EPTOn October 07 2012 09:31 kushm4sta wrote:
hapa who is your top scumread? someone who is still in the game now
hapa who is your top scumread? someone who is still in the game now
LoL. Why would you even bother asking Hapa anything?
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LoL. Why would you even bother asking Hapa anything? | ||
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On October 07 2012 09:36 Kreb wrote: Well, I did look into it. Read it and reread it, it was mostly a case built on "Shiao is a good player, this case was below his standard, it looks scummy". First I dont know enough of Shiao to really agree on the case itself. But even if the case was 100% true, the tell itself isnt strong at all. If I'd be interested enough I could probably find similarly strong cases on 5 or 10 other people in here who has made weaker than usual cases/strong than usual cases/less than usual cases/more than usual cases/responded different to cases/etc. If I'd be suspicious of Shiao because of that I'd be suspicious of 15ppl here, which kinda defeats the purpose of the suspicion. Stuff like that does in no way build a solid case in itself unless its much stronger than this. It is worth taking into account if a person does other scummy things, but I've seen nothing scummy (well, not more than anyone else anyway) of Shiao apart from that. Granted I havent looked too much into it due how uninteresting the game is with the obvious lynches, but thats my current feeling anyway. Yeah, the bolded is particularly true. I get where you are coming from. | ||
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On October 07 2012 09:39 kushm4sta wrote: Beacuse if I was in hapa's shoes I would have a hard time answering that question, deciding if i should give a scum or town. I'm glad you actually clarified your case on me because I want everyone to see how dumb it is. It in itself is incredibly WIFOM. I could see the motivations for town or scum behind it. You could see town motivation for WIFOM bombing me? For shitting up/ derailing the thread? and causing yourself to become far more difficult to read? | ||
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Like it seriously boggles the mind that you keep defending keir. EVEN KEIR THINKS SO. | ||
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Shiao Pi Mattchew BloodyC0bbler These are experienced players that have had almost zero thread presence since I replaced in to the game. I mean I think Kush is scummy as shit. But at least he is making a contribution and posting. Even if his posts are crap. They exist and he has thread presence. | ||
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How about you do some scum hunting? Be the annoying townie that caught both scum at LYLO and would not be swayed by me flaming you for two days straight. I think you are scum. Your meta is different. Your cases lacked scum hunting and did not feel genuine. The case on you by toutestchaos was really strong. You clearly don't give a shit about town. If this is your town play. I really wish you played like this in LVII, as it would have made our win far, far easier. | ||
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On October 07 2012 17:29 ShiaoPi wrote: DP, you know my meta, I am a horribly bad townie in the first couple of cycles, always lurking around and stuff, now I tried to make an effort earlier with the fuba-case (granted not very good) and I get called out for that shizzle. Seeing all of you call for my death because of "meta" is so fucking ridiculous. If you want to meta-analyse me then do it properly by only comparing the bigger games (LVI, LVII) and the first cycles in there, see any difference? I am playing like I always do in large games..... LVII was a whole different matter DP, you know that just as well as I do, the situations are not even remotely comparable. The case of our french dude was weak, I already answered it. I do give a shit about town, I just get lazy since we got 2 cycles of 100%-red lynches now already. The difference is that you made a weak case. And in your town meta you do not make weak cases. YOu make no cases and then you catch 2 scum at LYLO. That is just my experience though. However. Touestchaos' case was good and he clearly knows your meta better than I do. He was also clearly a better player than me. He also DIED after calling both yourself and kush out. I can Understand | ||
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I can understand about being bored as shit with the Paramedic thing. But if you don;t get your shit together along with keir and others. I will come for you. | ||
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On October 07 2012 17:37 ShiaoPi wrote: look at LVI, made weak cases on bke and hyaach as well... Do meta properly if you do so, seriously. Your thoughts about toutestchaos dying after fingering me and kush is wifom and you know it. Yes it is WIFOM but I feel it is worth considering. I will look over your filter from LVI but it is going to take me a while. | ||
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On October 07 2012 19:30 Promethelax wrote: Working on that vote count I remembered that Talis was playing. Any of you remember I can't believe its not themed? Talis played such a lurky disinterested scum game that I suggested a (pretty dumb) change in set up. His response was: Vets this game: I hate you all. I replaced talis. He is no longer playing. So I don't know what the point of this post is. | ||
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Either he is improving in his play. or he is being coached in the QT. I find both plausible at this point and certainly don;t want to lynch him for sound analysis. That being said. I do want to lynch him for All the reasons I have already brought up. | ||
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On October 07 2012 21:50 kushm4sta wrote: @dp all your reasons are 1 me fucking with you and 2 me fucking with you And very little scum hunting in that very large filter of yours. | ||
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I don't see any reason not to believe BC's Vet claim. If he is a KP 3rd party it will son become obvious and then we lynch him. If he has no KP why do we care? It will be obvious later if he is lying. I think the claim was fairly pointless and looks scummy as fuck. I mean come on. Oh I have a watcher claim. I caught scum but only tell you after that scum already flips. and nothing else besides that. It's a really easy claim to fake as scum. and there is not a rock solid breadcrumb to back it up. | ||
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I also agree that it is strange for hapa to have pushed risk so hard if he was town. I know this is somewhat WIFOM. But I don't see the point of Immediately pushing your scum buddy after you lose marv. I feel Like VE fits into that whole group of scummy/lurking vets. BC Matt Sloosh VE etc. They can't all be scum. But out of that group I think Matt and Sloosh look the worst. Also Shiao Pi continues to lurk so I don;t know wtf is up with him. Yeah his meta has him sort of inactive. But not as badly as this game. It could be a by product of the boring past cycles. But I would be watching him. | ||
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On October 09 2012 13:19 Keirathi wrote: Another thing I want to note about Third Party in this game. There are 2 roles in the OP that could thematically fit as "Third Party". Hitman could be SK-esque (or more likely a mafia role), and Paranoid Arsonist. I don't exactly know what a "paranoid" Arsonist does, but typically arsonists place gas on one target per night, and then on any night after they've put gas on people, they can choose to light them all. And that would account for why we've had a relatively low amount of KP every night. MAYBE Paranoid means that he is bulletproof. It would make some amount of sense thematically. But arsonist is already a pretty powerful role (albeit extremely risky with deciding how long to prolong using your kills), and I've never seen a bulletproof variation of one. Only having to worry about being lynched would probably be OP as hell. I think we should assume balance in this setup very cautiously. Having multiple paramedics is pretty imbalanced In my opinion. So I think it is plausible to have a bulletproof Arsonist. Hapa was an enforcer and I see no reason to not believe MMToss' claim. So scum did try to kill BC night one. And it failed. From what I see it is equally plausible for him to be a Vet as it is for him to be 3rd party. and thus I see no need to lynch him right now. Although based on his play and the differences between LVII and this game I would lean 3rd party. But no way near certain enough to lynch him. I would rather lynch Kushm4sta right now. | ||
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On October 09 2012 13:59 Keirathi wrote: Well, if he is Bulletproof Arsonist, it is 100% in our best interest to kill him right now. Because that would mean that tomorrow, up to 3 extra people would blow up with the day post (assuming everyone he has "primed" hasn't already been NK'd by mafia or lynched). Unless you think he is likely to hit a scum in those 3 people. Do you think it is worth lynching someone who has no thread presence and is say 55% likely to flip arsonist? That is what it comes down to in my mind. I think it is definitely an option. But I would also like to have the chance to actually pressure people this cycle with the threat of a lynch. I have made several cases but everything feels so impotent with no chance of them getting voted. I do think that having an arsonist hit several townies along with a couple of night kills could be disastrous and blow our lead. It is a conundrum. And one I am having trouble solving. | ||
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On October 09 2012 14:50 Keirathi wrote: @VE: Why was marv so willing to bus Node on day1, but spent time hard defending kush? I certainly don't think its impossible, but that's a pretty extreme dichotomy. WIFOM. Man. WIFOM. | ||
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On October 09 2012 15:32 Keirathi wrote: Yea, its WIFOM. But I've been thinking about kush a lot, and VE jumping in and voting for him made me start thinking about it. Here's my current train of thought (and yes, before you say it, its still WIFOM, but I believe it actually makes some sense). Kush comes under pretty heavy pressure day 1, and marv immediately jumps in to defend him pretty damn hard. Also, kush is the kind of player that's always an easy lynch, so as scum he would at some point be a liability to a scum marv that plans to survive until the end game (and yes, that is always marv's goal. He prides himself of being "unlynchable"). So, lets say it gets to that point and Kush flips scum. Now, because of marv's hard defense, marv looks pretty damn bad. Say what you want about being WIFOM, but scum marv almost never does things that make him look bad. Go read basically any scum game that he has ever played. He busses players that will be a liability to him surviving, and otherwise distances himself from his teammates. So, the only way for marv not to look bad for hard-defending scum Kush is for him to plan for Kush to never get flipped. And I'm just not sure even marv is capable of that. Which leads me to the conclusion that either 1) kush is town, or 2) marv planned to have a "change of heart" and bus kush at some point. Based on marv's past games as scum, I think (1) is more likely than (2). Man Keir. You know this is WIFOM and near useless. Even if Kush flipped this exact argument could keep marv out of hot water. The way I see it. Is that both node and Kush were targets early and any competent player at that point does not want to lose 2 scum that early . Anyway. I am not convinced by your WIFOM arguments for obvious reasons. I would ask why would town Kush set WIFOM bombs at me with the express aim of disabling my ability to read him.? Why would he troll and crap up the thread.? Why would he tunnel Viscera Eyes, and none of the players similar to him, as his entire scumhunting contribution this game? Those are all questions that need to be answered, and I think both you and I know that WIFOMing about what marv would/wouldn't do to make a read on someone is just plain silly. | ||
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On October 09 2012 17:20 kushm4sta wrote: DP and VE have me voted.. seriously. I realized I'm biased but from my perspective I seem pretty damn green. Marv defending me means nothing. If that is your primary reasons for voting me then that is weak and you know it. DP your primary reason for voting me is that I fucked with you? You don't see how that is something a town or scum kush could have done? If anything it's a null tell. Look at my play, if you can bear to drudge through my filter. @VE your activity has been really bad and if you are town I doubt you put much thought into this vote. Why would you vote for an outlier candidate instead of a popular one? You haven't done of the legwork to make a case against me and convince others. You Employed WIFOM against me in order to mask your scum slips and meta. By intentionally making scum slips and employing your scum meta. It is the scummiest thing that has happened in this thread. And bvy god you should have been lynched for it days ago. It even caused ToutEstChaos to change his mind and make you his number one scum read. A confirmed town thinks you were the most likely scum. You shat all over the thread. You have barely scum hunted despite a lengthy filter. You have proven that you are aware of your meta so that is now useless. You employed Wifom to mask your scumslips and scum meta. Marv defended you before he was caught. Hapa defended you before he was caught. As soon as you became toutEstchaos' number one scum read he died. The only argument in your favor comes from a suspicious player in his own right. And is comprised of pure WIFOM and speculation. I have not voted for you so now you are lying or not reading. And the case against you is far more than you 'fucking with me' which in itself is far to simplistic an explanation. | ||
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On October 09 2012 17:24 kushm4sta wrote: My wifom bombs didn't permanently disable a read of me. Look at my fucking filter, instead of constantly saying that. Why would I do it as town?? BECAUSE I WAS BUTTHURT how can you not understand this? No I'm not always 100% super serious scumhunt, you should know this. Yeah Keirathi's defense is pretty wifom. But the idea that Marv defended me so that makes me scum, that is also WIFOM. Your case on me is total wifom. My case on you has some WIFOM but is far from pure WIFOM. You are aware of your meta so it is useless in making a read on you. And it is funny that your only defense is that you are not playing to your scum meta. Or is there something else that you are trying to achieve by directing me to your filter as your defense. | ||
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