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On October 07 2012 17:37 ShiaoPi wrote: look at LVI, made weak cases on bke and hyaach as well... Do meta properly if you do so, seriously.
Your thoughts about toutestchaos dying after fingering me and kush is wifom and you know it.
Yes it is WIFOM but I feel it is worth considering. I will look over your filter from LVI but it is going to take me a while.
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Home from work, catching up. DP, I love playing games with you no one else is awake when I come home.
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On October 07 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 13:09 kushm4sta wrote:fuck me I'm triple posting... this is why you don't post 1 liners I guess. Soft Defense of Playbad VetsThis group is being FOSed by a lot of people (including me) just because they have very low activity and they are known to be good and experienced mafia players. This group definitely includes but is not probably not limited to: BloodyC0bbler, Keirathi, VisceraEyesTo use their inactivity as a scumtell I think is unfair. Here is why: There are too many of them to all be scum. Therefore something else must be causing vets to afk - IRL issues are very real. Especially for people who have a life (job, wife).
- Cluttering of the thread. This is the fault of 1) marv/hapa 2) useless posts from noobs.
- There is no urgency since we don't have to decide on a lynch.
- General disinterest. They have been playing for a long time. They lost their passion for forum mafia.
If you read their activity before they start lurking, it's mostly decent and what you'd expect. I propose we focus on scum targets with more evidence than "they usually play better." Wat. 1) I'm not a vet by any means. I'm relatively new to these forums (I think I started in June? July? I have like 6 games played, and 2 currently going). I certainly haven't lost my passion for the game. I had some outside things interfere with the game, and then we've had what...5 days worth of confirmed scum to lynch. My other game is just more urgent than this one. 2) There are a ton of things in my filter to accuse me for, besides inactivity. Hell, I don't even think that me being inactive is the reason anyone is accusing me, outside of the fact that I asked you why you signed up if you weren't going to play, then have proceeded to not give the game much attention. But mostly its because, although I was quite active on day 1, I haven't done any scumhunting. The fact that seem to be randomly giving me a town read and saying to look for better targets is hella fucking suspicious. There's basically no way anyone should have a town read on me right now in this game.
True enough, no one should have a town read on you. You have always been one of my favourite players but this game makes me want to never play with you or most of the forum vets again. I hope you are scum so there is an excuse for your play. If you do not start scum hunting I will make sure you die, I've promised you this before and I'll promise it again: if you aren't town with me I'll do everything I can to make you swing.
On October 07 2012 11:14 kushm4sta wrote:Less than 1 hour before the d1 lynch this is what the vote looks like: + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 12:21 BlackMamba24 wrote: Day 1 Vote Count
Shady Sands (7): Marvellosity, Coagulation, kushm4sta, Risen, iamperfection, Mementoss, risk.nuke, austinmcc, ShiaoPi, kushm4sta, BroodKingEXE, Node, kingjames01
kingjames01 (2): keirathi, mkfuba07, kreb, marvellosity, VisceraEyes, Mattchew, kushm4sta, austinmcc, Z-Boson
kushm4sta (1): Node, Mementoss, annul
VisceraEyes (1): Talismania, Z-Boson
Mementoss (0): kingjames01
austinmcc (3): kreb, mkfuba07, BloodyC0bbler
risk.nuke (1): Sharrant
Node (7): Marvellosity, VisceraEyes, austinmcc, kushm4sta, Z-Boson, iamperfection, BroodKingEXE, kingjames01
The following players have not voted: AdmiralAardvark, SlOosh, Shady Sands,
Friendly reminder to use the Voting Thread to have your vote counted. It's a little under 1 hour till deadline. Currently, Node is set to be lynched. (Tie with Shady Sands, he acquired 7 before Shady)
We now know that this was a bandwagon created by scum and directed at scum. At this point it's 7 for node and 7 for Shady. Scum are really scared right now. Z-boson is the first scum to leave the bandwagon. He moves his vote to Coag, someone who isn't even a candidate for d1 lynch. (He thinks it makes him look less suspicious than switching to shady who he knows will flip town.) Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote: Allright, there he is. I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch. I'm going with coagulation because of what I've stated earlier on him. He hasn't posted anything useful so far and flows along with content-less posts. Shows no real interest in scum hunting and his association with me on shady sands is ridiculous, as if he is incapable of reading. ##Unvote ##Vote Coagulation Well not giving a shit about meta is quite dumb. Also he moves from someone who looks actually scummy to someone who's meta points to null. At that time austin (confirmed town) posts about some of the resistance to the node lynch. He singles out coag, z-boson, and sloosh. Note that all 3 of these guys still look quite scummy. Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:36 austinmcc wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I can't stay up for deadline. My vote is staying on node. In the same way that some may have concerns about the way votes are coming in, look at some of the votes going elsewhere, or admonitions to go elsewhere: On October 02 2012 12:17 Coagulation wrote: Everyone keep your votes on shady sands. Node bandwagon looked scummy as fuck and only makes shady look even scummier. Wagon looks scummy. Nothing about node himself, nothing about node's posts On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote: Allright, there he is. I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch. I'm going with coagulation because of what I've stated earlier on him. He hasn't posted anything useful so far and flows along with content-less posts. Shows no real interest in scum hunting and his association with me on shady sands is ridiculous, as if he is incapable of reading. ##Unvote ##Vote Coagulation Dude who randomly mentions Node On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady.
With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched.
The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former.
##Vote: Shady Sands Node lynch is "strange." Is Node himself scummy? Are Node's posts scummy? Paraphrasing austin: COAG discredits the bandwagon without even mentioning the scum was being bandwagoned. Z-BOSON previously randomly referenced forgettable node post 5 hours after the fact. SWOOSH also talks about the "nature" of the bandwagon. OFC he thinks it's off, because he knows his scumbuddies orchestrated it. In summary: more pressure on z-boson please. Holy mother of a three headed fuck. This is some actual thoughts. Does anyone know if Kush is capable of this on his own? I'm suddenly worried he is being helped. But actually a good point, I thought we had no useful lynch voting to look at since we unanimously voted Mar and now Hapa. Time to look at scum vs town lynch day one.
Players still alive that switched off of Node D1: Kush, Z-Boson, Iamperfection. Of those, two ended up on Shady while Z-bo ended up on Coag.
Players that switched onto Shady from others: Fuba (Deceased townie), Sloosh (still alive) and Annul (deceased townie).
At least one of Sloosh, Kush, Z-bo and Iamp is scum in my opinion. (Austin tells us to look Slooshward, Z-boward and Coagward for the scum + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 12:36 austinmcc wrote:I can't stay up for deadline. My vote is staying on node. In the same way that some may have concerns about the way votes are coming in, look at some of the votes going elsewhere, or admonitions to go elsewhere: Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:17 Coagulation wrote: Everyone keep your votes on shady sands. Node bandwagon looked scummy as fuck and only makes shady look even scummier. Wagon looks scummy. Nothing about node himself, nothing about node's posts Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote: Allright, there he is. I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch. I'm going with coagulation because of what I've stated earlier on him. He hasn't posted anything useful so far and flows along with content-less posts. Shows no real interest in scum hunting and his association with me on shady sands is ridiculous, as if he is incapable of reading. ##Unvote ##Vote Coagulation Dude who randomly mentions Node Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady.
With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched.
The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former.
##Vote: Shady Sands Node lynch is "strange." Is Node himself scummy? Are Node's posts scummy?
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Working on that vote count I remembered that Talis was playing. Any of you remember I can't believe its not themed? Talis played such a lurky disinterested scum game that I suggested a (pretty dumb) change in set up.
His response was: On July 23 2012 07:43 talismania wrote: It's not flavor that I don't like. I don't like deceiving, manipulating, scheming etc. I like figuring shit out, combing through evidence, putting patterns together.
Vets this game: I hate you all.
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On October 07 2012 19:30 Promethelax wrote:Working on that vote count I remembered that Talis was playing. Any of you remember I can't believe its not themed? Talis played such a lurky disinterested scum game that I suggested a (pretty dumb) change in set up. His response was: Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 07:43 talismania wrote: It's not flavor that I don't like. I don't like deceiving, manipulating, scheming etc. I like figuring shit out, combing through evidence, putting patterns together. Vets this game: I hate you all.
I replaced talis. He is no longer playing. So I don't know what the point of this post is.
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About Kush's analysis. That is beyond anything I have seen from him in terms of actual quality analysis in the 3 games of his I obs'd and the 2 I have since played with him. It is a striking difference from that play and even the play in this game. Either he is improving in his play. or he is being coached in the QT. I find both plausible at this point and certainly don;t want to lynch him for sound analysis.
That being said. I do want to lynch him for All the reasons I have already brought up.
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@dp all your reasons are 1 me fucking with you and 2 me fucking with you
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On October 07 2012 21:50 kushm4sta wrote: @dp all your reasons are 1 me fucking with you and 2 me fucking with you
And very little scum hunting in that very large filter of yours.
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@prome There are so many afk vets they are not all scum. Probably at least one is scum but they have contributed so little that it's impossible to tell which.
These guys are probably quite good at playing mafia. Something as obvious as afking is not a scumtell. That is why I think we should focus on another group of potential mafia.
##fos risk, z boson, coag, sloosh
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On October 07 2012 22:38 kushm4sta wrote: @prome There are so many afk vets they are not all scum. Probably at least one is scum but they have contributed so little that it's impossible to tell which.
These guys are probably quite good at playing mafia. Something as obvious as afking is not a scumtell. That is why I think we should focus on another group of potential mafia.
##fos risk, z boson, coag, sloosh
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Nice of you to emerge from lurking as soon as your name is mentioned. Can you explain to me the relevance of your picture? I know it's insulting me but I don't what the insult is.
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closer look at z-boson leading up to d1 lynch
On October 02 2012 11:04 Z-BosoN wrote: Omfg austin really loves me. I'm just going to ignore you this time, I make an oath that your bad arguments will bother me no more. You also seem a lot more scummy this game. At least on LVII your arguments made sense, from an ape's perspective. Right now you just seem desperate. I, Z-BosoN, solemnly swear, to never defend myself from austin's scrutiny ever again. This whole post is overly defensive, and defensive in the wrong ways. 1 He says he is just going to ignore austin. Austin's attacks have been very light up to thos point though. He says he is going to ignore them like they are some constant thing that is interfering with his scumhunting. Scum zboson says this line in order to make himself look like he isn't being overdefensive and cares primarily about scumhunting. 2 He tries to discredit austin's suspicions with a weak meta read based purely on omgus.
More on z boson incoming. Making big posts on your phone is a major bitch.
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On October 07 2012 20:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 19:30 Promethelax wrote:Working on that vote count I remembered that Talis was playing. Any of you remember I can't believe its not themed? Talis played such a lurky disinterested scum game that I suggested a (pretty dumb) change in set up. His response was: On July 23 2012 07:43 talismania wrote: It's not flavor that I don't like. I don't like deceiving, manipulating, scheming etc. I like figuring shit out, combing through evidence, putting patterns together. Vets this game: I hate you all. I replaced talis. He is no longer playing. So I don't know what the point of this post is.
The point is I'm an idiot. Sorry about that. Ignore that post. Thanks for the insight on Kush, I'd love to hear from anyone else what they think about his new found ability to think.
On October 07 2012 22:38 kushm4sta wrote: @prome There are so many afk vets they are not all scum. Probably at least one is scum but they have contributed so little that it's impossible to tell which.
These guys are probably quite good at playing mafia. Something as obvious as afking is not a scumtell. That is why I think we should focus on another group of potential mafia.
##fos risk, z boson, coag, sloosh
Not giving a shit is a scum tell for both Risk and Matt, probably for VE as well. Coag I don't know and Kier is playing scummy as fuck though he isn't a vet. What are you waiting for? One of them to claim scum? Also, I notice that you think Risk is worth fosing, why not Matt? what differentiates their play that makes Matt more town?
Risk. Play like a man. Don't fuck around. I know you are a good town player and I know you aren't an idiot. I'm still waiting on that case you promised me when I joined this game. Actually I'm waiting for any contribution from you. I know not all of you vets playing scummy can be scum but by god I'd lynch you all if I could.
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On October 07 2012 23:33 kushm4sta wrote:closer look at z-boson leading up to d1 lynchShow nested quote +On October 02 2012 11:04 Z-BosoN wrote: Omfg austin really loves me. I'm just going to ignore you this time, I make an oath that your bad arguments will bother me no more. You also seem a lot more scummy this game. At least on LVII your arguments made sense, from an ape's perspective. Right now you just seem desperate. I, Z-BosoN, solemnly swear, to never defend myself from austin's scrutiny ever again. This whole post is overly defensive, and defensive in the wrong ways. 1 He says he is just going to ignore austin. Austin's attacks have been very light up to thos point though. He says he is going to ignore them like they are some constant thing that is interfering with his scumhunting. Scum zboson says this line in order to make himself look like he isn't being overdefensive and cares primarily about scumhunting. 2 He tries to discredit austin's suspicions with a weak meta read based purely on omgus. More on z boson incoming. Making big posts on your phone is a major bitch.
More incoming? Its been two hours. Don't make promises you don't follow though on, doing that is scummy as fuck and why Risk is my #1 scum read right now (after Hapa obviously)/
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stfu prom.. its coming. currently almost done in another tab. you should realize that 1 I'm at work so sometimes I have to do shit. 2 I'm on my phone so making cases with quotes is a bitch and 3 this case is fucking epic long.
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zboson's overreliance on meta, except when scum needs him to change his vote. Then meta is worthless.
On October 01 2012 22:27 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I don't know coag, and I don't know VE. On coag, its a pity that's how he plays then, I hate ppl like that. Hope seeing his brilliant play in day 2. [...] Marv, I just don't feel that way. Shady usually comes off scummy as shit no matter his alignment, so I don't think that is enough to push a lynch. He references coags and shadys meta.
On October 01 2012 23:09 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@marv Yea his not making a single case yet with no followup for his vote on me is definitely suspicious. In XXIV he was all over the place. I don't like how most of the votes on him are based solely on the trolliness, which is an entirely different saspect. Kush is another player that is heavily scummy, and he has a very hard time making cases when he's scum, so I'd rather wait a bit before taking a stance on him. another reference to shadys meta. a reference to my meta.
On October 02 2012 11:04 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler + You also seem a lot more scummy this game. At least on LVII your arguments made sense, from an ape's perspective. Right now you just seem desperate.
]/spoiler] a reference to austins meta
On October 02 2012 11:06 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler + That being said, regarding Node, I'm definitely up for it. BC's meta on kj has softened my feel towards KJ, and Node's one post to AWOL is very scum-like.
a reference to kjs meta
On October 02 2012 12:02 Z-BosoN wrote: + Show Spoiler + Also, I can't find a good lynch target, so I'm viewing this mostly as a policy lynch. KJ still seems pretty damn scummy to me, but like BC pointed out, that's meta-consistent. (Right now in Day 1 I'm putting a lot of faith on what people are saying regarding meta. For example, I would rather lynch coag due to his shit posting, but apparently it's just the way he plays)
He mentions kjs meta again and speaks to the importance of meta in d1 reads. Then he mentions coags meta again as the reason he won't vote for him.
On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch. [...] ##Unvote ##Vote Coagulation
So this is his reasoning for dropping node for coag. Suddenly, after primarily basing his reads on meta, he decides aw hell with meta, I'm going to vote for this scummy looking guy who has no chance of being lynched. @zboson Please explain why you suddenly decided to not give a shit about meta after treating it like your bible.
Especially since later you continue to make meta a large part of your reads. Here is you being sheeping on shiaopi due to JUST meta: Here's you On October 04 2012 11:55 Z-BosoN wrote:[spoiler] Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:32 ToutEstChaos wrote:On October 04 2012 00:07 ShiaoPi wrote:On October 04 2012 00:05 ToutEstChaos wrote: Read thread plox cool story bro Extremely cool, because it means you're scum. ShiaoPi is an analytical player whose ability to post cases isn't great, but he thinks a lot about the game and reads the thread extensively. Even for a normal player, though, the kind of slip-up ShiaoPi made is unusual-- it means that at the time he made this post, he hadn't extensively read the thread since the day-post, or hadn't thought about it clearly. This is not useful to town and not what ShiaoPi or anyone does. His statement: On October 03 2012 23:56 ShiaoPi wrote: There is still KP missing I think. Risen was not shot by scum (see marv's reaction lol) I have a hard time believing that both KJ and annul got shot by scum, much more likely that at least one of them ate a vigshot. Austin got shot and was saved.
So that makes it a total of 3 shots, assuming a vigshot on KJ/annul there is one more mafia KP around unaccounted for (at least if this game more or less follows the pattern of other big games) isn't unusually stupid or anything-- but it doesn't follow a pattern of logic a townie would use. When he speculates about the night kills (showing a night-oriented mindset), he thinks mafia has 3 KP. Even if this is reasonable, it's set-up speculation on D2, and it's not pushing us in the right direction. I didn't get totally on him because I wanted to see what he'd do after the FoS, and that was this: On October 04 2012 02:28 ShiaoPi wrote:okay I am heading to bed now, sharing this before I do so: mkfuba07:First thing that struck me was the timing of the early game movements fuba did with marv. This + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 07:19 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm back from class and should be here until the lynch.
Like marv I may have to reconsider KJ. If he's bound to give himself away with his actions pretty quickly, then I can wait it out. I never found his "spy slip" scummy, just his interaction with Kei where he seemed to be implying that Kei was scummy, only to follow it up by saying he didn't say that. It could be considered as an accusation and distancing, but it could just be statement of facts as he saw them.
My problem is that I'm not sure about voting for kush or shady. I'm not a fan of how either of them are playing, but I don't necessarily get scum from them. Shady is being incredibly strange with his absence, but that's not in keeping with either his town or scum metas. I didn't like Kush's policy lynch because "shady was mean to me", but that also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment.
I'm going to take a look at austin. I'll also probably think a bit about mementoss, just 'cause. is awfully close to + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote: Your point on austin is way better though, BC There are a couple of things about austin:
- he gives way too much thought and time to setup speculation and shenannies and can go off on tangents.
So with that alone I wouldn't find him banging on about spy that relevant, except for two things (which you mention)
- the fact that it specifies pretty damn clearly in the OP that all available role names are known to us - that's all he's talked about having been absent for a long time.
If you're gonna derp around talking about setup and spy lololol you'd imagine you'd at least fucking read the setup first. Gonna give his filter another look. Anyway I'm gonna unvote kj for now
##unvote Only half an hour passes and fuba is here: + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 07:46 mkfuba07 wrote:What bothers me most about austin is what's already been said: he apologizes for his absence, and then follows it up by only mentioning the spy-slip. Is that really all there is to talk about right now? His first post of the game also bothers me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 00:29 austinmcc wrote:Man I missed a fun night.On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote: I voted for shady because he called me a troll. There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me.
Also I'm not a fan of his content. Maybe I need to read some past games of kush's, but this didn't seem as scummy to me as it does to others. Poor reason to vote, sure, but he could have just voted based on "wtf is shady doing/I don't buy this" and not looked odd. Don't see any reason to make himself this visible as scum with a sillyvote when a real explanation is easily at hand. + Show Spoiler +I think we should lynch BM24... On September 29 2012 10:37 BlackMamba24 wrote: game will start with a 24 hr night 0 by the way You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. After that he gets trapped in spy-slip land, when that issue can be resolved by reading the OP. He's posted a lot (comparatively) and yet has said little except that he didn't find kush too scummy hours ago. Not sure if scummy or just busy+confused... While his vote comes later at around 8:30 timestamp, keep this in mind for the bigger picture. Now to his voting behaviour closer to lynch + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 12:33 mkfuba07 wrote: ##Unvote
Austin's posts since returning have made me throw that vote out the window.
As for Node's posting frequency, I don't see that as much different than his behavior in DN mafia... Does he normally contribute more? As for his content, I see the slight "lie" but I can see no reason to intentionally "lie" like that as scum. What would he gain?
Of the two on the block right now, I'd rather vote for Shady. As I said before, I'm not naturally inclined to vote for him D1, but I don't want to vote for someone who I haven't seen anything scummy from. While I didn't see his excuse for trolling as terribly scummy, and I believe his absence could be explained somehow, the fact that he hasn't done it or actively participated in any way since his last post makes me want him gone.
##Vote Shady Sands He now is content with a shady lynch before switching it up again after half an hour + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 13:05 mkfuba07 wrote: Ugh, this is driving me crazy. I'm not a huge fan of any of the possibilities...
I'm going to change my vote again. If we can get a better replacement for Shady I think keeping him in is going to be better than keeping Node in. I got completely screwed in DN Mafia because it was down to Node, myself, another pretty inactive player, and scum marv, and there was no discussion. I don't want to be in that situation again.
Not sure if this will do anything, but:
##Unvote ##Vote Node Now why the hell does he bank on a modkill (that like in 99% of the cases does not come) and tries to lynch node again? Feels a lot like confusing town and disrupting us in the crucial timeperiod around lynch. After the lynch he gets asked about an update on Node and he gives out this: + Show Spoiler +On October 03 2012 06:25 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 04:30 austinmcc wrote: mkfuba, what is your read on Node? How do you view annul's actions before the lynch? I'm still feeling really stupid for not being able to understand what's so scummy about Node's defense of Shady. There were plenty of good players voting for Node, and as town OR scum I don't see them voting for someone for stupid reasons. Despite what you've said before, I have been reading the thread. My reading comprehension being as crappy as it is, I can't pinpoint what makes his defense scummy. Did scum Node gain something from lying in his defense of Shady? Or was it just that he appeared to not be reading the thread, and is trying to participate with a minimum of effort/gaining some town-cred for defending town-Shady? Or something else entirely that I haven't considered because I'm bad at this game? ...(checking through filters)... ...And now, having more closely checked the the timestamps, which I incorrectly read last time, Node's jumped up quite a bit in scumminess. When I looked the first time, I missed the fact that the two posts (shady's last post where he actually made a read at all, and Node's defense) were on different days. I thought Node's happened within hours of Shady's FoS on kush, so I didn't really see it as too absurd for him to say that Shady had been pushing targets. I think I now understand why the defense was scummy (and I feel like a dumbass for not being able to read). Shady did nothing to warrant defending him, and the fact that Node defended him, with evidence that was the opposite of the truth, is strange. The fact that Node seemed to have reasons to find Shady town when the evidence he provides is contrived makes me think that he had another reason to believe Shady to be town that he didn't want to mention. Thus, Node seems scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this feels right to me. Basically you can sum it up as "I dunno, he seems scummy" It's a great wall of fluff besides the timestamp remark. Keeps pushing node and throws annul into the mix as scum as well for being against the node lynch. Now after the nightphase resolves and marv is as good as confirmed scum through his reactions he goes after VE. While I can understand it (having made suspicions on VE as well) it feels quite sudden. No mentions of VE earlier and no more mentioning of Node. He also occasionally calls mementoss out (which is pretty easy to do anyway). Summarizing: I think there is a decent chance for fuba to flip scum, reasoning: fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, continued to try to push for Node but as soon as marv gets outed he switches onto VE with no more mentioning of Node, whom he previously had targeted quite extensively. What happened to your Node read fuba?
On another note, BKE, what have you been doing all game long? Who is your highest read besides the no-brainer vote on marv? Although I give ShiaoPi credit for writing something, overall this is bad. Assuming, for example, that because mkfuba07 and marvellosity posted similar things at similar times they are scum together, is like super bad. Sure, maybe they were talking about it in their scum QT together and happened to post at the same time, but that sort of interaction in scum QTs (in my experience) typically delineates explicitly who will say what. Townies (or a townie and a scum) often say shit at the same time that means the same thing. Think about it: how many times have you been "ninjaed" in a mafia game by someone and one of you was town? The next it of ShiaoPi's case rests on the fact that mkfuba changed his mind a few times without making a huge amount of sense. He said this is "confusing town", but really, anyone who's played with mkfuba (and similarly incompetent players) know that this is in fact "confused townie". One part of ShiaoPi's case does in fact point out scummy stuff that mkfuba does: his node read is inconsistent later on, and he pushes it half-heartedly. This is fair point, and also the right point to end a case on if the other points are weak, made up crap that scum use to fluff out their post count. Granted, it's also chronologically the last point so it makes sense to go there, but the fact of the matter is, it is what it is. This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning: >fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, This is not what scum does to other scum. Come on, you've all played scum. This wasn't a scum fuba following scum marv. Look at Marv's previous scumgames. He wouldn't let shit like that happen. This is a scared town fuba in a big game deciding to attach his lips to the ass of the strongest, biggest, most familiar vet he could find: Marv. ShiaoPi, you continue to fail to impress, and since I've called you out you've posted even less. Unless you want to be vigied at best you should respond properly to this ##FoS This seems pretty legit. I've played with shiaopi in LVII and it was a totally different ball game. He was low and quiet during most of the game and finished it with brilliant dead-on reads. I agree with our french (smurf?) friend that his line of reasoning is extremely weak and forced compared to his LVII play. k prom is getting impatient so I'm gonna wrap this up but look at his filter. His next post is some thoughts about my meta. Then he makes the wishy washiest "I suspect him but I don't" case on splooge. Guess what?? It references his meta with a link to some random past game.
hard ##fos zboson
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hey, open question to anyone who is town. Look at the day posts, look at the kill flavours. What do you notice? After you figure it out we should talk about this. Seriously.
open question to Kush: why are you trying now when yo never have before? What happened to make you make cases?
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@prom So you, me and darth are the only ones still playing? And darth is so tunnelvisioned on me it seems like he can't even think about anything else. Why risk over Matt? Well.honestly I haven't done a lot of thinking about either. However your case on Risk made sense to me while your case on Matt is more like trust me, I know this guy. I read Matt's filter and I find anything.
Regarding my sudden improvement in play: You should realize that I'm very active even if I don't have anything to add or have time to try to figure things out. I am on my phone, reading the thread, posting whatever I feel like saying, agreeing or disagreeing with cases. That is what I've been doing. To people who say this or that about my meta, realize that this is only my third game as town. And the first shouldn't even count it was so bad.
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I'm playing!
I"M BACK HONIES! DID YOU MISS ME?
Ok ok I was lying about the Chris Hansen thing.
I'm actually Mitt Romney, and 47% of you all are scum feeding off the government!
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On October 08 2012 02:21 Promethelax wrote: hey, open question to anyone who is town. Look at the day posts, look at the kill flavours. What do you notice? After you figure it out we should talk about this. Seriously. I don't notice anything. You do know that there are no clues anymore.
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