EPTI'm "one of his suspects". I was in Hus last scum game, Parallel, too. He's not that bad to forget my meta in one game.
Also, whining about new players. You guys are pathetic.
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yamato77
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I'm "one of his suspects". I was in Hus last scum game, Parallel, too. He's not that bad to forget my meta in one game. Also, whining about new players. You guys are pathetic. | ||
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On January 09 2013 17:56 kushm4sta wrote: makes no sense. What about your meta makes you town this game? he didn't even really say why he thought you were scummy... so how can you think him thinking that makes him scum when you don't even know why I'm town in both games. It's not hard to see the similarities. Foolishness is not a bad player. The fact that he gives no reasoning is another point against him. I'm just a name he's putting out there to agree with MZ on. If he's actually getting replaced we'll see what the new guy does. | ||
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Would a town player martyr? Debears explain to me why this is similar to your town games and not the SK game we just finished. | ||
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Give me an assessment of your town play that you think you're fitting right now. | ||
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Lazy? Stupid? You do realize that you're actually hurting your own chances here. If you think I don't know your meta well enough to identify town debears, then prove me wrong. | ||
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On January 10 2013 17:29 VisceraEyes wrote: It's no longer about lazy. He admitted to coming in and saying he still wanted me and Hopeless to die in spite of not even LOOKING at the thread in however long. That is clearly anti-town and deserves rope. Not all of these players who aren't even reading the thread and haven't scumhunted in days are scum VE. What else in his posting is scummy? | ||
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There was no good reason to kill Toad. Literally all scum has to do this game is not get mod killed because town can't scumhunt for the life of them. | ||
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On January 11 2013 09:57 debears wrote: Or maybe scum are controlling the thread. Paranoia Bum bum bum To paraphrase your own words to me from your time as a coach: "If you think the scum are the ones in controlling the thread something's gone horribly wrong." Debears why aren't you town when I play with you? | ||
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I partially blame myself for this problem, because I split my attention with this and a mini and ended up spending a lot of energy trying to win the mini instead of this game. Zzz. | ||
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What killed me is that I rolled mafia for the first time ever and almost got caught, so I made a huge amount of posts and stuff up to save myself, and it worked initially. But then I was forced to continue doing so when I did have time so I didn't straight up lose, but it happened anyway. It takes a lot of work to play correctly as mafia IMO. More so than town in my experience. | ||
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You did a good job this game by choosing to be inactive and useless like most of town. It's a low-effort way for town to ignore you among the heap of players who weren't even posting. When you did post, it was pointless posting, which if I had paid more attention I might have named you scum for but there was almost no way to push a lynch in this environment. In the future when I roll scum I'm just going to troll. Apparently no one cares. | ||
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01-10-2013 07:53 PM ET (US) if we were to punish for bad play there would literally be no players left on the forum. The state of the game over the past 3 months has been so awful that it's not at all surprising that this happened. There hasn't been a normal game of this size for a while now, and it's been pretty evident through the most recent normal games that the level of play has been consistently degrading. The unfortunate fact is that many of these players (i.e. yamato) are somehow convinced that they are good enough to not have to listen to anyone or do anything beyond what they are doing already. They are convinced that the reason they lose is not because of THEIR mistakes but rather the mistakes of everyone else. The blame for this town loss rests on all of town. Sure, you might shift it proportionally more toward those who were disruptive or loud or spammed, or wanted to ragequit, but those who went inactive, made bad cases, didn't read, masoned scum, convinced other people they were good (but in reality are just as bad) and deluded themselves are just as much at fault. When literally every player in the game voted a townie on day 1 you cannot argue that people deserve bans for playing badly or "against your wincondition". Everyone did that. ------ I read this post and I feel I need to respond to it. When I play in a game of mafia, there is literally no point in saying publicly that I think I'm always wrong. I do think I am wrong almost all of the time, however. But saying so to the thread does nothing but make them think I don't want them to care about what I say, which is both anti-town and completely ignorant. So instead I act like I'm right. Because what the hell, maybe ONE TIME I might be right and I'll push a good lynch, a la YANMM where I pushed the Wiggles lynch after some sheeping of Palmar. In that game it worked. Most times it doesn't mostly because I am bad, people know I'm bad, so no one listens to me. I don't want to be responsible for ruining games for veteran players who are far better than me at this game. I want to learn it, and I think after maybe 20 games or so I might actually be useful, but in the mean time I feel like I'm discouraged in signing up to games precisely because I am bad, and am a liability to whichever team I roll. My play this game was not very good, but I think most people who have played with me before knew I was town. Yes, I had wrong reads the entire game. Yes, I posted far too much. Yes, I indeed contributed to the factors that led to town's ineffectiveness, and town's overall inability to keep up with the game. I know all of this. Perhaps this is not evident from my play, but to myself I am constantly critical. So I'm sorry, WBG, Meapak, BC, Marv. I'm bad. I played bad and I'm not entirely sure how to play better. Perhaps it's better if I don't play. | ||
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Look at who I sheeped this game on day 1. Palmar, who had led me to scum day 1 the previous game, and before that Marv, a player who I respect greatly as town. When I did it, I had a solid town read on each of them. As I mentioned in my vote post for Marv, I felt I had some decent logic as to why Scum Marv would be pushing town Palmar day 1. I didn't ever post the full case, as by the time I had conceived the entire thing Marv has already killed himself, but I will give my rundown here, as I still have the bullets in my notes. 1. Palmar is an easy target for scum to place their vote in day 1, by his and other's admission. People have the opinion of him that he acts dumb all the time day 1 as either alignment, so scum Marv could certainly have seen and taken this opportunity. 2. Palmar's case was fairly convincing to me at the time. I had a decent town read on Palmar because of the reasons I defended him early in day 1 for, and I believed that if he was town, these were his real opinions and he was good enough at the game to have the right ones. Here I trusted his judgment over my own, because my feeling before that point was that Marv was probably town due to his activity and transparency. 3. Marv's lynch targets to me were incredibly lazy and easy choices at the time. Before any flips in the game, I did not want to lynch BC or MZ at all. I posted that I thought BC was scummy for his vote on Palmar because at the time it didn't make much sense to me. I had no knowledge of BC's tendencies as town, nor his thoughts on how town should play. Regardless, I had a town read on him from our interaction in the thread and did not think Marv, a player I respected, would get a scum read from that information. It felt contrived. 4. After Palmar posted his case on Marv, Marv seemed to jump on any opportunity to lynch another player. He was "suspicious" of every other player someone thought could be lynchable, something I found to be highly scummy in that he seemed more focused on his own survival than finding scum at that point. I should have seen that town Marv doesn't want to be mislynched because he believes himself to be an asset to town, something I saw in BC's posting before he got lynched. That wax my confirmation bias kicking in. 5. Marv's claim timing annoyed me, as I pointed out in the thread. I have been taught to lynch one scum at a time, and in this game I indeed focused on the one player I found scummiest at the time. So if I were to believe him town, I had no real other options for an informed lynch decision. It wasn't his fault necessarily, it was mine, but at the time I felt that it was more likely a scum claim than a town one. 6. The content of Marv's claim also irked me. The fact that he claimed slow cop meant that we would have to wait a considerable amount of time before getting any results from him to judge his claim. Again, this was not his fault, but slow cop is inherently safe to claim as scum D1 because it gives you an entire cycle to live before you get your "results", and all scum want to do is delay their own death. 7. BC made the point that anyone defending themselves because of their usefulness to town should be lynched based on their play, not on their meta. Therefor, when Marv made that appeal, I immediately felt him more scummy for it because he openly admitted he hadn't been productive day 1. What I should have realized here was that he doesn't always have good day 1's, and by his own admittance can be useless until later on. However I did not have this information coming in and trusted Palmar's judgment on the matter, which proved to be an error. This is by no means solid proof that Marv was scum, but it included my thoughts about the game after I realized BC wasn't scum and thus could be trusted. By the time I could post it however, Marv had already announced his quitting and I had felt the game in serious decline so I neglected the effort to justify my actions further. | ||
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On January 13 2013 05:18 debears wrote: Yamato, there is one thing I want you to do from now on. Don't use meta for a while. I myself am not gonna use it until its clear that I understand it better Itll force you to become better at pure in game reads and keep you from mistakenly thinking a town player is scum just because they are playing differently Fair enough, debears. Fair enough. | ||
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