Liquid City Mafia - Page 9

On October 12 2012 10:14 DarthPunk wrote:
To expand on the node thing.

Why would ZB unvpte node to save node and lynch shady if he had previously thought node was scummy enough to vote for?

The obvious consequence is that shady is more likely lynched after unvoting node. So ZB backflipped from thinking node was scum to backflipping so much as to indirectly aid the lynch of someone he thought was town. To save someone else he thought was town but had just voted for?

And all this just happens to derail a scum lynch day one?

Right.

On October 11 2012 14:32 Z-BosoN wrote:
Ok. Annul, a confirmed townie, had this to say:



And here I show some reluctance. I wasn't hardcore voting him, mentioning it as a "policy lynch".


Also, more (kinda) confirmed town expressing resistance over the node lynch:



And finally my switch:



Allright, there he is is what I said. I said earlier that I was jumping on his wagon because he seemed to feign a contribution and disappear. Later, however, he comes back and argues against the lynch. He came back, and his defense seemed reasonable. That led me into making the above post.

Anyways, two things. First off, not wanting Node lynched is what scum want, but they aren't willing to throw it out in the open, so as to draw attention. annul opposed, Coag opposed, so that criterion alone is not good to define scum.

Obviously, my case is a little different, because I voted and then unvoted.
I immediately jumped on the wagon. So either me and my mafia buddies were planning this all along in the mafia QT, or I, as a bad townie, saw both VE and marv jump in and decided to sheep.

So, in my opinion, me planning to jump in, then later, jump out if things got rough is pretty silly, don't you think? Wouldn't it be much easier to just go ahead and vote someone else? Why go through the trouble is what I'm saying. A scum will only vote for his scum friend to get town cred from a bus. What other reason is there?

Another thing to ponder is: if that was my plan all along, why didn't I jump off at a much later time, when the votes were more meaningful? If I want town cred, yet don't want to lynch my scum friend, the most reasonable thing to do is just that, right? Stay in the bus and pop off if it makes a difference.

What I don't understand for you to want to lynch me, is why does it make more sense for me to be scum than be a townie with a bad start? I completely changed my gameplay after that event, as I said I would. Once my other game was over, I became a lot more participative and began actually scumhunting. Both you and DP have seen my play as both scum and townie, and how I was playing in day one is not even close to any of them. That is because my claim of not having enough time is legit.

So, if you want to lynch me, you are throwing everything about my play day2 and beyond in the toilet. You are lynching me mainly because of one event, which is very easily justifiable by being a townie mistake. Why do I make a better lynch, than say Mattchew, who has done absolutely nothing since the beginning of the game except tell people not to lynch shady because of dumb reasons?

Personally I find this very lacking. You disagree, but I think it makes little sense from a scum mindset. My townie explanation, in my mind, is much more fitting if you take in consideration day 2 and beyond, and the fact that I expressed my insatisfaction earlier on, on my vote on him (again, when he showed up and defended himself, I found it reasonable and unvoted him, in accordance to my earlier post, which said he "disappeared"). The scum explanation makes sense, of course, but imo it makes much less sense than my townie one, and not only that, it also ignores every single thing I've changed in my gameplay since day one.

That about sums it up.
Think of my townie explanation, your scummy one, and see which makes more sense, based on what I've said.

On October 12 2012 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Guys I understand that I look bad. But unless you think I'm scum, lynching me is a poor idea. I'm active, I give a shit and I'm going to be here looking for scum. You're talking about lynching me when there are people who don't give a fuck about this game just coming in here and voting the flavor of the cycle. Subtracting the fact that my flip will tell you nothing about anything (I'd be interested to hear what you think my flip will tell you Coag), it's just a bad idea in general. Don't do it guys.

On October 07 2012 17:33 DarthPunk wrote:


The difference is that you made a weak case. And in your town meta you do not make weak cases. YOu make no cases and then you catch 2 scum at LYLO. That is just my experience though. However. Touestchaos' case was good and he clearly knows your meta better than I do. He was also clearly a better player than me.

He also DIED after calling both yourself and kush out.

I can Understand bout being bored as shit with the Paramedic thing. But if you don;t get your shit together along with keir and others. I will come for you.

On October 07 2012 17:39 DarthPunk wrote:


Yes it is WIFOM but I feel it is worth considering. I will look over your filter from LVI but it is going to take me a while.

On October 09 2012 15:03 DarthPunk wrote:


WIFOM. Man. WIFOM.

On October 09 2012 17:16 DarthPunk wrote:


Man Keir. You know this is WIFOM and near useless. Even if Kush flipped this exact argument could keep marv out of hot water.

The way I see it. Is that both node and Kush were targets early and any competent player at that point does not want to lose 2 scum that early .

Anyway. I am not convinced by your WIFOM arguments for obvious reasons. I would ask why would town Kush set WIFOM bombs at me with the express aim of disabling my ability to read him.? Why would he troll and crap up the thread.? Why would he tunnel Viscera Eyes, and none of the players similar to him, as his entire scumhunting contribution this game?

Those are all questions that need to be answered, and I think both you and I know that WIFOMing about what marv would/wouldn't do to make a read on someone is just plain silly.

On October 11 2012 12:15 DarthPunk wrote:


VE is cop. There is no way he would trade 1 for 1 with kush. Especially after Marv and Hapa go down.

This is all WIFOM of course. But I don't see VE fake claiming.

On October 12 2012 10:29 DarthPunk wrote:
We aren't lynching VE. end of story. The lesson learnt is that we don't auto lynch his red checks.