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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 25 2012 13:10 GMT
#281
@ Dandel Ion - you've basically said something anti-policy and pro-policy at the same time. What?

How exactly does opposing Lynch a Lurker policy give off a town read? For me it gives off a 0.1% scum read to oppose a reasonable, but not infallible, Day 1 strategy. And if we get to the end of the day and there are still people who have only made the minimal of posts despite people accusing them (example: Roco if we were close to lynch time), then I think that's a perfectly solid lynch candidate.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 25 2012 13:15 GMT
#282
Let me also be clear: Opposing a policy and opposing the specific instance of a policy being enacted are two entirely different things. Just because I'm not opposed to Lynch a Lurker doesn't mean I think we should invoke it automatically. But if we were closer to lynch time, and Ini and Roco still only had the posts they have... I'd vote for one of them. By not responding adequately to accusations made against you, you give the town very little to work with.

I don't really agree with debears vote on rad, but I think debears is playing an aggressive game, which is clean to me.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 13:24 GMT
#283
Gettng a quick one in before morning classes.

I would like to call attention to Inig

On October 25 2012 17:40 Inigmaticalism wrote:
I personally feel like Rad has explained himself in a decent (although strange) way, and am concerned when it seems like debears is trying to shove a sword through Rads monitor to clear up opinions on policy issues. And as for the scum hunting, you and him have done pretty much the same amount given the few hours the games been running, and more than most everyone else (including me). I say get him to clear up his stances better and then get everyone else to talk, and then come back and see if he follows through on what he says. If Rad can't explain himself, Ill be more willing to actually vote for him.

Also, I found Mr. Cheesecakes to be interesting. No town or scum tell; I just want to read more of your posts.


Some notes here. Inig has posted only 4 posts I believe since the game started. This is his last one. After I make a lengthy case on Rad, he comes in and discredits me in such a wishy washy way.

1) He never states which part of my case is "thrusting a sword" into Rad
2) He never states exactly why he finds Rad's explanations suitable despite my case

For someone who apparently is keeping track of the argument between me and Rad, he sure seems unwilling to comment on the actual case right after the case was posted.

Also, where did he go after that? Giving poor reasoning without quotes to back it up and then just bailing after you criticize someone is anti-town
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 13:25 GMT
#284
EBWOP

Notice how he just states Cheesecake is a null tell? There is enough going onto the thread at that point for him to contribute SOMETHING. I can state null tells all day. Where will that get us?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 13:32 GMT
#285
@Cheesecake, Djo, and (Dau0d?)

I have some thoughts on the Djo case. I would like Djo to post for one. Djo get your butt in here and answer why you called someone town please.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 25 2012 13:32 GMT
#286
On October 25 2012 22:10 sylverfyre wrote:
@ Dandel Ion - you've basically said something anti-policy and pro-policy at the same time. What?

How exactly does opposing Lynch a Lurker policy give off a town read? For me it gives off a 0.1% scum read to oppose a reasonable, but not infallible, Day 1 strategy. And if we get to the end of the day and there are still people who have only made the minimal of posts despite people accusing them (example: Roco if we were close to lynch time), then I think that's a perfectly solid lynch candidate.

I don't really understand this post.

Please clarify how I am anti and pro policy at the same time. I don't see it.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 13:37 GMT
#287
On October 25 2012 18:40 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 18:30 da0ud wrote:
EBWOP : How would you already know I am town ?


I don't know already if you are town or not. I've spoken too fast because I was thinking of our last game where you were town. It was a slip, but not a scumslip

Regarding Roco, I understand your hunch but he reminds me your first weird posts last game. He is suspicious but he doesn't deserve red bold font yet imo ^^


@everyone

Please find in my quote the reasons why I called daoud town. It was a slip, I admit it, but it is in no way a scum slip.
I'm ok to answer more questions about it if you are not satisfied.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 13:39 GMT
#288
@sylver

Please answer my question regarding your question "what is your favorite role ?" I really want to understand your motivations for asking such a question.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 13:42 GMT
#289
On October 25 2012 22:15 sylverfyre wrote:
Let me also be clear: Opposing a policy and opposing the specific instance of a policy being enacted are two entirely different things. Just because I'm not opposed to Lynch a Lurker doesn't mean I think we should invoke it automatically. But if we were closer to lynch time, and Ini and Roco still only had the posts they have... I'd vote for one of them. By not responding adequately to accusations made against you, you give the town very little to work with.

I don't really agree with debears vote on rad, but I think debears is playing an aggressive game, which is clean to me.


@sylver

Would you prefer lynch Ini or Roco today ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 13:43 GMT
#290
As for now, the only guy I would like to lynch right now is Inig.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 25 2012 13:48 GMT
#291
On October 25 2012 22:43 Djodref wrote:
As for now, the only guy I would like to lynch right now is Inig.

On what do you base that?
All I see is he made no contributions. So did other people. Some didn't even post yet.

If it's what he said, why do you see him as scummier than Roco?
Because I don't, so I'd like to know where this is coming from.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 25 2012 13:49 GMT
#292
On October 25 2012 22:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 22:43 Djodref wrote:
As for now, the only guy I would like to lynch right now is Inig.

On what do you base that?
All I see is he made no contributions. So did other people. Some didn't even post yet.

If it's what he said, why do you see him as scummier than Roco?
Because I don't, so I'd like to know where this is coming from.

EBWOP: The "I don't" in the last line refers to him saying Ingi is scummier than Roco.
I think it's the other way around.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 13:52 GMT
#293
On October 25 2012 21:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Just woke up fella's, have a few moments to read this over and give my thoughts. In the name of brevity, I'll keep it short.

On Debears-Rad incident: Debears came out of the gate swinging; reminiscent of DP from the last newbie game. Personally, I don't like this style of hot-headed pursuit, but it can work. However, I feel the reasons he's giving for Rad being suspicious are ill-founded. There is all this talk of confidence and policy lynching, and everything seems to be a matter of personal opinion rather than a role shining through to the exterior. There may be something there in what Debears has concluded, but I cannot be sure of my opinion of Rad at this time. I'd much rather vote for a lurker atm because the evidence is just not there.

Djodref: I find him to be exceedingly odd. I first thought his initial comment of my "serious policy lynching" to be weird, but with his recent two posts I find him suspicous.

Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote:

I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town



How do you know he's town???
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote:
On October 25 2012 17:57 Roco69 wrote:
@djodref

To keep it simple, "lurker policy on D1" seems to be a well known and basic strategy so I will do the exact opposite,=>so I will never be suspected.


@Roco

I have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ?
Are you mafia ?


Why would you specifically ask someone about them being mafia. What do you hope to accomplish??? I find these two statements to be suspicious as hell.

##FOS Djodref

I'll be back in about 6 hours, after my classes.


@Cheese

Calling daoud town was a slip, I've already explained it.
Regarding you and your "serious policy lynching", I have asked you a question and your answer satisfied me. I don't think you are 100% for a policy lynch anymore. I misinterpreted your post.
Regarding my question "are you mafia?", this is a very uncomfortable question to ask to a mafia player, believe me or not. They have to lie to answer such a question and this is the best way to pressure them imo. So I want to see Roco reaction to this question.
I'm not expecting him to admit that he is mafia. I'm going to gauge his reaction to this question in comparison to my own experience as a mafia player.
da0ud
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong252 Posts
October 25 2012 13:53 GMT
#294
On October 25 2012 19:25 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 18:30 da0ud wrote:
On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote:
On October 25 2012 18:09 da0ud wrote:
On October 25 2012 17:52 Djodref wrote:
I'm insisting on this because it was not my mentality at all at the beginning of NMMXVIII, you case see this in my quotes in debear previous posts. I want the "scared" newbies (like daoud) to boost their confidence and go scumhunt.


I am not scared anymore... And I will hunt you down this time if I have to


daoud

Good !

I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town

What's your take on the Rad-debears argument by the way?


How would you already I am town ? From you role and a first early read ?

Please explain this statement.
Why would he 'know' you to be town from his role??

I am feeling a bit suspicious about Djodref. I was wondering if he knew my role because he is mafia.
But I forgot there might be a serial killer as well in this gane. Hence my point against him is not valid I admit it.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 25 2012 13:59 GMT
#295
On October 25 2012 22:52 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 21:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Just woke up fella's, have a few moments to read this over and give my thoughts. In the name of brevity, I'll keep it short.

On Debears-Rad incident: Debears came out of the gate swinging; reminiscent of DP from the last newbie game. Personally, I don't like this style of hot-headed pursuit, but it can work. However, I feel the reasons he's giving for Rad being suspicious are ill-founded. There is all this talk of confidence and policy lynching, and everything seems to be a matter of personal opinion rather than a role shining through to the exterior. There may be something there in what Debears has concluded, but I cannot be sure of my opinion of Rad at this time. I'd much rather vote for a lurker atm because the evidence is just not there.

Djodref: I find him to be exceedingly odd. I first thought his initial comment of my "serious policy lynching" to be weird, but with his recent two posts I find him suspicous.

On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote:

I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town



How do you know he's town???
On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote:
On October 25 2012 17:57 Roco69 wrote:
@djodref

To keep it simple, "lurker policy on D1" seems to be a well known and basic strategy so I will do the exact opposite,=>so I will never be suspected.


@Roco

I have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ?
Are you mafia ?


Why would you specifically ask someone about them being mafia. What do you hope to accomplish??? I find these two statements to be suspicious as hell.

##FOS Djodref

I'll be back in about 6 hours, after my classes.


@Cheese

Calling daoud town was a slip, I've already explained it.
Regarding you and your "serious policy lynching", I have asked you a question and your answer satisfied me. I don't think you are 100% for a policy lynch anymore. I misinterpreted your post.
Regarding my question "are you mafia?", this is a very uncomfortable question to ask to a mafia player, believe me or not. They have to lie to answer such a question and this is the best way to pressure them imo. So I want to see Roco reaction to this question.
I'm not expecting him to admit that he is mafia. I'm going to gauge his reaction to this question in comparison to my own experience as a mafia player.

Uuuuh
Not really.
You just say "no" as an answer. That's the 'correct' answer for both alignments. I'd imagine you won't be able to interpret much out of those 2 letters.

I know in a post yesterday I semi-seriously pressured Roco to answer that same question, but as I just said, semi-seriously. You seem to really think that's a good strategy, lol.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 14:00 GMT
#296
On October 25 2012 22:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 22:43 Djodref wrote:
As for now, the only guy I would like to lynch right now is Inig.

On what do you base that?
All I see is he made no contributions. So did other people. Some didn't even post yet.

If it's what he said, why do you see him as scummier than Roco?
Because I don't, so I'd like to know where this is coming from.


@dandel

When I see the 2 posts from Roco, I see a total newbie. But he has some ideas which make him stand out. I would expect a total scum newbie to not post at all or trying to blend in.
Posting this kind of weird posts lead me to think that he has no team (i.e. no experienced scummates) or that they don't check him or that he doesn't use his coach.
Moreover, he has only two posts.

At the other hand, Inig has 4 posts where he says basically nothing about his own mind. He is not interacting with anyone, he is just posting here for the sake of posting. I would expect scum to produce this kind of posts rather than the very suspicious posts from Roco.

Anyways, I have to hear more from the both players to take any decision. As for now, my FoS is on Inig
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 25 2012 14:00 GMT
#297
On October 25 2012 22:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 22:52 Djodref wrote:
On October 25 2012 21:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Just woke up fella's, have a few moments to read this over and give my thoughts. In the name of brevity, I'll keep it short.

On Debears-Rad incident: Debears came out of the gate swinging; reminiscent of DP from the last newbie game. Personally, I don't like this style of hot-headed pursuit, but it can work. However, I feel the reasons he's giving for Rad being suspicious are ill-founded. There is all this talk of confidence and policy lynching, and everything seems to be a matter of personal opinion rather than a role shining through to the exterior. There may be something there in what Debears has concluded, but I cannot be sure of my opinion of Rad at this time. I'd much rather vote for a lurker atm because the evidence is just not there.

Djodref: I find him to be exceedingly odd. I first thought his initial comment of my "serious policy lynching" to be weird, but with his recent two posts I find him suspicous.

On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote:

I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town



How do you know he's town???
On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote:
On October 25 2012 17:57 Roco69 wrote:
@djodref

To keep it simple, "lurker policy on D1" seems to be a well known and basic strategy so I will do the exact opposite,=>so I will never be suspected.


@Roco

I have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ?
Are you mafia ?


Why would you specifically ask someone about them being mafia. What do you hope to accomplish??? I find these two statements to be suspicious as hell.

##FOS Djodref

I'll be back in about 6 hours, after my classes.


@Cheese

Calling daoud town was a slip, I've already explained it.
Regarding you and your "serious policy lynching", I have asked you a question and your answer satisfied me. I don't think you are 100% for a policy lynch anymore. I misinterpreted your post.
Regarding my question "are you mafia?", this is a very uncomfortable question to ask to a mafia player, believe me or not. They have to lie to answer such a question and this is the best way to pressure them imo. So I want to see Roco reaction to this question.
I'm not expecting him to admit that he is mafia. I'm going to gauge his reaction to this question in comparison to my own experience as a mafia player.

Uuuuh
Not really.
You just hear "no" as an answer. That's the 'correct' answer for both alignments. I'd imagine you won't be able to interpret much out of those 2 letters.

I know in a post yesterday I semi-seriously pressured Roco to answer that same question, but as I just said, semi-seriously. You seem to really think that's a good strategy, lol.

EBWOP, hear instead of say.
Tho I'd imagine you'd say the same thing.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 14:04 GMT
#298
@djo

But why did you use the wording "I expect you to do your job as town". That statement implies that you know he is town. Theres no wishy washness or "if your town". That's why its very weird

And daud (sry I'm calling you that now). Using logic involving a sk at this point is not good logic.

1) a seri killer wouldnt know if you are town while mafia would.
2) we don't have any idea whether there is a sk. Its best to not worry about it unless there are a pair of nks on any night
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 14:06 GMT
#299
On October 25 2012 22:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 22:52 Djodref wrote:
On October 25 2012 21:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Just woke up fella's, have a few moments to read this over and give my thoughts. In the name of brevity, I'll keep it short.

On Debears-Rad incident: Debears came out of the gate swinging; reminiscent of DP from the last newbie game. Personally, I don't like this style of hot-headed pursuit, but it can work. However, I feel the reasons he's giving for Rad being suspicious are ill-founded. There is all this talk of confidence and policy lynching, and everything seems to be a matter of personal opinion rather than a role shining through to the exterior. There may be something there in what Debears has concluded, but I cannot be sure of my opinion of Rad at this time. I'd much rather vote for a lurker atm because the evidence is just not there.

Djodref: I find him to be exceedingly odd. I first thought his initial comment of my "serious policy lynching" to be weird, but with his recent two posts I find him suspicous.

On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote:

I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town



How do you know he's town???
On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote:
On October 25 2012 17:57 Roco69 wrote:
@djodref

To keep it simple, "lurker policy on D1" seems to be a well known and basic strategy so I will do the exact opposite,=>so I will never be suspected.


@Roco

I have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ?
Are you mafia ?


Why would you specifically ask someone about them being mafia. What do you hope to accomplish??? I find these two statements to be suspicious as hell.

##FOS Djodref

I'll be back in about 6 hours, after my classes.


@Cheese

Calling daoud town was a slip, I've already explained it.
Regarding you and your "serious policy lynching", I have asked you a question and your answer satisfied me. I don't think you are 100% for a policy lynch anymore. I misinterpreted your post.
Regarding my question "are you mafia?", this is a very uncomfortable question to ask to a mafia player, believe me or not. They have to lie to answer such a question and this is the best way to pressure them imo. So I want to see Roco reaction to this question.
I'm not expecting him to admit that he is mafia. I'm going to gauge his reaction to this question in comparison to my own experience as a mafia player.

Uuuuh
Not really.
You just say "no" as an answer. That's the 'correct' answer for both alignments. I'd imagine you won't be able to interpret much out of those 2 letters.

I know in a post yesterday I semi-seriously pressured Roco to answer that same question, but as I just said, semi-seriously. You seem to really think that's a good strategy, lol.


@dandel

I've just played a game as a mafia player and the most difficult thing I had to answer to was

"why do you think you are not going to be targeted tonight ?"

I had a very strong case written against me at one time. But rather than this dead-on case (from mementoss if you want to read our Looney Lynching game), this only simple question has made my whole mentality crumbled.

I know everybody is going to say "lol, no, I'm not mafia". But my question is psychological warfare ^^

Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 25 2012 14:09 GMT
#300
On October 25 2012 23:04 debears wrote:
@djo

But why did you use the wording "I expect you to do your job as town". That statement implies that you know he is town. Theres no wishy washness or "if your town". That's why its very weird

And daud (sry I'm calling you that now). Using logic involving a sk at this point is not good logic.

1) a seri killer wouldnt know if you are town while mafia would.
2) we don't have any idea whether there is a sk. Its best to not worry about it unless there are a pair of nks on any night

He's saying a scum Djo couldn't know daoud is town since there is the possibility of a SK. Not that Djo is SK.

Not that I particularily agree with that reasoning, the chances there is a SK is relatively small afaik.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
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