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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On January 07 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Until we kill 2 scum. With 5 scum KP is still 3. Well with 5 they can only dayvig twice and then have to kill or else buy two 0.5 roles at the cost of a dayvig. I could live with that. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 07 2013 06:34 Foolishness wrote: Unless someone can write a very convincing post (must be more than 2 paragraphs) we are lynching Cheescake tomorrow. could you give a more than 2 paragraph post on why we should lynch him tomorrow with such certainty? i think he's an ok lynch but nowhere near as good as some other people who have more in their filter to judge them off of | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Hiro blending in like a boss Before you read my case, I recommend you to check Hiro's filter. It's not that long so you can make an idea of him for yourself before reading this thread. I also recommend you to read Hiro's filer in the Looney Lynching Mini to give you an idea of his scumplay. My point here is that I don't think that mafia did anything on D1. I'm not sure about Palmar, because he looked very convinced that marv was scum, so I have still him as town, but I'm waiting to see if he can deliver more and simply get killed. But if Palmar is town, mafia had absolutely nothing to do during D1 because the lynch was town/town lynch. So, let's have a look at Hiro. This guy is just blending in. He is also showing extra knowledge about what the mafia is going to do. So, Hiro is making comments here and there, asking some questions, but not really strongly pushing anyone, at the exception of froggy, who he dropped at som point. He is taking the backseat. This is quite similar to his play in the Looney Lynching. I find the reason why he dropped froggy very strange. The timing also. On January 05 2013 02:40 HiroPro wrote: froggynoddy looks more town to me now that he's stopped being infatuated with Tunkeg. Deciding between BC, Toad, and marv right now. He stopped his tunnel when marv and BC start to get in the spotlight. Also he attacks marv for claiming, while keeping his vote on BC. Good job at discrediting one town while lynching the other. On January 05 2013 06:25 HiroPro wrote: w/e, your claim doesn't mean anything. I don't understand why you would claim. What I find very suspicious also in Hiro's posts is the following comments. If I'm right about MZ being a scum mason, I think that this shows that Hiro has extra knowledge about how the KP works. Because the rounded-up part in he OP is different ! This is what the OP says. Mafia KP is # of Mafia /2 rounded up. There are 6 members of Mafia, starting KP is equal to 3. And look at that post of Hiro just one minute after the deadline. On January 06 2013 07:01 HiroPro wrote: Day vigi shots will be happening soon i expect. Hiro knew day vigs were going to happen. Don't get WIFOMED by that post ^^ I think that Hiro is scum, along with MZ and Jackal. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
@ iamp So what to you think about this ? MZ is scum mason, hoping that the KP usage for the masonry gets unnoticed because of this trick. That's why you got shot at night and not by a dayvig ! | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 07 2013 06:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Well with 5 they can only dayvig twice and then have to kill or else buy two 0.5 roles at the cost of a dayvig. I could live with that. What? KP is still 3 with 5 scum...meaning they can dayvig twice, buy a .5 and NK the same way (we're assuming) they did last night. Being down one means nothing in terms of what they can do...it's not until they're down two that they're impeded in any way. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Regarding my 'scumslip', I know that kush isn't bussing because he changed his mind about Cheesecake at some point (or some other player, I don't remember exactly). Also he didn't give any reason for why marv was scum, even a small quote or anything like that. Even if at the time we didn't know marv's alignment, I know that kush uses his extra-knowledge as scum. He wouldn't drop a read because he would be right about CC from the beginning. He would give a small indication why marv would have been scum as well. Just like in WitchCraft when he was nit-picking my post to show the juicy part to you. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 07 2013 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote: What? KP is still 3 with 5 scum...meaning they can dayvig twice, buy a .5 and NK the same way (we're assuming) they did last night. Being down one means nothing in terms of what they can do...it's not until they're down two that they're impeded in any way. @ VE What do you think of my case against Hiro ? | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Witchcraft MINI Mafia Newbie MINI Mafia XXXII The first thing one should immediately notice is the amount of times he's posting. In a 13 player game he had an outstanding 23 pages of filter. In a 9 player game (the Newbie game) he had 7 pages of filter in the first cycle (he was killed night 1). This is a guy who likes to post. He likes to be a Bill Murray or Coagulation. He wants to post and respond to everything that's going on. I shouldn't need to tell you that this game he hasn't even had a full page of posts yet. Though his filter has been mostly one liners it's clear that he does not care about this game. His second most recent post is this: On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too. Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work. And he never followed through on his "cooking up". He admitted in one of his earlier posts that he's not contributing: On January 04 2013 02:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Dat feel when waking up at noon. Perfection timing I guess. In b4 "omg active lurking" Yes I'm not contributing. @Anyone who knows about Palmar Does stupid / dick Palmar = scum Palmar? Totally cool if we're going to lynch him for trolling. It'd make waking up heck of a less daunting task. Although I'm curious how my lynch wagon will air-out, I think it could produce some interesting results. Sheep the vote on me. As for my vote today -- bouncing between Palmar (prolly not) and some random Bob in the lurking zone. Tunkeg's lynch I can't see being built around anything serious. @VE Did you seriously warrant my vote based on a pre-game comment? Hehehe. But yes, I did go to sleep. For like 12 hours it was pretty epic laziness. Sheep my lynch guys, gogo. But he hasn't done anything to try to redeem himself. He does not care. His taunting of us to sheep his lynch is also very disturbing. It doesn't accomplish anything for the town. He did it in the above post and in the following: On January 05 2013 03:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ##vote: marv Because sheeping dibbers and phone posting / not reading thread. In b4 im scum. What is the purpose of him doing that? It does nothing except draw attention away from himself. He doesn't want attention drawn to himself. He doesn't want anyone calling him out. He does it to make us scared of calling him scum. He wants out of the spotlight because he is mafia. In the two games he was town I put above, you can clearly see how vested he is in the game. Take one of his posts from witchcraft mini + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2012 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: THIS WAS TYPED UP QUICKLY, DON'T EXPECT TOO MUCH ORGANIZATION, BUT MY OPINION STANDS. I'M ABOUT TO ASK KUSH TO VOTE JX WITH ME. HE KNOWS HE WILL FLIP TOWN. THEN TOWN LYNCHES ME / DJO = SCUMWIN. IF KUSH VOTES WITH ME FOR JX -- EYWA / KUSH SCUMTEAM GG Don't flatter yourself. The only thing I saw was a meta case which was questionable and his reluctance to lynch DYH. I truly believe Djo is Innocent, I cannot pair him up with a scumbuddy. Do JX / Eywa make sense? No, he's pushed for the lynch of JX hardcore and flamed with Eywa, who even called him part of the scumteam. Do I make sense? Yes, I do, but I'm town. Djo's only "scummy quality" is his reluctance to lynch DYH. That's it. If I recall, didn't KUSH actively attempt to PREVENT the DYH lynch? Trying to protect his scumbuddy. FAKECLAIM! Calling it right now. You want to know why he was SAFE to fakeclaim? Nobody else claimed. He was trying to see if any town were empowered by witchcraft. Thrawn also was likely to be witchcrafted, since I think at least 2 people voted for him. He also knows that at least I voted for him. He is completely safe to make this fakeclaim -- A scry on DYH. And DYH just happened to be the priest, how convenient. The entire situation just seems to convenient for Kush. He didn't even breadcrumb the god-damned check. Then, he tries to push a mislynch, JX. Look at his reasons for voting JX... 100% knew morb was town... SO DID EYWA. Cases built on terrible reasoning... EYWA MORESO. Why does he want to lynch JX over Eywa? Because he's his scumbuddy. Look at his hard-defense of Eywa. Think about it: Does Kush EVER defend people like this? First time forum mafia game my ass, so what. Normal Kush wouldn't give a damn. Kush's case on Djo is OKAY to say the least, but it hinges on only one thing: reluctance to lynch DYH. Kush was SO MUCH MORE reluctant, trying to push another mislynch, and only bussing at the very last second. Why does he think Eywa is town?? Mad that he's getting pressured? Eywa Kush scumteam. And look at this BS: Let's see, everyone that is dead and someone that claims to have powers. lol. DJO HAS PUSHED JX ALL GAME LONG HOW CAN THEY BE SCUMTEAM?!!? Anyone that's not Eywa. Eywa / Kush scumteam. Kush has done nothing this game besides push for the lynch of Djo and hard defend Eywa. This fakeclaim bullshit shouldn't instantly make him town. Both Eywa and Kush fit the profile of not wanting to lynch DYH. Kush hard defends Eywa, and attacks Djo for acting the SAME exact way he was during the lynch. Kush never pushes Eywa despite him doing the exact same "scummy things" as JieXian. I can't emphasize how badly I think they are scumteam. Eywa / JX makes sense, so does Kush / Eywa. Gotta lynch me a Eywa today. I can't put together any scumteam that excludes Eywa. My vote stays. I'll go Kush if possible, but Eywa is friggen 100% scum. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Eywa EYWA + KUSH SCUMTEAM DIE DIE DIE Ask me anything about this scumteam right here. I've got more ammo in the chamber for any questions. Kill them. Look how excited he is. "THIS IS THE SCUM TEAM GG", "DIE DIE DIE". He's excited to play mafia, more evident by the fact that he posts nonstop. He makes the infrequent long post like the one above calling out his reads. He helps and contributes, and most importantly he speaks exactly what is on his mind. He was never afraid to post before, yet this game he is. Mr. Cheesecake is mafia. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Yeah MZ claim is funny. I can't imagine why a town Mason MZ would wait until night to mason someone (which is what I'm assuming happened based on his "Hey maybe I'll mason YOU next night cycle", especially if he has multiple uses (again, based on him saying he'll mason someone else later.) Like, obviously he's free to play whatever role he has however he wishes, but for my part I have a hard time believing that he would have waited until night with multiple uses. So yeah, I don't believe he's a town mason if he's actually masoned with someone. DayVig Speed The idea that the speed of the DayVig has ANYTHING to do with Bugs' reads is not likely in my opinion. I'm guessing scum just planned to take out claimers with the Vig shots. They're guaranteed to hit blues that way (assuming town blue claims aren't fake). Moving Forward We all need to be more active. I'm as guilty of being inactive as anyone, and I hope to fix mine over the course of the next couple of days. Scum are literally getting a free ride. I suggest that we ignore Chezinu for the time being - when he has something useful to say, he can say it in plain words or not say it at all as far as I'm concerned. Town is in a bad way and I prefer we're all on the same page. Today's Lynch Is Jackal. I don't remember who suggested otherwise (maybe Hopeless? Clarity?) but we should take out Jackal ASAPly. Just throwin that out there - delaying him accomplishes nothing. PEdit: I haven't read it Djo...gonna do so and get back with you. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Honestly, there's not much there. First of all, the whole "KP are rounded up" thing is IN the OP. I don't understand what extra information you're saying Hiro has to have to make that correction, but the KP formula is in the OP so that whole point doesn't make sense to me. The froggy thing is also strange, but mostly because I had a similar thought process. At the time, I was about sure Tunkeg was town based on the vehemence of his posting and general unpleasantness...angry townies lynch people, so if Tunkeg were scum I'd think he'd be more afraid of posting like a jerkwad. Anyone tunneling Tunkeg D1 was pretty suspicious to me for this reason...so it's not unreasonable to me that Hiro saying that someone coming out of a Tunkeg tunnel gets townpoints. The point about him discrediting one townie while lynching another is a good point though. This and him blending in are the points I agree with in your case. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Djo's Hiro Case Honestly, there's not much there. First of all, the whole "KP are rounded up" thing is IN the OP. I don't understand what extra information you're saying Hiro has to have to make that correction, but the KP formula is in the OP so that whole point doesn't make sense to me. The froggy thing is also strange, but mostly because I had a similar thought process. At the time, I was about sure Tunkeg was town based on the vehemence of his posting and general unpleasantness...angry townies lynch people, so if Tunkeg were scum I'd think he'd be more afraid of posting like a jerkwad. Anyone tunneling Tunkeg D1 was pretty suspicious to me for this reason...so it's not unreasonable to me that Hiro saying that someone coming out of a Tunkeg tunnel gets townpoints. The point about him discrediting one townie while lynching another is a good point though. This and him blending in are the points I agree with in your case. The thing about the KP being rounded-up is that the OP mentions only the formula for the total KP scum is having at his disposition. What we didn't know is that the remaining KP was also rounded-up. And Hiro was knowing this ! Look the nested quote, he was saying that marvellosity claim was not a problem for scum because they could RB him and still have 3 KP, which shows that he knows how to use mafia KP ! | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 07 2013 06:52 Djodref wrote: @ thrawn Regarding my 'scumslip', I know that kush isn't bussing because he changed his mind about Cheesecake at some point (or some other player, I don't remember exactly). Also he didn't give any reason for why marv was scum, even a small quote or anything like that. Even if at the time we didn't know marv's alignment, I know that kush uses his extra-knowledge as scum. He wouldn't drop a read because he would be right about CC from the beginning. He would give a small indication why marv would have been scum as well. Just like in WitchCraft when he was nit-picking my post to show the juicy part to you. but cc hasn;t flipped yet, you are saying cc is town? say some more stuff about kush changing his mind on whatever player you're talking about | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Can I assume that you think this activity tell makes Cheesecake a stronger candidate than MZ? From my perspective they both give equal (read: zero) shits about helping town. What do you think about MZ? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:19 Djodref wrote: The thing about the KP being rounded-up is that the OP mentions only the formula for the total KP scum is having at his disposition. What we didn't know is that the remaining KP was also rounded-up. And Hiro was knowing this ! Look the nested quote, he was saying that marvellosity claim was not a problem for scum because they could RB him and still have 3 KP, which shows that he knows how to use mafia KP ! Kurumi explained it later in the thread. On December 29 2012 02:01 Kurumi wrote: Mafia can at any point abstain from using their KP. They can even shoot team mates if they so desire. You can do both actions because you're crafty and night is quite long during the winter. You CAN'T attack with 0.5 KP(because you do have a full 1). Mafia of 5 starts with 2.5KP. If they want not to use it for roles, they might deliver 3KP of damage (since KP is rounded up). Since there is no Watchers, Trackers, Bullet Bills or any other funny roles like roleblocker it doesn't matter if you do or don't decide who's delivering the KP. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
What you were saying is that they could use it for one role, and still get the 3 KP because the remaining part gets round-up. And I think that only mafia has this information. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On January 07 2013 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote: What? KP is still 3 with 5 scum...meaning they can dayvig twice, buy a .5 and NK the same way (we're assuming) they did last night. Being down one means nothing in terms of what they can do...it's not until they're down two that they're impeded in any way. This is wrong. They'll have 2.5 and then be rounded after they use whatever powers they choose to sac for. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:30 Djodref wrote: He said "if they want not to use it for roles" What you were saying is that they could use it for one role, and still get the 3 KP because the remaining part gets round-up. And I think that only mafia has this information. Im going to help you learn how to read since Im feeling nice. You CAN'T attack with 0.5 KP(because you do have a full 1). | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
I f I HAVE to deliver the KP, can I do other things as well? Example: 1KP left, I want to sac 0.5KP for a PR and still punch someone for 0.5KP worth of damage. Can I do both | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
specifically the scumslip part | ||
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