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On October 06 2012 05:09 BlackMamba24 wrote: Promethelax will be replacing Sharrant. Hi all, I'm replacing in for Sharrant who was the Vigi, he shot Annul last night. I'm going to read the thread and see where we are. As some of you know I work weird hours, when I'm here I'll be here a lot and when I'm not here I won't. Glad we have that settled and thanks for having me. Liquid city here I come! | ||
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Risk isn't playing like a townie and the things he has put in the thread, go on look at them, amount to a total of nothing. Interestingly enough his contributions have been: attacks on Shady and Kush early game (clearly the easiest targets) a response to Kreb. A back and forth with BC and A comment on marv he also constantly called out a useless lurker Sharrant (now me), not as scummy but as "where are you" Risk hasn't contributed to any cases and is trying to fly under the radar. For the moment at least he is my best scum read. @Risk: why would you play like this? What do you gain by lurking? | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:00 VisceraEyes wrote: I haven't given up. Quite the opposite. Tell me what's telling about my activity levels please. what the hell are you doing this game VE? You are usually a hella good player (see every game ever), why aren't you contributing to the level you are capable of? And why does Matt have a town read on you? (seriously, try answer this question) Matt who has done nothing this game which is 100% to his scum meta. Why are all the vets in this game playing like crap. | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:45 Mattchew wrote: marv you played well and i thought you were town... now I see why you buddy'd up VE so hard I realized I should have cited this right after I hit post. | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:37 risk.nuke wrote: I'm just to lazy to build a case before the nightflip. I'm always watching the thread incase someone decides to pull some shenanigans. As for why I'm not posting. I consider the atleast last 20 pages useless shit and I haven't seen a point in joining the conversations that's been had. I don't disagree with you, reading this thread is like wading through a pile of cow shit. That being said what are you reads based on not the last 20 pages? You seem pretty confidant that you'll be here to build a case after the flip, want to share why? On October 06 2012 06:40 Mattchew wrote: i didn't call VE town. I just felt marv's relationship with him was off. i thought marv had a strong town read on him, it turns out he was just scum. okay, that is a reasonable explanation. Why haven't you done anything this whole game since defending an obviously town Shady? (I though he was obviously town but I've played with him as scum and town so maybe that is just me) | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:49 risk.nuke wrote: It's starting to become a habit in this thread,someone yells a question at me over a post in which I EXPLICITLY explained what they are questioning. it is starting to be a habit of yours to not add anything to the thread with your posts. Who is your top scum read right now? On October 06 2012 06:45 Hapahauli wrote: Still catching up, but this caught my eye: Shouldn't you be much more concerned about death than this if you are town? Glad we're on the same page Hapa, I hope we're both town this time around so I can see if I like playing with you when you aren't slaughtering me. | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:56 slOosh wrote: So you don't think this means anything? Or his read on DP means anything? hey SloOsh what are your reads on anyone? You seem to think Kush is town and that is all i can find in your filter. I also see a call out of my previous incarnation, still think I'm scum? If not who is? | ||
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Sorry for any crazy in this post I've been out drinking (and more) since my last post in thread, I think I'm sober now but we'll see. On October 06 2012 09:04 Hapahauli wrote: Yah, I hope we're both town as well <3 I'm pretty surprised that no one has commented on that risk quote - not even risk himself! I'll have to take a look through risk's filter and see if he's capable of this as town, but the silence here is disconcerting. I'm also quite interested as to why imperfection chainsaw defended him - thoughts? Since my first game with Imperfect where we were both scum (XIX) I feel generally decent at reading him. I like the kid a lot which helps, I think. The thing is in this game he hasn't stood out to me, nothing he does takes him to the next leve as either scummy or Towniel. Imperfect is a smart player who knows better than to lurk this much so his actions worry me, I have him in my Null column but I hope he is town as I like him a lot and his analysis always helps me solidify my own understanding of the game. I don;t like the connection theory until on of Risk Iamp flips and I think Risk is much more likely to be scum. On October 06 2012 09:28 austinmcc wrote: Nah. My play may not have been a documentary, but it's based on true events. Node was mafia. hey Austin, bro, care to share your reasons? What about hapa's plays to or detracts from this read? Since Annul was not scum how does your read of Node change? + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 06:44 austinmcc wrote: Headed out soon for the evening, may not be back before deadline. Node scum. If node scum, annul and Z-BosoN scum. mkfuba very scummy. annul is odd no matter node's alignment, but I'd be much more convinced of SCUM if node is red. slOosh's return and look at mattchew strike me as not-scum. BC and coag feel kind of distant. BC entered thread with a lot of thoughts yesterday, but mainly just called half the thread scummy (mainly for doing things that were scummy). I wish he'd interacted more with thread towards deadline last night, and I wish he'd have some thoughts on people who aren't scummy and whatnot. Coag I have never played with, and he's kind of in the same boat - wherefore art thou Coageo? I think the meta arguments on Kush are overblown. If he's got a clear town meta and scum meta, and then is clearly told the difference between those two, then the whole thing flies out the window slightly. Unless he's got oodles and oodles of games where he's clearly town or scum, he can just play like he normally would with less f bombs and know he'll look townie on meta. So I don't give them too much credence. that leaves out a whole lotta players. Some, like BKE/Talismania were active early on and then completely absent. And why are you so focused on the Janitor role and Node? Sorry I just picked up on that on this read through of your filter. Since this happened + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 09:00 austinmcc wrote: Another interesting mention of Shady: These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets. I'm interested in BC's thoughts on Shady. I think Node's thoughts, already given, make Node look scummy. Your only posts have been about Node and Janitors. Why tunnel so much, you are better than this. Oh never mind, I see Hapa is claiming scum with his actions after the day post. ##Vote: hapa. Die Scum, and think this through you could have fought for yourself way to fold up and die (you are as bad as i was last time we played together). | ||
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On October 07 2012 00:49 BroodKingEXE wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2012 16:04 Promethelax wrote: + Show Spoiler + Sorry for any crazy in this post I've been out drinking (and more) since my last post in thread, I think I'm sober now but we'll see. Since my first game with Imperfect where we were both scum (XIX) I feel generally decent at reading him. I like the kid a lot which helps, I think. The thing is in this game he hasn't stood out to me, nothing he does takes him to the next leve as either scummy or Towniel. Imperfect is a smart player who knows better than to lurk this much so his actions worry me, I have him in my Null column but I hope he is town as I like him a lot and his analysis always helps me solidify my own understanding of the game. I don;t like the connection theory until on of Risk Iamp flips and I think Risk is much more likely to be scum. hey Austin, bro, care to share your reasons? What about hapa's plays to or detracts from this read? Since Annul was not scum how does your read of Node change? + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 06:44 austinmcc wrote: Headed out soon for the evening, may not be back before deadline. Node scum. If node scum, annul and Z-BosoN scum. mkfuba very scummy. annul is odd no matter node's alignment, but I'd be much more convinced of SCUM if node is red. slOosh's return and look at mattchew strike me as not-scum. BC and coag feel kind of distant. BC entered thread with a lot of thoughts yesterday, but mainly just called half the thread scummy (mainly for doing things that were scummy). I wish he'd interacted more with thread towards deadline last night, and I wish he'd have some thoughts on people who aren't scummy and whatnot. Coag I have never played with, and he's kind of in the same boat - wherefore art thou Coageo? I think the meta arguments on Kush are overblown. If he's got a clear town meta and scum meta, and then is clearly told the difference between those two, then the whole thing flies out the window slightly. Unless he's got oodles and oodles of games where he's clearly town or scum, he can just play like he normally would with less f bombs and know he'll look townie on meta. So I don't give them too much credence. that leaves out a whole lotta players. Some, like BKE/Talismania were active early on and then completely absent. And why are you so focused on the Janitor role and Node? Sorry I just picked up on that on this read through of your filter. Since this happened + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 09:00 austinmcc wrote: Another interesting mention of Shady: These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets. I'm interested in BC's thoughts on Shady. I think Node's thoughts, already given, make Node look scummy. Your only posts have been about Node and Janitors. Why tunnel so much, you are better than this. Oh never mind, I see Hapa is claiming scum with his actions after the day post. ##Vote: hapa. Die Scum, and think this through you could have fought for yourself way to fold up and die (you are as bad as i was last time we played together). Dont post while drunk Austin is dead. How do your reads change? I know, I was catching up on the thread and writing that as I caught up, by the time I had it all written I got to the point where Austin was dead and Hapa was confirmed scum. I should have just deleted it and said Oh never mind, I see Hapa is claiming scum with his actions after the day post. but well, yeah, I wasn't in my right mind. I still think Risk, Matt and VE look really suspicious, Risk most of all. The problem is how much of that is based on the clear don't-give-a-fuckness of their play and this game is hard to give a fuck about because of the foregone conclusion of the lynch two cycles in a row. My theories on why scum are giving up once they have been fingered for death by our dt/medics+ Show Spoiler + I assume that the scum strat is, when caught by the paramedic role, to give up without a fight and ruin the cycle for us. That is the only explanation I can think of for two strong wifom users just giving up immediately when they get called out as scum by the paramedics. We won't get anything from this vote count since everyone will be on Hapa and we won't get anything from this cycle cause hapa will shit up the thread and make discussion hard just like Marv did. @Risk, the kills have come through, where is that case you are no longer too lazy to make? @Hapa, your medic claim is worse than mine was. Which is saying something. @Everyone, I propose we each come forward with a case on not Hapa during this cycle. We have two filters of interactions between scum and unkown players, we have day one voting patterns and we have our own skills. Don't let this cycle go to waste. | ||
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On October 07 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote: Of course it leaves doubt. Both of those breadcrumbs were anything but subtle. If scum saw fuba's (especially after losing their godfather and being paranoid about paramedic), they could have potentially shot him to frame Hapa. The problem is, you still lynch Hapa anyways. There's just too much chance that the paramedic died using his ability rather than being shot. So, there's plausible doubt, but not enough to get out of a lynch. I would argue that the first bread crumb was pretty subtle since no one knew about the role. The second one was more subtle as a claim because the role was known but easier to decipher because the role was known. If my math is right though scum has two kp and the third townie death was Fuba by targeting Hapa. Also if hapa was town this would never be his response. Kier, you aren't dumb (believe me I know, you called my ass out when I was scum) but this post is just introducing doubt where there is none, you don't consider the actions of the players being accused. You have successfully posted while adding nothing to the thread; why did you post this? | ||
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On October 07 2012 03:37 Keirathi wrote: What math? Where does it say anything about how much KP the mafia has? Or, how many mafia there are? How can you do math when you don't know the variables? About the last part, I was talking purely from a hypothetical standpoint. Hapa is 100% confirmed scum, because his actions aren't consistent with what a framed townie would do. They're what a caught scum does. The fact that you asked him to fight instead of give up, then calling me out for saying the reason that he COULD have fought (even if we wouldn't have believed him) is hypocritical as fuck. Sorry, that isn't clear, I use "if my math is right" to mean based on what I think I've figured out. It seems like there have been caimed vig shots/death by being a paramedic which encompass all the kills but two each night. If your understanding is different I'd love to hear it. Sorry I miss understood you, you are right he could have fought and (I think) should have fought. You are right, hypothetically the paramedic death doesn't give us confirmed scum. Scum is giving us confirmed scum after they are probable scum based on the paramedic role. Kush: On October 07 2012 03:44 kushm4sta wrote: This pseudo fight between coag and prometh..why are you nitpicking each other so hard? Hapa is confirmed scum. This is agreed upon by everyone. Keirathi was saying why it's possible HYPOTHETICALLY that he could be framed. I'm trying to assume you aren't an idiot but all you are doing is reiterating what everyone else says and than claiming that it is obvious. If it is obvious why are you saying it? Can you tell me why Risk, Kier and Coag seem guilty to you. Not why they seem guilty to me or to VE or to anyone else. Why are they guilty to you? @Coag and VE, I don't think that is a scum slip it seems like a read posted on impulse into the thread with no back-up. However coag's reaction to being called out for it makes me think of him as scummy, he is focused on, and angry about, this scum slip. He hasn't talked about the rest of the (minimal) case that VE presented. I am always very angry when I am scum and someone calls something I don't view as a slip a slip because they have caught me by 'being lucky/dumb' which sucks. Coag, if you are town please present a defense of the accusation instead of an attack on the slip. I get it, you aren't happy that this is being a scum slip. But your reaction is to spam up the thread with one liners which add nothing to the thread. Give me something that is a case or a response to the case on you. | ||
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On October 07 2012 04:37 Keirathi wrote: So, lets think about night 1 a bit. 3 people died: Risen (paramedic, who died from targetting scum), Annul (who you claimed your predecessor shot), and kingjames01 (scum shot? a secong vig? doesn't really matter). Then, on the second night, 3 people still died. A paramedic, again assumed to have targetted scum. Tout, who was being pretty pro-town and therefor a probable scum shot, and austin whom no one has claimed shooting, and therefor probably a scum shot. You can see why I'm screwy on your guessing game math. Because supposedly we had a vig shot, night 1, and not one on night 2, but still the same amount of kills. Yea, its possible that there was a medic save night 1, or any number of things, but I think any kind of extrapolation of scum numbers and KP at this point is EXTREMELY speculative. To suggest otherwise makes me question if you have extra information that I don't. On October 03 2012 23:18 austinmcc wrote: Okay I was definitely hit last night. Thanks for the prot. | ||
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On October 07 2012 04:53 kushm4sta wrote: @prome your reasons became my reasons when i read them Kush, why are you sheeping me? Do you have a town read on me? If not what the hell are you doing and if you do great, help me by doing some work of your own instead of spamming as much as the confirmed scum. Your play makes me sad. | ||
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So, care to comment on anything that is pertinent to this game or are you scum? On October 07 2012 05:45 slOosh wrote: Keir you still haven't commented on VE vs Coag slOosh, just so I can be sure: you think that VE is scum based on his case on Coag. Is this true? Yes or no? | ||
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On October 07 2012 06:08 BroodKingEXE wrote: This is Coag's reaction to being on austin's list. + Show Spoiler [Austin's post] + Coagulation - On October 02 2012 12:17 Coagulation wrote: Wagon looks scummy. No substantive thoughts on Node. Everyone keep your votes on shady sands. Node bandwagon looked scummy as fuck and only makes shady look even scummier. This reaction is totally different, but the accusations behind them are virtually the same. Austin's a townie so I feel its some sort of weird distancing strat on Coag's part. + Show Spoiler [Shiao's post] + On October 06 2012 03:40 ShiaoPi wrote: LoL, you will just call me out for not doing cases again if I drop reads without reasoning, whatever the fuck here comes: scummy as hell: VE, Coag and Matt, various reasons for each, but mainly for being vets their impact has been close to zero in this game. scumleaning: BC, Sloosh and whoever replaces for Node, I know I had him more on the townieside but fuck it no reason at all to go MIA like this. kind of wary off: Sharrant, risk, fuba, boson and kush Es-tu satisfait de mon travail, mon ami? Interesting. I hadn't noticed this. So do you feel that both Coag and Shio are scum? How about VE who Coag is also reacting to poorly when called out by. Matt and Risk, where in the bloody hells are you? You have only come back to the thread to write off my questioning of you and summarily vanished again. What are your reads, what has changed for you after the Night Kills? | ||
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On October 07 2012 07:03 slOosh wrote: I believe it is very scummy, but my reads on VE tend to be less reliable than those on other players (cf. my day 1 case against him in LIII, where he flipped jailkeeper), so I'm taking this one slowly. Do you agree with my analysis / have input on VE himself? I think your analysis has merit, VE is not playing a good town game. Which means he is either bad townie or scum(anti-town). I think he is slightly more likely to be bad town just because other people are scummier (Kier, Coag, Matt, Risk) but my issue with this game is the huge number of people playing like scum; it makes me distrust my own reads. I feel that Coag's reaction to the pressure from VE is that of a scum and not a townie though, his actions are scummy and his response to being called out on that is to say "oh yeah, don't worry guys, that is just how I play" So Coag, great, that is your meta. What does town gain by you freaking out and spamming in all caps about how that totes wasn't a scumslip? Risk and Matt. If I had more shots you would both be dead. Play the fucking game. | ||
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On October 07 2012 07:44 kushm4sta wrote: @prom Why is mattchew scummy? Did I miss a case you made on him? It isn't a case so much as an understanding I have with Matt. Matt is scummy because he is an incredible player who loves to make massive plays on his own. When he is mafia he lurks and gives not a single fuck. In my first game of mafia ever I had a town meta read on him because of his lurkiness which I learned after he murdered me and the rest of town that I was totally wrong about; when he doesn't give a fuck he is scum. | ||
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On October 07 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote: Wat. 1) I'm not a vet by any means. I'm relatively new to these forums (I think I started in June? July? I have like 6 games played, and 2 currently going). I certainly haven't lost my passion for the game. I had some outside things interfere with the game, and then we've had what...5 days worth of confirmed scum to lynch. My other game is just more urgent than this one. 2) There are a ton of things in my filter to accuse me for, besides inactivity. Hell, I don't even think that me being inactive is the reason anyone is accusing me, outside of the fact that I asked you why you signed up if you weren't going to play, then have proceeded to not give the game much attention. But mostly its because, although I was quite active on day 1, I haven't done any scumhunting. The fact that seem to be randomly giving me a town read and saying to look for better targets is hella fucking suspicious. There's basically no way anyone should have a town read on me right now in this game. True enough, no one should have a town read on you. You have always been one of my favourite players but this game makes me want to never play with you or most of the forum vets again. I hope you are scum so there is an excuse for your play. If you do not start scum hunting I will make sure you die, I've promised you this before and I'll promise it again: if you aren't town with me I'll do everything I can to make you swing. On October 07 2012 11:14 kushm4sta wrote: Less than 1 hour before the d1 lynch this is what the vote looks like: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 12:21 BlackMamba24 wrote: Day 1 Vote Count Shady Sands (7): kingjames01 (2): keirathi, kushm4sta (1): VisceraEyes (1): Talismania, Mementoss (0): austinmcc (3): kreb, mkfuba07, BloodyC0bbler risk.nuke (1): Sharrant Node (7): Marvellosity, VisceraEyes, austinmcc, kushm4sta, Z-Boson, iamperfection, BroodKingEXE, The following players have not voted: AdmiralAardvark, SlOosh, Shady Sands, Friendly reminder to use the Voting Thread to have your vote counted. It's a little under 1 hour till deadline. Currently, Node is set to be lynched. (Tie with Shady Sands, he acquired 7 before Shady) We now know that this was a bandwagon created by scum and directed at scum. At this point it's 7 for node and 7 for Shady. Scum are really scared right now. Z-boson is the first scum to leave the bandwagon. He moves his vote to Coag, someone who isn't even a candidate for d1 lynch. (He thinks it makes him look less suspicious than switching to shady who he knows will flip town.) Well not giving a shit about meta is quite dumb. Also he moves from someone who looks actually scummy to someone who's meta points to null. At that time austin (confirmed town) posts about some of the resistance to the node lynch. He singles out coag, z-boson, and sloosh. Note that all 3 of these guys still look quite scummy. Paraphrasing austin: COAG discredits the bandwagon without even mentioning the scum was being bandwagoned. Z-BOSON previously randomly referenced forgettable node post 5 hours after the fact. SWOOSH also talks about the "nature" of the bandwagon. OFC he thinks it's off, because he knows his scumbuddies orchestrated it. In summary: more pressure on z-boson please. Holy mother of a three headed fuck. This is some actual thoughts. Does anyone know if Kush is capable of this on his own? I'm suddenly worried he is being helped. But actually a good point, I thought we had no useful lynch voting to look at since we unanimously voted Mar and now Hapa. Time to look at scum vs town lynch day one. Players still alive that switched off of Node D1: Kush, Z-Boson, Iamperfection. Of those, two ended up on Shady while Z-bo ended up on Coag. Players that switched onto Shady from others: Fuba (Deceased townie), Sloosh (still alive) and Annul (deceased townie). At least one of Sloosh, Kush, Z-bo and Iamp is scum in my opinion. (Austin tells us to look Slooshward, Z-boward and Coagward for the scum + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 12:36 austinmcc wrote: I can't stay up for deadline. My vote is staying on node. In the same way that some may have concerns about the way votes are coming in, look at some of the votes going elsewhere, or admonitions to go elsewhere: Wagon looks scummy. Nothing about node himself, nothing about node's posts Dude who randomly mentions Node Node lynch is "strange." Is Node himself scummy? Are Node's posts scummy? | ||
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His response was: On July 23 2012 07:43 talismania wrote: It's not flavor that I don't like. I don't like deceiving, manipulating, scheming etc. I like figuring shit out, combing through evidence, putting patterns together. Vets this game: I hate you all. | ||
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On October 07 2012 20:15 DarthPunk wrote: I replaced talis. He is no longer playing. So I don't know what the point of this post is. The point is I'm an idiot. Sorry about that. Ignore that post. Thanks for the insight on Kush, I'd love to hear from anyone else what they think about his new found ability to think. On October 07 2012 22:38 kushm4sta wrote: @prome There are so many afk vets they are not all scum. Probably at least one is scum but they have contributed so little that it's impossible to tell which. These guys are probably quite good at playing mafia. Something as obvious as afking is not a scumtell. That is why I think we should focus on another group of potential mafia. ##fos risk, z boson, coag, sloosh Not giving a shit is a scum tell for both Risk and Matt, probably for VE as well. Coag I don't know and Kier is playing scummy as fuck though he isn't a vet. What are you waiting for? One of them to claim scum? Also, I notice that you think Risk is worth fosing, why not Matt? what differentiates their play that makes Matt more town? Risk. Play like a man. Don't fuck around. I know you are a good town player and I know you aren't an idiot. I'm still waiting on that case you promised me when I joined this game. Actually I'm waiting for any contribution from you. I know not all of you vets playing scummy can be scum but by god I'd lynch you all if I could. | ||
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On October 07 2012 23:33 kushm4sta wrote: closer look at z-boson leading up to d1 lynch This whole post is overly defensive, and defensive in the wrong ways. 1 He says he is just going to ignore austin. Austin's attacks have been very light up to thos point though. He says he is going to ignore them like they are some constant thing that is interfering with his scumhunting. Scum zboson says this line in order to make himself look like he isn't being overdefensive and cares primarily about scumhunting. 2 He tries to discredit austin's suspicions with a weak meta read based purely on omgus. More on z boson incoming. Making big posts on your phone is a major bitch. More incoming? Its been two hours. Don't make promises you don't follow though on, doing that is scummy as fuck and why Risk is my #1 scum read right now (after Hapa obviously)/ | ||
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open question to Kush: why are you trying now when yo never have before? What happened to make you make cases? | ||
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Look at kill flavours and do some math. there were 3 shots n1 (one claimed by me, two unclaimed) there was 1 shot n2 and TEC is dead, which is the kill flavour for the paramedics. Whatever happened to him was not a mafia shot and we are missing a shot. Either there was another town shot n1 against KJ or Austin or there was a mafia shot protected n2. Just something to think about. Kush, it does seem like we're all there is yes. Believe me being stuck in a game with just you and DP isn't really what I wanted either. I hope some things will actually be posted while I'm out though this town needs to get its act together if we want to win. | ||
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Some guys are dead and we haven't learned anything by reading. Now I'm gone for real and annoyed that I didn't actually figure something out. See you guys in some hours. Good luck. | ||
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Fuck. Fuckity fuck fuck a duck. Having him no flip is going to be awful. Also, what the hell happened, I leave and everyone comes out of the woodwork, its not like I bite guys. BC, sorry to hear about your gandma, I'm glad things are better. (If you are sucm lying about this I hope you get gangrene and lose at least one toe). So, it seems to me the scummiest players are (in no real order) Risk, Matt (!!!!!flippingnoflip!!!!!), VE, Coag and Kier. BC gets a chance to redeem himself because of his family emergency. RL does happen and I'm okay seeing what he can provide us. Trying to ignore the scum WIFOM bombs on his 3rd party status. I wouldn't mind a lynch on him eventually though if it seems like scum are eliminated. They have as much reason to want 3rd party dead as we do and, I assume based on what they said, he is bullet proof. I'd love some input from everyone in the general theme of the Talis plan. Top three scum reads one sentence description on the reasons. Commit yourselves. hapa: saving this for the postgame but I agree with what Risk said. You aren't playing to your wincon, you are playing to be an ass. Risk, I've waited a full cycle. If you don't provide both cases and reads in this night cylce you will have my vote as soon as the next day cycle begins. | ||
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On October 08 2012 19:15 Kreb wrote: I've got a what I would call pretty strong town read on BC so almost no chance I'll be supporting any case on him. And its not because of his pretty contributory posts, which I dont doubt he'd be able to do as scum too. Why then? Because of this: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This stands out to me for one major reason. It makes perfect sense for mafia to push node as a distraction case regardless of the fact shady flipped green. Ask VE or Node if they remember a game in the high 30's or low 40s run by FW with the weird mason mechanic (each player could mason any two players they chose but only two players) where on day 3 or 4 as mafia my entire team sat firmly on two sides of a townie vs townie lynch pushing each. Also pushing node as a "distraction" case would be perfect if austin is red. Why? Because it got heat off himself. However, this is me merely clearing up something I find instantly wrong and misleading. In regards to the lynch yesterday. Not sure how shady was lynched, thought we had passed that when I was active in the thread yesterday. Also not sure how the node picked up so much steam the way it did given that the main person pushing said case was under some heat from people and the votes were slowly swinging the way. Why do you ask? Because node had so very few posts and was easy to cherry pick. The case was also poor on him given the fact that well, its node. The only thing that speaks badly about his posting thus far is the lack of it. Making odd posts like he has is very typical of his play regardless of alignment, and the biggest tell is his lack of involvement in the game. Rather then making a case on his posts someone should have brought up the fact that a veteran player had made such few and weird looking posts as the main tell over his one sentence on his why he thought shady wasn't scum. I am back for most of the night so I will go through the thread to make sure I can get more info out given that I have a horrible trend of dying day 1's these days. Context: I presented my thought in the Node wagon and the conclusions from it. Marv entered a discussion with me to discredit me/my case and to deny any support of it. He probably did a pretty good job of it actually since I wasnt really getting much support, although it was during an inactive part of the day. In comes BC and drops the fact that Marvs reasoning was flawed. Now, why the fuck would you do that as scum? Unless its some really deep plan behind it, if you're marvs scum buddy at that time you stfu and hope Marvs arguing gets support from the masses while I get discredited. yeah I would say it seems he is not allied with marv (I'm scared about two scum factions because of stupid aperture); but it seems like a Node defense. Calling it similar to mafia on two townies. Node ain't no townie. Thanks for bringing that to my attention though, I'll keep it in mind. Do you think it is more likely he is town or SK(since you are sure he isn't with Marv).? Why? In case it wasn't clear I wouldn't vote BC next cycle without more reasoning than can be provided now. For the moment I want Risk to die first. Also: where the hell do you live? no one is ever on when I come home from work. Except for DP. | ||
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On October 08 2012 19:56 Kreb wrote: Well, trying to pinpoint the SK with 16ppl left seems a bit futile. We dont even know the SKs wincon. If we knew it we might have had a chance to see whos playing towards that wincon, but as of now Im just disregarding the SK in any discussion of peoples alignments. And I live in Sweden (posting and reading a bit from work though). Fair enough, the binary town/anti-town might be just what we need. Who do you want to lynch tomorrow? (short list is acceptable if you don't want to give one read to be WIFOM'd at should you die). Makes sense, timezones are weird. | ||
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On October 08 2012 20:24 Kreb wrote: Im gonna drop all my reasons to vote VE in one big post before this night so its out there should I die. Considering you all seem to be very reluctant to throw suspicions my way (awww <3) I think I might be considered a target by mafia at least. That, however, is not something I'd like to do at work though. =) But hey, we can always hope we get another Paramedic self-kill! Really? You want a paramedic to die again. I hope not and I doubt town would survive that happening. Too many people are doing nothing because the lynch is a forgone conclusion; BC thinks town is in a good position and he would be right if the remaining players were promoting a good town atmosphere but they really aren't. Killing the SK removes KP which (in this situation) it would be optimal to use against town. Also we have to lynch him eventually, literally have to. Mementoss: Hapa/Node was not a mafia vig. He was a goon carrying out the NK. Can you elaborate on your role changing? What was it before the clues were removed? Since you are a likely NK please share your scum reads with us before the deadline, that is who do you think is scum besides Kush. Thank you. On October 09 2012 03:08 Mattchew wrote: hey guys sorry i missed the last 2 days. was away from home all weekend So, how is HOTS? And what the hell are any of your reads. About anything. Is Matt still in this game or is he going to be modkilled? | ||
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On October 09 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote: Meh, some people already read it, so its kind of pointless to edit it now :o Bah, I missed it. Is that all you want to add though, really? On October 09 2012 05:54 risk.nuke wrote: Why do you believe the third party is sk? If the 3rd party was a survivor it would be better for him to claim the role and let everyone leave him alone. DrH says This game will consist of a town, mafia and a single third party player. The third party player winning will not end the game unless he meets a more difficult and specific condition. If there was a way for him to win without ending the game he could ally himself with town, share his wincon and work towards a victory where he is not killed. | ||
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On October 09 2012 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I may or may not buy it - but I think BC is not tomorrow's lynch. I prefer Kush. I actually have to agree with the bolded. Assuming Mementoss is telling the truth Scum tried to kill BC, ergo BC is not scum. He is either Vet or SK/3rd party/whatever. I would prefer to lynch scum, especially since I'm not totally confidant that 3rd party has night kills and if he doesn't than all the better for us, when it gets to super late game and getting the 3rd party really matters we can reconsider BC. Or, if it seems like 3rd party does have night kills we can go looking again. I prefer a risk lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On October 09 2012 06:54 Keirathi wrote: This is what I hate about after-the-fact edits. Mementoss willingly gave information about his role without hesitation when Promethelax asked, but had to edit it out because he was ninja'd by BM24. Save it for the post game (that is what I'm doing). Instead of bitching about the host decisions maybe you can grace us with a read. You are better than your play in this game. I know you have been doubting your abilities as a townie recently but maybe you could at least try to do some analysis, get some reads and get a post out before deadline. Pre Post Edit: I see that we agree about the reasons that this is a shitty host decision. Leave it dude, nothing we can do about it. We're in the middle of a game and being stuck on this won't help town at all. You've posted more on not being able to talk about Memen's post than you have about anything in days. It affected your read, eh? Well what read is that? | ||
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On October 09 2012 07:09 Keirathi wrote: That I almost 100% believe Mementoss's claim at this point. As far as BC...I think its about 50/50 whether he's SK or Vet. We don't know enough about the scum numbers or KP to be able to decidedly prove that there's an SK, IMO. And claiming that he was medic protected as a Vet does make some modicum of sense. Its probably what I would do if I knew there were save notifications (ie austin). I'm...not sure he's worth lynching tomorrow. Even if he is SK, SK at this point is probably wants to shoot townies but doesn't want to overlap his shots. So he would be aiming for less obvious townies (which could be beneficial to us, as it gets rid of some controversial townies), and may end up inadvertently hitting scum. My next read is going to be about risk.nuke. I'm going through some logs and checking a previous game. I'll post it soon. People keep saying how ahead we are, is that really true? do you think we're at a 13-2-1 situation right now or 12-3-1 or what? I see those still being pretty balanced. We've lost some power roles, scum has lost their GF. And, most importantly, we have had almost no discussion for two cycles. How do you see us as so far ahead of scum that SK wants to eliminate townies? VE, Kier, thanks for participating. Its nice to see you guys posting more. VE: if Kush were to be Vig'd who would you want to lynch next Day? Kier: What do you think of our lurking contingent, there are a lot of good players not joining in, which of the is towniest and which scummiest? | ||
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On October 09 2012 11:46 Coagulation wrote: PUSSY DESTROYER ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FbtHG.gif) What the fuck are you doing? Kier: good point on Risk. I'll take another look, how about Matt? I feel like he would contribute more as town than he is contributing right now, since reactivating he has done nothing. RL happens but when you (Matt) are actively lurking and not posting there is a problem. Speaking of RL my fiance just came back from thanksgiving with her family. I'll be a little busier in the coming days and certainly less active (except when I post from school while bored with class). | ||
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