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But Shady is dedz | ||
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I don't post a lot and it bites me in the ass when there's 150 posts in the thread while I was at school or sports or hanging out with my friends or something. Just bring something to the table and try your hardest not to rustle anyone's jimmies. | ||
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On December 24 2012 16:42 VisceraEyes wrote: /in shit just got real | ||
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On December 25 2012 09:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Man, I'm not reading the game, I must be scum  I thought I was scum... wait a minute... | ||
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I CAN FEEL THE RISING FORCE MY DICK HAS NEVER BEEN THIS BIG BEFORE | ||
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On December 25 2012 19:02 Djodref wrote: Shall we try to break CT mafia length record ? How long was it? I'm interested now. | ||
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I was freestyle skiing today and landed on my head so I won't be able to say much intelligence today anyway I will lynch anyone who doesn't send me a get well card | ||
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On December 31 2012 18:45 Palmar wrote: Prove this or you're just starting shit for the sake of starting shit. He made a funny joke, you're the one who's starting shit for the sake of starting shit | ||
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On December 31 2012 23:23 marvellosity wrote: I wouldn't take Palmar too seriously, Sentinel ^^ But but but mafia is srs bznz | ||
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I am going to say that Tunkeg is bluntly pompous like this as a townie. I've played with him and against him and all his townie games are pretty much going along with the all bark, no bite line-of-thought. While I have no evidence to the contrary I will agree that he is a townie. Just a pompous one. Until then, I will do the only logical thing within my power to do. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Heido-ho there neighbors. Just began my expedition of the thread, and so far my top scumread is Marv's leg. So then we will lynch marvellosity by the leg! It is settled | ||
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Either we eliminate the role in a similar fashions as we eliminate masons (if we eliminate masons at all that is) if the town may liberally doublevote - Or at the very least the doublevoter if there is one may know who the scum is when he gets denied by scum, if he gets denied by scum (in which case I want a thank-you from the doublevoter by a complex breadcrumb system that only he will be able to decipher) | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:30 marvellosity wrote: because if he's too clever to slip so stupidly as mafia, it's really easy just to say something like that as mafia because it doesn't mean anything. So Palmar said yet another useless thing with no significance. Why am I not surprised. Why is anyone surprised at this. Why are we even considering this to be anything more than Palmar-talk? | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:39 Toadesstern wrote: Seriously, why do people start talking about townreads all the time? I hate that and nowadays everyone does it. Even you marv... you're better than that. There's no reason to talk about a townread, no matter how weak or how strong on d1 unless the guy in question is about to be lynched. Don't give people an easy time skating by by dropping some random townreads, talk about things you consider to be weird. I talk about town reads because I am defending my position that people who want to lynch Tunkeg right now are making oh so very stupid decisions. Also I think they are wrong. But I defer to your infinite wisdom Toad. Surely you know better than I. Post some information devoid of townreads and do explain on who is the scum and why you are right. Or at the very least, who you think is wrong. | ||
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Why can't we all be town Why can't the scum drop their weapons and come together and we'll all sing kumbayah together in the streets | ||
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On January 03 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote: Anyone else noticed that Sentinel have ONLY been trolling and useless this far? And have you been better? What have you done? Enlighten me. I am not posting anything of great mass or importance. This is more obligatory than anything now that I think of it. It is currently 22:06 where I am. I am going to sleep and will wake up at 04:00 the next morning. I will then read the filters of several players and will not stop until I have substantial evidences to point two of my fingers, but perfereably more, at people who I am suspicious of. It'll be like the metal horns but with more killing. Basically I'm not lurking anymore. I have these people in my head already and in exactly eight hours or less I will report my findings. I wish you all a pleasant night and to keep the vitriol to acceptable levels. | ||
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The other thing is tunnel Jackal. I don't know where you're going with this but it's not working. It's working less than the immigrant worker I hired to fix my deck. Jackal was lurking and given the suspicion... proceeded to lurk! Very effective tunneling. On January 04 2013 05:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Seriously though we should lynch this jackal guy. I randomly voted him out of a pool of lurkers, but like a good lil townie I stuck to it and his appearance did not impress. Two posts, both of them brief, and responding to thinks that happened on that current page. No commentary on anything, just pops in to make a joke and "agree" with someone that something is scummy. Lynch the scum. That is point two. Now here is the reason I don't like his filter at all - is because he doesn't back things up at all. I see no concrete reads, or concrete anything other than these two cases. No lengthy discussions. Ima go back to Hero Mini and see how Clarity did over there for more information. Until then I will give you the benefit of the doubt since being sick sucks. Tunkeg, do you ever get bored of your own whiny voice, explaining how you're so amazing and the only mistakes you've ever had were because you weren't trying. Hero wasn't "half the scumteam tunneling you for the entire game" it was simply "the scumteam going for the easy target", because that's what you are. You never pinned marv as scum, even as you were getting lynched by him you were just calling him arrogant and smug and all this other shit. Stop bitching, fuck. Granted this made me laugh. Next victim. On January 04 2013 10:39 wherebugsgo wrote: I agree with marv. If you look at when Palmar rolls scum, he does this all the time. Towns leave him alone when he trolls so hard because "no scum would draw attention to themselves like that!" they conveniently look past the disruption to try and rationalize Palmar's play. Palmar is really destructive as scum because he can get away with it. This is particularly why he's good at playing third party. No scum will ever shoot a troll, and town won't lynch such a vocal vet. So, let's kill him. ##vote Palmar I could honestly go for this if he doesn't produce the logs out of his ass before the night. I think the risk of scum knowing Palmar's thoughts is justified compared to being viewed as town in our eyes. It would do much more than simply asking him to be town as yamato suggested. I'm voting for Palmar until he brings out those logs. | ||
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For now, unvoting. | ||
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Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period | ||
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BC on the other hand I have a very hard time imagining him to be town. He's had a conversation about Chez with yamato, and made one post about how despite getting his shit together, Palmar is apparently irredeemable. Then some whining à la Tunkeg. Except Tunkeg is just the embodiment of frustration. Convince me marv is mafia, or at least summarize for me pretty please. I've been spaced the whole day and might have missed a lot in the thread since my clarity/Palmar post. | ||
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My suspicions of Mr. BC turned out to be mistaken but that doesn't redeem him in any way. His scumlist is just everyone who tunneled him and 6 of the first 7 people to vote for him. I'm still in the standing that Palmar is town. Here is what I remember about marv. I've been gone a long time but I definitely remember him as scum in one of my last games before I left. If I remember the name of the mafia I will link to it. But the point is that he is charismatic. 86 winrate someone said? In that game he managed to pretend he was me (I was the last remaining blue) and pretty much sway the game in his favor. Marv is a valuable asset as town but he is hypercritical to a scum victory (unless we have an elite scumteam where everyone is flawless). We could get rid of him just to eliminate this chance. | ||
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Disregard everything I said about marv gaise. | ||
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Let's start with the blatantly obvious - myself implying I'm town. Well of course. Do you want me to be implying I'm scum or something? Is Palmar scum because he labels himself as "supertown" on his spreadsheet? I mean you have the full right to be pissed off at it but it doesn't mean I'm suddenly a red desperately trying to cover my ass. So now it looks like I have no excuse but to talk. First let me explain you all as many reasons as I can why Clarity is wrong. Then I'll try to be a good little towny to calm him down. I'll start by trying to be respectful and involved for the rest of this post. I don't want to start a shitstorm to distract the other townies. I don't think Clarity is scum for any of this, just wrong. Let's start with his big post on me. It's on page 4 of his filter, I'm not going to quote/head the whole thing. Sue me. But more telling than that is that Sentinel betrays his own priorities, namely that while reading through the thread the first thing he looks for is if anyone is suspicious of him. Town look for scum, and if they see a case on themselves then they might react, they don't react to the fact that there is no case on them. I'd actually like to say that there's at least one person suspicious of me D1 in about 80% of the mafia games I've participated in. This is again due to the "lazy townie" mentality you and lazer were talking about. This is far from the first time I've made such complaints and it will be far from the last. Here are some highlights: TL Mafia LIII (Area) (role: jailkeeper) On April 22 2012 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: So... can we have a little tidbit of it? Is my lurking in there, Mr. Wup? Because I'm a regular lurker. Sometimes I have to sleep and eat and go places where I can't exactly contribute to mafia games. This is especially apparent when there are 30 freakin' players and it's a pain in the ass to have to catch up all the time. What about the other inactives? What specifically irks you about my lurking that I have to be voted off? TL Mafia LII (JubJub) (role: vanilla) On March 16 2012 05:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Because I have school and swim practice. I like to think it's not lazy townie but busy townie. Between school, swimming and work I don't have time to constantly be engaged in the thread which means I'm accountable for reading 22 pages of text whenever and wherever I am. While we're on the topic of precedence I'd like to add two things to my meta resume: 1. That last post I was answering a question about my unreliability with analyses 2. This isn't the first time I self-voted (and it isn't the last  )Another one from JubJub - On March 13 2012 10:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: God... it's late and I don't want to think right now... ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel until I find a better reason. That's enough of me quoting myself. So here's justification that I do all this stuff as town, your choice to believe just how legitimate the reasons are. My self-votes are for a multitude of reasons but usually I'll do it either because I want to vote for someone but I haven't found a target, or I can't think of anything so I'll self-vote to avoid a modkill. The quoted bit was strictly for the former reason, this game it was the former and partially the latter. Next question: He ends it all with saying he'll go read one of my older games and that he'll "give me the benefit of the doubt because I might be sick" Wait. He doesn't think I'm scum? He also never ends up commenting on my earlier game, which would have been different from this game, so I am going with: He lied My "promised grand entrance" as you called it was a flop. I am not going to debate that. I can make all sorts of excuses but the more needless excuses I make the less force the rest of my argument has. In fact, I chucked in Palmar because his read was so apparent and I needed to point my second finger at someone before that deadline. I will not debate any of that. A little jab at my wording there but everyone does that. Moving on. I am.... so confused right now..... so instead of trying to figure out what's going on I guess I'll go...... READ ADAM YEAAHHHHH {side-by-side} I feel that marv town is plausible. I haven't really read the thread. Please convince me that marv is scum. This goes back to the first section (or second if you count the intro) - I don't always deliver, for better or for worse. You'll just have to take my word for it that these are repeated honest mistakes; I can't really prove the absence of any posts. And then he reiterates I'm scum. Wrongfully. Moving on to my things. First off I'm glad that marvellosity is dead, blue or not. His loss is my gain. Marvellosity has a 17-page filter and was modkilled on Page 119. If my math is right, he is responsible for approximately 1/7 of the posts in this thread. Now my reading will be 14% more effective. Also, I thought Tunkeg was town because he was the same pompous ass I played with in AoE mafia. Being replaced by Promethelax, however, casts a new light. His "effective" filter is virtually all on Page 2 and only on Page 2. On January 05 2013 05:40 Promethelax wrote: Yeah, kier this is dumb. Look at clarity. He doesn't look like town clarity. Yamato can stupid as town. Clarity screams townie usually, right now nit so much. We have approx. 3 posts talking about why Clarity is scum. This is the most informative one. Makes my case on Clarity seem like a novel. A slight defense of yamato's consistent derping (+1). Then, like my neighbor, he chooses the candidate he's voting for based on a considerable amount of evidence: On January 05 2013 06:40 Promethelax wrote: Voting bc. Fuck lynching Marv d1 after he claimed cop. And then tells people to consolidate the wagon. Of all his grievances in the game, this is the one that sets off my scumdar. This is where I read it four times and say "Wait what?" You post zero evidence and then proceed to support others posting zero evidence. Then some passive agressivism towards marvellosity, god rest his soul. Also I'm confused about him asking both candidates for D1 lynch to justify their common hatred against MZ. And then both flip blue. Wut Anyways, I'd like to round out this post by saying Promethelax is most certainly a scum I shall vote for him at my earliest convenience. this post was brought to you by lithium carbonate | ||
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On January 06 2013 04:46 Clarity_nl wrote: Which is basically a summarization of marv's case and the reason he would be a good lynch. I'm continuing on my streak of asking this question to people! Keir: What do you think of Sentinel and my case on him? I refreshed the thread every 20 minutes or so and took a dinner break. If my tone unnaturally changed throughout that post, this is why. | ||
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##Vote: Promethelax Also the fact that Tunkeg instigated the case onto himself, although with the replacement he's leaning red in retrospect to me as well | ||
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Although if we were close to outing any of them then they just hat themselves. I think lynch counts as a successful detonation, it just says "dies" there. Kurumi please explain the conditions for a bomb to go off | ||
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I think DV shouldn't be too big of an issue balance-wise. All they are doing is moving up the night to a time of their choosing. | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:17 Promethelax wrote: I still haven't given this the read through it deserves. I'll read it when I get home from work in 12 hours and give my thoughts. Sorry this is taking me so long to get to, I joined up at the worst possible part of the week for me. 12 to 13 hours I'll be back. Hold me to it. Hold me to holding you to it. I'll be up in the morning. Wait there has to be some sort of downside to this then to compensate. Now scum can just drop all 3 KP onto dayvigs unless they want to use any other role. What is this madness | ||
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I could say I'll post something but now I know what happens when I don't deliver. | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:45 Toadesstern wrote: There is NO way you lynch into the cop before lynching into the checked guy unless you got some pretty damn good reason to do so. We're talking about Jackal... You think people would have doubted WBG because of Jackals massive towncred and lynched WBG instead? Yes but you're missing the point. Even if there is 0.0001% chance we would lynch WBG it would be better than 0% if WBG is confirmed cop by death. | ||
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On January 06 2013 23:27 Promethelax wrote: I've never played with him before but I have read AoE and pyp:r. He seemed like a good but not incredible player. I have him in my mental list of mafia players on tl as 'above average' Someone who knows him better than I do (read at all) could tell you more. I agree with your read and disagree with your reasons. Don't get caught up in shitty heuristics. I played with Palmar a lot, but Palmar isn't exactly the most straightforward person... nor the most trustworthy in this game. I think I'ma take a page out of his book though and make one of those fancy spreadsheets. Maybe if I can actually read my own thoughts I can deliver them to the rest of you all better. | ||
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On January 07 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Until we kill 2 scum. With 5 scum KP is still 3. Well with 5 they can only dayvig twice and then have to kill or else buy two 0.5 roles at the cost of a dayvig. I could live with that. | ||
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On January 08 2013 05:45 Lazermonkey wrote: How is Prom town Hiro? He hasn't done shit this game but calling everyone retarded for no reason. This. I've still got him labelled as scum because ever since I called him out he hasn't made a concrete case on anyone. Maybe one paragraph in any direction and nothing to say "this person is 100% scum and you should all lynch him at your earliest convenience" If I had a gun to my head right now and was told to pick three lynch targets I would get Jackal, Prom and probably Palmar since in the end everyone he builds a case against flips blue. Time to get my spreadsheet going. | ||
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On January 08 2013 05:59 Promethelax wrote: Don't be a stupid Sent. I'm not scum. You and I are more similar than you think. No the difference is that when I'm arsed to do something and have the time I will actually go out and find something to accuse potential scum of. | ||
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On January 08 2013 06:08 Promethelax wrote: Yep, and I don't have time. I'm sitting in class and typing notes in one window and reading the thread in the other. But I play town by being involved and asking questions. I don't like to sit down and make huge cases, I'll do it once in a while but I like to find scum intuitively. And don't tell me it doesn't work. It does. I'm not arguing that. About half of that goes for me as well. The problem is that you're only pretending to be involved and you're asking for all this information without contributing anything of substance of your own. That is a scum tactic. | ||
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On January 08 2013 06:15 Lazermonkey wrote: Even if Palmar is scum, there would be no way for him to know that they are blue. they couldn't have used day cop because of KP limit. TBH, I think its crazy that people are willing to lynch Palmar just because he was pushing BC and Marv. Unless someone actually shows me that Palmar have a 100% scum hit ratio as town, I will treat this ''Palmar is never wrong as town, thus he is scum'' as total BS. 25/30 players in the game did vote for BC or Palmar and a handfull of those thought both were scum. Yet you only call Palmar scum... Not the fact that he was gunning for blues but maybe educated guesses at discussion leaders. | ||
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On January 08 2013 21:31 Clarity_nl wrote: If he's a town mason why would he not be confident that his logs "prove" him as town? That's my whole point. If he's a town mason he'd already have the logs. | ||
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On December 29 2012 02:01 Kurumi wrote: [/b][/blue]Mafia of 5 starts with 2.5KP. If they want not to use it for roles, they might deliver 3KP of damage (since KP is rounded up). Since there is no Watchers, Trackers, Bullet Bills or any other funny roles like roleblocker it doesn't matter if you do or don't decide who's delivering the KP. Clarifying | ||
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I'll update that sheet to page 175 soon I guess. Well seems I (and others) was wrong about MZ being scum. I will lynch debears now because his allegiance seems clear as diamond. Then probably Prom. Then maybe Cheesecake since he isn't being responsive to pressure. Or maybe we can just get him modkilled. It's a hope. | ||
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On January 09 2013 20:35 Clarity_nl wrote: So why the town read on him if he did nothing noteworthy? Felt a little green. | ||
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Guess its time to find that magic page again | ||
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I have decided that since jackal flipped red, cakecheese must be red as well since he has ascended to the throne of lurkmaster prime | ||
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On January 11 2013 05:18 debears wrote: so you want to lynch a confirmed red in your eyes over someone who you have no idea about? Somone who is red over someone who may or may not be red? That seems logical. | ||
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I haven't confirmed any of these three. But I feel like debears is very red, promethelax is red as well, and cheese is red but that one's a hunch since I don't have much to say other than his precision lurking | ||
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On January 11 2013 05:21 debears wrote: You said CC must be red dumbfuck Didn't see your ebwop son | ||
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On January 11 2013 05:23 debears wrote: So you don't want to lynch someone that must be red? ...I want to lynch all three of you. | ||
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On January 11 2013 05:24 debears wrote: You have not said that all three of us must be red I have not said that. On January 11 2013 05:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: My order shall be debears -> promethexlax -> cakecheese -> random I have decided that since jackal flipped red, cakecheese must be red as well since he has ascended to the throne of lurkmaster prime On January 11 2013 05:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oh. Silly me. I haven't confirmed any of these three. But I feel like debears is very red, promethelax is red as well, and cheese is red but that one's a hunch since I don't have much to say other than his precision lurking But I've never denied that I want to lynch all three of you. I'd be willing to take that chance especially for the first two, and... watching cakecheese get modkilled would also be fairly interesting. He's been effectively dead for the last few days anyway. | ||
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On January 11 2013 05:25 Djodref wrote: The problem is that he is around in British Empire Mafia apparently. He could vote if he wants to survive, but that would be claiming scum. Wait is he active in that game? Speaking of active I need to leave for the next hour ^_^ | ||
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On January 11 2013 05:29 debears wrote: Cheesecake must be red>>>>>>oh jk just a hunch That's a very odd change in opinion I'm not changing any opinions. I'm feeling both simultaneously. | ||
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Was my name seriously Vanilla Townie the Vanilla Townie | ||
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