assuming multiple lurkers, at which point mafia lurker comes out of hiding a bit, or likely at the end of d1 before we start to think about this) Ok, off to respond to debear's "case" against me. I'm going to have to stay fairly inactive throughout the day until tonight though, as per the reasons I stated previously (work work...) | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Moreover, I don't think you can answer this question with zero games or three games on forums which is the case for almost all of us. I had the chance to experience more roles but I think I need to roll them again to be sure. So, to really answer your question, I would say: - My game as cop was fun but I have played the newbie card too much and people didn't take my seriously... - My game as mafia pardoner was fun but it was very stressful when people got suspicious of me and I've felt bad at the end seeing some townies so desperate to be mislynched (I'm serious thrawn  ). Plus I don't think I won because I was particularly brilliant, I think I won because people didn't manage to consider me as a possible scum.My problem with your question is that it is irrelevant in this game and it is possible for you to check the sensibility of the players for roles. I don't believe you would ask such a question (loaded question from your own words) for the only sake of discussing. If you are town, you want to discuss to promote a good atmosphere and mainly scumhunting. Please tell me how such a question helps you to find the mafia players. If it doesn't help to find the mafia, I encourage you to start scumhunting in a more direct way | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I don't care about who hasn't posted right now. I want to know what info you were expecting to get by asking your question. | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
With regards to other policy, what would that be, exactly? I'm all in favour of logical policy lynching. If an argument can be made that town benefits from it I'm all for it(see my thoughts on kush from my first few posts last game if you're interested in an example of why I think so). There's no player in this game that warrants such a lynch though, unless we are talking behavioural policy, but I'm not really familiar with any example of that so I would have to address such policy on a case by case basis. A few things stood out to me when I skimmed through the thread earlier today and I'll be posting some of my comments on what has actually happened so far over the course of the evening. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Are you saying than debears and me are in the scumteam ? Why don't you vote one of us ? Could you explain your slip ? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On October 25 2012 23:18 Djodref wrote: @dandel Yeah, it's not exactly the same kind of question but I don't think you can freely wave it off as scum. If you have to lie, it makes you uncomfortable. If you are uncomfortable, you are going to post some shit. Why did you ask the question? The answer is pretty obvious as town or scum You'd say "I'm town" no matter what. The question was useless and you know it. There is no real reaction that can be read from a question like that. It's not a big lie if the person is mafia by any means. I don't like that. It makes you look like you are contributing without actually doing so | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 26 2012 00:30 debears wrote: @Djo Why did you ask the question? The answer is pretty obvious as town or scum You'd say "I'm town" no matter what. The question was useless and you know it. There is no real reaction that can be read from a question like that. It's not a big lie if the person is mafia by any means. I don't like that. It makes you look like you are contributing without actually doing so He did already explain it... You're beating a dead horse over there. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
The Players
Game start was at: October 25, 9:00AM Server time. Clarity hasn't posted since gamestart. imcasey hasn't posted since gamestart. Oatsmaster hasn't posted since gamestart. Inig has posted a few times. Roco has posted a few times. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 26 2012 00:25 Alsn wrote: All right, here I am again. First things first, Dandel asked me about lurker policy. I think that it's a potent tool in order to pressure scum into participating. Scum slips are nice and all, but if there's no pressure there's less chance of one happening. That being said in general I feel that lurker lynching is at the very best a ~25% chance of catching scum(random chance), policy or no. Generally I've gotten the feeling that lurkers don't lurk for strategic reasons, but because something pulled them away from the game and that's definitely something which can happen to anyone. With regards to other policy, what would that be, exactly? I'm all in favour of logical policy lynching. If an argument can be made that town benefits from it I'm all for it(see my thoughts on kush from my first few posts last game if you're interested in an example of why I think so). There's no player in this game that warrants such a lynch though, unless we are talking behavioural policy, but I'm not really familiar with any example of that so I would have to address such policy on a case by case basis. A few things stood out to me when I skimmed through the thread earlier today and I'll be posting some of my comments on what has actually happened so far over the course of the evening. @Alsn Roco did not raise your attention ? In my opinion, he could be lynched if we respect a no posting nonsense policy. Looking forward your next posts | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On October 26 2012 00:24 Djodref wrote: @sylver I don't care about who hasn't posted right now. I want to know what info you were expecting to get by asking your question. I was making that list because I wasn't even sure myself who/how many people hadn't spoken up. I was trying to stir something up and you can also consider it a kind of "roleclaim-lite" (I hardly expect anyone to claim they enjoy playing scum when I ask ingame, but i think it could have been interesting to see if some people said they like a particular pro-town power-role.) | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 26 2012 00:25 Alsn wrote: All right, here I am again. First things first, Dandel asked me about lurker policy. I think that it's a potent tool in order to pressure scum into participating. Scum slips are nice and all, but if there's no pressure there's less chance of one happening. That being said in general I feel that lurker lynching is at the very best a ~25% chance of catching scum(random chance), policy or no. Generally I've gotten the feeling that lurkers don't lurk for strategic reasons, but because something pulled them away from the game and that's definitely something which can happen to anyone. With regards to other policy, what would that be, exactly? I'm all in favour of logical policy lynching. If an argument can be made that town benefits from it I'm all for it(see my thoughts on kush from my first few posts last game if you're interested in an example of why I think so). There's no player in this game that warrants such a lynch though, unless we are talking behavioural policy, but I'm not really familiar with any example of that so I would have to address such policy on a case by case basis. A few things stood out to me when I skimmed through the thread earlier today and I'll be posting some of my comments on what has actually happened so far over the course of the evening. Lynching liars, lynching trolls, things like that. I don't see any of those in this game so far, so that's good. I just wanted to mention there can be other policies too | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 26 2012 00:35 sylverfyre wrote: I was making that list because I wasn't even sure myself who/how many people hadn't spoken up. I was trying to stir something up and you can also consider it a kind of "roleclaim-lite" (I hardly expect anyone to claim they enjoy playing scum when I ask ingame, but i think it could have been interesting to see if some people said they like a particular pro-town power-role.) So, you admit you were rolefishing? | ||
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