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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Let's assume they are both scum, then: 1)Both of them belong to a scum team: This means there are most likely 3 members from each team (it has to be balanced in terms of numbers on both teams, since they have to outnumber everybody else). This leaves only 7 townies in total, and 7 townies vs 6 scum seems kind of imbalanced in respect to town. It also means they decided to basically out their whole remaining team on D2 for no reason at all (remember Nisani was getting more votes and was set to get lynched, not S&B); and the other scum faction would know who they are as well and they are completely defenseless, specially once the other scum faction shoot one of them (since they would be "confirmed town" for a while) at some point. If they knew the black scum team existed or not, it doesn't make much sense 2)One of them is from 1 scumteam and the other one is from the other one: First of all, it means S&B is scum. If S&B is scum, and knows there is a PBody out there, why would he assume it's town? His own role would be scum wouldn't it? So that alone doesn't make much sense for him to claim at all (could just fakeclaim something else, or not claim at all, like I said he wasn't in a position where he needed to claim or could fake-claim as scum really). This also means that once S&B claimed, scum Keirathi (from the other team) decided to out himself instead of just keeping shut and let town lynch S&B once no P-Body claimed (from Keirathi's POV S&B is either town or 3rd party or another scum faction, therefore killing S&B helps his agenda). 3)Once of them is from 1 scumteam and the other one is town: Again. If S&B is scum, same reasoning (why would he claim?). If he claimed I could see town Keirathi claiming though. If Keirathi is scum....again why claim? Let S&B get lynched. Arguments against any of them being Black Scum is that ATLAS and P-Body belong to Aperture Science and are Test Subjects; it makes no sense flavour-wise for them to win with Black Mesa (unless they are Brain-washed or something in the flavour?). Because they are both from Aperture it also makes sense that they are either both town or both scum (again unless one of them has a "was brainwashed" flavour or something). This is flavour related only, so take it with a grain of salt. So, considering everything, from what I said above, to the flavour, to their roles (they are medics/vets, confirmed by the fact that S&B received a shot that was also confirmed by Drazerk, and all 4 of them can't be in the same scumteam faking that), to their play this game (Keirathi played pretty townie I think, and S&B seemed to contribute more and put more effort into the game after D2), it makes me think they are both town. Any objections? The other option is that they could be 3rd party outside the known factions (town, red scum, black scum) and win like survivors or something....but if that's the case, then we'd have like 5 townies total in a game of 13 players and that makes no sense at all. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Hmm, I'm going to wait to see what Hiro/ghost/austin have to say first. Also, can someone tell me in which team do they think Drazerk is scum from? That can help clear a lot of confusions and/or make us figure out new stuff and shit. I'll look into myself later. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On October 06 2012 08:23 Drazerk wrote: Seriously look at my day 2 actions if you can see a scum or third party doing that then I don't know what to think BUT DUDE... you totally intentionally mess with your meta and gameplay broski so that means you could do anything as any alignment... SICK PLAN BRO | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
if he was black scum he would either (a) already have pushed crossfire much harder, or (b) not said that thing about looking deeper into the iamperfection voters. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On October 06 2012 08:19 Mattchew wrote: ##vote drazerk honestly he has done nothing pro-town and imo has played like a jerk. I think we are in a 8 vs. 1 vs. 1 situation. Also, I want someone to point out why I am clearly town now, the reason is out there and I want to see who can find it You and Crossfire initiated some interactions as soon as the game started, and he sheeped you with the iamperfection vote even though if you were both black you would have thought iamp was town (and one "noob" scum sheeping another scum on D1 would be risky as hell and would most likely not happen?) and defended you always as "super townie"? If it's that...hmm, I'm not sure, seems possible but I didn't think much about it. Damn there's a lot to think. Hmm, also something interesting to note is: -Both scum teams may have not known there was another scum team initially -Black Scum knew there was another scum team as soon as D1 ended. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On October 06 2012 08:34 Mattchew wrote: BUT DUDE... you totally intentionally mess with your meta and gameplay broski so that means you could do anything as any alignment... SICK PLAN BRO yeah what about the part where you said logic doesn't apply to you now you're saying to use logic on you (and shitty logic, at that) - scummy contradiction bro | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On October 06 2012 08:34 Mattchew wrote: BUT DUDE... you totally intentionally mess with your meta and gameplay broski so that means you could do anything as any alignment... SICK PLAN BRO True but I would do that regardless of allignment anyway. That is clear unfiltered irrational play right there and you know it. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On October 06 2012 08:35 strongandbig wrote: yeah what about the part where you said logic doesn't apply to you now you're saying to use logic on you (and shitty logic, at that) - scummy contradiction bro Theres stupid meta logic Then there is game logic | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On October 06 2012 08:35 gonzaw wrote: You and Crossfire initiated some interactions as soon as the game started, and he sheeped you with the iamperfection vote even though if you were both black you would have thought iamp was town (and one "noob" scum sheeping another scum on D1 would be risky as hell and would most likely not happen?) and defended you always as "super townie"? If it's that...hmm, I'm not sure, seems possible but I didn't think much about it. Damn there's a lot to think. Hmm, also something interesting to note is: -Both scum teams may have not known there was another scum team initially -Black Scum knew there was another scum team as soon as D1 ended. self play analyzing wifom bat coming if i was on iamperf's team even I wouldn't have bussed him that hard day 1. if i was crossfire's teammate i would never have called him so townie all the time for being the hammer in the iamperf lynch cause that puts him in the crossfire for the other team | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On October 06 2012 08:46 Drazerk wrote: Didn't we have the king of busing arguement in this very thread Mattchew... yes.. but that was with actual scum teams... i don't have the balls to kill off my only teammate. you can take the cake on this debate if you do | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Do you still want to kill them? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On October 06 2012 08:50 gonzaw wrote: Drazerk, I made a post "proving" S&B and Keirathi are not scum (of course not 100% proof, but I think it's valid). Do you still want to kill them? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
##Vote Drazerk On October 06 2012 07:55 gonzaw wrote: I'll answer against his suspicions anyways. I wanted him to make a case at all and commit. Yes the case may be "bad"....but meh how the hell am I supposed to react to Jingle? I get gut feelings he's town but he seems to purposefully try to antagonize me and dismiss everything I do every time i post something or respond to him. It's one of those times where you think "there's no way a townie would go at me like that and play like that", but then you think there are countless instances of townies doing that and you back down because, hell he might be one of those. Hiro, I take it you were away or something until right now? You said you were going to be inactive until friday. yea, i've been busy. but i'll have time to play over the weekend. Walk me through your thoughts - at what specific points did your read on JingleHell shift between bad townie and sccum. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I think I'm going to focus on other game for tonight, come back tomorrow morning with full thoughts on this. It means we need to re-evaluate the iamperfection lynch, look for connections to crossfire, blah blah blah. I think killing drazerk is the right move today. A "one-shot vig" seems REALLY unlikely in this game, but if there's KP missing then there ARE unaccounted for night shots. Which someone might claim in case he was spotted...who could that be? ##Vote: Drazerk | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 06 2012 08:22 Drazerk wrote: Yes I'm the jerk not the fact S+B + Kei basically teamed up against me very early on and everyone in the universe knows i'm an easy lynch and thats why I stay alive. Holy fucking misrepresentation, Batman. I said I thought you were town day 1. And I didn't "team up" against you until well into day 2 after you started pushing for the only person that I can be almost certain is townie, and then you pretended to throw a Lemon Grenade at me. | ||
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