EPTOn October 09 2012 17:37 kushm4sta wrote:
My defense has nothing to do with meta. I'm saying YOUR defense has everything to do with meta so you should read my filter because I think it paints me really green without any consideration of meta.
Everyone is aware of their own meta. Not all reads are based on meta LOL
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On October 09 2012 17:31 DarthPunk wrote:
My case on you has some WIFOM but is far from pure WIFOM. You are aware of your meta so it is useless in making a read on you. And it is funny that your only defense is that you are not playing to your scum meta. Or is there something else that you are trying to achieve by directing me to your filter as your defense.
On October 09 2012 17:24 kushm4sta wrote:
My wifom bombs didn't permanently disable a read of me. Look at my fucking filter, instead of constantly saying that.
Why would I do it as town?? BECAUSE I WAS BUTTHURT how can you not understand this? No I'm not always 100% super serious scumhunt, you should know this.
Yeah Keirathi's defense is pretty wifom. But the idea that Marv defended me so that makes me scum, that is also WIFOM. Your case on me is total wifom.
On October 09 2012 17:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Man Keir. You know this is WIFOM and near useless. Even if Kush flipped this exact argument could keep marv out of hot water.
The way I see it. Is that both node and Kush were targets early and any competent player at that point does not want to lose 2 scum that early .
Anyway. I am not convinced by your WIFOM arguments for obvious reasons. I would ask why would town Kush set WIFOM bombs at me with the express aim of disabling my ability to read him.? Why would he troll and crap up the thread.? Why would he tunnel Viscera Eyes, and none of the players similar to him, as his entire scumhunting contribution this game?
Those are all questions that need to be answered, and I think both you and I know that WIFOMing about what marv would/wouldn't do to make a read on someone is just plain silly.
On October 09 2012 15:32 Keirathi wrote:
Yea, its WIFOM.
But I've been thinking about kush a lot, and VE jumping in and voting for him made me start thinking about it.
Here's my current train of thought (and yes, before you say it, its still WIFOM, but I believe it actually makes some sense). Kush comes under pretty heavy pressure day 1, and marv immediately jumps in to defend him pretty damn hard. Also, kush is the kind of player that's always an easy lynch, so as scum he would at some point be a liability to a scum marv that plans to survive until the end game (and yes, that is always marv's goal. He prides himself of being "unlynchable").
So, lets say it gets to that point and Kush flips scum. Now, because of marv's hard defense, marv looks pretty damn bad. Say what you want about being WIFOM, but scum marv almost never does things that make him look bad. Go read basically any scum game that he has ever played. He busses players that will be a liability to him surviving, and otherwise distances himself from his teammates.
So, the only way for marv not to look bad for hard-defending scum Kush is for him to plan for Kush to never get flipped. And I'm just not sure even marv is capable of that.
Which leads me to the conclusion that either 1) kush is town, or 2) marv planned to have a "change of heart" and bus kush at some point. Based on marv's past games as scum, I think (1) is more likely than (2).
On October 09 2012 15:03 DarthPunk wrote:
WIFOM. Man. WIFOM.
On October 09 2012 14:50 Keirathi wrote:
@VE:
Why was marv so willing to bus Node on day1, but spent time hard defending kush? I certainly don't think its impossible, but that's a pretty extreme dichotomy.
@VE:
Why was marv so willing to bus Node on day1, but spent time hard defending kush? I certainly don't think its impossible, but that's a pretty extreme dichotomy.
WIFOM. Man. WIFOM.
Yea, its WIFOM.
But I've been thinking about kush a lot, and VE jumping in and voting for him made me start thinking about it.
Here's my current train of thought (and yes, before you say it, its still WIFOM, but I believe it actually makes some sense). Kush comes under pretty heavy pressure day 1, and marv immediately jumps in to defend him pretty damn hard. Also, kush is the kind of player that's always an easy lynch, so as scum he would at some point be a liability to a scum marv that plans to survive until the end game (and yes, that is always marv's goal. He prides himself of being "unlynchable").
So, lets say it gets to that point and Kush flips scum. Now, because of marv's hard defense, marv looks pretty damn bad. Say what you want about being WIFOM, but scum marv almost never does things that make him look bad. Go read basically any scum game that he has ever played. He busses players that will be a liability to him surviving, and otherwise distances himself from his teammates.
So, the only way for marv not to look bad for hard-defending scum Kush is for him to plan for Kush to never get flipped. And I'm just not sure even marv is capable of that.
Which leads me to the conclusion that either 1) kush is town, or 2) marv planned to have a "change of heart" and bus kush at some point. Based on marv's past games as scum, I think (1) is more likely than (2).
Man Keir. You know this is WIFOM and near useless. Even if Kush flipped this exact argument could keep marv out of hot water.
The way I see it. Is that both node and Kush were targets early and any competent player at that point does not want to lose 2 scum that early .
Anyway. I am not convinced by your WIFOM arguments for obvious reasons. I would ask why would town Kush set WIFOM bombs at me with the express aim of disabling my ability to read him.? Why would he troll and crap up the thread.? Why would he tunnel Viscera Eyes, and none of the players similar to him, as his entire scumhunting contribution this game?
Those are all questions that need to be answered, and I think both you and I know that WIFOMing about what marv would/wouldn't do to make a read on someone is just plain silly.
My wifom bombs didn't permanently disable a read of me. Look at my fucking filter, instead of constantly saying that.
Why would I do it as town?? BECAUSE I WAS BUTTHURT how can you not understand this? No I'm not always 100% super serious scumhunt, you should know this.
Yeah Keirathi's defense is pretty wifom. But the idea that Marv defended me so that makes me scum, that is also WIFOM. Your case on me is total wifom.
My case on you has some WIFOM but is far from pure WIFOM. You are aware of your meta so it is useless in making a read on you. And it is funny that your only defense is that you are not playing to your scum meta. Or is there something else that you are trying to achieve by directing me to your filter as your defense.
My defense has nothing to do with meta. I'm saying YOUR defense has everything to do with meta so you should read my filter because I think it paints me really green without any consideration of meta.
Everyone is aware of their own meta. Not all reads are based on meta LOL
Except you have obviously decided to do something about it this game.
