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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 05 2012 23:23 GMT
#901
Seriously look at my day 2 actions if you can see a scum or third party doing that then I don't know what to think
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 05 2012 23:26 GMT
#902
Hmm, interesting thought I had about S&B and Keirathi still being town:

Let's assume they are both scum, then:

1)Both of them belong to a scum team: This means there are most likely 3 members from each team (it has to be balanced in terms of numbers on both teams, since they have to outnumber everybody else). This leaves only 7 townies in total, and 7 townies vs 6 scum seems kind of imbalanced in respect to town. It also means they decided to basically out their whole remaining team on D2 for no reason at all (remember Nisani was getting more votes and was set to get lynched, not S&B); and the other scum faction would know who they are as well and they are completely defenseless, specially once the other scum faction shoot one of them (since they would be "confirmed town" for a while) at some point.
If they knew the black scum team existed or not, it doesn't make much sense

2)One of them is from 1 scumteam and the other one is from the other one: First of all, it means S&B is scum. If S&B is scum, and knows there is a PBody out there, why would he assume it's town? His own role would be scum wouldn't it? So that alone doesn't make much sense for him to claim at all (could just fakeclaim something else, or not claim at all, like I said he wasn't in a position where he needed to claim or could fake-claim as scum really). This also means that once S&B claimed, scum Keirathi (from the other team) decided to out himself instead of just keeping shut and let town lynch S&B once no P-Body claimed (from Keirathi's POV S&B is either town or 3rd party or another scum faction, therefore killing S&B helps his agenda).

3)Once of them is from 1 scumteam and the other one is town: Again. If S&B is scum, same reasoning (why would he claim?). If he claimed I could see town Keirathi claiming though.
If Keirathi is scum....again why claim? Let S&B get lynched.

Arguments against any of them being Black Scum is that ATLAS and P-Body belong to Aperture Science and are Test Subjects; it makes no sense flavour-wise for them to win with Black Mesa (unless they are Brain-washed or something in the flavour?). Because they are both from Aperture it also makes sense that they are either both town or both scum (again unless one of them has a "was brainwashed" flavour or something).
This is flavour related only, so take it with a grain of salt.

So, considering everything, from what I said above, to the flavour, to their roles (they are medics/vets, confirmed by the fact that S&B received a shot that was also confirmed by Drazerk, and all 4 of them can't be in the same scumteam faking that), to their play this game (Keirathi played pretty townie I think, and S&B seemed to contribute more and put more effort into the game after D2), it makes me think they are both town.

Any objections?
The other option is that they could be 3rd party outside the known factions (town, red scum, black scum) and win like survivors or something....but if that's the case, then we'd have like 5 townies total in a game of 13 players and that makes no sense at all.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 05 2012 23:28 GMT
#903
Oh, premature lynch of Drazerk I see?

Hmm, I'm going to wait to see what Hiro/ghost/austin have to say first.

Also, can someone tell me in which team do they think Drazerk is scum from? That can help clear a lot of confusions and/or make us figure out new stuff and shit. I'll look into myself later.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 05 2012 23:34 GMT
#904
On October 06 2012 08:23 Drazerk wrote:
Seriously look at my day 2 actions if you can see a scum or third party doing that then I don't know what to think

BUT DUDE... you totally intentionally mess with your meta and gameplay broski so that means you could do anything as any alignment... SICK PLAN BRO
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 05 2012 23:34 GMT
#905
i think red

if he was black scum he would either (a) already have pushed crossfire much harder, or (b) not said that thing about looking deeper into the iamperfection voters.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 05 2012 23:35 GMT
#906
On October 06 2012 08:19 Mattchew wrote:
##vote drazerk


honestly he has done nothing pro-town and imo has played like a jerk.

I think we are in a 8 vs. 1 vs. 1 situation.

Also, I want someone to point out why I am clearly town now, the reason is out there and I want to see who can find it


You and Crossfire initiated some interactions as soon as the game started, and he sheeped you with the iamperfection vote even though if you were both black you would have thought iamp was town (and one "noob" scum sheeping another scum on D1 would be risky as hell and would most likely not happen?) and defended you always as "super townie"?

If it's that...hmm, I'm not sure, seems possible but I didn't think much about it. Damn there's a lot to think.

Hmm, also something interesting to note is:
-Both scum teams may have not known there was another scum team initially
-Black Scum knew there was another scum team as soon as D1 ended.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 05 2012 23:35 GMT
#907
On October 06 2012 08:34 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 08:23 Drazerk wrote:
Seriously look at my day 2 actions if you can see a scum or third party doing that then I don't know what to think

BUT DUDE... you totally intentionally mess with your meta and gameplay broski so that means you could do anything as any alignment... SICK PLAN BRO


yeah what about the part where you said logic doesn't apply to you

now you're saying to use logic on you (and shitty logic, at that) - scummy contradiction bro
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 05 2012 23:36 GMT
#908
On October 06 2012 08:34 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 08:23 Drazerk wrote:
Seriously look at my day 2 actions if you can see a scum or third party doing that then I don't know what to think

BUT DUDE... you totally intentionally mess with your meta and gameplay broski so that means you could do anything as any alignment... SICK PLAN BRO


True but I would do that regardless of allignment anyway. That is clear unfiltered irrational play right there and you know it.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 05 2012 23:36 GMT
#909
On October 06 2012 08:35 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 08:34 Mattchew wrote:
On October 06 2012 08:23 Drazerk wrote:
Seriously look at my day 2 actions if you can see a scum or third party doing that then I don't know what to think

BUT DUDE... you totally intentionally mess with your meta and gameplay broski so that means you could do anything as any alignment... SICK PLAN BRO


yeah what about the part where you said logic doesn't apply to you

now you're saying to use logic on you (and shitty logic, at that) - scummy contradiction bro


Theres stupid meta logic

Then there is game logic
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 05 2012 23:42 GMT
#910
S&B you didn't state if you got hit or not or who your target was.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 05 2012 23:42 GMT
#911
You might want to not tell us your target, I dunno though
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 05 2012 23:44 GMT
#912
On October 06 2012 08:35 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 08:19 Mattchew wrote:
##vote drazerk


honestly he has done nothing pro-town and imo has played like a jerk.

I think we are in a 8 vs. 1 vs. 1 situation.

Also, I want someone to point out why I am clearly town now, the reason is out there and I want to see who can find it


You and Crossfire initiated some interactions as soon as the game started, and he sheeped you with the iamperfection vote even though if you were both black you would have thought iamp was town (and one "noob" scum sheeping another scum on D1 would be risky as hell and would most likely not happen?) and defended you always as "super townie"?

If it's that...hmm, I'm not sure, seems possible but I didn't think much about it. Damn there's a lot to think.

Hmm, also something interesting to note is:
-Both scum teams may have not known there was another scum team initially
-Black Scum knew there was another scum team as soon as D1 ended.

self play analyzing wifom bat coming

if i was on iamperf's team even I wouldn't have bussed him that hard day 1.
if i was crossfire's teammate i would never have called him so townie all the time for being the hammer in the iamperf lynch cause that puts him in the crossfire for the other team
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 05 2012 23:46 GMT
#913
Didn't we have the king of busing arguement in this very thread Mattchew...
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 05 2012 23:50 GMT
#914
On October 06 2012 08:46 Drazerk wrote:
Didn't we have the king of busing arguement in this very thread Mattchew...

yes.. but that was with actual scum teams... i don't have the balls to kill off my only teammate. you can take the cake on this debate if you do
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 05 2012 23:50 GMT
#915
Drazerk, I made a post "proving" S&B and Keirathi are scum (of course not 100% proof, but I think it's valid).
Do you still want to kill them?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 05 2012 23:50 GMT
#916
lol

On October 06 2012 08:50 gonzaw wrote:
Drazerk, I made a post "proving" S&B and Keirathi are not scum (of course not 100% proof, but I think it's valid).
Do you still want to kill them?

Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 05 2012 23:54 GMT
#917
Yes anything is possible in mafia
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
October 06 2012 00:02 GMT
#918
This makes it even more likely that Drazerk is scum - with 2 teams, you probably only have 2 on each team (3 is too big, leaves only 7 townies). It makes a lot of sense now why Drazerk was concerned about survival when he's normally not - he's probably the last aperture player.

##Vote Drazerk



On October 06 2012 07:55 gonzaw wrote:
I'll answer against his suspicions anyways.

Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 07:24 HiroPro wrote:
I'm leaning scum on gonzaw. the rolefishing stuff that people are talking about though is not very good - town gonzaw is fully capable of doing that also. gonzaw said earlier that if jinglehell doesn't present a good case on him (not like the stuff
jinglehell was posting earlier about gonzaw, then jingle is scum. but now that jinglehell has made a case (which largely reads as if it is just everything that jinglehell had previously said about gonzaw in one cleaner post), and gonzaw has treated the case as if it was horrendous, gonzaw has done nothing to say that jinglehell is scum. instead he's continued to treat jinglehell as some kind of misguided townie. that's really the one thing that's making me think he's scum. in terms of his other behavior, i'm just not sure, i can see him doing them as either scum or town ( I took a look back through bureaucracy and his thoughts then too seemed genuine to me).


I wanted him to make a case at all and commit.
Yes the case may be "bad"....but meh how the hell am I supposed to react to Jingle? I get gut feelings he's town but he seems to purposefully try to antagonize me and dismiss everything I do every time i post something or respond to him.

It's one of those times where you think "there's no way a townie would go at me like that and play like that", but then you think there are countless instances of townies doing that and you back down because, hell he might be one of those.


Hiro, I take it you were away or something until right now? You said you were going to be inactive until friday.


yea, i've been busy. but i'll have time to play over the weekend. Walk me through your thoughts - at what specific points did your read on JingleHell shift between bad townie and sccum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 06 2012 00:27 GMT
#919
So two factions. Still only a single night KP. Either we had protects or...we're probably at 2 red unknown black and one team might have no KP?

I think I'm going to focus on other game for tonight, come back tomorrow morning with full thoughts on this. It means we need to re-evaluate the iamperfection lynch, look for connections to crossfire, blah blah blah.

I think killing drazerk is the right move today. A "one-shot vig" seems REALLY unlikely in this game, but if there's KP missing then there ARE unaccounted for night shots. Which someone might claim in case he was spotted...who could that be?

##Vote: Drazerk

Fe fi fo fum.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 06 2012 00:33 GMT
#920
On October 06 2012 08:22 Drazerk wrote:
Yes I'm the jerk not the fact S+B + Kei basically teamed up against me very early on and everyone in the universe knows i'm an easy lynch and thats why I stay alive.

Holy fucking misrepresentation, Batman.

I said I thought you were town day 1. And I didn't "team up" against you until well into day 2 after you started pushing for the only person that I can be almost certain is townie, and then you pretended to throw a Lemon Grenade at me.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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