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##Vote: Jackal58
come on ve and clarity you both wanted to
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@debears I agree about djo
On January 07 2013 05:25 Djodref wrote:@ debearsI understand your concerns, but it goes all down to a time-constraint problem from my side ^^ 1)My activity is bigger in all my other games, regardless of my alignment. I was scum in Witchcraft, Mario Mini and Looney Mini and I've been pretty active as scum in these games. Here I was in the plane coming back to Korea when the game started, and I had a lot of work to do because they didn't wait for me when I was on vacation back in France. I was also jet-lagged and super tired. Like, it's 5am here, and I'm fucking awake... And I'm not usually very active on week-ends ") 2)Yeah, you cannot read  Also I didn't have so much time to take a decision at that time 3)I didn't have time to push him, I was reading the thread again to see if I didn't miss anything important. I woke up in the middle of the night to follow the game, I remind you 4)Again, lack of time from my part
djo does lack of time prevent you from forming scumreads?
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smiley djo is scum
Day 1
With his first post he comes in with a bunch of reasonable sounding fluff about all the policy lynches he doesn't agree with. He is ok with a lurker lynch, but there is nobody he thinks is scum. His next post was a defense of tunkeg... still djo doesn't have a scumread. His thrid post comes during he marv wagon, and he disagrees with the marv lynch,and lynches bc because bc is the counterwagon. (and now we know bc is town) He does not have any scumreads for all of d1 and ends up parking his vote on a townie to save another townie....
Here is what djo has to say about bc when he votes:
On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote:I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself  + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck?
Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day.
People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion.
##vote palmar
I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC
and that's the entirety of he scumhuning djo did on day 1, up until he justifies his vote for BC (a townie)
Continuation of D1's non scumhunting
After D1 djo talks about a lot of random stuff and gets into random conversations, non of them related to scumhunting. It starts with this post and ends right before this one:
On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote:I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow. I have yet to see them do proper scumhunting. I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore.
Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 20:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Agreed. I'm sitting the night out. I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to.
That's 13 posts where he isn't scumhunting, just 'participating' in the thread. And in that post where he finally calls people out as people he'd want to lynch, 2 of them (hopeless and mz) dont show up anywhere else in his filter so far. The obvious trend here is that djo hasn't been doing any scumhunting but will randomly have person(s) he wants to lynch who he's said nothing about so far.
Everything Else
Everything after the post where he calls out sentinel, mz, and hopeless is a lot like the rest of his filter. He'll get into conversations but never seems to be scumhunting or pressing reads. A lot of the time he's just arguing and giving people town reads. I also think this could be a scumslip:
On January 05 2013 22:44 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:40 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:38 Djodref wrote:On January 05 2013 22:34 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:31 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:22 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
[quote]Well I don't think scum Marv would attack MZ in the position he is in. There are several people who have posted bad up untill this point so why chose your own team mate. Yes, he COULD be bussing, but I don't think it's likely.
Have you seen marv play scum? Last game he bussed adam because he didn't expect him to get lynched, but he never flinched in the thread even as he was convincing everyone to kill his teammate day 1. Your reasoning is bad. I don't see how my reasoning is bad. Like I said myself it is possible for Marv to be bussing but he doesn't have to. And I think it's more likely tahn not that he is not. Your argument is terribad. Just because Marv bussed one in one game doesn't make it MORE likely that he is bussing than not bussing. You keep saying you "think" things without explaining why. Why do you think it's so unlikely for a scum marv to be bussing a teammate who he knows won't be lynched today, Everytime you have an answer and the answer includes "I think", try asking "why do I think that" and if that answer includes "I think" do it again. repeat this process until you reach facts or an opinion that makes bloody sense. Clarity wtf is wrong with you? So how do you KNOW that Marv is bussing? HOW DO YOU EVEN FUCKCCKCCKCKCKCKC You say it's unlikely for both to be scum, I ask you why it's unlikely for a scum marv to bus a scum MZ. It's called a hypothetical, this isn't hard In my personal experience, and I am sure you also feel this way, scum is more inclined to push townies than scum. This is not true. I don't think it's true for marv because he has to deliver, regardless of his alignment, and it's definitively not true for kush. I also like to bus by the way If this is true than I will reconsider. But the question is: is it true? I have to look it up for marv. I've heard somewhere sometime that he had been bussing almost his whole scumteam in one game. But it's definitively true for kush, and it's also true for me. That's why I really don't think kush is scum in this game by the ay.
He says he doesn't think kush is scum, because kush would be bussing.... how does he know kush isn't bussing?
+ Show Spoiler +also, smiley levels are at all time lows
TLDR: he doesn't scumhunt, ever
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kush you still lurking?how is your internet weed?
what are your scumreads now that marv is gone?
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On January 07 2013 05:48 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 05:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush you still lurking?how is your internet weed?
what are your scumreads now that marv is gone? @ thrawnAll your case can be addressed because of lack of time from my part. You know well my scum meta because you were town in both Looney Game and Witchcraft. I also hope that you have followed Mario Mini. I'm active as both alignment. But let me address your points, just give me some time, ok ?
the issue isn;t really your post count, it's that you've got low post count + no scuhunting
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On January 07 2013 06:03 kushm4sta wrote:
Scumteam:
palmar
toadstern
thrawn
supersoft
yamato
jackal
that's probably the scumteam
have you read my case on djo?
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djo that's not scumhunting...
your current scumread is mz correct? what do you make of his claim? and do you have an alternate scumread with reasons behind it, not just a lurker lynch you are ok with?
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also i don't think Lm's scum anymore. there's been too many times where his thoughts have been similar to mine concerning important events in the thread
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On January 07 2013 06:34 Foolishness wrote:
Unless someone can write a very convincing post (must be more than 2 paragraphs) we are lynching Cheescake tomorrow.
could you give a more than 2 paragraph post on why we should lynch him tomorrow with such certainty? i think he's an ok lynch but nowhere near as good as some other people who have more in their filter to judge them off of
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On January 07 2013 06:52 Djodref wrote:
@ thrawn
Regarding my 'scumslip', I know that kush isn't bussing because he changed his mind about Cheesecake at some point (or some other player, I don't remember exactly). Also he didn't give any reason for why marv was scum, even a small quote or anything like that. Even if at the time we didn't know marv's alignment, I know that kush uses his extra-knowledge as scum. He wouldn't drop a read because he would be right about CC from the beginning. He would give a small indication why marv would have been scum as well. Just like in WitchCraft when he was nit-picking my post to show the juicy part to you.
but cc hasn;t flipped yet, you are saying cc is town?
say some more stuff about kush changing his mind on whatever player you're talking about
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debears you still on? have anything to say about my djo case?
specifically the scumslip part
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On January 07 2013 08:09 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 07:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
debears you still on? have anything to say about my djo case?
specifically the scumslip part It's not a scumslip. I've already addressed it. Do you have any problems with how I've addressed it ?
On January 07 2013 07:19 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 06:52 Djodref wrote:
@ thrawn
Regarding my 'scumslip', I know that kush isn't bussing because he changed his mind about Cheesecake at some point (or some other player, I don't remember exactly). Also he didn't give any reason for why marv was scum, even a small quote or anything like that. Even if at the time we didn't know marv's alignment, I know that kush uses his extra-knowledge as scum. He wouldn't drop a read because he would be right about CC from the beginning. He would give a small indication why marv would have been scum as well. Just like in WitchCraft when he was nit-picking my post to show the juicy part to you.
but cc hasn;t flipped yet, you are saying cc is town? say some more stuff about kush changing his mind on whatever player you're talking about
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On January 08 2013 00:51 Vivax wrote:
Alright, so iamp actually referenced MZ in reply to Hiros' statement that "he" doesn't seem to be reading the thread.
It's actually not evident at all who "He" is, in this part of the thread it's like impossible to know if the people talking are actually understanding each other.
And yet, debears was immediately satisfied with iamps' answer, even though to me it looks that iamp himself misunderstood who they were talking about. And that gives me reason to believe that debears wasn't interested in pursuing iamp in the first place, he was interested in making pseudo-cases.
can you explain this like i'm 5?
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On January 08 2013 08:30 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:20 debears wrote:Scum marv busses all the time, or at least prepares for it WBG I was leaning town Look it up. They brought up how "it doesn't indicate him being scum because you can't show us how his meta his scum oriented" I rephrased what I meant multiple times, and they shut it down multiple times On January 07 2013 05:11 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey Iamp. What do you think of Djodref? I have noticed a few things that are alarming 1) His indifference to taking the helm in this game. His activity is much greater in his town games. 2) His weak reasoning for voting BC. He hides it among all the other stuff in this post, and says that the quoted post "serves mafia interest" without explaining On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote:I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck?
Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day.
People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion.
##vote palmar
I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC 3) He never pushes BC after that 4) He brings up others, yet no real reasoning On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote:I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow. I have yet to see them do proper scumhunting. I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore.
Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 20:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Agreed. I'm sitting the night out. I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to. On January 07 2013 05:31 thrawn2112 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +smiley djo is scum Day 1With his first post he comes in with a bunch of reasonable sounding fluff about all the policy lynches he doesn't agree with. He is ok with a lurker lynch, but there is nobody he thinks is scum. His next post was a defense of tunkeg... still djo doesn't have a scumread. His thrid post comes during he marv wagon, and he disagrees with the marv lynch,and lynches bc because bc is the counterwagon. (and now we know bc is town) He does not have any scumreads for all of d1 and ends up parking his vote on a townie to save another townie.... Here is what djo has to say about bc when he votes: On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote:I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck?
Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day.
People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion.
##vote palmar
I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC and that's the entirety of he scumhuning djo did on day 1, up until he justifies his vote for BC (a townie) Continuation of D1's non scumhuntingAfter D1 djo talks about a lot of random stuff and gets into random conversations, non of them related to scumhunting. It starts with this post and ends right before this one: On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote:I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow. I have yet to see them do proper scumhunting. I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore.
Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 20:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Agreed. I'm sitting the night out. I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to. That's 13 posts where he isn't scumhunting, just 'participating' in the thread. And in that post where he finally calls people out as people he'd want to lynch, 2 of them (hopeless and mz) dont show up anywhere else in his filter so far. The obvious trend here is that djo hasn't been doing any scumhunting but will randomly have person(s) he wants to lynch who he's said nothing about so far. Everything ElseEverything after the post where he calls out sentinel, mz, and hopeless is a lot like the rest of his filter. He'll get into conversations but never seems to be scumhunting or pressing reads. A lot of the time he's just arguing and giving people town reads. I also think this could be a scumslip: On January 05 2013 22:44 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:40 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:38 Djodref wrote:On January 05 2013 22:34 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:31 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:22 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
[quote]Well I don't think scum Marv would attack MZ in the position he is in. There are several people who have posted bad up untill this point so why chose your own team mate. Yes, he COULD be bussing, but I don't think it's likely.
Have you seen marv play scum? Last game he bussed adam because he didn't expect him to get lynched, but he never flinched in the thread even as he was convincing everyone to kill his teammate day 1. Your reasoning is bad. I don't see how my reasoning is bad. Like I said myself it is possible for Marv to be bussing but he doesn't have to. And I think it's more likely tahn not that he is not. Your argument is terribad. Just because Marv bussed one in one game doesn't make it MORE likely that he is bussing than not bussing. You keep saying you "think" things without explaining why. Why do you think it's so unlikely for a scum marv to be bussing a teammate who he knows won't be lynched today, Everytime you have an answer and the answer includes "I think", try asking "why do I think that" and if that answer includes "I think" do it again. repeat this process until you reach facts or an opinion that makes bloody sense. Clarity wtf is wrong with you? So how do you KNOW that Marv is bussing? HOW DO YOU EVEN FUCKCCKCCKCKCKCKC You say it's unlikely for both to be scum, I ask you why it's unlikely for a scum marv to bus a scum MZ. It's called a hypothetical, this isn't hard In my personal experience, and I am sure you also feel this way, scum is more inclined to push townies than scum. This is not true. I don't think it's true for marv because he has to deliver, regardless of his alignment, and it's definitively not true for kush. I also like to bus by the way If this is true than I will reconsider. But the question is: is it true? I have to look it up for marv. I've heard somewhere sometime that he had been bussing almost his whole scumteam in one game. But it's definitively true for kush, and it's also true for me. That's why I really don't think kush is scum in this game by the ay. He says he doesn't think kush is scum, because kush would be bussing.... how does he know kush isn't bussing? + Show Spoiler +also, smiley levels are at all time lows TLDR: he doesn't scumhunt, ever He displayed a decently lengthed case 20 minutes after I posted my original suspicions. So, within 20 minutes, he had to see my case, determine if it's good, and suddenly write up something about you if he was scum. I don't see him doing that that easily About thrawn, does that make him scum in your eyes ? What about the rest of his filter ?
djo are you reading? i got the opposite read from debears' post
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I'm wary of the cheesecake lynch because i've seen a few people already talk about it as if it's the only possible alternative for tomorrow. also, i have not so good memories of certain things about his town play in withcraft that make me think this is jerk-town-cheesecake
basically in witchcraft, every time he got attacked for questioned on his logic he clammed up even more and turned into more of a jerk... he seemed to be purposefully using shitty logic for whatever anti-town reason and I was like 90% he was scum the whole game cuz of it. i'm suspecting that this game might be a continuation of that. if we cant lynch a real candidate (someone who has enough of a filter to make reads from) i'll take him over a no lynch.
still want to lynch djo. the mz/foolish/supersoft situation is interesting but i wanna see whatever logs come out of that first
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super... what are your first impressions of mz based on yall's talks so far?
mz same question
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On January 08 2013 08:57 Djodref wrote:@ thrawnI think I've addressed your concerns already. Could you please make a short list of the points you still have against me so I can defend myself properly ? Also, I would like to know why your activity in this game is lower than usual
there is no scumhunting at all in your d1 filter, and it continued with you participating in conversations but not doing anything relating to scumhunting. i'm guessing that you will say that you having low activitey is a null tell, but you can have low activity and still appear suspiscious of people, which you didn't
and i still think that scumslip is probably a scumslip
On January 08 2013 08:58 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: I also want to know when you started to write your case against me
a little before debears posted his
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On January 08 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 08 2013 08:57 Djodref wrote:@ thrawnI think I've addressed your concerns already. Could you please make a short list of the points you still have against me so I can defend myself properly ? Also, I would like to know why your activity in this game is lower than usual there is no scumhunting at all in your d1 filter, and it continued with you participating in conversations but not doing anything relating to scumhunting. i'm guessing that you will say that you having low activitey is a null tell, but you can have low activity and still appear suspicious of people, which you didn't and i still think that scumslip is probably a scumslip On January 08 2013 08:58 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: I also want to know when you started to write your case against me a little before debears posted his @ thrawnI didn't have enough time to catch up and have decent scumreads. And I didn't want to appear suspicious just for the sake of appearing suspicious. That's what scum is doing, not town. Honestly, I was just sheeping the cases wich in found decent at that time. Which scumslip are you talking of ? The thing about Cheese or the thing about kush ? I have addressed both of them. Also you should know that 'scumslips' aren't a good way of finding scum, after WitchCraft ^^
yes the kush/cc thing. the entire issue was about you having a town read on kush because you dont think he's bussing at an early early point in the game where you shouldn't be able to decide on something like that.
On January 08 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote:
And I still want to know why you are less active than usual, are you avoiding to answer ?
because it's either a dumb or scummy question. my activity is lower... do you actually care what my irl reasons are? it looks like you're trying to suggest i'm scum without doing so by asking that. what's your actual read on me? a few pages ago you seemed to be egging debears on trying to see if he'll say i'm scum without actually pushing the read yourself.
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