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On September 30 2012 07:22 GreYMisT wrote: Game start delayed by 1 hour. Sorry for the delay ##vote: GreYMisT | ||
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anyway i am town and actually intend to put a lot of effort and thought into this game. I feel that the only person I havent played with(?) or atleast recognize them is crossfire99. I will be reading up on him(her?) game history now | ||
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someone that has played in the past aperture game, what was crucial to town winning? | ||
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any thoughts to possible scum/town breakdowns? 10/3 9/4 9/2/2? | ||
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And i forgot about 3rd party so yeah that's possible too | ||
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On September 30 2012 10:44 austinmcc wrote: Because there's no need to say "mafia/2 rounded up" if there are only 2 mafia. It'd always be 1 KP. It allows for either to be possible... | ||
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On September 30 2012 11:21 Keirathi wrote: So lets get this game really started: Mattchew I'm sure he has some town games somewhere in his filter, but every game I've seen him play in recent memory he's been scum (I Can't Believe Its Not Themed, DBZ, LVII). So what has he done this game? Claimed town. fluff no, asked a question about a previous town, because they won in the first version of this themed game. It was a real question because its a super big long and complex game that I don't feel like reading. I wanted to know if I should be expecting a game based more on roles and abilities. Started some pointless setup talk that hasn't actually generated useful discussion. I don't see any way that speculating on scum team/third party numbers is working towards finding scum. It's just bullshit to fill up the thread, and everyone regardless of alignment can reasonably comment on it. So yea, I'm thinking Mattchew rolled scum yet again. ##Vote: Mattchew The question I asked was not meant to be the discussion point but does serve its purpose because if we are up against 2 teams of 2 scum will play extremely different than if they were all on 1 team. Keirathi, I need to look into you more as well... do you have any games as scum? | ||
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i think you play a little funny... my initial reaction was to call you scum because I feel like that case on me felt really forced but after looking at some of your previous play you seem way more careful than that as scum in gsl... I believe your case is now just bad, based on logic from a newbie game. I still use early game scum hunting tactics similar to what you did which is why I took my response seriously. | ||
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On September 30 2012 13:01 Keirathi wrote: Of course my case is bad. I certainly don't think you are scum for something so...inconsequential. But this thread needed to move past setup speculation and into people giving real, meaningful opinions and thoughts that they can be held accountable for. Although, I was hoping that other people would weigh in on it before you responded ##Unovte For completeness sake, though, I did go back through all of your games up to Movie Star, and the only pattern was that you seem to claim town if you get into the thread early, and otherwise say you are catching up and reading the thread in your first post you admit your case is bad, which lacks confidence and is passive. if this was a plan, I don't see the town benefit by revealing it so quickly, and I don't see the town benefit to letting it play out either. Its easy to say you wanted to promote non-setup discussion; but if you were leading a discussion based off of admittedly bad logic that is just as bad for town if not worse because of the alignment implications. By revealing your hand so quickly you didn't allow for the discussion to shift. its super easy to now say told ya so, but in reality you didn't know where discussion would head when you admitted your plan. also, you used a lot of smiley faces in your passive post making it even more passive and scummy | ||
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On October 01 2012 05:38 JingleHell wrote: Oh, so you acknowledge that your "case" against me would work similarly against yourself? Good, I'll just ignore you. If it was somehow ambiguous, I found Draz suspicious in that he seemed to have just assumed a specific subset of non-town for Keirathi. Generally, if I see something as anti-town, I don't go saying "Oh, he must be third party". Why? Because scum is anti-town. Making a faction based guess, especially in a closed setup, beyond saying "X is acting anti-town" sounds like you're privy to some knowledge about factions, and it's probably a little early for that. insta-delurk. actively lurking is cool ##vote: JingleHell | ||
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I believe iamperfection is scum and I would like everyone to click on his filter On October 01 2012 05:43 iamperfection wrote: We are seriously going to allow this crap? Ive played about 6 games of tl mafia and this is the biggest pile of crap ive seen yet. ## Vote ghost_403 This post clearly mis-reads what ghost is trying to say and jumps on him with a hyperbole and what feels like a very fake sense of confidence. The way this post is worded is not as much anger as much as it reads "grab your pitchforks and bandwagon with me" After this, his teeth are sunk into ghost, and he is afraid to move. He also has failed to comment on literally anyone else in the thread. His reasoning is bad, his contributions are next to nothing. Honestly I don't think anything more needs to be written. Enough time has past for iamperfection to comment on other players, or contribute to actual discussion. His reasoning for pushing a ghost lynch is bad and grasping at straws. ##unvote ##vote Iamperfection S&B is probably not scum because he is confused on his read on me but has a direction on the basis of that. + Show Spoiler + On October 01 2012 04:46 ghost_403 wrote: Hiro goes on my town list because no anti-town faction would be dumb enough to say that. Still wanna lynch Keirathi. Ghost is correct in this response. Scum would probably make an excuse or pull a read out of their hat. Hiro is too confident in his statement to be scum imo. Also, I dont find anything scummy about ghost's play. He wasn't saying that keirathi was trying too hard overall, he said keirathi was forcing effort in order to look townie. Huge difference. I am heavily underwhelmed by crossfire's play. Jinglehell I dont want dead as bad as I did before. His actively lurking and woe is me attitude dont give me good feelings, however he is explaining his thought process pretty thoroughly which is really hard to do as scum. I am not getting a filtered or nervous feeling (of him writing his thoughts) from his posting. Keirathi is another person of interest still. I think austin did a very good job pointing out the inconsistencies in his said-plan and his actual actions. | ||
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On October 01 2012 23:45 Drazerk wrote: If we don't lynch S+B my next target would probably be JH because I just hate the wounded survivor act but its not really telling of alignment. I would like you to completely drop S&B from your vocab until tomorrow and literally forget he is in the game. I think this will improve your play and allow you to look at the game better. | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:43 austinmcc wrote: Oh noes, I forgot. ##Vote: iamperfection Sorry about that. ##Unvote Why am I voting iamperfection over others? He, ghost, and nisani all seem in the same boat where they just dropped votes on someone for weak reasoning and left. Between them, we can't have the whole time, but I like finding a mafia in there. iamperfection doesn't seem to care about anything other than ghost's vote ghost doesn't seem to care about anything other than keirathi's early game effort and...HiroPro? While I agree that the hiro = town comment doesn't feel scummy, how is ghost as a scum player? Half of his posts are just questions to HiroPro and then ducking out. I don't see a scum agenda behind what he asked and what hero answered, it was just "what is happening/what are your reads," but I dislike that he only engages a single person in the thread. Actually hadn't noticed the odd amount of hiro-only posts considering the size of his filter. nisani hasn't done anything since Drazerk reacted to Keirathi's initial unvote. Actually...nisani reads the towniest of the three to me? doesn't flip out when someone is looking at him. Gives some thoughts on other players, although they're tremendously small. Seriously. That post, that tiny answer, is basically the towniest thing I find in any of those three filters. Why am I lynching iamperfection over the other two? I don't give ghost as many town points as you do for his hiro post, and I find his hiro fascination odd. I'm more concerned with JH. I think you were right in noting that he de-lurked right after getting called out. But where you say he's explaining this thought process thoroughly, I disagree. I'm not sure I get the change between PTP3 and here, maybe I didn't read the early days of PTP3 close enough to see this, but I remember JH in PTP3 being standoffish and unwilling to do anything but push single players. Being passive certainly provides an alternative playstyle to that, but it's not actually...doing anything. It doesn't seem to actually be BETTER or anything than PTP3 JH, and I'd expect someone who was unhappy with a bad performance to want to follow it up with a good performance, which this isn't. This is just excuses for NO performance. ghost has provided opinions confidently. Do you feel that he is hiding something or just doesnt care about adding in extended explainations? Nisani is more of a meta read for me, but I see him play like this a decent amount Iamperfection is purposefully ignoring the rest of the thread and is not trying to actually help town with anything useful or anything that resembles effort. JH as i have said, is a lynch I would support but I would much rather lynch iamperfection | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:43 Keirathi wrote: I already did. His whole reasoning for voting me was because I "looked through filters. and townies don't put in that much effort early in day 1". Which is such bullshit reasoning, that I can't even fathom a motivation for making it outside of VI. if you dont think ghost is an idiot you should try to extract the actual meaning from his posts than to just take them at hastey face value. He is saying, and I agree with, that your early "case" seemed forced and that you were faking putting in that much effort. You even agree with this when you admitted your case was bad and just meant for discussion. do you have anything else or is your entire read based on failed reading comprehension? | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:20 Drazerk wrote: Does anyone think the JH lynch feels off to anyone else? I can't put my finger on it... it just feels wrong try and explain why it feels off this post sucks unless you do.. go gonzaw mode and just post everything you are thinking on the matter | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:12 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: I guess he could have meant that he thought I was faking the effort and just making bullshit up. But that's demonstrably not the case. this is funny cause you were faking effort and making bullshit up as you admitted | ||
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lets expand on this... what do you think of his contributions to the game. What do you think of his read on ghost? Do you agree with his reasoning? What would make you think he is town? | ||
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On October 02 2012 07:47 Keirathi wrote: So lets get down to the current candidates: iamperfection I've said it many times. His demeanor is entirely different than his scum demeanor, and almost exactly the same as his townie demeanor. Yes, its a meta read, but one I'm comfortable not voting today. His lurking I don't find particularly scummy either, because he has 3 games going at the same time and is posting about the same amount in all of them. Drazerk Null, maybe leaning slightly town, because of his interactions with me earlier in the game. He had ample opportunity to push me if he was scum, but instead carried on a conversation explaining his thought process. I don't like his interactions with S&B, because they feel full of confirmation bias from a past dispute, which has pulled him back down closer to null. And obviously I'm not going to be voting for myself. I've tried to be open with my thought processes and stayed active when it would have been much easier to lurk along with most of the town. I just flat-out don't have anyone that I have a strong enough scumread and enough supporting evidence of the read to push a lynch on. If you want to lynch me for being indecisive, then there's not really much I can do about that. I've been trying to engage people and gather their reactions and give opinions, but I can't magically make up a case. So honestly I think there's a good chance that the top 3 candidates are all town and scum is having a hay-day. if you honestly feel this way you need to man the f' up and push a lynch candidate you think will flip scum. you haven't pushed jack shit also this post just reeks of having more information than me because you can't explain your reads more than saying the word meta. show me the difference and explain it fully. | ||
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On October 03 2012 02:29 Drazerk wrote: gonzaw I am the king of bussing if anything S+B flipping scum would make me look worse ehem | ||
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On October 03 2012 02:44 Drazerk wrote: I tried to take the mafia KP and shoot scum with it... i've done this as well back on topic, i'll make a post about stuff later | ||
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On October 03 2012 07:10 JingleHell wrote: OOOH Your first post directed at me was calling me scummy, claiming that missing part of the first half of D1 was active lurking! LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH!! lol going to eat dinner.. ill post when i finsih | ||
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On October 03 2012 08:04 HiroPro wrote: hm. nisani and s&b, what are your biggest scum reads? austin, I'd like to see a response to Mementoss's post on you. honestly i dont think a scum austin is bold enough to shoot mementoss | ||
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On October 03 2012 08:07 HiroPro wrote: why not? its wifom but just a gut feeling | ||
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On October 03 2012 08:20 JingleHell wrote: Mattchew, why not Gonzaw? As Memen said, austin DID explain a lot of those things, he just thought they were justification. I can't be sure one way or the other with austin, he's given alternately scummy and towny vibes to me. When I get back from TKD, I'll try and take a better look through. Got to leave soonish, and there's a bit to wade through, and context will probably matter. i just find it very strange how quickly you are willing to jump on gonzaw cause of meme pushing him, while not jumping on austin for the same reason.. | ||
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Mattchew Crossfire99 - coffin'd iamperf Ghost - cause of iamperf's pushing, i looked at iamperf's profile and i think this was his first scum game and my own read Not lynching today Hiro - other vote on iamperf SNB - I have a decently strong town read on SNB Gonzaw - His posting displays his thought process and a ton of second guessing himself, i feel this is very very (if not impossible) to fake as scum when you actually have more information than town. Probably wouldn't lynch Keirathi - I honestly don't think he would have been that vehemently opposed to a The austin/draz category cause he's left over and i don't have a read Drazerk - because it wouldn't be based on a real read, it would just be based on Austin - cause im lazy and not reading into him Who we should be lynching Jinglehell - tried to push me as scum based on my case on iamperf. I feel like this was more of an attempt to discredit me and the case I made than an actual push on me. Also, he gets really mad at gonzaw. He also is proven to be actively lurking on multiple occasions now Nisani - cause he's scum + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 06:33 Nisani201 wrote: Alright I've finally caught up on the thread. First of all, I understand what jingle is saying about being discouraged to be aggressive because of playing a lot of shitty games. I've played plenty of bad games as town and they don't push me to play better. See learned helplessness. I also think it's unfair to call out Jingle for not scumhunting because he's been under fire this entire game. I don't think he's scum. I'm null on perfection-- I don't like how he's only talking about ghost but other than that he doesn't have anything else scummy about him. I'd like to hear about his reads on other people. I still don't understand why we're letting Drazerk get away with playing an incredibly shitty game. He has *way* too many null reads and is barely contributing. I'm going to keep my vote on him. I mean just look through his filter and you'll see how little he's contributed. Gonzaw is someone I'm going to spend some more time looking into. Something feels off about him. ##vote Nisani201 | ||
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Because I know most of you are too lazy to go click on his damn filter I will basically be posting all of it here. First, his intense focus on draz. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2012 22:52 strongandbig wrote: Why does Drazerk want to lynch survivors day1? On September 30 2012 22:52 strongandbig wrote: Or at all? On October 01 2012 12:03 strongandbig wrote: Hey guys So I'm just checking in I call Drazerk out for scummy play He says "I play like this always so you can't call me out for it" My response: okay so we lynch you for it, you know it's scummy play but you do it anyway. When is the deadline? On October 01 2012 14:25 strongandbig wrote: here's what im thinking right now hiro might be scum because he's posted a lot of small one-liners and asked a bunch of questions but not actually contributed much of anything of his own in terms of reads or analysis. drazerk might be scum because he switched his read from keirathi to me for little reason. not giving any reason why he unvoted keirathi shows that he doesn't really care about who he votes for, he just wants to push the thread around. he knows that he and i often get into shitfights and it's advantageous for him as scum to try and start one, as long as he thinks i won't be able to push a scum read on him through, which he probably does because he's arrogant. the thing is - his argument works both ways around - he says that I should know he doesn't actually try to win as town, but he focuses on third party, so my calling him out for that makes me scum. The thing is, I call him out for that every game - his attempting to call me out on it this game for being scum makes no sense. he's trying to use circular logic but it backfired. mattchew is sort of trying to scumhunt. this is very helpful in narrowing down his playstyle. he's either doing his bus-all-the-scum scum routine, or he's actually townie. mattchew very rarely makes up fake scum reads on town players when he's scum, he either posts cases on his teammates or just lurks the shit out of everything. so what that means is you can put a high amount of trust that his reads are genuine - he's either bussing or actually trying to find scum. crossfire99 - pretty focused on drazerk nisani - lol. what a "case". also ##vote: drazerk I think he's probably scum and I want him out of this game. He tries to include reads on others but they are mostly pointing out a blatant statement about hiro and a two way read on me. His reasoning for wanting to lynch draz can be basically boiled down to "he voted me which is weird cause normally when we fight he doesnt" which is basically just a scummy way of discrediting someone voting him. He also calls out (i believe, i cant tell if this is a good or bad thing) crossfire for being pretty focused on draz, when that is exactly what he is doing (draz the centerpiece of every post SNB made to this point). This is most likely extremely hypocritical but I can't say definitively if he is calling cross scum or town from his wording. Also, I don't believe a town SNB would just brush off a case against him the way he did to Nisani. He may think that but he would normally atleast give it a response to why it sucks instead of just OMGUS'n it. So basically to this point SNB has offered nothing of value to the thread and focused in on draz without actually providing almost anything that would make someone other than SNB believe he was scum. Next he is forced to talk about keirathi + Show Spoiler + On October 01 2012 14:30 strongandbig wrote: @hiro's question about keirathi's plan so i assume the plan you're talking about is "make a shitty case on purpose to start discussion" ? it's a god-awful plan, the only discussion you'll start is people saying "what a shitty case, you sure you give a fuck this game?" also kenpachi rule lol also keirathi says - first drazerk "legitimately trying" as town? you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. second this reads pretty sketchy to me, scum like to ingratiate themselves with townies who are suspicious of them as long as their lynch appears remote. so yeah, keirathi not looking too great to me right now. but i'm not sure about it - i'm actually not sure if you're right to call it a "plan" - sometimes townies do make weak cases right at the start of a day to get the ball rolling. it's just a thing, not a plan or a gambit or whatever. So I think he may not have been thinking to himself, 'i'll make this case as shitty as possible to bait out responses', but he could have been thinking 'this is dead so even though there's nothing to work with i'll do what i can." On October 01 2012 14:33 strongandbig wrote: oh also keirathi i think you said you have a slight meta-based townread on iamperfection, could you tell us about his meta in your opinion? if you didn't say this then whoever did say this pls answer that question but i think it was keirathi. He points out things that have already been said in the thread about keirathi's plan being bad. He also refocus's on draz, and then reiterates basically everything I said about the alignment of Keirathi's plan leaving us with no actual read. This wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't the only other person than draz he's really spoken on. So to this point we have a focus still on draz, and then a idk about me and keirathi. He then leaves his vote on draz and leaves the thread until after the lynch. This isn't a tell but it should also be noted. That night (or day? whenever who cares) he posts these 5 points On October 03 2012 03:11 strongandbig wrote: Sorry I've been less than up to my standards. Been busy, whatever. /shrugs. A few thoughts: 1. Because the vote was so close and there were so few ppl on iamperfection, it would not have looked bad for scum to be somewhere else and any scum on iamperfection could relatively easily have switched to avert his lynch. If there was scum on him it was sub-optimal play. Scum do stupid things; I got hammered by my teammates once while I was off playing dota. But in the balance I propose looking away from the iamperfection voters for now. 2. Drazerk's whole play is based around the premise "I refuse to try and look or be townie, so fuck you for trying to analyze me." We should kill him, it's the only sensible town response to that play. Also I think he's scum because he jumps around on votes without a care in the world, and because of that circular reasoning thing from before. Still, I'm not as sure about him as I have been in the past. 3. Getting medium bad vibes from jingle, but I can't put my finger on why. 4. Nisani looks pretty useless - his reasoning for voting Drazerk is pretty dumb IMO and it seems like he's doing some stupidly weak pressure. Like the best he came up with was "too many null reads". 5. I can't remember the last time Austin was scum, any help? Laters 1. This looks like scum hunting or atleast something, but isn't. He is just pointing out numbers and the situation. 2. More Draz focus. No scum hunting, just pissed off at his playstyle 3. Its hard to come up with real scum hunting on people as scum. This is evident here 4. Another easy shot to take with no actual scum hunting. 5. w.e Still no actual scum hunting, reads or reasoning for his votes. This is not the SNB that I like to have on the town team with me. Then we have his last post of "substance" + Show Spoiler + On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote: its the latter also hey guys, i'm back in switzerland i just got mislynched in the other game i'm in and i'd like that not to happen again. i also haven't slept in something like 30 hours. im guessing the role list number swapping thing is probably also a bus driver or something. i read a bunch of filters. i'm not sure if i'm finding the right parts though. i think austin and gonzaw are maybe town, austin's attempts to explain things at length and reasonably feel well in line both with his town meta and with good townie behavior in general and gonzaw hasn't been tunnelling me even though he could and usually does. that gonzaw reason is a pretty bad reason though. i still want to kill drazerk. can someone please explain to me why it's okay for him to play like he is? that said, I think nisani is the best lynch at the moment. his filter just doesn't feel town to me, and i agree with whoever it was who said his little "i am null on iamperfection i want to hear more reads etc" thing sounds like how scum talk about each other when forced to. also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. Intro fluff. He provides some town reads based on meta and feel. Refocus's to draz's "shitty play" and then back to nisani, saying "his filter just doesn't feel town to me" but not providing any quotes or actual scum hunting. then he posts a bunch of fluff about kill draz or nisani, parks his vote again and excuses his deadline absence again. This entire game, SNB has posted nothing of value in terms of scum hunting or caring about the game in general. He is scum struggling to find ways to post. ##unvote ##vote Strongandbig and you should too | ||
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Ghost, Xfire was the hammer on the iamperf lynch, theres very few things that almost confirm town, but this is one of them | ||
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On October 05 2012 06:48 Keirathi wrote: Also, its fucking bullshit that I am being forced to claim today. Goddamnit I'm annoyed. why? are you that special or sumthing? | ||
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On October 05 2012 07:53 Keirathi wrote: Remind me never to sign up for a game you're in again. Thanks! lol don't you see the townie paranoia he is displaying | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:08 strongandbig wrote: So I am going to head home, idk whether I'll be there before deadline. In case I die here's what I'm thinking. Ghost is looking scummy. His filter is pretty noncommital, and I just don't get town vibes over it. He was very inactive during the day1 godfather lynch which fits an expected scum profile since there was not even an attempt to create an alternative bandwagon. Kill drazerk. kill it with fire. The more I think about it, the more I think I might be wrong to be giving Mattchew the benefit of the doubt for his vote on iamperfection. It's just kind of the thing he would do. However, I'm not getting a very strong read one way or the other out of his filter. Just a comment to be wary. I think keirathi is town - I actually had a town read on him in my spreadsheet before he claimed, because of the stuff he said about plurality lynch and splitting votes. I think austin is town. I can't really say why. His posts just feel townie. I think that everyone who voted for iamperfection is town except maybe mattchew (see above). That leaves gonzaw, jinglehell, drazerk and ghost. jinglehell and gonzaw are hard to make much out of. I think it's weird that jingle is being so fucking aggro towards gonzaw. OTOH I haven't been getting the same scummy vibes out of Gonzaw that I usually do; but he's a pretty good scum player capable of multiple styles. So be wary of those two. Still, I think town kills should be prioritized: - Drazerk - Ghost - Jingle - Gonzaw Lynch those dudes and I think we win. quick question, what did you think of my case on you? | ||
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On October 06 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Hiro I screw with my meta on purpose don't bring in old games here. you realize regardless of your alignment that this does nothing good for townies? | ||
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On October 06 2012 07:32 Drazerk wrote: No but it helps me out a lot which then in turn helps townies how does making yourself harder to read help town? | ||
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On October 06 2012 07:37 Drazerk wrote: Because if you leave me alone I'll find scum. yeah I agree with whoever said they don't wanna play with you again after this | ||
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honestly he has done nothing pro-town and imo has played like a jerk. I think we are in a 8 vs. 1 vs. 1 situation. Also, I want someone to point out why I am clearly town now, the reason is out there and I want to see who can find it | ||
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On October 06 2012 08:23 Drazerk wrote: Seriously look at my day 2 actions if you can see a scum or third party doing that then I don't know what to think BUT DUDE... you totally intentionally mess with your meta and gameplay broski so that means you could do anything as any alignment... SICK PLAN BRO | ||
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On October 06 2012 08:35 gonzaw wrote: You and Crossfire initiated some interactions as soon as the game started, and he sheeped you with the iamperfection vote even though if you were both black you would have thought iamp was town (and one "noob" scum sheeping another scum on D1 would be risky as hell and would most likely not happen?) and defended you always as "super townie"? If it's that...hmm, I'm not sure, seems possible but I didn't think much about it. Damn there's a lot to think. Hmm, also something interesting to note is: -Both scum teams may have not known there was another scum team initially -Black Scum knew there was another scum team as soon as D1 ended. self play analyzing wifom bat coming if i was on iamperf's team even I wouldn't have bussed him that hard day 1. if i was crossfire's teammate i would never have called him so townie all the time for being the hammer in the iamperf lynch cause that puts him in the crossfire for the other team | ||
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On October 06 2012 08:46 Drazerk wrote: Didn't we have the king of busing arguement in this very thread Mattchew... yes.. but that was with actual scum teams... i don't have the balls to kill off my only teammate. you can take the cake on this debate if you do | ||
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if you want to kill townies. | ||
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isnt there a black team and a red team? | ||
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On October 09 2012 10:56 austinmcc wrote: I don't know if you just covered up a slip or made yourself seem townie. We've never seen more than 1 NK. Current assumption is that black has no factional KP. oh ok.. anyway i am the bus driver. n1 i bussed draz and ghost cause I thought ghost might be shot for the amount iamperf went at him and wanted draz dead n2 i bussed gonzaw and keirathi trying to get gonzaw shot cause I thought theres a chance of him being scum n3 i bussed hiro and keirathi trying to get hiro shot cause i think he's scum | ||
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On October 09 2012 11:17 HiroPro wrote: why am i scum matt im writing my case | ||
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On October 09 2012 12:39 gonzaw wrote: Yo Matt, thoughts about my claim? What about me being a murderous homicidal traitor-wannabe? i think that when we know what austin is doing we will have a lot of info about whats going on at night | ||
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and gonzaw those questions are bad and loaded. draz was playing like (insert whatever you want here) and ghost was all the attention of iamperf (which i never noticed but he didn't vote for him)... I didn't know there was 2 scum teams so i figured he would be a townie that was likely unprotected but hard to lynch. night 2 i had bad feelings about gonzaw, there was something off about his contributions and game play, but I knew he would be almost impossible to lynch. I went lone ranger status trying to win this game by myself. keirathi claimed in a way someone pointed out almost has to be town. figured that level of confirmation would earn him a shot eventually. night 3 i had/have a bad feeling about hiro. he is posting in mostly one liners alongside what i felt was a weak agreement with my case against iamperf. keirathi explaination same as n2 | ||
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On October 10 2012 02:27 JingleHell wrote: I'm only bulletproof IF the person below me is alive to visit. Also, I assume I can be tracked there since I'm visiting them, which has a nasty ability to backfire. As to that being good for black scum, I can't even imagine my role being balanced that way, since the scum team's wincons seem to require working at cross purposes, putting red in a position where they can only kill a rival by forcing a lynch seems risky, especially with a role that would reveal that they had no other choice. Anyone who pushed it would promptly be under scrutiny. That would be an "I win" button for black. Also, if we have a vigi with bullets, confirming me tonight wouldn't be so bad. did you really ask a vig to use a bullet on you that you can avoid | ||
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On October 10 2012 02:50 JingleHell wrote: It would confirm the role. The role would be broken on scum. You have something against confirmed townies who are hard to NK? if your scum team had no kp, being able to avoid kp from the other team would be completely balanced | ||
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i have a strong feeling gonzaw is telling the truth leaving keirathi snb and austin left. i could see keirathi snb as black, and austin as red. that being said we can only do this if we KNOW ghost is telling the truth. Also, there is the off-chance that JH or hiro is a godfather type, but that seems doubtful. i think we should lynch ghost to validate his claim, in the event ghost is telling the truth, we are left with 7 players likely 5/4/3 town, 1/2 black, 1/2 red. at worst it ends up 3/2/2 with me dead, but then you just lynch austin, keirath, snb, and gonzaw. if 1 of the ghost checks dies, its me gonzaw + jh/hiro lynching into almost guaranteed scum if ghost flips scum, yay! ##vote ghost_403 | ||
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I really doubt JH is red | ||
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3,3,7 is so imba too and a traitor and bah this is very rage inducing. and honestly guys i did not have enough time when the weekend started. but i mean, i pushed like, all the right people, except draz but he was playing super cool i dont wanna be read town. that was shit play man im dead serious | ||
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On October 12 2012 10:24 Keirathi wrote: Because you wanted to lynch S&B and I couldn't let that happen. Not enough people online at the time to switch and keep S&B alive. So basically your fault <3 hi i voted no-lynch.. your fault betch | ||
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On October 12 2012 10:27 JingleHell wrote: See, we SHOULD have lynched gonzaw, then we could have kept out medic! no we shoulda lynched you, and bah hiro i had a feeling you were red like the day3 and on, but i couldn't figure it out in terms of a case | ||
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On October 12 2012 10:29 Keirathi wrote: You voted no-lynch AFTER you already forced me to claim. And, knowing my own Role PM left no room for S&B to be scum, if I unvoted S&B would have died. There just weren't enough people to switch off of both S&B *AND* Nisani. EVERYONE'S FAULT FOR NOT LISTENING TO ME ALL GAYME | ||
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On October 12 2012 11:26 GreYMisT wrote: I see what you mean, you cant buss yourself so it wouldn't matter in this particular case. But announcing in the thread you were not going to use your power didn't help much. oh i was going to actually use it but only on like gonzaw and jingle or some weird combo. i wouldn't have bussed snb either way | ||
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we coulda had 2 more people in this game in a minute and that woulda made it fair imo 3v3v8.5 | ||
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On October 01 2012 05:48 Mattchew wrote: insta-delurk. actively lurking is cool ##vote: JingleHell On October 10 2012 01:56 Mattchew wrote: JH's role sounds pretty good for a black scum team with no KP im just saying lol | ||
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On October 12 2012 13:43 JingleHell wrote: If you were convinced on me being scum, why did you not listen to my "minimum of 3 RS, 2 BS" argument? because that would be op as fuck... oh wait | ||
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On October 12 2012 14:11 GreYMisT wrote: One thing to think about is 2 more people is 2 more roles that do things to the night actions yes but every scum gets actions too. so its basically a normal game in terms of balance On October 12 2012 14:14 HiroPro wrote: I don't think this setup is really imbalanced (if you consider each side having 1/3 chance to win fair). Maybe black scum could have been a little stronger. But it is very variable. Like a lot depends on the interaction of night actions. no, this game had almost 0 chance of town winning. we only mislynched twice and lost the night of a scum lynch also both of you need to remember we lynched probably the most powerful scum in the game day 1 before he could even use night actions. i shudder to think what would have happened had we only lynched black scum and i died, therefore town loses 4 to 3 after night 3 this game was super fun and the roles and gameplay were extremely interesting and the hosting was flawless and I am happy I joined btw (don't wanna complain too much) | ||
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On October 12 2012 21:49 marvellosity wrote: Matt, if you put half the effort in in-game as post-game i somehow lead 2 scum lynches and basically only called out scum the entire game lol well except nisani, and draz lynch was so necessary | ||
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On October 12 2012 21:55 marvellosity wrote: But the point is you have to push your point across. There's no use being right if you're not pushing WHY you're right and explaining it and persuading people. Being right is only half the battle. I mean, you caught iamp, so fair dinkum on that one. But you could've done more. I did push my point across that's why iam and ghost were lynched (and draz but I can't take credit for making that lynch happen)... This is why I'm pissed | ||
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