TL Mafia LVIII

On November 02 2012 01:44 sylverfyre wrote:
/obs

Or not. Bit less interested in Shady's game, I want to pay more attention to how TL "Normal" mafia games go. Two-faction, though technically whin normal constraints, isn't really what I want to obs right now.

On December 23 2012 16:27 yamato77 wrote:
How much more work is it to keep up with a full sized game versus a mini? Twice, three times? Just want a rough estimate to see if I can handle a game this size.

On December 25 2012 19:02 Djodref wrote:
Shall we try to break CT mafia length record ?

On January 03 2013 08:02 HiroPro wrote:
he doesn't seem to be reading the thread. what does that say about him to you?

On January 03 2013 08:03 marvellosity wrote:


evidence?

On January 03 2013 08:12 HiroPro wrote:
hi perfection. please learn to post for yourself and not others. thanks.

On January 03 2013 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:


I like dis guy.

On January 03 2013 07:10 kushm4sta wrote:

i never even seen you before how do you automatically want to kill me?

On January 03 2013 08:23 Lazermonkey wrote:
grush as well.

On January 03 2013 08:24 Tunkeg wrote:
Hi guys. I am sick and tired of stupid as fuck townplayers. They make it harder then it should be to catch the scum. I am also sick and tired of the amount of sick respect some of you give the "good" players of this game, and how little you hold them accountable for their actions. Last game I played here I got lynched because the scumteam spearheaded by marvellosity made what I think is a pretty bad and illogical case on me, and the rest of the town didn't bother to form their own opinions. I would love if this game were as simple as: stupid (read: Illogical bad town play)=scum, that is utopia, but please at least try to think your posts through before spewing them into the thread, it will make the game much easier. Force the scumplayers to be the ones making shit up and posting illogical shit. If you think someone is acting scummy, reread them, ask yourself if their actions truly is scummy or if you are misreading, don't make poor reads and infest the thread with them. This is what I expect of the players in this game, nothing less, make scum struggle to write posts that doesn't make them suspicious.

Also if you respect a player in this game, hold them to the highest standard, don't let them get away with playing a poor town game, because if they do play below their townstandard, they are more likely to be scum than not. Please hold me to this standard as well (even though some of you consider me to be utter shit), if my number one scumread isn't a scumplayer the first couple of days I am playing way below my standards, and by the logic provided over I am more likely to be scum than not.

TLDR: Players of TLMafia get your shit together, especially the ones who allways are mentioned as stupid. Also expect the good players to be great, and don't accept them not being it!

On January 03 2013 08:27 kushm4sta wrote:
@iamp I didn't run away im lurking.

On January 03 2013 08:33 Tunkeg wrote:
You can lean whatever the fuck you want iam...

Also Palmar is either being stupid or fishing for reactions. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar, that one is easy. Even though Palmar experienced the catastrophy that was WBG's last game, he won't lynch WBG for policy as town.

On January 03 2013 08:37 Tunkeg wrote:


I am not talking about that game, I am talking about:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953

A game that is finished.

On January 03 2013 08:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
##Vote: kushm4sta

This guy...

On January 03 2013 08:40 yamato77 wrote:
Outspoken player =/= scum. Palmar is overly active and has good reasons for the policy lynch.

Marv you know better so you starting this Palmar is scum stuff is fishy.

On January 03 2013 09:04 Jackal58 wrote:
Role received. Dunno wtf it is but it's received.

On January 03 2013 21:05 supersoft wrote:
wtf confirmed townies? is he really that (im am polite now) "uninformed"?
LOL

On January 03 2013 21:45 Kurumi wrote:

Whenever they please for whatever role they please.
]

On January 04 2013 00:20 Palmar wrote:
I don't think debears is scum, in fact I think he's like supertown.

On January 03 2013 17:16 debears wrote:
Btw guys something to note

If we have a mason, if you talk to someone starting day 1, you are confirmed town to that player. Mafia do not get powers til night 1 I believe

On January 04 2013 00:30 Vivax wrote:
There is not enough intel on debears.

That use of statistics sucks anyway without checking its statistical significance.

On January 04 2013 00:31 Tunkeg wrote:
Hah, if you are saying someone is supertown with no reasoning behind it, then you need to be questioned. You being stupid is somewhat of a tell, so if you think your reasons to see dabears as supertown is stupid not answering is a good move...

On January 04 2013 00:34 Tunkeg wrote:
You are of course free to have your own reasoning for thinking it. But if thats your reason why you think someone is supertown I am just going to lable it as poor reasoning.

On January 04 2013 01:39 Palmar wrote:
Gentlemen!

##vote Mr. Cheesecake

On January 04 2013 01:46 yamato77 wrote:
Iamp why are you riding Palmar so hard?

On January 04 2013 01:51 yamato77 wrote:

I responded to the post. CC is not contributing, I agree, but that goes for the majority of players atm.

On January 04 2013 07:31 Tunkeg wrote:


Who is the two idiots?

On January 04 2013 07:38 Tunkeg wrote:


Allrighty then. Thought you meant there were 2 people sheeping foolishness. Anyways foolishness supposedly being good is what gets him off the hook, the "good" players of this game is allowed to do all kind of shit and get away with it. He obviously is so good that he doesn't need any justifications for his votes.

On January 04 2013 07:45 marvellosity wrote:


toad has commented on almost nothing of value.

On January 04 2013 07:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Tunkeg

I used to think like you're thinking right now. And I SHOT BC IN THE FACE for it. He was town. I was an idiot.

I can assure you none of the vets are "being lazy" unless they're scum. They're reading the thread and coming to conclusions, rather than spouting off at the mouth at every fucking post. There's a reason you get lynched every game Tunkeg, and it has nothing to do with "idiot towns sheeping idiot vets". It has everything to do with your moronic idea that being a douchebag to everyone is the way to get them to listen to you. I got news for you friend, that's not how it works around here.

People listen to the vets because they have, at some point, proven that they know what they're talking about. Have you? Then how about you worry about how YOU play rather than calling vets "lazy" and "bad for town" just because they're not calling people idiots three times on every fucking page?

On January 04 2013 07:58 Tunkeg wrote:


LOL, I don't get lynched every game, get your facts straight, I have gotten lycnhed twice in mafia, thats it. Also are you implying that the rest of us isn't reading the thread, which is wrong. The difference is that we are required to post reasons behind our votes, why the fuck should not the "good" players be required to do so? Yes, I think Foolishness is being incredible lazy for just posting two posts thus far, and only throws down a vote on Toad without any reasons. Yes, I think Palmar plays incredible wierd and stupid this game, if he is town it is just unnecessary. If you want to worship them, then be my guest, I won't, I want them to earn it every fucking game they play, just like Palmar did in our last game.

On January 04 2013 08:14 VisceraEyes wrote:

You don't get to insult me, ignore my posts, call me scummy, and then try and appeal to me for my vote. Keep railing on Foolish, maybe he's not around to bite back.

On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:


Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny

On January 04 2013 08:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Nope. All serious biz this game. Lynch me Dibbers c'mon.

On January 04 2013 08:25 debears wrote:



IAMP
IAMP
IAMP
IAMP

ANSWER PLZ

On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote:


ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ

On January 04 2013 08:32 debears wrote:
Btw Iamp what are you guys calling your society?

Is it still the Circle of Superfriends?

I will talk over joining you with the rest of The Brown Brotherhood

On January 04 2013 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hey guys wanna just kill palmar for claiming scum?

I mean I was fine with him up until this page but since he's so adamant that he's scum then let's just help him to exit the game at the earliest opportunity.

On January 04 2013 11:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
I am guessing that when Palmar gets close to being lynched he'll claim mason with iamp.

too bad masons aren't confirmed town in this game

On January 04 2013 11:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
iamp you should post your logs now.

I don't find BC scummy atm. I actually agree with what Foolishess said about him earlier, though Foolishness hasn't said much-that in itself was worth remembering.

On January 04 2013 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote:


btw since you are not able to produce the logs right now, I am not inclined to believe them given that you have been outed already.

The last time someone said this, they were a scum mason (also in a Kurumi game)

On January 04 2013 13:13 kushm4sta wrote:
I just caught up,

Palmar seems like an obviously terrible lynch. He's claimed mason and there is apparently town like notes to convince everyone.

Cheesecake and hopeless look scummy to me.
Also Hiropro. he's just been talking to marv, trying to get him to pursue various leads then dropping them like nothing.

On January 04 2013 13:32 kushm4sta wrote:

no. I read through his filter now he doesn't seem that scummy.

On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too.

Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work.

On January 04 2013 23:45 marvellosity wrote:


yep, Cheescake is also a good lynch. Either cheesecake or Adam are good lynches today.

On January 04 2013 23:58 marvellosity wrote:


I should elaborate - Hapa in his case drew parallels with my scumgames. Here Palmar is just trying to show how I've played differently as town before. Sure, Rock Band was my greatest triumph, catching all the scum, catching the SK, and blocking multiple KP.

I've had fuckloads of completely average day 1s as town though. It means nothing.

On January 05 2013 00:01 Jackal58 wrote:

Are you both masons or did just one of you contact the other? If so who?

On January 05 2013 00:07 Jackal58 wrote:

I did read the thread. I just wanted to see if an answer changed.

On January 05 2013 00:08 kushm4sta wrote:

This is the summary.
You exhibit all of those. Just because your response to the case has been different than last game, that does not make you town. Iamp has retardedly suggested this.
Also about your response, I find it scummy. It looks like panicking to me as I already said. It is an extreme jump in activity.

On January 05 2013 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
you should've stopped Palmar making this terribad wagon then, sweetheart.

On January 05 2013 00:59 marvellosity wrote:
iamp, you make me very very sad indeed.

On January 05 2013 01:27 Lazermonkey wrote:
Can Vivax, thrawn and hopeless explain to me why contradicting myself on one point(because it is true about the rest of the case) makes me scum(my)?

Hint: it doesn't.

On January 05 2013 03:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
##vote: marv

Because sheeping dibbers and phone posting / not reading thread. In b4 im scum.

On January 05 2013 03:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC voting for Palmar stinks of "Don't make the marv lynch seem too easy". Am I alone in thinking this?

Like...let's suppose for a moment that BC thinks Palmar is scum. Palmar has built this huge wagon on marvelosity right? Does BC think marv is scum? Does he think he's town? If he thinks marv is scum, why would he attack the leader of the marv wagon? If he thinks marv is town, why isn't he pushing Palmar harder? He's got to see that this town isn't going to respond to one post, whether good and well thought out or not. Is he really trying to get Palmar lynched? Does anyone see evidence of this outside his one voting post?

BC also has the prestigious honor of having lurked most of the day, popping in to comment a couple of times and then vanishing.

I think I like a BC lynch more than I like a marvelosity lynch.

On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW

I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?

I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.

On January 05 2013 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, I just stopped playing a board game with my other half's family. As far as I can see all the votes are still on me, so I'm gonna claim, mostly just so I can laugh at Palmar for lynching the uncounterclaimed cop as the first lynch of 2013.

I am ]Mandy, the Slow Cop

On January 05 2013 08:11 Chezinu wrote:

Did you know that one electric spark can set off a series of events?

On January 06 2013 00:25 kushm4sta wrote:
iamp how can irc not work?

On January 05 2013 17:10 debears wrote:
WE AREN'T MASONS DAMNIT. ALREADY SAID IT.

I just like Chez. I decided to join his roleplay society in the meanwhile until the game settles down

On January 06 2013 04:09 debears wrote:
Iamp

Trolling =/= not forming reads. You are being silly.

Also, I would say I have had an easy time interpreting what Chez is saying

CC, based on d1, is a good candidate

Foolish - idk. Does he normally go lurky useless as scum?

On January 06 2013 04:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
iamp what do you make of Sentinel?

On January 06 2013 04:18 Clarity_nl wrote:


I made a pretty expansive case on him if you haven't looked at it. Doesn't mention the self-vote though, cause that's just beyond stupid.

On January 06 2013 08:41 grush57 wrote:
It doesn't say a one time cop in the op?

On January 06 2013 09:02 Kurumi wrote:

Ahoy!

So Wherebugsgo triumphed over his findings with dear uni-mates, there was some champagne, crackers and even butter. Of course, you can't party forever. Nature called wherebugsgo himself and he went to the place where even kings go on foot.
Too bad wherebugsgo isn't a toddler, because he never came back from the bathroom. He did manage to take a leak though before dying, so no wet pants. Besides blood. It was everywhere.
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote:
With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now.
I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery...

I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution.
I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all.

On January 06 2013 09:28 grush57 wrote:
WTF LYNCH JACKAL

On January 06 2013 09:30 Toadesstern wrote:

Jackal was already confirmed mafia before, or at least pretty much. Everyone knew it's either Bugs or Jackal mafia the moment Bugs claimed. There's no reason to vote Bugs instead of Jackal so might as well shoot the confirmed townie and make Jackal a 99% confirmed mafia instead of just being 98% confirmed.

The problem with iamP is that I agree with you, he was pretty much confirmed town and I still think he's town.
That however leaves the question why mafia didn't opt to sac that KP for a dayvig as well.
But a town-vig shooting iamP makes 0 sense... why would a townie shoot him and on top of that not even claim prior to deadline.

So I guess it was mafia for some reason I don't understand yet?

On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum.

On January 06 2013 10:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


Yes but you're missing the point. Even if there is 0.0001% chance we would lynch WBG it would be better than 0% if WBG is confirmed cop by death.

On January 06 2013 13:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am a 100% in favor of lynching jackal next cycle, and focusing this cycle on scumhunting and lynching someone else.

If Palmar comes back and makes a case on me, I see no alternative than him being scum.
I've thought him town ever since the log/reads posts, despite the bad marv lynch, but if he follows it up by going after another townie I just can't..... rectify it in my brain, idunno.

To everyone saying "they'll dayvig two more people today" please keep in mind that iamp claimed to get shot and saved, I have a hard time seeing this shot be from town and I have an even harder time seeing iamp lying (hes totes town) so please keep in mind that scum should have only one shot left if it is in fact a dayvig.

With this in mind:


I find it hard to see mafia either making this mistake by accident, or making it on purpose to seem like town. Therefore Sentinel is town. Despite my case on him I quite liked his defense, in combination with this it clears him in my book.

MZ is an obvious target for everyone but there has been no resistance to it, much like the marv and bc lynches, so it's putting me a little on edge and I'll be spending today trying to find alternatives (although I generally do this anyway even when happy with the main lynch target)

On January 06 2013 09:52 Palmar wrote:


I'm not too worried about you worrying about mine. I don't need to prove I'm innocent for another what... 72 hours? Jackal is getting owned today. It actually kinda suits me well that some townies suspect I'm mafia, makes it less likely I will be shot before I can make sense of this mess.

And yeah day 1 is on me, I honestly thought marv was scum, but I'd like to think there is a very easy to spot difference in my approach to the marv lynch this game and in rockband.

If not, I'm better at playing scum than I thought ^^

On January 06 2013 14:07 Clarity_nl wrote:


Why, I thought you were in favor of delaying it for a cycle as well? Did I miss something?

On January 06 2013 14:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
What do you think of yamato, iamp? I'm having a hard time reaching any kind of conclusion. He seems rather carefree which would be a town trait, but other than that....

On January 07 2013 04:35 debears wrote:
Hey guys I want to point something out about Iamp that I'm not liking right now

1) He claimed mason
2) The scum know that day vigs are unblockable
3) the scum for some reason felt the need to nk iamp, even though he's a mason who already used his power with palmar. All scum would have to do is wait til right after the nightpost to shoot him with an unblockable day vig instead of risking being blocked
4) We had 2 cops flip d1, including a role cop. the mafia were at a much lesser risk of being caught with their dayvigs with those flips
5) They didn't nk anyone else, yet had day vigs for 2 others.

I'd say if Iamp makes it to lylo, you guys had better lynch the sucker. The mafia's choice to nk instead of dayvig would make no sense if true.

However, I don't want to lynch Iamp because of the case that he could possibly be the mason and use his shot sometime

On January 07 2013 04:42 debears wrote:
Hey Iamp what exactly do you mean by one shot mason real quick

On January 07 2013 04:44 debears wrote:
Like, you have one bullet or you can only mason once?

On January 07 2013 04:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
iamp how do you feel about palmar, given recent flips.

On January 07 2013 04:50 supersoft wrote:
it might be a theoretical possibility, however as i already pointed out, why would the scumteam send iamp to palmar...
The 1-shot thing fits into the set-up... and he claimed a shot... no scumteam does all that with one guy... i don't know...
the obvious explanation is: he's a 1shot mason who got shot, because scum thought he's almost confirmed.

On January 07 2013 04:55 supersoft wrote:
scum obviously aims for almost confirmed townies like keirathi and wbg.
during the night you were the only one who fits in that pattern. Shoot confirmed townies... not the worst strategy...

On January 07 2013 05:25 Djodref wrote:
@ debears

I understand your concerns, but it goes all down to a time-constraint problem from my side ^^

1)My activity is bigger in all my other games, regardless of my alignment. I was scum in Witchcraft, Mario Mini and Looney Mini and I've been pretty active as scum in these games. Here I was in the plane coming back to Korea when the game started, and I had a lot of work to do because they didn't wait for me when I was on vacation back in France. I was also jet-lagged and super tired. Like, it's 5am here, and I'm fucking awake...
And I'm not usually very active on week-ends ")

2)Yeah, you cannot read Also I didn't have so much time to take a decision at that time

3)I didn't have time to push him, I was reading the thread again to see if I didn't miss anything important. I woke up in the middle of the night to follow the game, I remind you

4)Again, lack of time from my part

On January 07 2013 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
oi supersoft I'm gonna mason you during the night cycle so we can just talk things out on IRC.

The person I'm currently masoned to is proving less than useful (maybe afk) I really wish they would get on IRC with me because I'm starting to become really suspicious due to their complete lack of communication or presence in the thread.

In the meantime I'll vote Jackal. Everything else is waiting for the person to get back to me.

It'd be foolish to lynch me today.

On January 07 2013 05:34 debears wrote:


We have 30 ppl in this game. I'd say 6-8 blues is a good number for expected amount of blues

With your claim: 7 total

Our current list of power roles:
Slow Alignment Cop
Slow Cop
One-time Alignment Cop
Vengeful Vigilante
Role Cop x1
*one time mason* (iamp)
*full game mason* (MZ)

That's 7. We are tredding on dangerous territory with this number of claims

On January 07 2013 05:42 debears wrote:


Ah yes. And Iamp was rbed correct?

So that'd be 8/9 including jk or medic and RB

On January 07 2013 05:46 kushm4sta wrote:

Hi! Expect full reads from me later tonight.

Internet weed is amazing! do you know you can buy any drug off the internet? I feel like this whole mafia game should know that.

DJODREF explain your comment about iamp and the medic.?

On January 07 2013 06:10 Djodref wrote:
@ iamp

Are you still around ? I think I have an explanation why mafia tried to shoot you at night !
Look at this

1 KP -> one dayvig shooting WBG
1 KP -> one dayvig shooting Keir
0.5 KP -> MZ is mason
remaining 0.5 KP rounded to 1 KP -> shoot iamp at night !

The remaining KP gets rounded, that's what we were missing !

On January 07 2013 06:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
So scum has a free 0.5 role every night

On January 07 2013 10:04 Chezinu wrote:

What if the games are just used to pass time, because I really have nothing to say. Plus, it amusing. Though, it is not always fun for all. It seems everyone thinks I'm town because I'm playing my games. So, I will continue on. Oh and if mafia start accusing me, beware: Chezinu is a big fluffy animal. I pretends to be more powerful than I really am. So you better what out for my fluff. It could hurts you... or maybe its really cushioning and soft.

Yeah... I'm just waiting for the next day to arrive.

On January 07 2013 06:46 Djodref wrote:


@ iamp

So what to you think about this ?
MZ is scum mason, hoping that the KP usage for the masonry gets unnoticed because of this trick.
That's why you got shot at night and not by a dayvig !

On January 08 2013 00:59 thrawn2112 wrote:


can you explain this like i'm 5?

On January 08 2013 03:21 Vivax wrote:


First of all, I think it's too early for you to make a connection cases between CC and him. I wouldn't expect CCs flip to be alignment indicative of the people attacking him.
I don't agree with Foolishs' read on CC, Palmar said that town Foolishness posts very good reads. He posted a read that doesn't include CCs scum game, instead just two town games, although the posting frequency argument holds.
But I would expect someone renowned like Foolish to double check his reads better and include CCs scum game like I did.
2 pages of filter is pretty sad for such a renowned town player, but according to Palmar that's the vets' style.
Until we see more, Fool is null for me.

Now, Palmar agrees with him on CC without noticing that he didn't post all of meta.
I actually can't trust Palmar on anything he says anymore since he's playing on his own and trolling the shit out of us, and giving him cred for posting that list is shit cause mafia know who's town anyway, so he's always going to step onto the right feet.

Palmar is currently among the bad boys for me, although he would have fooled us like a boss with his irc chat. He looks quite sincere in his interactions with iamp.

I believe that we should pull Toad out of his comfort zone and let him know that we're going to stalk his posts. Such a talkative player shouldn't be silent in this phase.
Same for grush, Djo, thrawn, froggy, MZ, Sentinel.
Djo started singing like a rockstar when he had enough votes poking his ass in Hero MM

@Iamp

Did Palmar invite you first to his irc domain or did you ask for a live chat system?

On January 08 2013 08:53 supersoft wrote:
impression so far: he'll have a bad time if he hasn't brushed his teeths...

On January 08 2013 09:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You'll get logs when I feel like it's appropriate, I haven't had more than a precursory discussion with supersoft since it's currently 2am for him. I'm going to stay up and try to catch him when he wakes up so maybe in like 8 or 9 hours if we get a hold of each other.

On January 08 2013 10:24 debears wrote:


Why wouldn't I. Marv just won a scum game because he claimed vet and a shot and lived til the end because town didn't use their heads. Mafia nk strong town players with roles by lylo, especially in a 30 player game. Duh.

On September 06 2012 01:08 Chezinu wrote:

If I was town and had consistent access to internet with my pc. I would have definitely made more C transmissions and they would have actually entail hidden messages that were useful or something like that.

On January 09 2013 01:50 Foolishness wrote:


[spoiler]And in case you jubjubs haven't figured it out yet, no, we're not killing Meapak[/spoilers]

On January 09 2013 02:41 supersoft wrote:
i have the logs and i don't know why you want them so badly.
ofc we're not lynching someone who claimed permanent mason.
you realize scum has to sac one kill on this, if MZ really should be scum.

On January 09 2013 05:35 supersoft wrote:


if you are so intelligent, why dont you share your wisdom with us?
2.5 KP - 0.5 KP = 2 KP =/= 2,5 KP = 3 Kills

On January 08 2013 04:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Nah if I was scum I'd be tunneling one person entire game. Appreciate y'alls discussin me though. I lost interest in this game 100 pages ago. Will continue to be useless. Though i suggest looking at people pushing me right now cus i'm the ez town target.

In b4 i'm scum.

Also dont use my one scum game as a meta read lol. Esp. You dibbers. I would play nothing like my first game ever if i rolled scum again.

On January 09 2013 07:34 kushm4sta wrote:
@IAMP CC did wifom mind bombs last game as town. He was badbadbadbad town that game, the only difference is he was active.

On January 09 2013 09:20 debears wrote:




Hey Iamp

Why don't you try something new? Actually look at the quality of my counter arguments against vivax and explain why they're wrong.

Have fun

On January 09 2013 10:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, can anyone give me a good reason to not lynch Foolishness or Palmar? Honestly, I can't think of a single one.

On January 09 2013 10:32 yamato77 wrote:

You prefer being scum?

The fuck?

On January 09 2013 10:39 yamato77 wrote:

I read one of his scum games and it looks a lot like his play this game, IMO.

He whines about town A LOT as scum. Like, a lot.

But his reads agree with mine so I'm willing to lynch one.

On January 09 2013 10:51 Promethelax wrote:
The distinct possibility that Fool is being useless intentionally to avoid the NK so he can solve the game later?

On January 09 2013 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote:


So you're saying that you think that it's more likely that scum shot at you AND medic'd you than it is for a townie to have had a townread on you and protect a mason claim D1?

Is this what you're trying to get me to believe that you believe?

On January 09 2013 11:18 VisceraEyes wrote:


But your "theory" is that they didn't want you dead at all...

Doing it your way nets them 3 KP. Shooting you at night and them choosing a .5 KP power nets them 3.5 KP for the night, at the expense of POSSIBLY being blocked.

I just don't think it's as likely. It's obviously possible, I just don't think it's likely.

On January 09 2013 11:30 VisceraEyes wrote:


Are you referring to the Cheesecake lynch? In that, it's your case because you brought it up with Palmar and he concurred, igniting the wagon in the first place?

On January 09 2013 11:32 yamato77 wrote:

See I agree with all of this because that's how I feel at the moment but that doesn't make you town necessarily.

The difference is, no one is trying to get me lynched. They are trying to get you lynched though which means you should be trying harder than me right now to find scum.

On January 09 2013 11:34 yamato77 wrote:

What's funny?

On January 09 2013 11:49 yamato77 wrote:

Please do explain.

I'm not pushing his lynch I just want to interact with him a bit to see what he thinks.

On January 09 2013 12:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Thanks pal...I think you're likely town too.

So I've been thinking...iamp: scum instead of MZ? What do you think?

On January 09 2013 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
What? Got something to fear from a little discussion iamp? Does your play not totally paint you as town?

I'm just spitballin here...your post about scum shooting you AND medicing you was outright ridiculous and completely out of place.

On January 09 2013 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
In your theory you and MZ are both town...you realize this right? That both you and MZ are town masons in your theory. Have YOU considered THAT?

On January 09 2013 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
But in your theory, scum wouldn't have the KP to make MZ a mason. By the KP alone, it wouldn't be possible.

On January 09 2013 12:37 VisceraEyes wrote:


Why? Call me lazy if you want, but me providing no evidence does NOT make me stupid. It makes me lazy. Do you think I'm stupid? Even if I think you're scum, do you think I'm fucking stupid iamp?

On January 09 2013 12:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why'd you back off Palmar iamp?

On January 10 2013 03:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar all I'm seeing in your logs with iamp is you giving him a bunch of town reads. You don't even have any PRIVATE scum-reads, and your only public scum reads have flipped town.

Like, you are your own worst enemy if you're town here boss - D1 is supposed to be your strongest day, you tunneled 2 townies. You haven't done shit since then, in spite of being redeemed in the form of Bugs pulling in a red check. And now you're here referring back to logs that appear to me to be scum trying to fake caring about the game.

On January 10 2013 07:44 Promethelax wrote:
hey all, I'll stand for me being townie. I doubt anyone else will, besides djo I guess and Kush who called me scum for a while but then called be null? I don't get it at all. Kush explain please.

Thrawn, if you are around, I want to know why it is that you think I am scum when I have showed you that in YAN I was town and playing the same way.

On January 10 2013 07:47 Promethelax wrote:
I have no fucking idea about Kush. The way I'm told he is readable is through his meta when he is pressured but he has not been under pressure in any serious way this game. I'm hoping to be able to get a read on him though.

On January 10 2013 08:02 Palmar wrote:
did foolishness get replaced?



I would consider it. Back on day 1 Toad seemed very eager to follow me to the marv lynch, but he at least pretended to have reasons for it on his own.

I would have to re-read his filter though.

On January 10 2013 08:15 Palmar wrote:
I could possibly see myself lynching Froggy or Cheesecake today. I'm not sure lynching into the loud people is the best idea to be honest.

On January 10 2013 08:25 Palmar wrote:
I know, I'm saying our best chances of hitting scum are through analysing the people that aren't posting. But I'm not nearly done with filter-reading so far.

On January 10 2013 08:38 Palmar wrote:
I went for marv because I thought he was scum. I think I explained it well enough, there's multiple links to things I didn't like in the chat between us. Also he seemed to do the whole gradually shift to think I'm scum thing. Which I didn't like either.

On January 10 2013 08:44 Palmar wrote:


dunnoh, got tunneled in on him or something. To be perfectly honest I did not mean to lynch him day 2, I had changed my mind. But apparently he got modkilled.

On January 05 2013 09:01 Palmar wrote:


Riding shotgun on yamato's tunnel train

On January 10 2013 10:05 debears wrote:
Just so you know my thought process:

Out of the 7-9 of you that voted for me:
Most of you are town that aren't reading most likely
A couple of you are scum most likely

No reason for me to live with that shit going on. You guys will just lynch me later in an important lynch

Not one person besides Vivax has shown why my counter arguments are wrong against vivax. And then Vivax just keeps saying "well I interpret it like this".

If you are town, lynch me. It's better in the long haul. I won't survive against townies who can't read and come up with their own opinions

On January 10 2013 10:08 debears wrote:


already have

On January 10 2013 10:10 debears wrote:
I will repeat this one more time

NONE of you have explained why my counter arguments against vivax are wrong. NONE OF YOU.

In other words, I am fucked later no matter what because you guys can't read and think on your own

On January 10 2013 10:36 debears wrote:


Controversial mislynch = easier reads on the scum

bam

On January 10 2013 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, if anyone was still doubting that we should lynch debears today, I think it's quite clear that he is scum right now.

On January 10 2013 23:25 Lazermonkey wrote:
Indeed. It will probebly also cure my paranoia about you being scum Iamp... I don't see how you are left alive this long tbh but you being scum makes like zero sense in every aspect...

On January 10 2013 23:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Yes, it would. But he is like 101% scum at this point so don't fear.

On January 11 2013 00:12 iamperfection wrote:

the only fear i have is bad logic

On January 11 2013 00:49 Vivax wrote:
The death of Palmar confuses me,

On January 11 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:
I hit tab + enter there iamp. Not sure if I want to openly speculate about Palmars death, but it does raise a few questions for me.

On January 11 2013 01:06 Vivax wrote:
Like: Palmar didn't express any concerns about debears before dying, he announced that he'd read up on him, but he gets shot. Should we draw conclusions about debears from that or treat it as WIFOM?