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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 08:41 GMT
#1855
On October 09 2012 17:37 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 17:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 09 2012 17:24 kushm4sta wrote:
On October 09 2012 17:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 09 2012 15:32 Keirathi wrote:
On October 09 2012 15:03 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 09 2012 14:50 Keirathi wrote:
@VE:

Why was marv so willing to bus Node on day1, but spent time hard defending kush? I certainly don't think its impossible, but that's a pretty extreme dichotomy.


WIFOM. Man. WIFOM.

Yea, its WIFOM.

But I've been thinking about kush a lot, and VE jumping in and voting for him made me start thinking about it.

Here's my current train of thought (and yes, before you say it, its still WIFOM, but I believe it actually makes some sense). Kush comes under pretty heavy pressure day 1, and marv immediately jumps in to defend him pretty damn hard. Also, kush is the kind of player that's always an easy lynch, so as scum he would at some point be a liability to a scum marv that plans to survive until the end game (and yes, that is always marv's goal. He prides himself of being "unlynchable").

So, lets say it gets to that point and Kush flips scum. Now, because of marv's hard defense, marv looks pretty damn bad. Say what you want about being WIFOM, but scum marv almost never does things that make him look bad. Go read basically any scum game that he has ever played. He busses players that will be a liability to him surviving, and otherwise distances himself from his teammates.

So, the only way for marv not to look bad for hard-defending scum Kush is for him to plan for Kush to never get flipped. And I'm just not sure even marv is capable of that.

Which leads me to the conclusion that either 1) kush is town, or 2) marv planned to have a "change of heart" and bus kush at some point. Based on marv's past games as scum, I think (1) is more likely than (2).


Man Keir. You know this is WIFOM and near useless. Even if Kush flipped this exact argument could keep marv out of hot water.

The way I see it. Is that both node and Kush were targets early and any competent player at that point does not want to lose 2 scum that early .

Anyway. I am not convinced by your WIFOM arguments for obvious reasons. I would ask why would town Kush set WIFOM bombs at me with the express aim of disabling my ability to read him.? Why would he troll and crap up the thread.? Why would he tunnel Viscera Eyes, and none of the players similar to him, as his entire scumhunting contribution this game?

Those are all questions that need to be answered, and I think both you and I know that WIFOMing about what marv would/wouldn't do to make a read on someone is just plain silly.

My wifom bombs didn't permanently disable a read of me. Look at my fucking filter, instead of constantly saying that.
Why would I do it as town?? BECAUSE I WAS BUTTHURT how can you not understand this? No I'm not always 100% super serious scumhunt, you should know this.
Yeah Keirathi's defense is pretty wifom. But the idea that Marv defended me so that makes me scum, that is also WIFOM. Your case on me is total wifom.


My case on you has some WIFOM but is far from pure WIFOM. You are aware of your meta so it is useless in making a read on you. And it is funny that your only defense is that you are not playing to your scum meta. Or is there something else that you are trying to achieve by directing me to your filter as your defense.


My defense has nothing to do with meta. I'm saying YOUR defense has everything to do with meta so you should read my filter because I think it paints me really green without any consideration of meta.
Show nested quote +
You are aware of your meta so it is useless in making a read on you

Everyone is aware of their own meta. Not all reads are based on meta LOL


Except you have obviously decided to do something about it this game.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 08:43 GMT
#1856
Also. Your filter doesn't turn you into some obvious townie. I have read your filter. It is filled with the same useless junk as always. Except now your slips and scum traits have all this heavy WIFOM that you were so kind to attach. So now I want you gone. Plain and simple.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 08:46 GMT
#1857
And it is very odd that you are just defending yourself and not OMGUSING like crazy right now. Which is what you usually do regardless of alignment. Add to that really good analysis out of nowhere. I could easily see you being coached this game.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 09:02 GMT
#1860
On October 09 2012 17:56 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 17:46 DarthPunk wrote:
And it is very odd that you are just defending yourself and not OMGUSING like crazy right now. Which is what you usually do regardless of alignment. Add to that really good analysis out of nowhere. I could easily see you being coached this game.

So anything I do, play like shit or try to play good, makes you more suspicious of me.
Here's some true omgus for you:
+ Show Spoiler +
I used to think you were good when you caught me d1. Now I realize that you just got lucky, and actually you are bad.
I suspected your extreme badness when all your reads were dead wrong after you lynched me in the newbie game. However now your badness is confirmed.
vote darthpenguin confirmed baddie


Or I am good. And you are scum. <3
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 11:12 GMT
#1862
On October 09 2012 18:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Okey, Time to get to work with this thread.


Well?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 11:12 GMT
#1863
EBWOP. It's been two hours since you popped in hear and nothing.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 23:27 GMT
#1975
I Fucking knew it.

##Vote: Kushm4sta
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 23:28 GMT
#1976
On October 10 2012 08:20 kushm4sta wrote:
I bet it was fucking dp's retarded suspicion that got me framed


LOL> Retarded suspicion? and you are scum. GG again kush.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 23:36 GMT
#1980
On October 10 2012 08:35 kushm4sta wrote:
gg dp. If I flip town will you admit that you are bad? because that would almost make it worth it.


LOL. So bad I caught you twice in a row. You are not flipping town. Obviously.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 23:41 GMT
#1982
On October 10 2012 08:39 kushm4sta wrote:
dp this is important: if I flip town are you bad?


You aren't flipping town kush.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 23:43 GMT
#1984
On October 10 2012 08:42 kushm4sta wrote:
obviously I'm not flipping town apparently so you don't have to worry about entering this agreement with me dp.
if I flip town you are bad and I'm better than you ok?


I know what you are trying to do. I did it in LVII at MYLO/LYLO. It's not going to work so die quietly plz.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 23:45 GMT
#1986
On October 10 2012 08:44 Coagulation wrote:
im cool with that.

If kush flips town darth is a moron

If kush flips scum kush is a moron

good?


Addendum: Regardless Coag is a moron.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 09 2012 23:47 GMT
#1991
On October 10 2012 08:45 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 08:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 10 2012 08:42 kushm4sta wrote:
obviously I'm not flipping town apparently so you don't have to worry about entering this agreement with me dp.
if I flip town you are bad and I'm better than you ok?


I know what you are trying to do. I did it in LVII at MYLO/LYLO. It's not going to work so die quietly plz.


cool your so smart and experienced and awesome. why not agree to my terms though? is it because you know I'm town? if you are certain I'm scum you should have no provlem agreeing to my terms.

If you will shut up I will agree. But it is not going to matter because you aren't flipping town. All you are trying to do is sow the seeds of doubt in peoples mind. I did the same thing when I asked ShiaoPi for pics of his vomit when I flipped town in LVII.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 10 2012 03:48 GMT
#2009
Good luck trying to get Shiao Pi to actually be active buddy.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 10 2012 03:50 GMT
#2010
On October 10 2012 10:58 kushm4sta wrote:
theres still time to change the bandwagon to sloosh.. anyone?? no one thinks i was framed or VE was lying?


Why are you trying to change the bandwagon onto sloosh? You listed Z - Boson as your number one scum read. Surely you should be pushing him to get lynched.

Or do you just not care as long as it isn't you?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 10 2012 04:26 GMT
#2020
On October 10 2012 13:22 iamperfection wrote:
kush what role are you. this is not a trick question just answer it.

He already claimed VT.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 10 2012 04:27 GMT
#2023
On October 10 2012 13:26 Z-BosoN wrote:
Now this is also quite interesting. Sloosh, see what I mean?
first off, kush is not playing as he was in his last scum game. He's a lot less WIFOMY and helpful in his posts. I don't know if he learned how to play properly when being attacked or not, but I see the possibility of him coming up as town.
Also, VE took in that idea way too fast. Also, his tone in his last post is much different than in his last posts. This seems calm and peaceful while everything else in his filter is snark and arrogant:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Kush

I hadn't considered the possibility that you could be framed. None of the roles really jumps out at me as framer - maybe that's what Coroner does. I don't know. I don't care. It came up red. We'll deal with the implications of any flip other than red if we come to it. If you're town think of this as your way of helping town figure out who's scum. I'm not lying, but I concede that there's a slim chance of you flipping town.

@Town
I didn't want to claim, I claimed because I didn't think given my activity that I could get a lynch on Kush without it and town is fixating on this BC thing which I feel is a bad idea. No offense BC, but the question of your alignment can wait until we're out of red to kill. That's my opinion anyway.

Personally I find it VERY unlikely that someone would frame kush over other people in this game. And yet, I think we have a fair possibility of kush coming up as town.
This line of thinking here will have to wait until kush dies, of course, but I have a weird feeling kush might pop up as town. Both kush's meta and VE's "serene" attitude towards the possibility of him being framed are fair indicators of this.
I could be wrong, of course. Let's wait some 25 hours.


Not Wifomy? Have you read the same game that I have? Let me get something for you.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 10 2012 04:28 GMT
#2024
On October 06 2012 01:35 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:08 ToutEstChaos wrote:
Actually, why are you asking him if you already know the answer AND think that doing so is something that scum would love? Why are you even thinking about scum loving or not loving things, or talking about how FoSes will excuse you from getting shot? Getting shot during an early night (sans roleclaim) is probably the highest honor you can claim as a townie.

IGMEOY, kushm4sta.


The whole Night Kill thing is part of his scum meta and he knows it. Furthermore. He he knows I know it. I caught him caught day one last game partially for an identical post. To be honest I feel that he is engaging me in a WIFOM BOMB really hardcore.


Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:27 kushm4sta wrote:
also ty kreb your suspicion saves me from nk


After kreb calls him not townie. He does something Which he KNOWS I know to be a particular tell for him from our previous game.

Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:53 kushm4sta wrote:
shh dont bring it up because then we will have to tell people about it


I call him out on it for this reason.
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:27 kushm4sta wrote:
also ty kreb your suspicion saves me from nk

WOW. ##FoS Kush



Then WIFOM's at me. Stating that he wants me to lead a bandwagon for this scum tell of his. Even though He KNOWS I know it is a tell.
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:47 kushm4sta wrote:
please lead the bandwagon dp please



I mean this is mind fucking me like crazy right now. But why would town Kreb be dropping WIFOM bombs on me?

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 10 2012 04:33 GMT
#2030
Kush was already fucking suspicious. He was already the number one scum read of several players including 2 confirmed town.

He WIFOM'd me and shat up the thread.

Then comes back with a red check via a cop claim that no sane scum would make.

And people still think he could be town?

Yes he could have been framed. But there is no way to even know if that role is in the game.

Add the check to all the other stuff. I find it highly unlikely that he will flip town.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 10 2012 04:36 GMT
#2033
On October 10 2012 13:30 kushm4sta wrote:
I get the sense that scum z-boson knows that town isn't realizing something so he hints at it to get town points.
That happened back when he doubted the existence of 3 medics (explained by bc third party or vt)
It just happened again here.
z-boson:
Show nested quote +
Regarding the VE claim
Right now, I find it's legit. I find it odd that he would waste an investigation on kush, of all people, but I find it even harder to believe that someone would bother framing him. Someone also said there were no longer any miller roles (correct me if I'm wrong), so this makes it a ton more likely that kush is scum.
The only other possibility is that this is a baller play from VE bussing his scum friend, but that's just... dumb.

So he brings up 2 problems with VE's claim.
1 why the fuck would VE investigate me when there were way better people to investigate?
2 why would the framer frame me instead of any of the more suspicious townies?
I think there is some weird role thing going on that we are missing.

And why is the only other possibility scum VE bussing his scum friend? Why can't scum VE be lying about everything to kill a townie?
If there is another private investigator I THINK you claim, just because I doubt there would be 2.


Scum VE is not lying to lynch you because we make the assumption that he isn't terrible at this game and that trading one for one. Especially for you, is bad play.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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